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Ionut Alex
11-07-2009, 13:19
I have to ask a question that really bugged me. Since I now study Arabic I am very interested in Arabic civilization as well. In EB there is the faction of Sab`yn but will EB 2 have other factions in the Arabic Peninsula? (I certainly hope it will pls pls pls :sultan:)
All the Best
Skullheadhq
11-07-2009, 13:20
We dunno, no Arabian faction has been previewed yet, not even the Sab'yn.
IIRC Moros stated that there will be no southern arabian factions (Hadramaut, Qataban etc) but that still leaves the possiblity of northern ones like Palmyra and the Nabataean kingdom.
IIRC Moros stated that there will be no southern arabian factions (Hadramaut, Qataban etc)
Of course with the exception being Saba'.
What other options are there well the Nabataeans are an option, but they're quite in the dark when it comes to their early history. We know they were there already by the 3century BC and that they were able to withstand the makedonians in 312 BC. Sources of their early military are scarce (I looked into them) and are mostly limited to petroglyohs. Only their late army has some good sources (reliefs from petra). But that is rather late in game. Their early socio-political structure is pretty in the dark as well. However they will appear as regionals though. Probably even a camelunit which would be cool and historical. Other northern factions at our start date would be the Qedar, though they wouldn't last long after our timeframe. Possibly they didn't even make it to our start date. Of course you have some obscure nomad tribes (for example the debae), we know barely anything about and weren't much important either. The south well I already went over that last time. Then we have the east. The lands of Makah, which were once persian and later would be controlled by the Parthians/sassanids, were quite important when it came to trade. And while we do have some limited historical information on them and some archeological finds, we just know wat too little of them to make them a faction. If they even were united in some way? The more northern parts of the East coast was largely an empty area. The grand exception though would have been Gerrha or han-hagar. But as we don't even really know where it exactly was, it's obvious we can't justify it.
On Palmyra I never did that much reading, I did look at some archeological evidence looking for unit concepts. However they struck me to only be viable as a faction in a first centuries AD mod. Ofcourse if someone has an idea for an Arabian faction or disagrees with some of the above, who knows what happens if you make a solid case?
Edit: Also where do study Arabian, if I may ask?
I have to ask a question that really bugged me. Since I now study Arabic I am very interested in Arabic civilization as well. In EB there is the faction of Sab`yn but will EB 2 have other factions in the Arabic Peninsula? (I certainly hope it will pls pls pls :sultan:)
All the Best
of course there will be more: as long as I, an Arab-American, shall remain here, there will be more homies:clown:
but seriously, I think Moros nailed it perfectly: documentation is poor when it comes to this timeframe :shame:
antisocialmunky
11-08-2009, 15:48
Is there that much documentation on them before they zerged N. Africa, Iberia, and Central Asia?
Ionut Alex
11-08-2009, 16:35
@ Moros I am a student at the University in Bucharest the Foreign Languages Collage first year :2thumbsup:
@ Moros I am a student at the University in Bucharest the Foreign Languages Collage first year :2thumbsup:
Well good luck with your studies! :)
But don't worry with about 30 Arabian units, you will have your fun playing as them.
Ionut Alex
11-08-2009, 19:36
Thank you I am sure that it will be loads of fun jut the idea of a confrontation with Rome or Egypt get my excited :beam:
the man with no name
11-11-2009, 01:29
IIRC Moros stated that there will be no southern arabian factions (Hadramaut, Qataban etc) but that still leaves the possiblity of northern ones like Palmyra and the Nabataean kingdom.
of course there will be more: as long as I, an Arab-American, shall remain here, there will be more homies:clown:
but seriously, I think Moros nailed it perfectly: documentation is poor when it comes to this timeframe :shame:
I'm putting my money on Palmyra and Nabateia. The first because it will hamper the :egypt: from becoming yellow fever and the latter because we need more arabic factions!
I'm putting my money on Palmyra and Nabateia. The first because it will hamper the :egypt: from becoming yellow fever and the latter because we need more arabic factions!
Shouldn't you know already? you have a team member sig.:inquisitive:
It seemed fairly clear (not 100%) from Moros's post that neither would be in.
the man with no name
11-11-2009, 02:13
Shouldn't you know already? you have a team member sig.:inquisitive:
It seemed fairly clear (not 100%) from Moros's post that neither would be in.
Yeah but he's an EBII member so he could be tricking us... Probaly not because he's "EB's spreader of truth" ;D
Well its good that the Saba are atleast in. In EBI they are a pretty unique, distinct and fun faction. I can't wait to see how they will look like in EBII.
