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After looking at the poll on "how old are you" and noticing that most people who post on this forum are either in their late teenage years or in their early to mid twenties I wanted to pose the question, considering the historically accurate nature of EB, how many people here are either studying a related subject at the moment or working in a related field (History, Archaeology, Anthropology etc.) and how many people are studying/working in completely unrelated positions?
Jebivjetar
10-28-2009, 11:50
I study philosophy and sociology (i have 5 exams left), but anyway i'm interested in history too so i read some books about that matter. Anyway there exist philosophical approach to history as well, so i wouldn't say that my "job" isn't related to history at all :book:
Cute Wolf
10-28-2009, 11:55
I study theoritical chemistry, but I have a lot of interest in history.... I'm now just half year away for completing my bachelor degree, and after that I'll take on magistrate.... Well, my education is the one that "almost completely unrelated" with the history...
anubis88
10-28-2009, 12:17
I study history and ancient filology( classical latin and Attican Greek) so i'm practically studying EB. An hour ago in my class, the professor wanted to know how does one use the word "nota,-ae" and it hit me NOTA CENSORIA, and indeed the professor was very pleased with me being the only one to know where to use it...
So EB and my Study complement each other:beam:
I'm a final year chemistry student so I'm completely unrelated to the field. History is more of a hobby for me.
-Praetor-
10-28-2009, 13:20
Laws school. Got my final exam in 27 days.
Damn I should be studying.
Classical and Near Eastern Archaeology. 4th Year.
WinsingtonIII
10-28-2009, 17:02
I'm studying sociology and community/public health, so I'm not really related to EB, as I've never taken a sociology course that dealt with ancient societies. History has always been one of my favorite subjects though, so I try to take some courses on it when I have time. However, the courses I take are usually medieval era, I've only taken one classical era history course.
A Terribly Harmful Name
10-28-2009, 17:19
Laws school. Got my final exam in 27 days.
Damn I should be studying.
I have an exam tomorrow, and I'm only studying now :laugh4:.
EB is the culprit.
Andronikos
10-28-2009, 18:11
I study theoritical chemistry, but I have a lot of interest in history....
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
Apázlinemjó
10-28-2009, 18:23
History BA, Ancient Times specialization, second year. Actually we don't really study the EB's timeframe that much (yet), but the Classical Eastern (like: Assyrian, Mid-Assyrian, Neo-Assyrian Empires) and Greek (like: Peloponnesian War, Greco-Persian Wars, The Society of Athen and Sparte) periods right now. And EB was quite handy for me, when I had to check the important greek colonies around the Mediterranean Sea. :clown:
Macilrille
10-28-2009, 19:27
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
You would be talking EB instead of the subject of the conference :clown:
I was a carpenter, now I am an unemployed Ma in history with a bot of political science added. My speciality is Viking Age- Middle Age, Roman and Military history.
Grade_A_Beef
10-28-2009, 19:33
I study Geography with an emphasis on natural resources and the environment.
It's not really related, although I can always write about how salinization and other destructive soil practices (due to agriculture) turned what was once the famed Fertile Cresent in Roman times into what we see today.....
Those deserts you see in Iraq and Syria aren't just because it's hot there...
Macilrille
10-28-2009, 19:40
Well, geography sets the setting and limits for developments that become history, so no historian can neglect geography...
Grade_A_Beef
10-28-2009, 19:50
Yeah, that's true. Guess it is related :yes:
-Praetor-
10-28-2009, 19:59
I study Geography with an emphasis on natural resources and the environment.
It's not really related, although I can always write about how salinization and other destructive soil practices (due to agriculture) turned what was once the famed Fertile Cresent in Roman times into what we see today.....
Those deserts you see in Iraq and Syria aren't just because it's hot there...
Now that would be something interesting to read about...
Uticensis
10-28-2009, 20:37
First year MA student studying medieval history. I'm really into medieval archeology, but being at an American university I have to be in the history department and not the anthropology department to really study it.
Kara Mustafa
10-28-2009, 22:31
Psychology, 2nd year.
But I also signed up to some history lessons to satisfy my thirst for history:laugh4:
bigmilt16
10-28-2009, 23:11
Laws school. Got my final exam in 27 days.
Damn I should be studying.
Law School too.
Fluvius Camillus
10-28-2009, 23:23
Business Economy, first year, first exams next week. I've always been quite good at this. History is more a (large) hobby for me. And for history, I see
1. No great future job rewards,
2. Dutch history school is much more about late medieval till modern times.
3. I dislike the way history is approached at school.
~Fluvius
Molinaargh
10-29-2009, 00:42
Am I the only one who thought this would be about the education of FMs? :dizzy2:
i study civil engineering
Cute Wolf
10-29-2009, 03:00
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
Hope that my research on inorganic catalysis brings me to some kind of confrence :thumbsup:
I'm a geology concentration student at colorado state university, fort collins, and I hope to concentrate in paleontology.
I'm at junior level, but I only really just now started in the geological stuff (I'm done with the biological though). I hope to specialize in Archosaurimorph physiology, and documen the dinosaurs in the Arab world, as well as the eastern US. I'm really intereted in eye colors that dinosaurs could have had-kinda wierd, but it might be used. my channel on youtube kind of reflects this-nothing but bird-dinosaur stuff, defending the current science behind it, and talking shop with another paleobiology student (user prof1988):2thumbsup:
I'm supposed to also comajor or minor in mechanical engineering, but my math grades are too poor to let me qualify. (not that it matters-I only agreed to do it for my parents, so while its voluntary, its not critical)
Scipio Germanicus
10-29-2009, 04:38
I'm a Social Sciences major with a minor in Secondary Education.
kekailoa
10-29-2009, 06:10
I'm a first year university student transplanted from Hawaii to Victoria, BC. I'm studying anthropology with hopes to get into archaeology. I'd really like to specialize in Iron Age Northern Europe, and possibly Iberia too.
