[EB] DEC ONLINE TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!

[mountaingoat]

RUMBLE ACROSS EUROPE
so this is going to be 3v3 or 4v4 battles only (leaving it at 3 for now)

to keep things kind of simple , there will be 6 Factions(so we can fill the ranks), and only from the region of europe

If you want in , post in this thread. first to request gets first priority for a faction.
Attempt to keep your unit stacks as "historical" as you can

Hamachi groups are now up EBG1 (for group 1) EBG2 (for group 2) .. please join your group channel , all passwords are EB.


Current teams

Aedui -mountaingoat,The Celtic Viking,Knight of Heaven *faction full*

Romani -ACS,Agrippa,Titus Magnus *faction full*

Makedon -Skullheadhq,Jebivjetar,Worms136 *faction full*

Getai -tsidneku,Silence Hunter,Scipio Africanus *faction full*

Sweboz -antisocialmunky,Phalanx300,Apázlinemjó *faction full*

KH -m0r1d1n,naiveharry,olly *faction full*

In case of having an overflow of participants (hah!) some can be kept as reserve players.


some rules to setup
-36K cap(like old tournament)

-Only 1 chevron upgrade per unit (if there is money left over, though no upgrades for Romani due to their cheap units).

-3 Archer units max (this includes Horse archers and slingers)

-No limit for skirmishers

-Max 4 Cav units ( no limits on heavy )

-Max 8 Pike units

-Romani must only use one era of soldiers , possibly Polybian? * to be decided later on *

-No limit for elites (if you like to waste your money then do it )

-ONLY 2 Merc units per player , please check the merc list at bottom of the page.

-To keep lag down , unit size = normal

-Once a pike has been taken out of phalanx mode , it cannot return to phalanx mode for rest of the battle.(consider this as dropping their pikes). On further note a pike deployed out of phalanx mode may march then deploy pikes.

-Units cannot be pushed through other units in attack mode or in defensive movements.

Tournament will be played out as follows

2 groups of 3

each faction will play each other twice(in their groups)and score points for a win .. the top two factions from the group will progress to the next round , in case of a tie for second place in a group, a final battle will be played between the two tying factions .

the next round will have 1st place of each group playing the against 2nd place of the opposite group. this will be best of 3 match .. after this the finale two factions will battle out for first and second place with the previous two factions battling over third place.(still using best of 3)

Groups now assigned

Group1

Aedui
Romani
Sweboz

Group2

Makedon
Getai
KH

This is the mercenary list for each faction

please ensure you read the list as only 2 merc can be added in each battle


Aedui

Massalioti Hoplitai (Massilian Medium Hoplites)
Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai (Celto-Hellenic Infantry)
Boii Cingetos (Boii Swordsmen)
Dugundiz (Germanic Spearmen)
Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers )
Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
Clona Gosnasio (Northen Iberian Skirmishers)
Canabrae Eponereidam (Cantabrian Light Cavalry)
Gaemile Liguriae (Ligurian Infantry)
Tekastos (Rhaetic Axemen)
Mori Gaesum (Helvetii Phalanx)
Callaecae Roscaithrera (Callaeci Medium Infantry)
Iberi Scutari (Iberian Meidum Spearmen)
Dreugulozes Brunjadaoi (Germanic Heavy Infantry)
Dreugulozez Exworeidondijoi(Germanic Mercenary Light Cavalry)
Marxolitho Wolxiskod (Celto-Germanic Cavalry)
Liguraie Epos (Ligurian Cavalry)
Noricene Gaecori (Noricum Spearmen)

Sweboz

Teceitos (Celtic Axemen)
Marslugoi Lugjiskoi (Lugii Heavy Swordsmen)
Dreugluozez Exworeidondijoi (Germanic Mercenary Light Cavalry)
Merxolitho Wolxiskod (Celto-Germanic Cavalry)
Uirodusios (Celtic Naked Spearmen)
Worogez

