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SeveredSoul
01-21-2003, 21:51
I caught "Conquest" on the History Channel here in the America the other day...of course if you live in Europe you probably don't have the History Channel because, well, you guys live where the history comes from http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Anyway, in the show, they were showing their "battle group" (4 men and 2 women) how to fight with axes. They were taught to fight with at first small hand axes, single and double bladed, and then they brought out the housecarls and gave a bit of background on the weapon. At first the battle group didn't much like the axes because they were too unwieldeldy. They wanted a sword or a spear, something that could be controled a bit more. The host of the show then showed that the axe was a psychological(sp?) weapon. They also demonstrated how an axe was an offensive weapon only, simply because you almost needed two hands on the axe to make the axe an effective weapon.

They also did a thing on Viking Berzerkers that really got my attention giving the expantion pack is coming. Apparently there were whole famlies of them in the Viking armies. One man would step from the ranks of the Vikings armed with only a knife, his Battle-axe and a whole lot of attitude. Bleeding from self-inflicted wounds, snarling, yelling, foaming at the mouth, removing his clothing down to his furs and no helm. He would then grab his Battle-axe and charge the line of spearmen with their interlocking shields. Because the troops were, one, intimidated by the display of crazyness by this madman. And two, they had to be thinking "My God, this is one bloke fighting a hundred of us?" And since the man was swinging his Battle-axe like a whirlwind the men could not get in a jab even with their spears. So the formation would break just by sending in a Viking Berzerker, also I am sure that just by seing this one man go out BY HIMSELF and attack the enemy that it encouraged the Viking ranks and just made them that more impestious (sp)

Big King Sanctaphrax
01-21-2003, 21:57
We do have the history channel in Europe, in Britain anyway http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif (channel 561 on Sky).

SeveredSoul
01-21-2003, 22:00
I know, I was just making a funny http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Loras
01-21-2003, 22:32
i saw that show too, they had some cool stuff about housecarls.

Brother Derfel
01-21-2003, 22:38
I am always sceptical when I hear the many varied and wild tales that surround Beserkers. So little is actualy known about them as real fact, and only documats such as the Saga's and the Anglo Saxon chronicles record them and the Saga's are reknown for their tall tales.
My advice is don't take what you saw on that program as gospel truth as to what Beserkers were, because I have seen numerous documentaries on them and every one has differed on it's explanation of them and on the tales that surround them.

solypsist
01-21-2003, 22:58
moved to Monastery.

Kongamato
01-22-2003, 01:24
According to this information, would you guys accept a Kensai remake, a one-man Berserk who horrifies non-elite, undisciplined units?

Coldstream
01-22-2003, 15:20
I've always found that I look at these situations from two perspectives: 1. The romanticist. 2. The scholar.

The Romanticist in me wants to really devoutly believe that there was one warrior smashing into ranks and ranks of spears and single-handedly pushing them from the field.

The scholar, on the other hand, sees that this is rather impractical. One man against hundreds -possibly thousands- is a bit one-sided. Wouldn't he just be impaled on the spears of the enemy?

While the scholar may work against the beserker, it can also work for it. The Vikings, if memory serves, were all in all a warrior nation. They believed that dying as heroes in battle would grant them a place in Valhalla (Their afterlife) where they would be for all eternity, getting drunk, eating and what have you.

Still, I don't find it especialy hard to believe that a teenager or man in his early 20's, still slightly naive and not yet ripe enough to value life, would pick up a huge axe and go single-handedly charging into enemy lines. It may be certain death, but he's been promised eternity in paradise right?

It's quite feasible that these Viking extremists are not too different from the Muslim extremists of today who blow themselves up for Allah and life in paradise.

Krasturak
01-22-2003, 23:07
Gah

*grabs ]2*

*swings ]2*

Gah

*cuts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif off*

Gah

Ithaskar Fëarindel
01-23-2003, 02:01
If only you'd posted that a month ago Krast, you'd have won the "Most Helpful Historian" by far http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

(Seriously - where's the contribution to history/culture Krast?)

Whitey
01-23-2003, 11:04
you have not read his contribution to the 'history of Gah thread, or the history of the headless horsemen and the taranakians, his revisionist views on the subject are very interesting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif