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Strike For The South
10-07-2009, 15:47
Is very good but exspensive.
I lamented this yesterday at the gorcery store.
I need more money so I can buy bison.
Come to think of it, it's really not to exspensive. I'm sure I could go to someones farm and buy a live one of them.
I could keep it in the apartment.
But then it's going to poop everywhere.
How am I supposed to clean that?
I'm not sure my landlord would like that.
I'll just get a job.
Does anyone else here like bison?
Aemilius Paulus
10-07-2009, 15:52
Well, at least, congrats for not saying "buffalo"...
Strike For The South
10-07-2009, 15:53
Well, at least, congrats for not saying "buffalo"...
Do I look like an idoit? :smash:
Sounds manly. Like croc meat. Or boxing.
Bison is great. My wife and I buy it regularly, both for burgers and meatballs. It's leaner than most beef, so it's healthier, plus it has a very rich flavor that enhances pretty much any dish. While there are plenty of bison-specific recipes, you don't need them. Take any dish that uses ground beef, and substitute in ground bison. It's better every time.
Bison is great. My wife and I buy it regularly, both for burgers and meatballs. It's leaner than most beef, so it's healthier, plus it has a very rich flavor that enhances pretty much any dish. While there are plenty of bison-specific recipes, you don't need them. Take any dish that uses ground beef, and substitute in ground bison. It's better every time.
Seconded.
Bison meat tastes great and it's healthier :2thumbsup:
A Very Super Market
10-07-2009, 16:14
If this catches on, they could start making bison ranches. But then again, with capitalism, one would eventually swallow all the others up and let the bison roam free across the plains.
*shudder
seireikhaan
10-07-2009, 16:21
Ground bison is great. Just a plain bison burger was better than any regular beef patty burger I've had. Alas, I've only been privy to have the stuff a couple of times. :cry:
If this catches on, they could start making bison ranches.
They already have them. That's how they end up in the supermarket. There are numerous different brands in stores. This is the brand I buy, their ranch is just outside Baltimore:
http://www.gunpowderbison.com/
Sasaki Kojiro
10-07-2009, 16:24
The wings are the best part imo.
Togakure
10-07-2009, 16:30
I went to Kauai with a girlfriend from work and her sister and sister's husband. We went kayaking up the Hanalei River, and to my great surprise there were bison standing on a grassy bank bank along the riverside. Paul explained that there were several bison ranches on Kauai. This was back in the 80s.
Strike For The South
10-07-2009, 17:20
The wings are the best part imo.
:drummer:
Zradha Pahlavan
10-07-2009, 17:23
Bison meat is definitely better than beef. I just wish it didn't cost so much.
It's good stuff, just be sure not to cook it too long. Since it's leaner, it will dry out faster than regular beef.
Samurai Waki
10-07-2009, 18:24
Eh, it's not too expensive where I live, as long as you know a butcher that sells it (still hard to find it at a Grocery store, which is fine by me). I'm sure in the following years the price will drop (it's bigger than a cow, eat less than a cow, and gets sick a whole lot less often than a cow) ergo, if it does catch on, you'll probably be paying less for it, than beef.
Hosakawa Tito
10-07-2009, 18:25
I've had it once at a wild game barbeque. Very tasty and expensive.
But then it's going to poop everywhere.
How am I supposed to clean that?
I suggest a coal shovel & the bed of your pickup truck. Then offer to sell it as grade AAA bison fertilizer to the naive city folk to buy more bison, why I bet your landlord would even accept it for your rent payments...you could be a Bison Fertilizer Tycoon in no time, just don't eat all the profits. move over T. Boone Pickens there's a new sheriff in town
Aemilius Paulus
10-07-2009, 19:38
Bah, just get a hunting license and a rifle and start hunting like a real man, SFTS! Venison is a superb type of meat, lean, nutritious, (although sometimes a bit tough) and most importantly, it is free and plentiful. So repeat: go deer hunting.
Strike For The South
10-07-2009, 19:53
Bah, just get a hunting license and a rifle and start hunting like a real man, SFTS! Venison is a superb type of meat, lean, nutritious, (although sometimes a bit tough) and most importantly, it is free and plentiful. So repeat: go deer hunting.