Getai

Teccitos (Celtic Axemen)
Lugoae (Celtic Levy Spearmen)
Dugundiz (Germanic SPearmen)
Uirodusios (Celtic Naked Spearmen)
Boii Cingetos (Boii Swordsmen)
Xerunoudozez (Germanic Swordsmen)
Gaeroas (Celtic Spearmen)
Hoplitai (Grek Classical Hoplites)
Illyrioi Thureophoroi (Illyrian Spearmen)
Toxoai (Hellenic Archers)
Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
Illyrioi Parakitoi (Illyrian Costal Levies)
Phyletichoi Illyrioi (Illyrian Levy Spearmen)
Gaisofulxo Frijod (Germanic Levy Spearmen)
Galatikoi Kluddolon (Galatian Shortswordsmen)
Druxtiz Basterniska (Bastarne Falx Infantry)
Misthophoroi Keltohellenikoi (Mercenary Celto-Hellenic Infantry)
Dreugulozez Exworeidondijoi (Germanic Mercenary Light Cavalry)

Note for Getai , the following units are left out of the merc pool as an exception
Galathraikes (Gallo-Thracian Infantry)
Taxeis Triballoi (Triballi Infantry)

Makedonia

Galathraikes (Gallo-Thracian Infantry)
Taxeis Triballoi (Triballi Infantry)
Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry)
Lugoae (Celtic Levy Spearmen)
Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
Gaeroas (Celtic Spearmen)
Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai (Celto-Hellenic Infantry)
Galatikoi Kluddolon (galatian Shortswordsmen)
Misthophoroi Toxotai Kretikoi (Mercenary Cretan Archers)
Curepos (Gallic Mercenary Light Cavalry)
Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry)


Koinon Hellenon

Anatolikoi Phyletai (Anatolian Hillmen)
Iberi Caetrati (Iberian Light Infantry)
Uazali (Karian Warband)
Lugoae (Celtic Levy Spearmen)
Kavakaza Sparabara (Caucasian Spearmen)
Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
Iberi Milites (Iberian Light Spearmen)
Gaeroas (Celtic Spearmen)
Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai (Celto-Hellenic Infantry)
Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry)
Kovasi Lernain Netadzik (Caucasian Archers)
Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae (Skythian Foot Archers)
Iberi Velites (Iberian Skirmishers)
Pezoi Brettioi (Bruttian Infantry)
Galathraikes (Gallo-Thracian Infantry)
Doryphoroi Pontikoi (Pontic Light Spearmen)
Iberi Sctari (Iberian Medium Spearmen)
Scortamareva (Lustonnan Meidum Spearmen)
Sammnitici Milites (Sammite Heavy Infantry)
Misthophoroi Phalangitai (Mercenary Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
Sotaroas (Celtic Archers)
Iaosatae (Celtic Slingers)
Quala'im Balearim (Balearic Slingers)
Asiatikoi Hippeis (Medium Eastern Cavalry)
Hippies Tarantinoi (Tarantine Elite Cavalry)
Misthophoroi Hippies (Mercenary Greek Medium Cavalry)
Skuda Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Horse-Archers)
Asiatikoi Hippakontistai (Eastern Light-Cavalry)
Eqvites Campanici (Campanian Cavalry)

Note for Koinon Hellenon the following units are not considered merc
(due to missing heavy skirmishers)

Aichmetai Leukanoi (Lucanian Light Infantry)
Misthophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai (Mercanry Thraikian Peltasts)


