Hayasdan

[Scutarii]

First time playing as them and a few queries.

All of their territories in the immediate vicinity are all type 3 and 4 governments and I can only imagine this holds true for places further afield so can I get type 1 or type 2 government at all? (even other fractured tribal types like the Lusotannan get type 1 and 2's in some places).

Related to that is this, what does the trait 'Royal Eye' do? After reading it I assumed it meant that an FM could be in a Type 3 or 4 (and thus pass on his management and influence bonuses) without accruing 'Interloper' unrest penalties. Does it mean that I can have an FM in the type 3/4 alongside a merc general?

Early on I can't afford eastern merc generals so this means all of my characters economic abilities are completely useless which seems really...lame.

Finally, anyone else playing on hard campaign/medium battle how do you deal with a belligerent AS only 20 turns in? I decided not to support Pahlava and remain pro-AS but they declared on me immediately after and have been sending 5-6 unit stacks at me every few turns, means that my army has to keep on chasing them off and so I cannot expand much at all (I've managed to take Kotais, Trapezous and Mtskheta) and my finances are in trouble...Suggestions?

[GMT]

You should read the EB FAQ, this has to do with the Haydastan reforms.

Quoted from the FAQ:

Hayasdan: 2
Pan-Caucasus Empire Reform
Part1:
-Upgrade Armavir to a Large Town
-Build in Armavir a (market), (roads), (town_garrison)(L1 law), and (sanitize)(L1 health).
= (Homeland resource will appear in Armavir)

Part 2:
-Build a Type1 government in Armavir
= (Improved government resources will appear around the Caucasus region)

Part 3:
-Build Type3 or better governments in these cities (Armavir, Karkathiokerta, Ani-Kamah, Phraaspa, Kotais, Trapezous, Kabalaka, Mtskheta)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Amaseia and Mazaka)
Persian Reform
-Build Type3 governments in these cities (Arbela, Seleukeia, Babylon, Ekbatana, Charax, Susa, and Persepolis)
-Build (persiapart) in these cities (Susa and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Susa, and Persepolis)

Western Expansion 2:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Ekbatana, Seleukeia, Babylon, and Charax)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Susa and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Ekbatana, Seleukeia, Babylon, and Charax)

Western Expansion 3:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Palmyra, Edessa, and Arbela)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Ekbatana, Seleukeia, Babylon, Charax, Susa, and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Palmyra, Edessa, and Arbela)

Western Expansion 4:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Tarsos, Antiocheia, and Damaskos)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Palmyra, Edessa, Arbela, Ekbatana, Seleukeia, Babylon, Charax, Susa, and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Tarsos, Antiocheia, and Damaskos)

Eastern Expansion 2a:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Zadrakata, Apameia, and Gabai)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Susa and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Zadrakata, Apameia, and Gabai)

Eastern Expansion 2b:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Karmana and Gabai)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Susa and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Karmana and Gabai)

Eastern Expansion 3a:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Asaak, Hekatompylos, and Alexandreia-Ariane)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Zadrakata, Apameia, Gabai, Karmana, Susa, and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Asaak, Hekatompylos, and Alexndreia-Ariane)

Eastern Expansion 3b:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Pura, Alexandropolis, Prophthasia, and Alexandreia-Ariane)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Zadrakata, Apameia, Gabai, Karmana, Susa, and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resources will appear in Pura, Alexandropolis, Prophthasia, and Alexandreia-Ariane)

Eastern Expasion 4:
-Build Type3 governments and (persiapart) in these cities (Baktra, Antiocheia-Margiane, and Kophen)
-Build (persiafull) in these cities (Pura, Alexandropolis, Prophthasia, Alexandreia-Ariane, Zadrakata, Apameia, Gabai, Karmana, Susa, and Persepolis)
= (Subjugation resrouces will appear in Baktra, Antiocheia-Margiane, and Kophen)

The Royal Eye trait just means that they're a direct representative (satrap) of the Hay king, they are still FMs so can only govern in type I, II or III gov without getting the Interloper trait.

[vartan]

All I can say is be aggressive, because if you aren't aggressive now, you will regret it later.

