I don't think I've ever seen a cataphract reenactor until now [Archive]

russia almighty

11-11-2009, 04:09

It's a little outside of the EB timeframe, but I've never seen this before until today

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Ancient_Sasanid_Cataphract_Uther_Oxford_2003_06_2%281%29.jpg

The reenactor looks pretty scary. I wonder how someone on the receiving end of the charge had to feel.

I felt like posting this because it's the closest I've seen to an EB Kataphraktoi in real life.

A Very Super Market

11-11-2009, 04:25

I wouldn't care if they called that a Hungarian Hussar, that's just plain awesome. Must have been time-consuming making all that.

antisocialmunky

11-11-2009, 05:13

Must have cost a arm and a leg.

Cute Wolf

11-11-2009, 05:42

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Ancient_Sasanid_Cataphract_Uther_Oxford_2003_06_2%281%29.jpg

OMG! He looks closer to those vanilla Cataphracts! Just look for his conical helmet and the large scales of his horsey's armour.... perhaps he never look for EB before? :laugh4:

A Very Super Market

11-11-2009, 06:01

Perhaps you speak of the Sassanid cataphract he's explicitly labelled as?

Cute Wolf

11-11-2009, 06:07

Perhaps you speak of the Sassanid cataphract he's explicitly labelled as?

Yeah, I know that he was Sassanian Katas, but he looks more closer to those vanillas....

ARCHIPPOS

11-11-2009, 08:34

heheh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ur3iV6Z34

antisocialmunky

11-11-2009, 14:57

Yeah, I know that he was Sassanian Katas, but he looks more closer to those vanillas....

No, this is a vanilla cataphract reenactor...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=266&stc=1&d=1257947820

Also, hot linking bad.

Apázlinemjó

11-11-2009, 15:19

No, this is a vanilla cataphract reenactor...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=266&stc=1&d=1257947820

Also, hot linking bad.

Oh lol.

http://pcmedia.gamespy.com/pc/image/article/533/533806/rome-total-war-20040727114614815.jpg

Quite similar. :clown:

abou

11-11-2009, 16:56

Yeah, I know that he was Sassanian Katas, but he looks more closer to those vanillas....Look up Dura Europos graffiti.

Knight of Heaven

11-11-2009, 17:58

It remindes-me a gay parade. but with kats.

Zradha Pahlavan

11-11-2009, 18:10

heheh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ur3iV6Z34

I didn't know the Scots knew of phalanx tactics. Or that the battle of Stirling Bridge did not, in fact, feature a bridge.

bobbin

11-11-2009, 19:23

I didn't know the Scots knew of phalanx tactics. Or that the battle of Stirling Bridge did not, in fact, feature a bridge.

Scottish pike formations were quite famous during wars of independence era so in that respect the clip was accurate but yes no bridge at the Battle of Stirling Bridge is a bit idiotic.

A Very Super Market

11-11-2009, 19:42

A bit? That's like making a movie about Rommel with no tanks. And set in South America. In 1987.

antisocialmunky

11-12-2009, 02:20

Well to be fair, they ran out of money for both a bridge battle and a castle battle and inaccurate face paint.

mountaingoat

11-12-2009, 08:03

they mooned them till they could take no more?

Macilrille

11-12-2009, 11:19

The "Kata" on the pic looks more like some of the Germanisc Iron Age offshots we know best from the Wendel graves in Sweden.

And the Russel Crowe Robin Hood film did not feel they had money to get some proper re-enactors over (us) to do the fighting scenes and big battles. They apparently believe the travel expenses plus standard wage for 50 Danes and 100+ Brits working in UK would make the film go bust.

Ludens

11-12-2009, 22:11

Scottish pike formations were quite famous during wars of independence era so in that respect the clip was accurate but yes no bridge at the Battle of Stirling Bridge is a bit idiotic.

True, but the film made it appear like Wallace reinvented the pike. The makers claim that Braveheart is a Celtic fantasy. I agree, as long as one places the emphasis on fantasy.

anubis88

11-13-2009, 00:43

I didn't know the Scots knew of phalanx tactics. Or that the battle of Stirling Bridge did not, in fact, feature a bridge.

Heh, i read somewhere that a local a the shooting of the film ask the director(producer dunno) why there is no bridge...
The Director replied: "because it was in the way"
Then The guy replied: " that's what the English thought as well:beam::beam::beam:"

antisocialmunky

11-13-2009, 04:15

True, but the film made it appear like Wallace reinvented the pike. The makers claim that Braveheart is a Celtic fantasy. I agree, as long as one places the emphasis on fantasy.

I liked the chariot battle shield wall spear thing from Gladiator more.

Macilrille

11-13-2009, 09:57

Ludens

11-13-2009, 12:20

I have yet to see any cinematic depiction of anything concerning military history and/or war- fighting- melee- you-name-it, come close to the actual thing.

Edited to add what I forgot cause my ferret sounded very ill and had to be checked, except Stalingrad. That is not too bad.

Have you seen "Tora! Tora! Tora!"? I understand it is pretty accurate. It certainly seems more like a documentary than a film.

BTW, which "Stalingrad"-film are you referring to?

antisocialmunky

11-13-2009, 14:08

Its the German one I believe. That one that starts out really happy and then gets super ridiculously depressing.

vartan

11-13-2009, 14:36

I have yet to see any cinematic depiction of anything concerning military history and/or war- fighting- melee- you-name-it, come close to the actual thing.

