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Are you Conservative or Liberal?
(By popular demand :sweatdrop:)
I am Conservative by far.
And apparently I can't spell Conservative X)
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-16-2009, 04:03
Define. I consider myself a conservative, but not a CDU-conservative, rather a free market and libertarian conservative, which actually aligns me more closely with the liberal FDP (though not by much).
Kadagar_AV
10-16-2009, 04:47
Isn't it kind of dumbed down to only have 2 options to explain ones political stand.
Also, he is talking about American politics as well.
Conservative - crazy insane christian warmongering zealots full of tax cuts no regulation and loves croynism and corperatism.
Liberal - Wallstreet suit who wants croynism and corperatism as well, but they want no regulation on drugs so they can get smoke a joint while doing stocks and shares.
Aemilius Paulus
10-16-2009, 04:54
Frack (BSG swearing is allowed, right?) I am not liberal - why did I choose that option :whip:. But neither am I conservative :wall:.
Meh, forget this...
You made the same thread twice, why?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=122479
Aemilius Paulus
10-16-2009, 05:11
You made the same thread twice, why?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=122479
Read the OP, he said by "popular demand". I think it was because of my post, which pointed out that everything in Europe is shifted to the left, so very few Europeans would rather agree with US Republican policies. Plus, GOP vs Dems is simply so America-centric. In the multi-national, rather diverse Backroom.
Liberal - Wallstreet suit who wants croynism and corperatism as well, but they want no regulation on drugs so they can get smoke a joint while doing stocks and shares.
No, that's libertarians. :juggle2:
AlexanderSextus
10-16-2009, 08:11
No, that's libertarians. :juggle2:
i am offended that you did not capitalize the L. Small l libertarians such as myself despise cronyism
The content of the term 'conservative' varies from country to country. Same with 'liberal'. Obviously I am not going to vote.
HoreTore
10-16-2009, 10:31
Socialist.
Or social-democrat, if you prefer...
Rhyfelwyr
10-16-2009, 11:23
I'm one of those people that might appear conservative if I filled in a multi-choice quiz today, but in fact my ideas would really be quite radical and reactionary for the society I live in... kind of like Hitler I guess. :book:
With the two choices presented I went with liberal(I rarely go for Gah, but maybe should have) but I agree it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if your country is already liberal and you want it to stay that way, that would make you a conservative and a liberal at the same time...
Meneldil
10-16-2009, 11:45
This topic doesn't make sense. I suggest you check EMFM's Political Leaning of Members. It's not perfect (as in very US-centric and simplistic) but I still can give you a broad overview of many members' political views.
No, that's libertarians. :juggle2:
No, that's Lolbertarians.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-16-2009, 12:14
Read the OP, he said by "popular demand". I think it was because of my post, which pointed out that everything in Europe is shifted to the left, so very few Europeans would rather agree with US Republican policies. Plus, GOP vs Dems is simply so America-centric. In the multi-national, rather diverse Backroom.
That's a rather crude way of looking at it. Europe is not "shifted to the left" any more than America is shifted to the "right", though one has to wonder how your Protestant ruling class became so militaristic and conservative.
CountArach
10-16-2009, 12:57
Radical Social Democrat, so neither of those positions are suitable.
Radical Social Democrat, so neither of those positions are suitable.
Please explain what is "Radical Social Democrat"?
Do you mean you are a fierce Social-Democrat, or do support some Radical Social-Democratism (e.g. conventional Socialism?)
Wouldn't a Radical Social Democract be a Democratic Socialist?
Don Corleone
10-16-2009, 14:05
I find my political philosphy to go from one extreme to the other.
In general, I believe the well-educated individual will always make better choices about their behavior and their finances than any well-intentioned government ever could. I believe in non-interventionist foreign policies because I respect the sovereignty of places even like North Korea and Iran, and consider the overthrow of Kim Jong-Il (or Saddam Hussein) a matter for North Koreans (or Iraqis), not well intentioned Americans.
That being said, experience and knowledge of the world has proven to me that the ideal I list above, orginally articulated by my hero Alexander Hamilton, is probably unattainable.
