Are Scandinavians superior to everyone else? [Archive]

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 21:06

I was just watching a french documentary*, and it struck me; the narrator was talking french! If I was in another country, like England, Germany or Italy, he would've been dubbed, but he wasn't dubbed here. In Norway, Denmark and Sweden we don't dub anything apart from cartoons aimed at 7-year olds(like Lion King), and even those are always screened in two version, one dubbed and one original. French, German, English, whatever, we don't dub things.

But it's done everywhere else. Does this simply make me and my Swedish and Danish friends superior to everyone else on the planet? Why are everyone else afraid of foreign languages, why don't they want to learn them?

*incidentally about Mein Kampf....

Strike For The South

11-15-2009, 21:13

No.

Swedens greatest tradition is stealing meatballs from Italy and putting them in jelly instead of Marninira

Norway still hunts whales because its like that one kid in high school who wanted to be cool so he did really stupid crap to get attention.

Denmark has really done nothing, ever. I really can't say anything bad about them other than there capital cities name is a blatant rip off of smokeless tabacco.

Finlands greateast treasure is killing a whole bunch of Russians....like it's something hard to do.

Iceland just sucks.

Oh and Lutafisk. That's turrible.

The only redeemable lot is the Sami.

Beskar

11-15-2009, 21:22

About Subbing/Dubbing:

No, it is basically you speak a minority language and the problem is, it costs money to translate it.

This again, also happens vice-versus. There are many films and programmes done in languages such as French/Norwegian/Russian/Etc which simply aren't translated into English, because the people who create it, don't want to pay people to recast the voices and all the effort it might involve to do it, hence, only do a subs.

About Languages:

This is a different issue, but a big problem is, there are simply too many languages to learn. Also with English being the most spoken language and its status of being the international Lingua Franca, majority of people from other nations speak and read/write English thus in England/America/Anglosphere, there isn't a priority in learning other languages as others simply speak English.

Are Scandinavians superior to everyone else?

Obviously the answer is no. Everyone is equal.

Aemilius Paulus

11-15-2009, 21:34

Does this simply make me and my Swedish and Danish friends superior to everyone else on the planet?
Yeah, this and some other factors too.

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 21:38

About Subbing/Dubbing:

No, it is basically you speak a minority language and the problem is, it costs money to translate it.

So is Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek and a bunch of other dubbers.

The difference is that we've got oil to pay for everything, while all they have is unemployed people. So.... Considering that they lack money, and we've got too much to spend, I ask again, why do they translate, while we don't? I mean... Explanations other than us being the greatest people of earth, of course.

Point is; a dubbing stuff doesn't sell to anyone over the age of 10 here. But it does in other countries. Why?

@Strike: I'm going to have to give you the grade "Epic Fail". Scandinavia is just Denmark, Norway and Sweden, it doesn't include Finland or Iceland.

Oh, and hunting whales is awesome, and you know it. Clubbing baby seals is cool too.

Rhyfelwyr

11-15-2009, 21:47

Shifting over to the right in your old age?

Furunculus

11-15-2009, 21:54

I was just watching a french documentary, and it struck me; the narrator was talking french! If I was in another country, like England, Germany or Italy, he would've been dubbed, but he wasn't dubbed here. In Norway, Denmark and Sweden we don't dub anything apart from cartoons aimed at 7-year olds(like Lion King), and even those are always screened in two version, one dubbed and one original. French, German, English, whatever, we don't dub things.

But it's done everywhere else. Does this simply make me and my Swedish and Danish friends superior to everyone else on the planet? Why are everyone else afraid of foreign languages, why don't they want to learn them?

..................... err, we don't need to because in the last 250 years we spent a fair amount of effort getting everyone else to speak our language.

a Finnish friend of mine just got back from three months travelling in E Asia, and he was accosted more than once by pretty girls who just wanted someone to practice their English upon, rather than the usual swarm of beggars and street-sellers.

