Official Napoleon website launches

[Fisherking]

Official Napoleon website launches

http://www.totalwar.com/napoleon/?t=EnglishUK


I posted this in the other thread but maybe it deserves a little wider discussion.

Love it our hate it, it is coming and it will effect ETW also.

At least that is what they said...

:laugh4:

[Northnovas]

I guess its finally started. This is the era I was really looking forward to in TW series. However, I won't be lured by shiny trinkets of special editions and free DLC. I will wait well after the release date and see how it stands up to the Org community.

Something about fool me once shame on you...........

[Megas Methuselah]

:shrug:

I wonder if they'll put any focus on another front of the Napoleonic Wars, that is, the War of 1812. CA might have gave itself another chance to get the Native American tribes right this time; I do not, however, expect them to get anything right. They didn't in ETW, and they didn't in Warpath. What makes NTW any different? They'll probably just cast my protests aside and shout, "New units, better graphics, a French military genius! Come get sum!"

[Fisherking]

I hear you Cousin...

Some day there may be mod tools to care for it.

NTW seems a bit limited to me for all its touted new features.


It has two week turns but is missing everything from 1812 to 1815 so no Waterloo unless that is the expansion.

[antisocialmunky]

Skipping 25% of the Napoleonic Wars I see. What good signs...

Yes I realize I'm being petty...

[SwordsMaster]

What about the Ashanti campaigns? Or the Gabir empire's campaigns against the Fulani? The Sokoto empire? It's SO unfair and unhistorical to leave them out...

/Follow with continued youtube outrage rant/

[Discoman]

No 1812-1815? That's really annoying. It's like when they said Empire would probably go into the Napoleonic era, but it ended just when Napoleon would take power. I wonder if the enemy AI will actually be good during battles.

[Fisherking]

No 1812-1815? That's really annoying. It's like when they said Empire would probably go into the Napoleonic era, but it ended just when Napoleon would take power. I wonder if the enemy AI will actually be good during battles.

Well that isn’t quite right. The game ends in 1812 but beginning or end of the year I am not sure...

However, the turns are every two weeks which means 26 turns per year.

Everything confirmed in the game is listed in the sticky thread up above on page 4.

[Sheogorath]

The British faction description implies that the game starts in 1805. I guess that means...uh, the middle of the Third Coalition...which means no Suvurov :(

It seems kinda dumb, IMO. Start it around 1790. Let us fight the French Revolutionaries too.

But I guess that would be FAR too much work to put into a mere 40 dollar 'stand alone expansion'.

[edyzmedieval]

I guess its finally started. This is the era I was really looking forward to in TW series. However, I won't be lured by shiny trinkets of special editions and free DLC. I will wait well after the release date and see how it stands up to the Org community.

Something about fool me once shame on you...........

I hope you realise the fact that TW games aren't meant to be played with gunpowder weapons...

[DisruptorX]

I hope you realise the fact that TW games aren't meant to be played with gunpowder weapons...

All the Total War games except Rome have gunpowder weapons....

[antisocialmunky]

It seems kinda dumb, IMO. Start it around 1790. Let us fight the French Revolutionaries too.


Ewww. That was a pretty nasty period of time. Perhaps, it would be better to start during the period where states were invading France to put another Monarch on the throne.

That's where Napoleon made a name for himself IIRC.

[edyzmedieval]

All the Total War games except Rome have gunpowder weapons....

Because they had to include them, but 95% of the battles are without gunpowder weapons.

When 95% of the battles are made of gunpowder, then it becomes a problem.

[AussieGiant]

Because they had to include them, but 95% of the battles are without gunpowder weapons.

When 95% of the battles are made of gunpowder, then it becomes a problem.

I do not agree.

From the very beginning Shogun had missile weapons. Range, ballistics, arc of fire, damage and rate of fire has all been incorporated.

It not a problem at all to move into this period. The problem begins when you start moving away from single shot weapons and also introducing advanced weapons...that and the end of cavalry and the introduction of mechanised platforms.

[Fisherking]

I don’t see any of this.

For about 4000 years or so we have had three categories of men on the field of battle.

The infantry, the artillery, and the cavalry.

Infantry provides close quarters assault and staying power.

Artillery provides ranged weapon supporting fires to the fighting.

And Cavalry provides speed and maneuverability.

Even aircraft fall into these categories if you look at it in the light of what happens on the ground.

Today all combatants carry some sort of ranged weapon but still fall into these categories.

Game mechanics can be redone to accommodate speed, firepower, and troop density.

It is a little like saying that the wheel stops being useful when you get rid of the horse.

[Sheogorath]

Ewww. That was a pretty nasty period of time. Perhaps, it would be better to start during the period where states were invading France to put another Monarch on the throne.

That's where Napoleon made a name for himself IIRC.

I dunno, the early French revolutionary armies could be fun in a mini-campaign. Run around kicking the ass of everybody around you, sort of thing ;)

[edyzmedieval]

I do not agree.

From the very beginning Shogun had missile weapons. Range, ballistics, arc of fire, damage and rate of fire has all been incorporated.

It not a problem at all to move into this period. The problem begins when you start moving away from single shot weapons and also introducing advanced weapons...that and the end of cavalry and the introduction of mechanised platforms.

Teppos are hard to use in STW, that's why the majority of players didn't use them.
In M2TW, when the AI starts recruiting arquebusiers and musketeers, its 1500s by then, so its almost over.


Total War isn't suited for gunpowder battles. Period.

IMHO of course.

[antisocialmunky]

STW was really gamey and bullets could have been more realistically balanced. Don't mistake gameplay balance for faulty game play mechanics.

That being said, gunpowder wasn't THAT effective during that period which is why people were still running around stabbing each other. Neither was it all that dominant in the Pre-ETW games. You have to remember, that guns only became the primary weapon after the 1600s. Before then they were used in mixed formations. Its only in the late 19th and 20th century that the gun completely made most melee weapons obsolete.