It's not really plentiful since you can only shoot X amount. ~;) Venison is alright. But it's really only good when ground into suasge or made in to jerky.
Aemilius Paulus
10-07-2009, 20:07
It's not really plentiful since you can only shoot X amount. ~;) Venison is alright. But it's really only good when ground into suasge or made in to jerky.
Bah, I did not know you had such fickle tastes :clown:. No but really, I have often eaten venison and found nothing wrong with it. Sure, it is not as tender most of the time, but I did not care for it. What matters is that it is edible and reasonably delectable.
Also, here in Florida and Alabama limits on deer-kills do not seem to present, or at least are quite high. Deer are major pests in Florida - hunting is highly encouraged.
Strike For The South
10-07-2009, 20:11
Bah, I did not know you had such fickle tastes :clown:. No but really, I have often eaten venison and found nothing wrong with it. Sure, it is not as tender most of the time, but I did not care for it. What matters is that it is edible and reasonably delectable.
Also, here in Florida and Alabama limits on deer-kills do not seem to present, or at least are quite high. Deer are major pests in Florida - hunting is highly encouraged.
Have you ever tried gator? Now that's some good eats!
Deer are major pests in Texas too. At last count there were something like 4.5 million white tails and 1 million mule deer :eek:
Louis VI the Fat
10-07-2009, 22:29
Is very good but exspensive.
I lamented this yesterday at the gorcery store.
I need more money so I can buy bison.
Come to think of it, it's really not to exspensive. I'm sure I could go to someones farm and buy a live one of them.
I could keep it in the apartment.
But then it's going to poop everywhere.You bloody great wuss. :wall:
Has your worship for all things French stripped you of your last vestige of Texasness?
Get in yer pick'emup. Drive up to Dakota. Find a herd. Wrestle the largest bull to the ground. This will make the herd now obey you. They'll follow you home to Texas. It's legal since they are now your pets. Once in Texas, you can do as you please with them. Rip off their front legs and fry 'em like chicken wings*. Have six of them while watching the game. Give what's left of the beasts to the local poor.
*But don't cook it yourself. Get your ho..ho..whatstheword...ah, 'housemate', to cook 'em for you.
Samurai Waki
10-07-2009, 22:32
Bah, I did not know you had such fickle tastes :clown:. No but really, I have often eaten venison and found nothing wrong with it. Sure, it is not as tender most of the time, but I did not care for it. What matters is that it is edible and reasonably delectable.
It's really how you cook venison, smoked or slow roasted, and it can be quite tender (though never like Pork or Beef can be). There is definitely parts to keep for actual cooking, and other parts that would be better off in a sausage type form (but I curse the idea of ever degrading Venison to the lowly task of 'burger form). Loins, shoulder, saddle and haunch are best for steaks or a roast, the rest can be delegated to sausage or jerky.
Megas Methuselah
10-07-2009, 22:49
I had some a bison burger a long time ago that my mom bought at some local meat store. I can't really remember the price, but I remember that it was expensive. Anyways:
plus it has a very rich flavor that enhances pretty much any dish.
:yes:
Azathoth
10-07-2009, 23:11
What's wrong with good old-fashioned processed chicken and turkey?
I love bison meat. Seriously, the best burgers and the best steaks I've ever had were bison. It almost overtakes pork as my favorite meat -- that's how good it is!
Venison is alright. But it's really only good when ground into suasge or made in to jerky.
Agreed. Deer jerky remains the best jerky I've ever tasted, and venison sausage is always a treat. Sadly, I don't hunt, and so I remain dependent on the generosity (or at least availability) of those who do.
Hosakawa Tito
10-08-2009, 09:33
It's really how you cook venison, smoked or slow roasted, and it can be quite tender (though never like Pork or Beef can be). There is definitely parts to keep for actual cooking, and other parts that would be better off in a sausage type form (but I curse the idea of ever degrading Venison to the lowly task of 'burger form). Loins, shoulder, saddle and haunch are best for steaks or a roast, the rest can be delegated to sausage or jerky.