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

11-15-2009, 22:03

@Strike: I'm going to have to give you the grade "Epic Fail". Scandinavia is just Denmark, Norway and Sweden, it doesn't include Finland or Iceland.

:inquisitive: Picky much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

You Norwegians have always been crazy.

The focus on languages no doubt is a combination of a minority native tongue and a reliance on overseas trade in commerce. Ergo, you went places and needed to talk to people, ergo you learned the local languages.

Your socialised education may actually have been constructed by someone with a brain, as well, rather than by the Labour Party.

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 22:20

:inquisitive: Picky much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

You Norwegians have always been crazy.

The difference between Scandinavia and the North is something we learn upon pain of death at the age of 9. To hear someone say that Finland is a part of Scandinavia hurts me in my special place.

The focus on languages no doubt is a combination of a minority native tongue and a reliance on overseas trade in commerce. Ergo, you went places and needed to talk to people, ergo you learned the local languages.

No we don't actually know the languages.... Almost everyone(except some elderly I guess) knows english, and quite a few people have at least some knowledge of either German or French, but not much more than that. But we have subtitles instead of dubbing, simply because dubbing stuff is.... Well, lame.

Vuk

11-15-2009, 22:24

The difference between Scandinavia and the North is something we learn upon pain of death at the age of 9. To hear someone say that Finland is a part of Scandinavia hurts me in my special place.

No we don't actually know the languages.... Almost everyone(except some elderly I guess) knows english, and quite a few people have at least some knowledge of either German or French, but not much more than that. But we have subtitles instead of dubbing, simply because dubbing stuff is.... Well, lame.

I usually prefer just subtitles too, but I think the reason is money more than anything. The English dubbing on Bruce Lee's movies for instance is soooo awefull!

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 22:28

I usually prefer just subtitles too, but I think the reason is money more than anything. The English dubbing on Bruce Lee's movies for instance is soooo awefull!

Yes, but that goes right to my original question.... Why do you make money dubbing things in your countries, while you'll lose money doing the same here?

Centurion1

11-15-2009, 22:29

how many languages do you know?

i know two am conversational in a third and take a fourth right now. I am also 17 years old. (now having some convenient family members who speak said languages helps, but no matter, the point stands)

appearing a little xenophobic and extremely nationalistic aren't we my lefty foreigner.

oh how the tables have turned.......

Vuk

11-15-2009, 22:30

Yes, but that goes right to my original question.... Why do you make money dubbing things in your countries, while you'll lose money doing the same here?

I think because people (like my family :P) love to watch movies casually and not pay that good of attention (cause they are talking, reading, eating, etc). It is really easy to eat popcorn and listen to people talking in English, and get the general gist of the movie without paying a lot of attention. With subtitles on the other hand, you gotta pay a lot more attention to the movie.

Centurion1

11-15-2009, 22:30

Yes, but that goes right to my original question.... Why do you make money dubbing things in your countries, while you'll lose money doing the same here?

because we arent wasting our money on government programs. so we spend it on whatever we wish, like terribly done dubbing

oh and i always use subtitles on all movies no matter what the language

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

11-15-2009, 22:45

No we don't actually know the languages.... Almost everyone(except some elderly I guess) knows english, and quite a few people have at least some knowledge of either German or French, but not much more than that. But we have subtitles instead of dubbing, simply because dubbing stuff is.... Well, lame.

Oh, is that all. I thought you were making some kind of point. We do the same here these days, it's the current fashion to subtitle.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-15-2009, 22:50

I've never seen a Norwegian movie dubbed here. Well, they never show Norwegian movies here, so...

Centurion1

11-15-2009, 22:53

^ ouch better go get some ice cause that was a burn :laugh4:

Furunculus

11-15-2009, 22:56

No we don't actually know the languages.... Almost everyone(except some elderly I guess) knows english, and quite a few people have at least some knowledge of either German or French, but not much more than that. But we have subtitles instead of dubbing, simply because dubbing stuff is.... Well, lame.

hah, you should try poland, they just lower the original soundtrack volume and put a voice-over of the dialogue done by one person over the top.

painful to watch!