Guys, here's the punch! none will guess!
4th (and last, finally!) year at the national conservatory of Bucharest, I study classical music, I'm an opera signer, Kavalier Bariton (type of voice).
History is an hobby, along with medieval sword fighting, and jousting... a minute of silence for a jousting horse that died this summer... He was a nice bro... i also participate in non-professional rodeos and physicly train a lot (to help for the opera signing)...
Wow, i certainly didn't expect so many scientists. Well personally i am studying for my masters in Archaeology, mainly specialising in Celtic archaeology. Yes, kekailo, I am living the dream!
I study theoritical chemistry, 3th year, and has a major interest of historical based lectures (take outside lectures such as history and archeology)... Want to have a research on determining compositions of ancient artifacts... well, at least I made my education suits some of my hobbies at all... you need to determine whether the romans are collapsed from lead poisoning or not eh? an interesting topic of research... sadly I only can study local artifacts here... so I think I'll try to apply scholarship at europe... so I could study roman ruins...
alexanderthegreater
10-29-2009, 17:32
BA History, first year. Its nice, but the classes start to early (9:00 AM, the sadists) at which point im a zombie.
Owen Glyndwr
10-29-2009, 18:55
I'm a first year with proposed major of history with a minor in linguistics. I'm most likely going to place my emphasis on Europe, looking at particularly the Ancient World. I have aspirations to go on to grad school, receive my PhD, and become a college professor.
Mediolanicus
10-29-2009, 19:29
First year MA law student in the university of Ghent. Specialization in international and european law.
Archaeology, second year, focusing on Classical Archaeology.
Classical and Near Eastern Archaeology. 4th Year.
May I ask where you study? "The Frozen North" sounds familiar. I'd really like to find a place where I could someday expand my studies to Near Eastern Archaeology or History.
Guys, here's the punch! none will guess!
4th (and last, finally!) year at the national conservatory of Bucharest, I study classical music, I'm an opera signer, Kavalier Bariton (type of voice).
History is an hobby, along with medieval sword fighting, and jousting... a minute of silence for a jousting horse that died this summer... He was a nice bro... i also participate in non-professional rodeos and physicly train a lot (to help for the opera signing)...
Wow!!! I'm impressed.
Macilrille
10-29-2009, 23:20
Poor you and poor horse.
One of my best female friends is an opera singer, she trains for 3-4 hours 5+ days a week.
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
Hope that my research on inorganic catalysis brings me to some kind of confrence :thumbsup:
I study theoritical chemistry, 3th year, and has a major interest of historical based lectures (take outside lectures such as history and archeology)... Want to have a research on determining compositions of ancient artifacts... well, at least I made my education suits some of my hobbies at all... you need to determine whether the romans are collapsed from lead poisoning or not eh? an interesting topic of research... sadly I only can study local artifacts here... so I think I'll try to apply scholarship at europe... so I could study roman ruins...
If we do all meet at a conference (my intrests are similar to Andronikos) its would to be a pretty weird one:laugh4:
ps whats the difference between theoretical chemistry and just plain chemistry? I'm assumng its just a different name as we're likely studying the same stuff.
kekailoa
10-30-2009, 06:15
Wow, i certainly didn't expect so many scientists. Well personally i am studying for my masters in Archaeology, mainly specialising in Celtic archaeology. Yes, kekailo, I am living the dream!
Sounds pretty much exactly what I want to do. Where are you studying?
Karamazovmm
10-30-2009, 07:09
I have a BA in International Relations and I'm in third year of a BA in Economics...
Does anyone lives in Brazil?
Poor you and poor horse.
One of my best female friends is an opera singer, she trains for 3-4 hours 5+ days a week.
Thanks for the care!
and for the opera training, that's correct, it is a lot! you see, the vocals cords ang laringe are muscle that takes way more time to develop than other muscles, and get tired quiet fast, without proper training. I practice qbout 2 to 3 hours a day. for 23 years old, that's quiet good... but the male voice is really mature only after 30, when it gets full expension ans strengh of muscle... but he, as my opera director says : if you wanna carrier in the, you must eat it on your bread! well, in fact, just as any other carrier, if you really want it, you have to put all you got and you get what you want! I think that everyone here on this forum make their studies or jobs out of their passion, as I see so many scientist and archeologists! it's the beauty of it!
Wow!!! I'm impressed.
Fact is that, since in Romania, singners are more ''classicly'' educated (attitude talking, not the voice! of corse, we're trained classical way for the voice!), it made me realize how close-minded people can be sometime, and I really didn't wanted my life to be closed on 1 thing! some people consider themself lucky to have a passion in life... I have dozens! but.. I don't have enough of only 1 life to do all what I want! the secret is, love the life and she'll love you!
to frontline1944 : nothing against Romania! I wouldn't be there for 4 years otherwise! when I say many are closed-minded, i'm not talkin' about romanians, but people in general! I just wanted to clarify!
Sounds pretty much exactly what I want to do. Where are you studying?
Currently at Edinburgh, did my undergraduate in Belfast. Think I may be getting into the La Tene period too much these days, even look like a Gaul now. lol. Where are you?
Olimpian
10-30-2009, 18:34
Medicine - 2nd year.
Medical biology, specializing in neurobiology. I graduated last year and am now looking for a job as researcher.
Well, I'm a Forester.