The backstrap is best. The most important thing to do with venison is trim off all the fat, and I mean every scrap. Unlike beef or pork, venison fat tastes absolutely vile, gamey and sticks to your mouth like glue. Slow cooked in a crock-pot / dutch oven or wrapped in foil and grilled is how I usually prepare mine. Pan fried is okay but you have to be careful or it'll be so tough you can resole your boots with it. It's very lean so use butter or bacon drippings...dang it now I'm hungry.
Sadly, I don't hunt, and so I remain dependent on the generosity (or at least availability) of those who do.
There's always fresh roadkill, Martok. Hmmm, tenderized too.:yes:
Samurai Waki
10-08-2009, 11:23
The backstrap is best. The most important thing to do with venison is trim off all the fat, and I mean every scrap. Unlike beef or pork, venison fat tastes absolutely vile, gamey and sticks to your mouth like glue. Slow cooked in a crock-pot / dutch oven or wrapped in foil and grilled is how I usually prepare mine. Pan fried is okay but you have to be careful or it'll be so tough you can resole your boots with it. It's very lean so use butter or bacon drippings...dang it now I'm hungry.
Yes, think it's kind of an assumption around here, if you get your deer processed by a butcher, you'll want to save the backstraps. Any animal built for speed, and you can rest assured the fat ain't gonna taste like pig or cow, mostly because of the amino acid buildup from it's comparatively vigorous lifestyle (which also makes the meat taste "gamey") I've only ever had a deer roast in a dutch oven once, and man o' man, I could go for some about now, or anytime. I've made the mistake of pan frying some shoulder cutlets before, using just olive oil and salt, talk about something you could quite literally cut your teeth with, it was like trying to eat a football.
Aemilius Paulus
10-08-2009, 20:01
The most important thing to do with venison is trim off all the fat, and I mean every scrap. Unlike beef or pork, venison fat tastes absolutely vile, gamey and sticks to your mouth like glue.
You tell me... Venison fat is fine compared to dog fat. Dog fat is absolutely despicable and tastes revolting, as it is exceedingly bitter. :no:
Do not ask me how I know this...
Samurai Waki
10-08-2009, 22:21
You tell me... Venison fat is fine compared to dog fat. Dog fat is absolutely despicable and tastes revolting, as it is exceedingly bitter. :no:
I wouldn't know about dog fat, but if it tastes as bad as Mountain Lion, you can count me out.
Yes, I've eaten Mountain Lion
Megas Methuselah
10-09-2009, 02:20
Well, if those tastes anything like rat fat...
NAH, I'm just screwin with ya! :laugh4:
Hosakawa Tito
10-09-2009, 10:36
You tell me... Venison fat is fine compared to dog fat. Dog fat is absolutely despicable and tastes revolting, as it is exceedingly bitter. :no:
I wouldn't know about dog fat, but if it tastes as bad as Mountain Lion, you can count me out.
Well, if those tastes anything like rat fat...
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Err...I'm gonna take all y'alls word for it. Ask Andrew....
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/hoppy84/andrewzimmern.jpg
Samurai Waki
10-09-2009, 11:04
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Err...I'm gonna take all y'alls word for it. Ask Andrew....
I just have a problem with one-uppery, no matter the topic :shame: I think by now I should have been flogged for it.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-09-2009, 11:10
It's not really plentiful since you can only shoot X amount. ~;) Venison is alright. But it's really only good when ground into suasge or made in to jerky.
It needs to be properly killed (headshot/heartshot) and well hung, by which I do not mean rotten. If the dear panics and bolts the meat will be ruined. It is essentially to stalk and kill quietly. Providing you can do that, and it's not easy, it is very good meat.
Wild boar only tastes good when hunted down with a spear. (Good times in Fiji)
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-09-2009, 21:47
Wild boar only tastes good when hunted down with a spear. (Good times in Fiji)
Adding Fiji to my travel list. Which should also answer SFTS's question.
Strike For The South
10-09-2009, 21:55
Adding Fiji to my travel list. Which should also answer SFTS's question.
Boar hunting in Fiji?
My God man, Do it in Texas.
The plughole is the best bit of a bison.
I wouldn't know about dog fat, but if it tastes as bad as Mountain Lion, you can count me out.
Yes, I've eaten Mountain Lion
I've eaten whale meat. Tastes like chewy smoked salmon.