Beskar

11-15-2009, 23:06

hah, you should try poland, they just lower the original soundtrack volume and put a voice-over of the dialogue done by one person over the top.

painful to watch!

I remember in Latvia, they had 2 to 3 sets of subtitles depending, though usually just Latvian and Russian. The clincher was, during one of the movies, they spoke Chinese or something at a scene, and there were no English subtitles! That scene was evil.

Though in another movie, I think it was Rock'n'Roller, they had this Russian bad-guy and everyone was laughing at he was pictured/stereotype, they laughed even more when in a scene they were speaking Russian (Which was also subtitled in English), what the subtitle said and what they actually spoke in Russian were two vastly different things. They spoke something like "damn, it is another scene" and it was subtitled as "Let's go and kill her".

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 23:19

appearing a little xenophobic and extremely nationalistic aren't we my lefty foreigner.

oh how the tables have turned.......

Missed the good ol' irony there, did you? ~;)

I think because people (like my family :P) love to watch movies casually and not pay that good of attention (cause they are talking, reading, eating, etc). It is really easy to eat popcorn and listen to people talking in English, and get the general gist of the movie without paying a lot of attention. With subtitles on the other hand, you gotta pay a lot more attention to the movie.

I disagree. How can you have a conversation and pay attention to someone talking in a movie at the same time? With subtitles you don't have to worry about having loud conversations anymore, you just need to read to pay attention...

^ ouch better go get some ice cause that was a burn :laugh4:

It most certainly was not, I seriously doubt that you'll be able to find someone with a deeper hatred of norwegian movies than me.... It's complete and utter crap all of it(yes, especially the new one, Max manus). Why else do you think I started this topic? It's certainly not because I don't watch a lot of foreign movies.... :clown:

hah, you should try poland, they just lower the original soundtrack volume and put a voice-over of the dialogue done by one person over the top.

painful to watch!

I watched Rambo dubbed to German on a holiday once. I've had my share.... On the plus side, they did show porn after the movie.

CBR

11-15-2009, 23:26

Rhyfelwyr

11-15-2009, 23:29

I find it easier to follow films with the subtitles on. I think my hearings not to great because a lot of the time I can't make out what people are saying without them.

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 23:35

But how much of the movie can you Norwegians actually see? I mean there is going to be subtitles for like however many versions of Norwegian you guys have come up with so far? or have the digital age improved on that and the viewer can just take his pick? :beam:

We're forced to have the subtitle the media decides to use, which means that some fine programs gets ruined by new-norwegian subtitles.... That only happens on the state-owned NRK though, all the others points their middle finger at anything but standard norwegian....

Anyway......... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk)

CBR

11-15-2009, 23:40

We're forced to have the subtitle the media decides to use, which means that some fine programs gets ruined by new-norwegian subtitles....
Nynorsk? You have my sympathies :dizzy2:

HoreTore

11-15-2009, 23:43

Nynorsk? You have my sympathies :dizzy2:

The Swedes actually understand that gibberish. Says more about them than about us, I think... And I don't mean in a good way.

It's always been my understanding that in order to have a good understand of nynorsk, you also need to have an....intimate... understanding of sheep... if you catch my drift....

Samurai Waki

11-16-2009, 00:11

What's a scan-din-avia? And whose this norway fellow you keep speaking about?

Vuk

11-16-2009, 00:17

I disagree. How can you have a conversation and pay attention to someone talking in a movie at the same time? With subtitles you don't have to worry about having loud conversations anymore, you just need to read to pay attention...

lol, you have not met my family. :P

Strike For The South

11-16-2009, 01:04

@Strike: I'm going to have to give you the grade "Epic Fail". Scandinavia is just Denmark, Norway and Sweden, it doesn't include Finland or Iceland.