Bachelor (undergraduate) in Forestry (Forest Engineering) last year, and right now in a MSc. in Forest Policy and Economics. But apart my master, I'm unenployed... :sad3:
Yet, every known friend of mine from high school wanted spank me, because I turned down History or Archeaology bachelors as options... but I rather prefer my passion for history to stay as a 'mistress', while I'm spoused to forests and environment trouble. :study:
[ OT mode on ], I'd like to create a thread on the Grade_a_Beef line of study. Other theorie for some deserts in Middle-East claim to be the unprecedent and massive needs for resources as wood and fodder imposed by Alexander the Great Army, during his conquest. But, it's a theorie! [ OT mode off ]
And Seila, I'm from south Brasil, ok ?
Cheers !!! :horn:
kekailoa
10-30-2009, 23:33
Currently at Edinburgh, did my undergraduate in Belfast. Think I may be getting into the La Tene period too much these days, even look like a Gaul now. lol. Where are you?
Geez, you're in one of the best places possible. I'm currently at University of Victoria, and just moved here a couple months ago from home. There's good archaeology programs up here, but all focused on the First Nations program. I'd really like to transfer to possibly somewhere in Western Europe, but I don't really know where to go.
seienchin
10-31-2009, 02:32
Japan studies, German as a foreign language and business. All 2nd year...:book:
My father is history teacher and everybody expected me to study history, because as a I child i used to only read history books and always got the best history grades but well, now its just a hobby :juggle2:
B.S. Chemical Engineering (and possibly Materials Science as well)
2nd year
-Vartan
Cute Wolf
10-31-2009, 18:03
It looks like for some oddities, EB attracts chemists.... :laugh4:
Apázlinemjó
10-31-2009, 18:22
It looks like for some oddities, EB attracts chemists.... :laugh4:
Yeah, more chemists play this game than historians... :inquisitive:
I Am Herenow
10-31-2009, 20:51
BA History, first year.
Nice - where?
Currently at Edinburgh
Interesting - do they have a good History department? I know it's not your subject, but you might have had a look around or something.
I Am Herenow
Africanus
11-01-2009, 15:48
Oy, you lads know how to make a guy feel old...:laugh4:
47 year old big kid and retired from an unrelated profession.
I've always been fascinated with ancient history - the Roman Empire in particular - and really got into reading more about it after I retired about four years ago.
I stumbled upon RTW about a year and a half ago, and have been addicted ever since. I've played several of the mods (kudos to all involved) and am currently running an EB 1.2 Romani campaign, so here I am.:beam:
BA Politics, first year. Not too much relevance to EB, apart from a few select people and events from the classical period, like the impact of Thucydides (father of realism), Socrates, Plato and the whole concept of Athenian democracy (which comes up again in lectures I think I might scream) on more modern political issues.
Andronikos
11-01-2009, 18:19
If we do all meet at a conference (my intrests are similar to Andronikos) its would to be a pretty weird one:laugh4:
ps whats the difference between theoretical chemistry and just plain chemistry? I'm assumng its just a different name as we're likely studying the same stuff.
That would be great.
Theoretical chemistry is synonym (not 100 %) for quantum chem., computational chem. or chemical physics. That is use of quantum theory (not only) and computers for investigation of chemical phenomena. It doesn't involve working in a lab.
I study plain chemistry too, my major is called chemistry and I have lectures from organic, inorganic, analytical chem., physics, maths... and I have laboratory practice too, but after I receive bachelor degree, I will have to choose specialisation like organics, inorganics and so on. And I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Phalanx300
11-01-2009, 18:29
I wondered about doing something with History and still am but there simply isn't a job that would fit me what you can use it for. :inquisitive:
That would be great.
Theoretical chemistry is synonym (not 100 %) for quantum chem., computational chem. or chemical physics. That is use of quantum theory (not only) and computers for investigation of chemical phenomena. It doesn't involve working in a lab.
I study plain chemistry too, my major is called chemistry and I have lectures from organic, inorganic, analytical chem., physics, maths... and I have laboratory practice too, but after I receive bachelor degree, I will have to choose specialisation like organics, inorganics and so on. And I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Ah ok i get what your saying there, my course is similar except its divided up into physical, organic and inorganic chemistry each with their own set of lab experiments. Personally i'm hoping to specialise in materials science when i get my Honours (writing my dissertation right now) then probably go on and do a Masters or PHD depending on my grade.
Currently at Edinburgh, did my undergraduate in Belfast. Think I may be getting into the La Tene period too much these days, even look like a Gaul now. lol. Where are you?
good university that
Major in Biology, Minors in Chemistry and Latin.
Currently studying veterinary medicine at the Royal Dick.
Interesting - do they have a good History department? I know it's not your subject, but you might have had a look around or something.
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
Without the archaeological evidence EB would very bland, the Sauromatae, early Saka, Casse, Lusotann and for the most part the Aedui, Arverni and Sweboz would probably be just as generic as the "barbarians" in RTW vanilla. Not to offend the historians amongst us, without you the Hellenic factions and Roma would be very lacking, I just prefer knowing what individuals wore in antiquity rather than where they were.
Silence Hunter
11-02-2009, 00:46
BA in International Business, Finance and Economics 2nd year. It's not really related to history, but I was always interested in business as a profession to make money for living. History, on the other hand, is a passion and a hobby - something to relax after uni.
Though you can find some relation between business and history. For example Sun Tzu's Art of War is used as reading for business strategy. We also do quite some stuff with tactics and strategy and these are my favourite bits. They are in a way a blend of business and history.
That would be great.
Theoretical chemistry is synonym (not 100 %) for quantum chem., computational chem. or chemical physics. That is use of quantum theory (not only) and computers for investigation of chemical phenomena. It doesn't involve working in a lab.
I study plain chemistry too, my major is called chemistry and I have lectures from organic, inorganic, analytical chem., physics, maths... and I have laboratory practice too, but after I receive bachelor degree, I will have to choose specialisation like organics, inorganics and so on. And I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Nah... in my univ, the theoritical chemistry was merely how to difference chemichal engineering with chemistry....