Romani


Iberi Caetrati (Iberian Light Infantry)
Lugoae (Celtiv Levy Spearmen)
Dugundiz (Germanic Spearmen)
Gaeroas (Celtic Spearmen)
Illyrioi Thureophoroi (Illyrian Spearmen)
Milities Ilergetum (Ilergetan Soldiers)
Neitos (Gallic Heavy Swordsmen)
Syrakosoi Hoplitai (Sryacusan Hoplites)
Toxati (Hellenic Archers)
Dorkin Shardanim (Sardinian Infantry)
Akontistai (Hellenic Skrimishers)
Mitnagsim Numidin (Numidian Skirmishers)
Qasatim Numidim (Numidian Archers)
Appea Gaedotos (Apline Phalanx)
Illyrioi Paraktioi (Illyrian Costal Levies)
Misthophoroi Keltohellenikoi (Mercenary Celto-Hellenic Infantry)
Misthophoroi Iphikratous (Mercanary Greek hoplite Phalanx)
Misthophoroi Thurephoroi (Mercanary Hellenic Spearmen)
Misthophoroi Massaliotai (Massilian Medium Hoplites)
Iberi Scutari (Iberian Medium Spearmen)
Dunamincia (Celetiberian Heavy Infantry)
Scortamareva (Lustoannan Medium Spearmen)
Misthophoroi Phalngitai (Mercenary Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
Sotaroas (Celtic Archers)
Quala'im Numidim (Numidian Slingers)
Iaosatae (celtic Slingers)
Quala'im Balearim (Baleraric Slingers)
Misthophoroi Peltastai (Mercnary Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
Misthophoroi Toxotai Kretikoi (Mercanary Cretan Archers)
Dreuguozez Exworeidondijoi (Germanic Mercanry Light Cavalry)
Misthophoroi Hippies (Mercenary Greek Medium Cavalry)
Curepos (Gallic Mercenary Light Cavalry)
Ligurai Epos (Ligurian Cavalry)
Toxotai Syriakoi (Syrian Archers)
Dorkim Maurim (Maure Infantry)
Pilei Ya'ar Libim (African Forest Elephants)
Parasim Numidim (Numidian Cavalry)
Brihentin (gallic Noble Cavalry)
Gaemile Liguriae (Ligurian Infantry)
Aichmetai Leukanoi (Lucanian Light Infantry)

Note for Romani Ploybian untis only

[tsidneku]

I'll play as Getai.
This sounds like so much fun! :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

[Skullheadhq]

Makedonia please.

[Blxz]

Is the rule about moving in and out of phalanx mode applicable during the approach phase? I think it states somewhere in the description that they would approach in normal order then form up. Do I have to walk my guys up to you in phalanx mode then to comply with your rules?

[mountaingoat]

So long as you have not deployed in phalanx mode that should be fine(though you can take out of then reform if you do so by mistake). I will update the description on that

we can consider that going out of phalanx mode whilst in combat to be dropping of the pikes.

[antisocialmunky]

Roma Invicta :)

[vartan]

Nice. You have more regulations and restrictions than the U.S. when it is run by Democrats. SWEET!

Have fun!

[seienchin]

Meeh , I wont to participate too, but I cant get hamachi to work with my proxy server :hanged::hanged::hanged:

STill: I am curious what is the matter with the chevrons rules? Why is it forbidden to make elite units?

[mountaingoat]

STill: I am curious what is the matter with the chevrons rules? Why is it forbidden to make elite units?

well when you play online you can see why .... we want to have this at an even playing field for the most part .. it comes down to knowing what units to use at what time, and how to use terrain to your advantage , working as team etc ... having some 3 gold chevron general is going to cost you a lot of money and limit the number of troops you bring to the field .. if i were your ally and i saw you bring quarter of the units you could bring i would rage quit ...

the idea of not giving romani chevrons , is that hardly anyone from other factions get to really upgrade many if any of their units with even 1 chevron(at 36k) .. and although technically you could upgrade all with any faction , it would most likely entail you using very cheap units , the romani can pull this off with the exact opposite . so limiting their upgrade creates a more even playing field for all i guess ..

now what proxy problems are u having with hamachi ? do you know how to forward ports on your router?

[Jebivjetar]

No Carthage? Well, then i'll try with Makedonia. Sign teh Jebivjetar in! :yes:

[seienchin]

now what proxy problems are u having with hamachi ? do you know how to forward ports on your router?