All I have to do is read a story about the widespread abuses women, children and the elderly suffer in our society, and I could easily become a Leninist, minus the ban on religion. Are there any collectivist-authoritarian-Christian ideologies out there? If somebody says "Lords' Resistance Army" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army) they're going to get a fat lip.... That's not at all what I mean.
As I have posted at length in other threads, "conservative" and "liberal" are so abused in American politics that they are often used to describe the polar opposite of their, you know, meaning. When someone describes himself as a "conservative," I usually think, "Good luck with whatever you mean when you say that." The same for self-described liberals. The words have lost all meaning.
Second the reference to EMFM's thread. Until you go issue-by-issue, it's very hard to get a real grip on another person's politics.
Aemilius Paulus
10-16-2009, 17:44
That's a rather crude way of looking at it. Europe is not "shifted to the left" any more than America is shifted to the "right", though one has to wonder how your Protestant ruling class became so militaristic and conservative.
For one, not "your", as I am not an American citizen :P. Secondly, why not? Europe is greatly more liberal and leftist than US. Its political spectrum is slanted towards the left in comparison to US. What part of that is not correct?
Big_John
10-16-2009, 18:40
Are there any collectivist-authoritarian-Christian ideologies out there?do you mean like the numerous communes of christians that live under some form of 'traditional' social structure, living off of crops that they grow and selling the excess at farmer's markets?
these people always give me the creeps when i buy their lettuce..
http://www.themorningstarranch.org/
I can't place myself as either. I support conservative government spending yet liberal government regulation of business. I support in general a more libertarian view so I want liberal gun laws and such. I feel people should be free to have abortions, I support euthanasia for people that want it. Instead of social engineering I'd rather recognize that environment and upbringing do affect people and so set high standards for kids in school in math, english, and sciences. I'm very conservative toward immigration and believe that it should be tightly controlled and only foreigners in key fields should be allowed to immigrate as well as support a very strict enforcement against illegal immigrants. I think drugs such as marijuana should be legal and that users or people in possesion of hard drugs within a certain small quantity should be fined and put in rehab programs while dealers and producers of harder drugs should be locked away forever with no probation.
So I don't know, I still think of myself as a moderate for the most part.
Are there any collectivist-authoritarian-Christian ideologies out there? If somebody says "Lords' Resistance Army" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army) they're going to get a fat lip.... That's not at all what I mean.
Catholic Church.
Radical Social Democrat, so neither of those positions are suitable.
I thought you was a Libertarian Socialist like myself?
Megas Methuselah
10-17-2009, 06:44
Social democrat. Thanks for including that option and many, many others on the poll, Zain.
CountArach
10-17-2009, 07:46
I thought you was a Libertarian Socialist like myself?
Ideally, yes. That's pretty much where the radical side of it comes in. Basically I support a heavily reformed Democracy that is more Participatory and inclusive, and which would implement Socialism insofar as a state can. At that point an activist and radical working class can destroy what the state cannot, and take power for themselves.
Fisherking
10-17-2009, 07:51
Oh Man!
A proliferation of polls!
I am Conservative enough to want to conserve what is good and Liberal enough to want to reform what is bad.
Would I use one of those titles? Not anymore!
I don’t trust the people trying to tell me what is good or what is bad, I pretty much know that already.:laugh4:
I am a believer in the quote, who ever said it, and it is attributed to several, and I will paraphrase;
If you are not a socialist at age 20 you have no heart, but if you are still a socialist at age 40 you have no brain.
:deal2:
Samurai Waki
10-17-2009, 07:52
Are there any collectivist-authoritarian-Christian ideologies out there? If somebody says "Lords' Resistance Army" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army) they're going to get a fat lip.... That's not at all what I mean.
Do you really want me to list all of the Christian Cults that believe in a Collectivist-Authoritarian-Christian Ideology?
Kralizec
10-18-2009, 19:42
I'm definitely a liberal in the European sense of the word. Look it up.
Because I feel closer to socially liberal, economicly moderate/right wing democrats like Bill Clinton than I do to anyone who is "conservative" I voted liberal anyway.
All I have to do is read a story about the widespread abuses women, children and the elderly suffer in our society, and I could easily become a Leninist, minus the ban on religion. Are there any collectivist-authoritarian-Christian ideologies out there? If somebody says "Lords' Resistance Army" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army) they're going to get a fat lip.... That's not at all what I mean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy
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