Both I and CW works on lab... but only I get computation experiment (for calculating some radioactive decays, molecules interaction on time, and more damn subjects...), CW works mostly on lab, and AFAIK didn't take computational science at all (excepting becomes the network administrator last year so he could get the lan to play multiplayers).
Scutarii
11-02-2009, 08:56
Yet aother Chemist here, 3rd year masters at Bath Uni in the UK. Specialised in drug design and planning my research into Enzymatic Biosynthesis, mainly because I want to see how to use enzymes for quick, easy and natural drug production and metabolism. Some of the most effective drugs out there start off inert in the body, are converted to an active form by enzymes in the target part of the body and then broken down again by other enzymes so they basically never have a chance to cause damage elsewhere.
History is a hobby for me, I'm a real fan of low fantasy and classical age Europe is basically the real world version of that!
We should get a running tally of who does what...
Apázlinemjó
11-02-2009, 09:33
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
Without the archaeological evidence EB would very bland, the Sauromatae, early Saka, Casse, Lusotann and for the most part the Aedui, Arverni and Sweboz would probably be just as generic as the "barbarians" in RTW vanilla. Not to offend the historians amongst us, without you the Hellenic factions and Roma would be very lacking, I just prefer knowing what individuals wore in antiquity rather than where they were.
When I applied for university I wanted to take archeology first, but somehow (:book:) I ended up at history and I still don't regret it. As one of my favourite professors said, the historian's work is like an investigator's, we have puzzle pieces and an unknown case, so our job is to solve the puzzle and find out what really happened. The archeologists' work is different, they find the pieces and analyze them, but it's not their job to put this into the whole picture. For example in Hungary, the archeology bachelors study Pannonia province a lot, while the Roman Empire as a whole not, it's exactly the opposite with us. But it depends on what you like actually, I more like to "work" with the big picture.
kekailoa
11-02-2009, 10:21
I'm interested in both, and to be a good archaeologist you obviously have to enjoy and have a thorough understanding of history, not only of the place you are working and/or excavating but of the surrounding regions and world as a whole.
But I couldn't be a historian. I love the material culture of ancient societies waaaay to much. The phenomenal detail and skill that's unmatched today is incredible, and being an archaeologist you get to see all that pretty stuff.
WarpGhost
11-02-2009, 12:11
I did Applied Physics at uni; history (especially ancient period) is a hobby.
I have a BA in the history of ideas/thinking, and will shortly be completing a BA in PR and communication.
Macilrille
11-02-2009, 17:47
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
:oops:
I am sorry to say so, and no offense meant, but...
This exhibits a great lack of knowledge of the science/art of historical research...
Source criticism applied is the foundation of historical research, all too many archeologists read the sources and does not apply any criticism/theory. I suspect all too many historians have looked at the material remains and not applied archeological theory/source criticism as well, though I hope that is a thing of the past.
It is seperate sciences for a reason and if I may say so, you have much reading to do and enlightenment to reach if you believe that one can just read the sources and know what happened and I am frankly both surprised and somewhat disappointed by such a view :oops:
You do the digging and thinking, I do the reading and thinking, then we compare notes. Two specialists can do more than two generalists, so it is better thus.
Now gentlemen if you will allow me to compose my response to the following points ( I mean no offence, this is purely on academics)
As one of my favourite professors said, the historian's work is like an investigator's, we have puzzle pieces and an unknown case, so our job is to solve the puzzle and find out what really happened. The archeologists' work is different, they find the pieces and analyze them, but it's not their job to put this into the whole picture. .
This point only holds for literate societies that do not have complex political structures. Your point holds true for Rome and Carthage and other major literate political powers. These nations had writers with political bias and leaders that would guide the nation to perform certain acts of conquest, tolerate certain peoples and implement new reforms (the so called "Great Man" theory of German Historiography). Now these great powers were too short lived to be affected by climatic changes in a the way Palaeolithic man was and too well documented that archaeoloy could really alter the picture, however in illiterate or poorly documented societies the archaeologist is responsible for reconstructing the big picutre as best as can be done (e.g. V. Gordon Childe). And in societies where changes are observed lasting for much longer than could be caused by individuals (e.g. spread of agriculture) it is the responsibility of archaeologists (or your own French Annales School) to build up the big picture
:oops:
I am sorry to say so, and no offense meant, but...
This exhibits a great lack of knowledge of the science/art of historical research...
Source criticism applied is the foundation of historical research, all too many archeologists read the sources and does not apply any criticism/theory. I suspect all too many historians have looked at the material remains and not applied archeological theory/source criticism as well, though I hope that is a thing of the past.
It is seperate sciences for a reason and if I may say so, you have much reading to do and enlightenment to reach if you believe that one can just read the sources and know what happened and I am frankly both surprised and somewhat disappointed by such a view :oops:
You do the digging and thinking, I do the reading and thinking, then we compare notes. Two specialists can do more than two generalists, so it is better thus.
I must commend your historical credentials that you were able to extract so much from my short comment. Yes you are correct the two social sciences are distinct for reasons but if I may respond to a few certain points. It is not the duty of the archaeologist to apply critique to historical records from reading them. We read, we excavate, then we criticise. More often than not the historian deals with more precise data, "Why was X at Y in such a year? What were the implications for X thinking at the time? What bias does this infer in X work?" the archaeologist however deals with broader, more blunt data "Why does Z artefact occur throughout region Y? What are the implications for the population" To put it simply you deal with great men's diaries, we deal with commen men's bins. It is your job to critique the historical records we can only disprove them, but as mentioned by someone above the archaeologist must have a good understanding of history that is why archaeology is an auxillary of history. Historical sources for you are you data, they are just guides for us, if we evaluated them we wouldn't be archaeologists, our data is the waste of societies, if you analysed our data you wouldn't be historians.
alexanderthegreater
11-04-2009, 13:52
Perhaps we should consider archeology and history to be two fields in a hybrid relationship to each other to reconstruct our knowledge of the past. It is true that archeologists analyze archeological evidence, and historians the historical sources, yet the conclusions of archeologists are incorporated in the reconstruction of the past by historians, while the finds of historians can be confirmed or disproven by archeology.