Im living at a student dormitorium(Is that the english term?^^) and have to use my universities internet acces. I dont know why but even letting the hamachi run with my proxy settings doestn work. I had a friend help me, but he couldnt fix it either.:book:

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

Sign me as Romani, please:yes:

[antisocialmunky]

Actually, change me ot KH.

[_Agrippa_]

COOL :)

Sign me as Romani , thanks :beam:

[The Celtic Viking]

If you're feeling lonely there, Goat, I can join your Gallic forces. ~:)

[mountaingoat]

lol , i am thinking of selecting a group of maps for the tournament .. and maybe have "home" and "away" battles .... so each faction gets a "home" map that is more suited to their playing style. or maybe just have 2 maps , with similar playing fields.

[antisocialmunky]

I don't want to fight the Gauls and Getai due to their naked rushing strategery.

[mountaingoat]

but you don't mind the great sweboz?

well you can always go as spectator? :yes:


guess i will do some "random" picks for the first round matchups

[antisocialmunky]

Question, what about KH's missing units. They have no Peltastai or Thessylian Cavalry.

Can we just require a fixed KH .edu?

[mountaingoat]

Prodromoi with 1 cheveron is close enough if not better (and slightly cheaper). Note that Hippeis Thessalikoi are only listed under makedon faction unit list.

as for the Peltastai missing that is strange , i guess instead you could use either Thrakioi Peltastai or Aichmetai Leukanoi without them counting towards merc pool.

[antisocialmunky]

I have ot change my mind to Sweboz.

[m0r1d1n]

hi all,

i played in the previous tourneys but had been off the MP for some time..good to see another tourney shaping up:yes:...the rules sem gr8
i would like to join in with KH (am ok with the roster suggestions)...although in case of shortage of players i am willing to take up any team..
my playing name in hamachi is moridin and available time is 6 pm to 11 pm ( GMT + 5:30) and full day on weekends..

[Knight of Heaven]

RAAABOOOOO!!! will go with my celtic friends the Aedui.
Btw rabo in portuguese means asse. :P a direct translation.

[mountaingoat]

very good :2thumbsup:

just wandering what the consensus is with certain units being mercs or not?

first off is Druhtiz Bastarnisku .. they are not listed under any faction and the EB webpage description shows them as eleutheroi in getai region.

second is Cidainh , though they show up as unit listed under the Casse , they are not shown with the Aedui ??

maybe some more to add later.

[Phalanx300]

The Sweboz!

Well the site isn't up too date but I gues to make things simple it might be better to keep things by the site?

[darius_d]

Hi guys,

I don't have, unfortunately, enough free time to engage myself, but will keep watching you.
:magnify:
GLHF!

[Knight of Heaven]

very good :2thumbsup:

just wandering what the consensus is with certain units being mercs or not?

first off is Druhtiz Bastarnisku .. they are not listed under any faction and the EB webpage description shows them as eleutheroi in getai region.

second is Cidainh , though they show up as unit listed under the Casse , they are not shown with the Aedui ??

maybe some more to add later.

Well for the mercs units, and factional units we cant rely on EB website, becouse i think what they have there is a a list of some units you can recruit as playing that faction. for instance, in the case of the Aedui, they have hellveti phalanx wich isnt factional and is a merc Alied, the arverni can recruit then as well.
My thought is the merc units are the ones you hire in as the general. the one it says mercenary on the name... i belive. :P

[antisocialmunky]

You know for the Sweboz roster, you should allow all the untis on their MP roster not including Celts(but including Celto-Germanics), Bastarnae, and the Lugii. Otherwise its going to be quite boring to play with 7ish units only.

I think you should also reinstate the 33K limit for Romans instead of 36K. Otherwise you see nothing but Pedite spam.

[Gabeed]

very good :2thumbsup:
second is Cidainh , though they show up as unit listed under the Casse , they are not shown with the Aedui ??


That's because the continental Gauls had largely moved on from chariots to cavalry.