Oh, and hunting whales is awesome, and you know it. Clubbing baby seals is cool too.

Yawn, All of you look the same from up on my throne.

A Very Super Market

11-16-2009, 01:06

No, their blonde hair and gargantuan size makes them easy pickin's for the lizardfolk.

Major Robert Dump

11-16-2009, 01:35

I haven't seen a dubbed movie released in the US ever. Or a TV show other than Japanese game shows. Everything I have ever seen that is dubbed was either really old, or really Japanese.

Strike For The South

11-16-2009, 01:36

I want to learn them, but I don't have time. And it costs money. If grade school and middle school in the US would MAKE kids take a foreign language, many more of us would be bilingual. Even at many colleges you can cop out of the language requirements.

I would say 10 years ago and beyond it was also a matter of national pride/ethnocentrism, etc. What? My kid learn Spanish? No way, this is America.

Well, aside from makeing you more competitive in the job market, the reality is finally starting to set in with the old guard that you need to have a second language, at the least Spanish if you live in the US

American Sign Language FTMFW

Louis VI the Fat

11-16-2009, 02:32

Norske kvinner ha superiør større pupper. :2thumbsup:

ajaxfetish

11-16-2009, 03:26

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Ajax

miotas

11-16-2009, 05:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo

Bork bork bork!

Husar

11-16-2009, 08:29

The difference is that we've got oil to pay for everything, while all they have is unemployed people. So.... Considering that they lack money, and we've got too much to spend, I ask again, why do they translate, while we don't? I mean... Explanations other than us being the greatest people of earth, of course.

You're a bunch of elitist, wannabe-intellectual, self-centered people? :inquisitive:
We simply decided to keep our TV German, I don't know when or why exactly but not everyone can learn a new language from watching a few movies and personally I find subs rather distracting and use them only when I have to, I'd rather look at the details in the picture itself etc., it's why I like Blu-Rays so much as well, my ears can receive the language bits, it's what I have them for, so my eyes don't have to multitask everything.
On DVDs and Blu-Rays etc. we usually get to choose anyway, just on TV most of it (not all of it) is dubbed. I don't even see why it seems to annoy you that we are happy with our dubbing other than that you're a bunch of elitist, wannabe-intellectual, self-centered people who want to force their views on us? :clown:

Viking

11-16-2009, 08:40

Nynorsk? You have my sympathies :dizzy2:

Well, it could have been worse. You could have been stuck with Norwegian Bokmål. Or Danish. :thinking:

excusez-moi?

HoreTore

11-16-2009, 09:59

I haven't seen a dubbed movie released in the US ever. Or a TV show other than Japanese game shows. Everything I have ever seen that is dubbed was either really old, or really Japanese.

I have never seen someone interviewed on 60 minutes without being dubbed.

Fragony

11-16-2009, 11:45

We only dub scandinavian because it sounds like they lost their fake-teeth.

Sigurd

11-16-2009, 16:14

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/polar_bear_penguin.jpg

Fisherking

11-16-2009, 17:46

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/polar_bear_penguin.jpg

Great Humor!:2thumbsup:

@ HoreTore

Since you wish to exclude Finland in your little thread then you know the answer is no.

At least they lead the world in cell phones and ship construction.

:laugh4:

Seamus Fermanagh

11-16-2009, 22:07

.... Obviously the answer is no. Everyone is equal.

Demonstrably false. Using almost any metric: height, weight, general health, intelligence, oxygen capacity, ability to tolerate badly dubbed foreign film, etc., people are anything BUT equal.

I prefer subtitles to dubbing BY FAR -- though I still adored Once Upon a Time in the West. One of my more interesting film experiences was watching "Dita Seskova." It was a Czech film that I saw in a class at A.U. once. Decent enough film, but the subtitling was in white and many of the exterior shots were against snowy backgrounds.....and they didn't switch subtitle color. As my Czech is somewhat less developed than my Vulcan this did diminish Forman's effort a bit for me.