Yet there are some aspects of history which cannot be reconstructed by archeological evidence. I am thinking of certain cultural and sociological aspects, such as political systems, ideology, etc. Which have had a profound impact on our past. Here come in the social sciences such as antropology and sociology. This would add to the earlier mentioned point that history attempts to attain a more general view of our past, incorporating several techniques.
In addition to this, it must indeed be noted that the more general picture history attempts to provide applies only to literal cultures. There is written little about the Celts for example, and generally by outsiders (Romans). In their case it is archeology which provides the bulk of our knowledge.
And in societies where changes are observed lasting for much longer than could be caused by individuals (e.g. spread of agriculture) it is the responsibility of archaeologists (or your own French Annales School) to build up the big picture
I am inclined to strongly disagree here. It is a misconception that the study of history limits itself to gaining knowledge of a big basket of unrelated events. Au contraire, the central aim of history is to combine sources (not rarely spanning longer periods) to deduct general processes and developments. For example, the transition of the society of the Roman Empire into that of the Middle Ages. According to a somewhat dated theory, the Middle Ages only truly started with the collapse of mediterannean trade contacts due to the Arabic invasion of North Africa in the 8th century (!). Likewise, the serfdom of the Middle ages can be said to have originated in the closer binding of Roman colonists to their ground by their landlords during the Late Empire. (due to labor shortages among other things)
It is also nonsensical to base your perception of history on the Great Man Theory, which hasnt been at the forefront of historical thought since the beginning of the 20th century.
Just my 2 cents. :clown:
47 year old big kid and retired from an unrelated profession.
I hope you're having a blast. 19 years old here, and personally, age is but a number!
I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Nice! Have fun with that =] I'm more of a pragmatist, hence the chemical engineering field for me =)
And yeah...there are so many chemists playing this game!!!
WE should start a specific chemist group here :laugh4:
BTW, I just completed my study in artifact compotition determination... That's awful, with 0.01 gr of sample, you should able to determine anything from it... one wrong breath and all is over... :wall:
I think you sum up the situation very well Alexanderthegreater.
WE should start a specific chemist group here :laugh4:
BTW, I just completed my study in artifact compotition determination... That's awful, with 0.01 gr of sample, you should able to determine anything from it... one wrong breath and all is over... :wall:
Let's start it =]
And yeah. But 0.01g is a full 10mg. That's plenty if you have the right tools and a great lab.
mountaingoat
11-06-2009, 06:39
full time barbarian
full time barbarian
:laugh4: Best Response so far!
Cute Wolf
11-06-2009, 09:27
Let's start it =]
And yeah. But 0.01g is a full 10mg. That's plenty if you have the right tools and a great lab.
He once accidentally blow up (with his nose) an ancient javanese shadow puppet's sample... :laugh4: that sample was actually for a whole class to analyze, but lost because his carelessness :laugh4::smash:
Apázlinemjó
11-06-2009, 11:40
This point only holds for literate societies that do not have complex political structures. Your point holds true for Rome and Carthage and other major literate political powers. These nations had writers with political bias and leaders that would guide the nation to perform certain acts of conquest, tolerate certain peoples and implement new reforms (the so called "Great Man" theory of German Historiography). Now these great powers were too short lived to be affected by climatic changes in a the way Palaeolithic man was and too well documented that archaeoloy could really alter the picture, however in illiterate or poorly documented societies the archaeologist is responsible for reconstructing the big picutre as best as can be done (e.g. V. Gordon Childe). And in societies where changes are observed lasting for much longer than could be caused by individuals (e.g. spread of agriculture) it is the responsibility of archaeologists (or your own French Annales School) to build up the big picture
I generally agree what you said, those archeologists, who study the pre-witten and "not really" documented cultures, graduated in History too, at least in Hungary. While who work with the "classical" Ancient and Medieval times are usually "simple" archeologists studying mostly their fields only. While the historians (who teach us for example) have a deeper knowledge about the whole said time itself. I like the history department more, because I can study entire countries', fractions', "nations'", empires' struggles, advances, wars, economies (:thumbsdown:), cultures and declines, while with archeology I would feel that I'm "restricted" on one area/time.
I'm gonna buck the trend here: I'm 32, a Music Producer and Music Technology graduate and lecturer and know absolutely nothing about the time period apart from studying at Roman Britain aged 12. I always had toy soldiers and played Warhammer 40k and used to dream of a day when you could have real battles on a computer so I guess that's why I play.
applebreath
11-07-2009, 23:21
At the moment, a full-time bum...
:shame::whip:
:skull:
Mouzafphaerre
11-08-2009, 04:05
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Decided to give a second try to university at the beginning of my mid-thirties and began studying classical philology (Ancient Greek and Latin). :book2:
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the man with no name
11-10-2009, 00:04
I've a long time to decide what i want to be when i grow up but at the moment i have 2 ideas, both involving history.
1. Be an archeologist on the celtic world.
2. Be an World Studies teacher/ancient gallic archeology professor
full time barbarian
EPIC WIN
3. I dislike the way history is approached at school.
~Fluvius
This is exacactly correct! In my school system we only ever study their gov't systems and why this affected this and that affected that and so on and so forth.
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
I agree with all of this completely.
What the heck, how did this double post? I could have sworn i copyed these quotes and pasted them. Oh well. Maybe Ludens can fix this.