Also, being a Brit, actual Bison meat is impossible to get in Europe, since Europeans often care more about animals than people (The same idiots who protest against GM Food/Vivisection etc.), and since bison aren't cows, it's morally wrong to eat them. However, I have tried it, only to find that it was in fact delicious.
Ask Andrew....
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/hoppy84/andrewzimmern.jpg
GAH!! :fainting:
You have got to start placing spoiler tags around spider pictures, people! Are you trying to give me a heart attack??
Samurai Waki
10-11-2009, 08:58
I have a personal code to always refuse to eat Insects, Arachnids, and Varmints of any and all variety, even if I was in an absolute desperate situation.
Now having that said, the Mountain Lion, that I had mention earlier, is one of the few species left on earth that are known to actively carry bubonic plague, didn't know that until AFTER I ate it. :sick:
Louis VI the Fat
10-11-2009, 15:34
Also, being a Brit, actual Bison meat is impossible to get in Europe, since Europeans often care more about animals than people (The same idiots who protest against GM Food/Vivisection etc.), and since bison aren't cows, it's morally wrong to eat them. However, I have tried it, only to find that it was in fact delicious.Bison meat is eaten in Europe. So much so of it, rather, that by the early 20th century the wisent (European bison) was extinct. (It's them, that the famous Viking horns were made of. This practise became impossible during the middle ages after the wisent was driven to extinction in West and Northern Europe, because the tough Vikings naturally paid no heed to idiots who cared more for animals)
A few individual wisent remained in zoo's. From these, the population has been bred again. They are currently being reintroduced to nature reserves. Every single living European bison is named and monitored by scientists, desperatly trying to convince people not to hunt and eat them.
It is remarkably similar to what happened with the American bison. Nearly hunted to extinction too. And then slowly reintroduced. But whereas the American herds are large and thriving again, in Europe still only a few small herds in tiny reserves exist.
I have a personal code to always refuse to eat Insects, Arachnids, and Varmints of any and all variety, even if I was in an absolute desperate situation.
do you eat shrimp. Insects taste really great, the squirming ones are a bit too much but as long as it's fried gimme
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-11-2009, 17:07
Bison meat is eaten in Europe. So much so of it, rather, that by the early 20th century the wisent (European bison) was extinct. (It's them, that the famous Viking horns were made of.
No it wasn't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisent)
Louis VI the Fat
10-11-2009, 19:00
No it wasn't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisent)Yes it was. In fact, your wiki link confirms everything I said?
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-11-2009, 21:04
No it wasn't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisent)
Of course it was, there's no reason to kill something that big if you aren't going to have a slap up feast afterwards to celebrate surviving.
Although, I'd like to point out that all those horns Loius mentioned were for drinking, not wearing.
Megas Methuselah
10-11-2009, 21:05
Yes it was. In fact, your wiki link confirms everything I said?
Your post was misworded a bit. You stated they were "extinct," which means they don't exist anymore. But I don't think you meant it that way because you went on to say how they precariously live today.
I believe you meant to say "endangered," not "extinct." :yes:
do you eat shrimp.
I do, and I love calimari, it is seafood in sweet form.
Louis VI the Fat
10-11-2009, 21:19
Ah, now I get it. Sorry, it should've read 'extinct in the wild'. (Can this not be inferred from 'by the early 20th century the wisent was extinct. [...] A few individual wisent remained in zoo's.'?)
Twelve animals remained in captivity, form which all modern wisent have been bred. Worse, all living wisent stem from only two males. Being this inbred, there are health problems, plus there always looms the danger of a serious disease.
/anyway.
The point is that usually the 'idiots who put animals before people' are right. If it wasn't for them, there'd be no bison left to eat in the first place.
Not that anything will change. Fish stocks, rainforests, critically endagered species - the idiots can beg and plead as much as they want, their plunder and shortsighted destruction wil carry on, lest we be 'putting animals before people'.
Aemilius Paulus
10-11-2009, 21:23
Every former Soviet has heard of Belovezhskaya Pushcha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belovezhskaya_Pushcha) of Belarus and Poland (a nature preserve that also coincidentally hosted the meeting that decided the dissolution of USSR). It is quite well-known in CIS nations. Its greatest claim to fame is its uniqueness as the only place in Europe where wisents, or zubri as we call them, survived since prehistory in a natural, primaeval habitat.