Though I hope that there will atleast be more Middle Eastern or Asian factions, or just more barbarians for the Seleukids to squash. :smash:
Yeah but he's an EBII member so he could be tricking us... Probaly not because he's "EB's spreader of truth" ;D
Honestly I never understand why people don't trust Moros, when he is telling fibs it's always pretty obvious, most the time he's actually quite truthful.
Are you a member of the EB team though? I ask because you don't seem to know what the other faction are which seems a bit strange if you were making the mod, if you aren't you shouldn't have that sig as it's reserved for the people making EB.
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 05:04
Are you a member of the EB team though? I ask because you don't seem to know what the other faction are which seems a bit strange if you were making the mod, if you aren't you shouldn't have that sig as it's reserved for the people making EB.
Why? Only EB team members can quote Gamegeek?
I dunno, I think we might be seeing different sigs or something. :sweatdrop:
A Very Super Market
11-12-2009, 05:30
Only EB team members are supposed to wear an EB team member's sig...
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 05:40
That's what I'm saying - he doesn't have one.
A Very Super Market
11-12-2009, 05:45
Then you must have some setting preventing you from seeing the Sweboz EB team member sig under him.
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 06:20
Well, in IE, the only thing remotely Sweboz-related in this thread is Bobbin's signature. So, I don't know. There isn't like, a small box with an X inside it, there' just nothing there. No pictures.
This is how I see his signature:
https://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/desertSypglass/Sig.jpg
Then you must have some setting preventing you from seeing the Sweboz EB team member sig under him.
The sig is definately there. so, 2 people can see it. Do you bow to peer pressure or continue to deny seeing it. Hmm, the choices. I gotta subscribe to this one. :yes:
EDIT: @Azathoth, the sig I can see i directly between below the gamegeek quote and directly above the 'Campaigns completed' thing. In that little white space....except in mine its a big white space, and it has a sweboz eb member sig of a guy with a sword and shield and an axe stuck in the front of his shield.
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 06:28
The proof is in the screenshot.
A Very Super Market
11-12-2009, 06:28
Then you must have some setting preventing you from seeing the Sweboz EB team member sig under him.
:bow:
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 06:32
I cant see it in Firefox either.
IS THIS SOME KIND OF PRACTICAL JOKE?
I cant see it in Firefox either.
IS THIS SOME KIND OF PRACTICAL JOKE?
Check your user CP. Each person should also have 2 (two!!!) user pictures on the left of their profile. But you can disable the big one if you are on dial-up internet or want to save bandwidth. Check to see that you have it enabled, or somehting. maybe its stoping pics from appearing in sigs for you.
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 06:47
Holy Jesus. After all these years...
This has opened entirely new and unimaginably terrifying vistas of reality.
It's like reaching out to the Force and being enveloped in the whole of the Galaxy for the first time.
Holy Jesus. After all these years...
This has opened entirely new and unimaginably terrifying vistas of reality.
It's like reaching out to the Force and being enveloped in the whole of the Galaxy for the first time.
Wear sunglasses for the first few hours. :dizzy2:
Only EB team members are supposed to wear an EB team member's sig...
Actually, now that is solved it comes back to the main question. Is that guy using the sig a team member or is he just claiming to be one? If he is one, why doesn't he know whats going on?
Azathoth
11-12-2009, 07:01
Well, TMWNN is like 13 or 14, so I doubt he is on the team.
I honestly believe Moros should change his forum name to "Prince of Lies" because of his habit of seemingly innocently spreading misinformation and half-truths within the more speculative threads.
The proof is in the screenshot.
Indeed
https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/0404625/wwwww.jpg
Actually, now that is solved it comes back to the main question. Is that guy using the sig a team member or is he just claiming to be one? If he is one, why doesn't he know whats going on?
I don't think he's purposefully claiming to be a team member, he most likely doesn't know its just reserved for the EB team.
He is not an EBmember. It's quite easy to check wether someone is as well. On his profile page there's a box with groupmemberships. Those determine if you have acces to hidden forums. The most prominent being the Gameroom and the backroom. Every EB member has acces to our hidden forums and thus is a member of the group EB. (compare his box to mine for example).
Andronikos
11-13-2009, 00:07
WOW, you guys who revealed to the second avatars deserve a legion of balloons.
Indeed
https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/0404625/wwwww.jpg
I don't think he's purposefully claiming to be a team member, he most likely doesn't know its just reserved for the EB team.