Sort of a Chemist
Sort of in that I'm starting a degree in pure chemistry this september.
Sort of a Chemist
Sort of in that I'm starting a degree in pure chemistry this september.
You should join EB Chemists.
Education. What do you do? Attain it.
Hannibal Khan the Great
06-08-2010, 03:21
Well I'm not even in high school yet, but I do plan to get a degree in either classical, dark ages or medieval history. Considering that I've got a plan that gets me 4 (or 5 if I do good enough in HS) free years of college, I think I've got everything pretty well planned out.
stratigos vasilios
06-08-2010, 03:35
I'm doing my Masters in Audiology. History is a thoroughly enjoyable hobby with its enjoyment multiplied when playing EB.
Daiyoukai Ramza
06-08-2010, 04:06
I regret to say that I only have a High School diploma, with no real plans to pursue further education. Due to intense laziness and some... rough times as a teenager, I posses neither the grades, nor the standardized test scores to enter a good college; never mind the whole financial aspect of that endeavor. However, if I were to enroll in an institution of higher education, the most plausible majors for me, considering my interests, would be history, archaeology, or biology. A degree in English would be a distant fourth, if only because I do not hold that major in particularly high regard compared to the others when it comes to job prospects, despite my love of writing. Ironically, my fifth choice for a major would be mathematics, despite my utter ineptitude at any field of mathematics more advanced or difficult than geometry.
Of course, my sub-par performance in mathematics could be chalked up to my teachers, all of whom failed in making the material they taught seem relevant to my life. Still, I'm not entirely sure if it's that, a genuine weakness in my mathematical capabilities, or both. In any case, it's a pretty big hurdle in regards to gaining a degree in any math-heavy field.
...
On a final note, I believe that years of exposure to the internet has literally sapped my intelligence. It's a miracle I can even type in complete sentences with (semi)proper grammar and spelling.
The whole proper grammar and spelling "thing" seem to vary among forums. Is it just me or does this forum tend to have on average more people that can execute aforementioned grammar and spelling as opposed to forums for any old video game?
Sort of a Chemist
Sort of in that I'm starting a degree in pure chemistry this september.
Which uni are you going to?
I studying Business Management Accounting, completely unrelated to EB. I kind of have an interest in historical stuff, especially in war stuff. I also love telling them to people in detail about these history stuff. ^^
I wonder why I didn't go for historical subject and jobs.....
Ortilochus
06-08-2010, 06:32
I'm another chemist. In my third year at Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology and currently doing my exams. I am fascinated with ancient history and two of my favourite books are also the Iliad and the Odyssey. After reading about battles it is great that I can play on EB to connect with the past.
P.S How do I join EB chemists?
I have a Bsc in International Business and just started my Msc in Strategic Marketing. After that... who knows. But I have a feeling that my EB time will drop dramatically, once I actually have to work for a living
Andronikos
06-08-2010, 07:36
Ortilochus, I tried to send you an invitation, but it failed, so I suppose, that Junior Members can't join groups, just wait for a while, I will invite both you and Iain. later.
Studying programming, Computer Science departement, 3rd year now and one more to go. But like most of you history is one of my hobbies.
Maion Maroneios
06-08-2010, 11:15
I study Physics (completely unrelated, I know :P), even though I have a genuine interest in history.
I just finished (just as in : TODAY! I had my diploma ceremony!!!!!) music higher studies at the National Conservatory of Bucharest
Reading for a PhD in psychology up here in South Africa (University of KwaZulu-Natal). I work as a intervention developer and evaluator, specifically to prevent HIV infection of young people at the moment. History is just something I do because it is cool.
stratigos vasilios
06-08-2010, 12:53
I just finished (just as in : TODAY! I had my diploma ceremony!!!!!) music higher studies at the National Conservatory of Bucharest
Congratulations Duguntz, good work buddy. Well earnt!
Cambyses
06-08-2010, 13:10
Currently doing an MA in Greek and Roman Archaeology. My BA was in plain old Ancient History.
paleologos
06-08-2010, 13:28
Congratulations Duguntz, good work buddy. Well earnt!
I'llsecond that Duguntz, congratulations!
If you wan't to congratulate someone you can do it via a PM.~:) There's no need to post it here when its not related to the main topic.
Ortilochus, I tried to send you an invitation, but it failed, so I suppose, that Junior Members can't join groups, just wait for a while, I will invite both you and Iain. later.
Have you been too busy pouring the acid first and the water second? haha. Haven't seen you around.
Andronikos
06-08-2010, 16:18
You know, exams. But as soon I get results from the last one, I will post here more often (and of course to the chemists group).
Maion, which branch of physics?
BA in Classics
MA in Classical archaeology (Roman in particular)
I've been off for a year, but in the fall I begin work on a PhD in Roman history... say goodbye to playing EB for a while...
Which uni are you going to?
I'm going to Strathclyde University, in Glasgow.
I'm in my final year of high school, and will study Sinology at the University of Leiden next year, one of the best to be found in Europe for Oriental stuff.
In a couple o' years, I hope to be ordained as a Buddhist monk, but we'll see how that goes.
Thanks a lot Stratigos Vasilios and zcb888 :D Tux, sorry, I didn't intended to disrupt the thread! ya know... it just had to go out, just had to say it :)))
Thanks a lot Stratigos Vasilios and zcb888 :D Tux, sorry, I didn't intended to disrupt the thread! ya know... it just had to go out, just had to say it :)))
Don't worry as you didn't.~:) You posted something related to the main topic but I think that some things, like that, can be said privately.
I suppose playing EB would be my biggest and closest activity out there:book::computer:
lol I love it when my near-dead threads come back to life.
lol I love it when my near-dead threads come back to life.