And what my friend would be the "actual thing"? hmm? :inquisitive:

Olaf The Great

11-13-2009, 17:16

I suppose downfall counts as a retelling of the fall of Berlin, and that truely was an amazing film.

bobbin

11-13-2009, 18:49

True, but the film made it appear like Wallace reinvented the pike. The makers claim that Braveheart is a Celtic fantasy. I agree, as long as one places the emphasis on fantasy.

Oh yes i completely agree its about as accurate as The Patriot, that other godawful mel gibson "historical" film.

Skullheadhq

11-13-2009, 19:53

Real history is not shown on TV, go read a book.

athanaric

11-13-2009, 20:20

But it could be, that's the point. It would be so easy to just consult some decent historians and actually try to do what they say. Instead we get served the same crap again and again and again.

I'm still hoping to see a realistic movie about something in the EB timeframe, especially something with cataphracts and a proper rendition of "Eastern" peoples...
(likewise I'm still waiting for a decent Lord of the Rings film, but that won't come for some time)

Dutchhoplite

11-13-2009, 21:07

Oh yes i completely agree its about as accurate as The Patriot, that other godawful mel gibson "historical" film.

Or "Apocalypto" what a horrible piece of garbage that was.

Mel Gibson should be forbidden to do anything else with history :no:

ARCHIPPOS

11-13-2009, 21:22

well admittedly there are some war movies which are waaaaay better than most...
I'ld recommend ...
-"Paths Of Glory" (Stanley Kubrick so you know it's great!!!)
-"The Battle Of Algiers" amazing, mindblowing movie on politics and revolutionary violence...
-"Das Boot" (not the English dubbed version though)
-"The Thin Red Line"
-i also liked "Jarhead" a lot...

those films capture the essence and moral implications of modern warfare with minimal or almost-none Hollywood cheesiness...

Duguntz

11-13-2009, 22:22

guys guys guys, let's stop the movie bashing! If you wanna learn something stop to complain that the movies are ahistorical or any shit like that god damn, movie are for entertainment, if you want education, watch a documentary, discovery channel or get up from your computer and read a damn book.

Mel Gipson did a great job with every of his movies and it's not because he didn't worked day and night with an historian that YOU have the right to discreditate his movie!

all your bashing is as significant as bashing on the movie 300 for ''ahistorical'' reason

I've a good one for you : there are some movie wich are only for entertainment!

A Very Super Market

11-13-2009, 23:26

Das Boot is not as realistic as you think. The writer of the book denounced the movie as a bunch of lies. Although unwarranted, this is the truth. You see the experienced crew whimpering meekly under depth charge attack, enough rivets popping to implode the sub 8 times over, and the reporter being subjected to court-martial material actions.

Neither was "The Thin Red Line". I think we can assume that all movies hold some degree of ahistoricality, and let it be. Das Boot is enjoyable regardless of these rather minor faults, and I'm sure there are people who enjoyed Braveheart for reasons other than accuracy. Only the ones who take entertainment for reality are the fools.

ARCHIPPOS

11-14-2009, 00:03

i never said they were "historical " ... no work of art is truly "accurate" (because art stylizes and aestheticaly augments banal reality) i said they were "un-cheesier" and deeper than most war-glorifying Hollywood stuff ... speaking of trashy Mel Gibson historic flics i'ld like to add a decent one i just remembered in hich he starred ...Peter Weir's "Gallipoli"...

antisocialmunky

11-14-2009, 01:23

GI JOE - RISE OF COBRAAAAAAA. Can we move on now?

Azathoth

11-14-2009, 03:26

La 317eme Section. Nuff said.

IrishHitman

11-14-2009, 07:44

Only the ones who take entertainment for reality are the fools.

People who watch Fox News, in other words...

ziegenpeter

11-14-2009, 10:08

I haven't seen them yet but a history interested friend told me that Waterloo and Masada were very accurate movies.

Macilrille

11-14-2009, 11:05

And what my friend would be the "actual thing"? hmm? :inquisitive:

The various forms of war, and even history, they depict- as you know if you are a regular I am both a historian and re-enactor.
The Russel Crowe Robin Hood wanted to make an effort and use the best re-enactors, but at the last moment decided they could not afford it, as if that is going to make its earnings go red, LOL.

I think we should not actually start to bash specific films, bashing has a tendency to turn personal and I am sorry to have started the trend.

Ludens

11-14-2009, 13:39

I think we should not actually start to bash specific films, bashing has a tendency to turn personal and I am sorry to have started the trend.

Good idea. Venting about bad historical accuracy in films has led nowhere in the past.

I am surprised to learn Das Boot is not as accurate as I thought it was. The director went through a lot of trouble to build a realistic German submarine and the cast was not allowed outside during the summer so they would get the pale facial colour of real submarine crews. However, I suppose his motivation was to recreate the atmosphere inside an U-boat, rather than an actual U-boat warfare.

Genava

11-14-2009, 14:57

Some Re-enactors :2thumbsup::
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OqwHvgSsyaE/R1ie5hRkMXI/AAAAAAAAAAY/YO4JPy7rSlg/s400/e014a.jpg

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/download.php?id=7942

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_swP2C6qn3tk/Sar2hGPIbvI/AAAAAAAAA9Y/fepgxn9Oohc/s400/porteshistoire4.jpg

http://schnucks0.free.fr/Cataphractaire/olivcata.jpg

And this forum thread for numerous pictures of steppe warriors.
http://steppes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=board21&action=display&thread=439

The General

11-14-2009, 15:07