Hosakawa Tito

11-17-2009, 03:36

Who cares what language they're speaking during a porn film fer christ sakes!

Gregoshi

11-17-2009, 04:55

Who cares what language they're speaking during a porn film fer christ sakes!
:laugh4: Yeah, as if dialog matters.

Whacker

11-17-2009, 05:39

Have either of you two old farts actually watched nudie flicks in foreign languages? It's often disconcerting.

Beskar

11-17-2009, 06:02

Demonstrably false. Using almost any metric: height, weight, general health, intelligence, oxygen capacity, ability to tolerate badly dubbed foreign film, etc., people are anything BUT equal.

You are crossing a thin-line, where you know what I mean, but choosing to ignore it. :smash:

Seamus Fermanagh

11-17-2009, 14:54

You are crossing a thin-line, where you know what I mean, but choosing to ignore it. :smash:

Yes, but it represents a fundamental difference in our outlooks. I believe that society should be formulated so that all have as equal an opportunity as possible -- but equality itself is an unattainable goal.

Beskar

11-17-2009, 15:34

Yes, but it represents a fundamental difference in our outlooks. I believe that society should be formulated so that all have as equal an opportunity as possible -- but equality itself is an unattainable goal.

I was going to say equal opportunity, then I thought you was going to reply like you did to my previous statement, so I didn't bother.

aimlesswanderer

11-18-2009, 16:27

Have either of you two old farts actually watched nudie flicks in foreign languages? It's often disconcerting.

That is why we have movies on SBS (http://www.sbs.com.au/television)! Err, actually they are sophisticated foreign films which are important pieces of cinema, which may happen to have some nudity and adult themes. Something films on SBS are somewhat notorious for. SBS basically shows any non English movies and series with subtitles, but the main channels don't really show any non English language content. Thick accents from the US, UK and New Zealand not withstanding.

I personally think that if a country needs to dub everything furrin it watches, that shows that they are not all that mature and are hostile to outside cultures. Some people complain that they don't want to read so much! Hello! English isn't the only language out there in the world, and not all the good movies or TV is produced in English speaking countries!

Husar

11-18-2009, 18:37

I personally think that if a country needs to dub everything furrin it watches, that shows that they are not all that mature and are hostile to outside cultures. Some people complain that they don't want to read so much! Hello! English isn't the only language out there in the world, and not all the good movies or TV is produced in English speaking countries!

Yes, so instead of not showing it, we just dub it, and we dub your silly english, too, not because german is the only language out there but because when a factory worker comes home after many hours of work, she/he wants to enjoy a movie and not study several new languages. If I want to read I can always get the book. :inquisitive:

Kadagar_AV

11-19-2009, 01:25

Are scandinavians superior to everyone else?

Well, let's see... When racial science was at its peak (around 1945), even disgruntled german scientists had to admit that the Scandinavian gene-stock was the best in the world.

HoreTore, we know we are the best. There is no reason to blatantly yell it out, as it will only create envy. And as you know, when people reach that state they will fight back with all they have, eventhough they know we speak the truth.

So just lay back, chill, laugh at the world around you... And then go to bed with the best looking thing humanity can produce....

HoreTore

11-19-2009, 01:42

So just lay back, chill, laugh at the world around you... And then go to bed with the best looking thing humanity can produce....

Actually....

I went to get my hair cut yesterday, by an asian woman.... And I swear to god, junior still haven't gone to rest, that woman was divine! I hope my hair grows back fast, I need some more haircuts...

Also, damn fake service-smiles. There's no way to tell whether it's that or flirting. I bloody hate that :daisy: ....

Kadagar_AV

11-19-2009, 01:50

I also find myself strangely attracted to asian girls...

But the rest of the world seem to swear that ouur girls is da bomb..

i guess the grass is just greaner on the other side, huh?

We spend all our time looking at tall blonde women... So when something else pops up, of course we want to let junior explore it.