WOAH WOAH WOAH
What's that jazz above his SFTS avatar?
A Very Super Market
11-13-2009, 23:33
Subotan, you are funny.
Anyways, we should get this back on topic. Being thoroughly uneducated on pre-modern history, I have a few questions. Were the Saba and friends they same Arabs that rode up to the Levantine centuries later?
Subotan, you are funny.
Anyways, we should get this back on topic. Being thoroughly uneducated on pre-modern history, I have a few questions. Were the Saba and friends they same Arabs that rode up to the Levantine centuries later?
no, they weren't.
Saba was populated by a south arabian tribe, speaking a south semetic language (sabaic, or Epigrapic south Arabia). these tribes were typically urban and agrarian, wth the occasional nomadic groups. surviving examples of south arabian languages/groups are: soqtri, mehri, etc. (I don't recall all groups from south arabia)
Arabs are the only surviving colutral group from the north arabian peoples, and speak a north arabian language (arabic). their languages/cultures are more akin to Hebrew or Phoenician cultures. other groups/languages are: lihyanite, thamudic, safaitic, etc. most were nomads or small city dwellers, but none were as urban as the south arabian peoples, up until the 3rd century AD, when arabs began to urbanize in Iraq and the holy land (under the auspices of the lakhmids, tanukhids, ghassanids). one group of arabs ended up in Khuzestan, where they still speaak arabic to this day.
there is actually a story about how an Arab who came to visit a himyarite King (south arabian), was told by the king to, and I quote: "thibb". in south arabian dialects, that meant "sit!", but in northern arabian dialects, it meant/means: "leap!". the arab, having no clue to that, ran to the nearest window and jumped off it to his death. (I learned this story in 8th grade from me Arabic teacher).
Arabs are the only surviving colutral group from the north arabian peoples, and speak a north arabian language (arabic).
Interesting. What happened to the other north Arabian cultures?
Ionut Alex
11-14-2009, 19:17
I kind of feel bad for the Arab that jumped Ibrahim although I know the feeling of not understanding all that you should Arabic grammar kills me :embarassed:I'm very happy I know a few words though so let the learning commence and let more Arabic factions battle-out in EB2 :smash:
A question though Why isn't Hadramawut or Qataban a good choice for a faction in EB2 from what I have read they were pretty important tribes back then
Interesting. What happened to the other north Arabian cultures?
they simply blended in with the largest group-namely the Arabs. one exception was a couple of tribes, known as thamud and 'Ad(not to be confused with thamudic, a language and cultural group that was wrongly identified with Thamud). they really got reduced by disaster IIRC. I know that in the tabuk campaign, the muslim army passed by thamud's supposed ruins
I kind of feel bad for the Arab that jumped Ibrahim although I know the feeling of not understanding all that you should Arabic grammar kills me :embarassed:I'm very happy I know a few words though so let the learning commence and let more Arabic factions battle-out in EB2 :smash:
A question though Why isn't Hadramawut or Qataban a good choice for a faction in EB2 from what I have read they were pretty important tribes back then
I am an Arab; well, half an Arab, as my mom is from Ohio. and I think you misunderstood the story, which was supposed to have happened 1,500 years ago, long before I was born..
Ionut Alex
11-15-2009, 08:55
I did understud the time frame you were talking about I was just making a comment on the story you told
A question though Why isn't Hadramawut or Qataban a good choice for a faction in EB2 from what I have read they were pretty important tribes back then
from TWC (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5881973#post5881973)
Not sure where the specific statement is that relates to Hadramaut but i think the reason was the same.
For the Qatabân it would be possible to make them, as they would be most similar to the Sabaeans. However an almost indentical faction which would be either killed or would kill the other almost right after the game start seems a bit much to me. Considering our map which would give both factions a single province. Representing these struggles would thus be most appropriate using rebels and scripts.
The Hadramawt are people we know not too much about. We have some archeological finds that allow us to make a regional unit or perhaps a few ones. But we know barely anything about their state, their politics,... They didn't leave us with as much epigraphic evidence on the more complicated stuff. Thanks to Beeston and those who took his work further, we do know how the sabaeans military was organised. We have more evidence that depict them, and we have much more info on their culture, history,...
Also we have only 10 slots for an Area from Ireland to India. While South West Arabia should be imo represented. Two or three factions are just way overboard. Therefore we decided that using regionals and some scripts would be a better way to illustrate the various different 'nations' and peoples in the area.
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