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
Without the archaeological evidence EB would very bland, the Sauromatae, early Saka, Casse, Lusotann and for the most part the Aedui, Arverni and Sweboz would probably be just as generic as the "barbarians" in RTW vanilla. Not to offend the historians amongst us, without you the Hellenic factions and Roma would be very lacking, I just prefer knowing what individuals wore in antiquity rather than where they were.
Well that's not really true. A good classical historian, especially when not studying the Romans or Hellenes, uses Archeology rather a lot. When studying ancient history the boundaries between history and archeology often (depending on the subject) get thin. Eitherway I'm not satisfied with either mere knowledge of Archeology nor History.
Doing what should have been, but isn't going to be, my final year as a Bachelor student of History (classical age) with a minor in Archeology and art history. Tough I only took Archeology courses. Going for a Masters in history and probably going to be a highschool teacher afterwards while trying to get my Master in Archeology as well. Hoping one day to be able to at least contribute a little writing on Pre-Islamic Arabia. (Funny how two years ago I barely knew anything about it and never tought it'd become my pet subject.) PRobably I'll end up like my father and getting some extra degrees when retired as well, probably either or both anthropolgy and theoretical physics.
I'm in my final year of high school, and will study Sinology at the University of Leiden next year, one of the best to be found in Europe for Oriental stuff.
In a couple o' years, I hope to be ordained as a Buddhist monk, but we'll see how that goes.
Didn't like Leuven? ~;)
Nah Leiden is a great university and good choice for subjects such as these. They even teach Sabaic there and have the third biggest collection of Sabaic texts, which they will finally publish soon, lol! (Which absolutely silly as the man working on it was a prof. from Leuven) I'm becomming quite the history nerd it appears...
Either way good luck with your studies in Leiden and perhaps we stumble on each other there if I ever get the pleasure to get acces to Leiden universities library and/or text collection.
I'm going to Strathclyde University, in Glasgow.
I just finished my honours degree in Chemistry at the University of Glasgow, so good luck to you! (and always go to your tutorials, they really are the best way to learn things)
I studied economy and i'm doing my master's degree on political economy, 3rd semester.
Maion Maroneios
06-09-2010, 09:15
Maion, which branch of physics?
Erhm, standard undergraduate Physics curricula cover almost all topics of classical and modern Physics. I'm not a post-graduate student, so I'm not specializing in any specific branch yet.
Didn't like Leuven? https://forums.totalwar.org/images/smilies/misc/wink.gif
Nah Leiden is a great university and good choice for subjects such as these. They even teach Sabaic there and have the third biggest collection of Sabaic texts, which they will finally publish soon, lol! (Which absolutely silly as the man working on it was a prof. from Leuven) I'm becomming quite the history nerd it appears...
Either way good luck with your studies in Leiden and perhaps we stumble on each other there if I ever get the pleasure to get acces to Leiden universities library and/or text collection.
I'm afraid I didn't have a chance to visit Leuven as I had another appointment that day. However, I spoke with the professor of Sinology, and he said that Leiden has a larger library and a bigger staff, so it would be more logical for me to come there. Also, it's close by!
I'm intrigued by the fact that they have so many Sabaic texts, as I thought that pre-Islamic history was pretty limited..that's very interesting. Perhaps we'll meet one day! I think there are some other EB-ers hanging around at Leiden as well!
Badass Buddha
06-09-2010, 12:54
I regret to say that I only have a High School diploma, with no real plans to pursue further education. Due to intense laziness and some... rough times as a teenager, I posses neither the grades, nor the standardized test scores to enter a good college; never mind the whole financial aspect of that endeavor. However, if I were to enroll in an institution of higher education, the most plausible majors for me, considering my interests, would be history, archaeology, or biology. A degree in English would be a distant fourth, if only because I do not hold that major in particularly high regard compared to the others when it comes to job prospects, despite my love of writing. Ironically, my fifth choice for a major would be mathematics, despite my utter ineptitude at any field of mathematics more advanced or difficult than geometry.
Of course, my sub-par performance in mathematics could be chalked up to my teachers, all of whom failed in making the material they taught seem relevant to my life. Still, I'm not entirely sure if it's that, a genuine weakness in my mathematical capabilities, or both. In any case, it's a pretty big hurdle in regards to gaining a degree in any math-heavy field.
...
On a final note, I believe that years of exposure to the internet has literally sapped my intelligence. It's a miracle I can even type in complete sentences with (semi)proper grammar and spelling.
There's always community college. That's what I'm doing, for I too messed around in high school. For the non-Americans here, community college is where you go if you have bad test scores or can't afford real college, and is depressing as hell.
Macilrille
06-09-2010, 13:06
I studied economy and i'm doing my master's degree on political economy, 3rd semester.
I just finished basic economics as part of Political Science, you study it by choice? Get help! ;-)
Job prospects are good, pretty depressing to actually understand what the politicians are doing to alleviate the crisis is not at all helpful though (at least here in Denmark).
BTW, on a related note, I am considering a Ph.D. in Viking and Medieval history (since that is my speciality); any of you with a local uni with good prospects of getting that? I was thinking of Leeds, but they are more into the study of "The Other" in Merovingian and Carolingian times at the moment.
Phalanx300
06-09-2010, 13:25
When I finish this year then I just have to do one more year at secondary school, then I plan to study Civil Engineering here at Utrecht. Not University level though, I don't have the right subjects for it...
I'm afraid I didn't have a chance to visit Leuven as I had another appointment that day. However, I spoke with the professor of Sinology, and he said that Leiden has a larger library and a bigger staff, so it would be more logical for me to come there. Also, it's close by!
I'm intrigued by the fact that they have so many Sabaic texts, as I thought that pre-Islamic history was pretty limited..that's very interesting. Perhaps we'll meet one day! I think there are some other EB-ers hanging around at Leiden as well!
En op onderwijsgebied?