But if you go by a more general approach, yeah, we have damn hot another word for cat

Oh, and our men isnt exactly bad either....

When I was in japan and China I felt like a damn rock star!! Girls would coem up to me just to touch my hair...

Strike For The South

11-19-2009, 05:14

Are scandinavians superior to everyone else?

Well, let's see... When racial science was at its peak (around 1945), even disgruntled german scientists had to admit that the Scandinavian gene-stock was the best in the world.

You're using Nazi scientists to prove your "stock" is the best? :laugh4:

You realize there isn't a "stock" for any particular people?

Besides The US has more blondes than people in Scandanavia.

Fragony

11-19-2009, 10:12

Viking chicks can certainly be lookers

Samurai Waki

11-19-2009, 10:27

I always found blondes to be rather low on the totem-pole of attractiveness; having that said, most females are ten times more attractive to me if they exude confidence in themselves; Scandinavian, Asian, or otherwise. Maybe that's why Burkhas (and the morbidly obese) consistently rate as a 0 for me, if you can't see the confidence, then there's no confidence at all. Major turnoff.

Fragony

11-19-2009, 10:34

I am more into brunettes so the French get my award, but if you like blonds accept no substitute. Having said that, many have fat necks

Beefy187

11-19-2009, 10:49

When I was in japan and China I felt like a damn rock star!! Girls would coem up to me just to touch my hair...

This is probably the first time I ever experienced this emotion.... Jealousy.

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

11-19-2009, 11:49

When I was in japan and China I felt like a damn rock star!! Girls would coem up to me just to touch my hair...

This isn't restricted to Blondes.

Scandanavian women are often classed as "hot", but less often pretty, cute, sweet, or beautiful even. So.... Not all good.

Fragony

11-19-2009, 12:01

I would like to point out that you are british. And it simply can't be denied that they are growing some fine women there. I see more pretty girls in the Netherlands, but also less stunners.

Hax

11-19-2009, 12:12

Culturally; Finland is generally not included.
Geographically; Finland and Iceland are parts of Scandinavia.

HoreTore

11-19-2009, 12:52

Culturally; Finland is generally not included.
Geographically; Finland and Iceland are parts of Scandinavia.

No, wrong.

Finland and Iceland is a part of the Nordic countries, not Scandinavia. Gah, do we have to rape and pillage the netherlands too? :thumbsdown:

Fragony

11-19-2009, 12:58

You already did, that is why I make a point out of not eating sorstromming

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

11-19-2009, 13:08

I would like to point out that you are british. And it simply can't be denied that they are growing some fine women there. I see more pretty girls in the Netherlands, but also less stunners.

True, I am British. :beam:

We have a broad mixture here, that can produce some quite extraordinary combinations, so we have a broad spectrum. I tend to think that makes us one of the best countries in terms of looks, because both our men and women suit a variety of tastes.

On the other hand, for elegance and care in appearence, go French.

Scandanavians may be attractive, but they also all look the sme, as my family photo albums testify.

HoreTore

11-19-2009, 13:34

We have a broad mixture here, that can produce some quite extraordinary combinations, so we have a broad spectrum. I tend to think that makes us one of the best countries in terms of looks, because both our men and women suit a variety of tastes.

What? It's accepted around the world that Britain has been hit hardest with the ugly-bat... Let's face the facts, shall we? The only good-looking brits are immigrants.:clown:

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

11-19-2009, 14:02

What? It's accepted around the world that Britain has been hit hardest with the ugly-bat... Let's face the facts, shall we? The only good-looking brits are immigrants.

Have another look at what I wrote, and stop being so offensive. You started this topic being a jerk and are continuing to be so.

Britain includes the Irish, the Black Welsh and a large nordic population. For pity's sake, I'm surrounded by gorgeous girls where I work, and even the Norwegians I know agree.

Maybe the attractive people here are just less insecure and don't shout so loud, eh?