[Hax]

Stone walls, caucasian archers, caucasian slingers, and some infantry (the best would be Georgian, but meh). With this setup you can hold some pretty large AS armies off.

[Olaf The Great]

You don't get any heavily armoured units until the Pan-Caucas reforms.

[ziegenpeter]

You don't get any heavily armoured units until the Pan-Caucas reforms.

Get them quick! Its like christmas and birthday at the same moment!

[Scutarii]

Thanks for the info.

I managed to weather the storm for a while and had taken Kotais, Trapezous, Mtskheta and Kabalaka and started building a city upgrade for Armavir (almost got the reforms...). I had a 5 unit army of pure HA's guarding me from Phraaspa, using the distance to whittle away at the smaller stacks coming from that side and my main army (3x caucasian archers, 2 x caucasian slingers, 4x FM's, 1 x Eastern Javelin, 4x caucasian spear and 2 x armenian spear) defending against increasingly larger stacks from Kharkatiokherta.

For whatever reason AS seemed to have a major grudge with me for daring to remain their ally, I briefly removed FOW and they've lost swathes of land to the Ptolies (antioch, edessa, damascus, palmyra, bostra,babylon!) and they still move all of their troops against me. I decided to restart when I saw 2 full (20 unit) stacks with good FM's and a fair number of pezhetairoi/phalanx marching right towards me.

I was amazed, first time I've ever faced an aggressive AS. I usually play as Pontos and end up taking Asia Minor to Charax and all in between pretty reliably.

Got to say though, I do like the Hayasdan and will be trying again soon. After some more success as Pontos though, Zadrakarta doesn't conquer itself you know...

[Nyz]

I have finished the Persian Reform for Hayasdan and have built type 1 gov in Susa and Persepolis, but my Faction Leader still don't get the title "Shahan Shah". It has to do with the arrival of Eleutheroi Diplomat Isaac at Armavir? I am waiting to him to be spawned but no sight of him.

[artavazd]

I have finished the Persian Reform for Hayasdan and have built type 1 gov in Susa and Persepolis, but my Faction Leader still don't get the title "Shahan Shah". It has to do with the arrival of Eleutheroi Diplomat Isaac at Armavir? I am waiting to him to be spawned but no sight of him.

I think he gets the title "Arkahen Arkah" Armenian for King of Kings.

[Nyz]

I think he gets the title "Arkahen Arkah" Armenian for King of Kings.

Yes, he get Arkahen Arkah after I finished pan-caucasus Hayasdan reform long ago.

When I finished pan-caucasus Hayasdan reform, Isaac was spawned around Armavir and then after a turn, my faction leader get Arkahen Arkah.

so, from the EBBS script,

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;; Check Susa for gov1, if true set counter 2.
monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName Susa
and I_LocalFaction romans_scipii
and SettlementIsLocal
and SettlementBuildingExists = gov1
and I_CompareCounter PR_Appendix1 = 1

spawn_character slave Isaac, diplomat, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 63, , x 229, y 144
;console_command give_ancillary "Isaac" ShahanshahAncillary
set_counter PR_Appendix1 2

end_monitor

;; Check Persepolis for gov1, if true set counter 2.
monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName Persepolis
and I_LocalFaction romans_scipii
and SettlementIsLocal
and SettlementBuildingExists = gov1
and I_CompareCounter PR_Appendix1 = 1

spawn_character slave Isaac, diplomat, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 63, , x 229, y 144
;console_command give_ancillary "Isaac" ShahanshahAncillary
set_counter PR_Appendix1 2

end_monitor

;; Check counter, if 3 kill diplomat and set counter 4
monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType romans_julii
and I_LocalFaction romans_scipii
and I_CompareCounter PR_Appendix1 = 2

console_command kill_character Isaac
set_counter PR_Appendix1 3

end_monitor
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After I built Gov1 in Susa and Persepolis, (I can build Gov1 at Susa and Persepolis after I finished PERSIAFULL in 6 regions) Isaac should be spawned around Armavir and give the Faction Leader the trait of Shahan Shah.
But, I am waiting for him to be spawned and give the title Shahan Shah to my faction leader,but until now he don't appear.


Am I missing something?