“Daarin staat een heel interessant project op stapel: er wordt een jaar gewijd aan pre-islamitisch Arabië en de vraag waarom de islam daar in de zevende eeuw ontstond. Door het hele jaar heen komen verschillende disciplines samen en zal er in verschillende vakken veel aandacht zijn voor die periode. Omdat je niet alle expertise over het ontstaan van de islam in huis kunt hebben, komen er verschillende docenten en onderzoekers uit het buitenland. Zo wil ik een bekende wetenschapper uit Oxford voor een lezingenreeks twee maanden naar Leiden halen. Daarnaast zullen er workshops met andere internationale wetenschappers georganiseerd worden. Het internationale netwerk wordt steeds belangrijker in het onderwijs. Het is voor studenten natuurlijk geweldig om intensieve workshops van topwetenschappers te krijgen. Trouwens, ook van buiten de universiteit is er aandacht voor pre-islamitisch Arabië: het Rijksmuseum van Oudheden heeft plannen er een tentoonstelling aan wijden.”
Bron: http://hum.leidenuniv.nl/medewerkers/forum/interviews/sijpesteijn-308.html, 30-05-2008.
De kans is Reëel dat als ik voor zulke dingen, indien ik het op tijd weet echt wel af kom. Dat is tenminste niet zo onhaalbaar, moeilijk en duur als naar Londen gaan.
De kans is Reëel dat als ik voor zulke dingen, indien ik het op tijd weet echt wel af kom. Dat is tenminste niet zo onhaalbaar, moeilijk en duur als naar Londen gaan.
Dat moet je zeker doen. Dan rapen we wel het halve Nederlandse fora bij elkaar om samen wat te gaan drinken ofzoiets.
GenosseGeneral
06-09-2010, 21:05
student who is heading towards his exam with a heavy focus on sciences in 2012. So also more a pragmatist, since it will be much easier to get a job as some kind of engineer than to get one as historian... which many people saw as my goal when i was smalll and telling them that stuff i read in those history books for kids. History is for me also more some kind of hobby thing i am interested in, but see no chances for getting a job. I think I decided that way because German newspaers are always complaining about the lack and coming lack of educated professionals, especially for the industry.
student who is heading towards his exam with a heavy focus on sciences in 2012. So also more a pragmatist, since it will be much easier to get a job as some kind of engineer than to get one as historian... which many people saw as my goal when i was smalll and telling them that stuff i read in those history books for kids. History is for me also more some kind of hobby thing i am interested in, but see no chances for getting a job. I think I decided that way because German newspaers are always complaining about the lack and coming lack of educated professionals, especially for the industry.
There seem to be alot of people who read history and archaeology for a hobby. I have noticed that the truly vicious arguments tend to occur between historians and archaeologists, however.
Lvcretivs
06-10-2010, 14:42
Yes, judging from my own experiences, there's really a rather special 'love-hate-relationship' between these mutual dependent fields - but it's a very productive 'Hassliebe' ;)
I'm studying Classical Archeology and Art History (BA, 2nd semester) at a German university.
My best girl friend (platonic!) is in archaeology. I find the two complimentary, so it's allll gooood...
Macilrille
06-11-2010, 08:37
Obviously you never heard two historians discuss...
I suggest you search for Frank Landes and Andre Günther (sp) Frank and see what comes up.
Or if you read danish Rikke Malmros and Niels Lund.
It can go on for years, the Malmros - Lund debate has for 13 years now.
Apázlinemjó
06-11-2010, 09:11
Yes, judging from my own experiences, there's really a rather special 'love-hate-relationship' between these mutual dependent fields - but it's a very productive 'Hassliebe' ;)
I totally agree with that. At my uni, the senior lecturer of the Department of Ancient History and the senior lecturer of the Department of Archeology are "archenemies".
Andronikos
06-11-2010, 10:11
Why is that? Could it be compared to theoreticians - experimenters relationship in natural sciences?
I regret to say that I only have a High School diploma, with no real plans to pursue further education. Due to intense laziness and some... rough times as a teenager, I posses neither the grades, nor the standardized test scores to enter a good college; never mind the whole financial aspect of that endeavor. However, if I were to enroll in an institution of higher education, the most plausible majors for me, considering my interests, would be history, archaeology, or biology. A degree in English would be a distant fourth, if only because I do not hold that major in particularly high regard compared to the others when it comes to job prospects, despite my love of writing. Ironically, my fifth choice for a major would be mathematics, despite my utter ineptitude at any field of mathematics more advanced or difficult than geometry.
Of course, my sub-par performance in mathematics could be chalked up to my teachers, all of whom failed in making the material they taught seem relevant to my life. Still, I'm not entirely sure if it's that, a genuine weakness in my mathematical capabilities, or both. In any case, it's a pretty big hurdle in regards to gaining a degree in any math-heavy field.
...
On a final note, I believe that years of exposure to the internet has literally sapped my intelligence. It's a miracle I can even type in complete sentences with (semi)proper grammar and spelling.
Thank you oh mighty America and your fair and humane rules:no:
Almost going to the university, 4 months left :smile:
~Jirisys (Suck it blue!)
Thank you oh mighty America and your fair and humane rules:no:
Almost going to the university, 4 months left :smile:
~Jirisys (Suck it blue!)
I thought the forum didn't allow socialists like you. Oh, dang nevermind. It makes exception for y'all.
~Vartan (dang it!)
p.s. what are fair rules? there are no fair rules (case in point: tourney rules: EB)
Hannibal Khan the Great
06-15-2010, 06:07
p.s. what are fair rules? there are no fair rules (case in point: tourney rules: EB)
Damn straight!!! :smash:
Apázlinemjó
06-15-2010, 11:27
Damn straight!!! :smash:
Like xes ttub esirprus!
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