Samurai Waki
10-11-2009, 21:25
do you eat shrimp. Insects taste really great, the squirming ones are a bit too much but as long as it's fried gimme
Not big on shellfish. :shrug:
Louis VI the Fat
10-11-2009, 21:43
Every former Soviet has heard of Belovezhskaya Pushcha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belovezhskaya_Pushcha) of Belarus and Poland (a nature preserve that also coincidentally hosted the meeting that decided the dissolution of USSR). It is quite well-known in CIS nations. Its greatest claim to fame is its uniqueness as the only place in Europe where wisents, or zubri as we call them, survived since prehistory in a natural, primaeval habitat.It is indeed the last remaining bit of Europe's primeval forest - the natural habitat of most of Europe.
However, the link says the last wild wisent was shot here in 1919. Wisent were later re-introduced here from the few remaining individuals remaining in zoo's.
Aemilius Paulus
10-11-2009, 23:14
However, the link says the last wild wisent was shot here in 1919. Wisent were later re-introduced here from the few remaining individuals remaining in zoo's.
Huh? That is not the story I heard... I remember reading that the population was shrinking, so that is why they had to import non-wild specimen to replenish the depleted stocks.
Bison meat is eaten in Europe. So much so of it, rather, that by the early 20th century the wisent (European bison) was extinct. (It's them, that the famous Viking horns were made of. This practise became impossible during the middle ages after the wisent was driven to extinction in West and Northern Europe, because the tough Vikings naturally paid no heed to idiots who cared more for animals)
A few individual wisent remained in zoo's. From these, the population has been bred again. They are currently being reintroduced to nature reserves. Every single living European bison is named and monitored by scientists, desperatly trying to convince people not to hunt and eat them.
It is remarkably similar to what happened with the American bison. Nearly hunted to extinction too. And then slowly reintroduced. But whereas the American herds are large and thriving again, in Europe still only a few small herds in tiny reserves exist.
Man, that sucks :no:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-11-2009, 23:58
Ah, now I get it. Sorry, it should've read 'extinct in the wild'. (Can this not be inferred from 'by the early 20th century the wisent was extinct. [...] A few individual wisent remained in zoo's.'?)
Wisent were reintroduced successfully into the wild, beginning in 1951. Białowieża Forest in Poland and Belarus is home to 800 wild wisent. They are also found in forest preserves in the Western Caucasus and Prioksko-Terrasny Nature Reserve in Russia.
Free-ranging herds are found in Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Latvia, Kyrgyzstan and, since 2005, in Moldova.
:book:
Aemilius Paulus
10-12-2009, 00:03
Free-ranging herds are found in Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Latvia, Kyrgyzstan and, since 2005, in Moldova.:book:
Hmmm, I have my doubts. I know for a fact some of those nations have re-introduced the American bison, and the Russian/Slavic term zubr (wisent) and bison (you guessed it right - bison) are often employed interchangeably.
EDIT: Hehe, check this out (http://social.moldova.org/news/the-bison-come-back-to-moldova-4123-eng.html). For one, it is an aurochs that is on the Moldovan gerb, or coat of arms. Secondly, wisents, bison and aurochs are most certainly not interchangeable as the author presents them as. Especially the aurochs, who are a quite distinct, although related species.
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 01:30
:book:By 'free-ranging herds', they mean the herds that have been bred from the twelve captive wisent that remained in 1919. They have been re-introduced into a few nature reserves.
(So says even your very link.)
As for the price, I picked up a pound of ground bison at the market over the weekend for bison meatballs. The price was $5.30 per pound, which works out to £3.42/€3.64 at current exchange rates. It is almost certainly much more expensive in Europe due to importing costs, but as you can see it's not that expensive on this side of the Pond.
Pannonian
10-13-2009, 17:13
It needs to be properly killed (headshot/heartshot) and well hung, by which I do not mean rotten.
Does size matter then? What about female deer?
If the dear panics and bolts the meat will be ruined.
Just reassure your partner the meat is good, so the old dear doesn't panic at the taste, and savours the taste rather than bolting it down.
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