Oh, and I'm happily married to my single player campaign with the BI.exe, so I think I'll have to pass on this fine tourney. :shame:

[Knight of Heaven]

That's because the continental Gauls had largely moved on from chariots to cavalry.

Oh, and I'm happily married to my single player campaign with the BI.exe, so I think I'll have to pass on this fine tourney. :shame:


Well yes but the point is what we considere factional and what we considere mercenary, in multiplayer tournament.
I for me, mercenaries are only the units we buy as mercenaries, for instance the gallic mercenaries, the kretan mercenaries. We cant rely on eb web site, becouse the unit list there isnt a factional list only. The aedui have Curepos, and Golberi Curoas
wich is mercenary in game and multiplayer roster. we cant recruit these units in game, only hire then.

[mountaingoat]

ok well what should we be going off if the EB page is that outdated ? i mean what could be a good reference?

maybe ill go through recruitment viewer and post a list for each faction on here

check the first page as mercs are updated.

[mountaingoat]

I think you should also reinstate the 33K limit for Romans instead of 36K. Otherwise you see nothing but Pedite spam.

considering this , though i do not think the current team members on Romani would be spamming those units.

*not going to limit the romani to 33k , after running some tests with those units ,for their costs etc if they want to spam them , then whatever. lol

[naiveharry]

I want to join too...
hiero
Koinon Hellenon

[Titus Magnus]

Nice. You have more regulations and restrictions than the U.S. when it is run by Democrats. SWEET!

Have fun!

LOLed at that, If you guys still have room, i would like to join as Romani, if not any open faction will do.

[mountaingoat]

join the EB groups on hamachi !

just a few more people to join and we can start this thing :2thumbsup:

[Titus Magnus]

2 Italians and 1 Croatian as Romans, how fitting! For the Glory of Rome,MEN! We'll crush these men in trousers...and the naked ones.

[gamegeek2]

Looks fun, but I've never played EB online. Needa do that soon.

[Apázlinemjó]

Hey yo, add me to Swebóz please.

[vartan]

I think you should limit the Romani to 5.3 trillion mnai. If you gave them any more they'd be too powerful...

[Knight of Heaven]

I think you should limit the Romani to 5.3 trillion mnai. If you gave them any more they'd be too powerful...

Doesnt matter they will die like ladies they are. Ladies in red all of then. :yes:

[Titus Magnus]

Watch your tounge barbarian, you will feel the glory of rome soon enough.


-Arma tuentur pacem

[m0r1d1n]

"-36K cap(like old tournament)
-Only 1 chevron upgrade per unit (if there is money left over, though no upgrades for Romani due to their cheap units).
-3 Archer units max (this includes Horse archers and slingers)
-No limit for skirmishers
-Max 4 Cav units ( no limits on heavy )
-Max 8 Pike units
-ONLY 2 Merc units(again to keep it simple , all faction units to be taken from https://www.europabarbarorum.com )."

one question pls...these above mentioned limits...they r for each player or the team as a whole??

i'll be joining the groups by today...lookin forward to meeting u on the field General jebivjetar:yes:

[mountaingoat]

"-36K cap(like old tournament)
-Only 1 chevron upgrade per unit (if there is money left over, though no upgrades for Romani due to their cheap units).
-3 Archer units max (this includes Horse archers and slingers)
-No limit for skirmishers
-Max 4 Cav units ( no limits on heavy )
-Max 8 Pike units
-ONLY 2 Merc units(again to keep it simple , all faction units to be taken from https://www.europabarbarorum.com )."

one question pls...these above mentioned limits...they r for each player or the team as a whole??

i'll be joining the groups by today...lookin forward to meeting u on the field General jebivjetar:yes:

this is for each player , also please read the merc list on front page as i have updated..:yes:

[Jebivjetar]

i'll be joining the groups by today...lookin forward to meeting u on the field General jebivjetar:yes:

Same here, i'm sure it will be much fun, m0r1d1n :beam:

Let's get this thing rollin' !! :smash:

[antisocialmunky]

Mmmmm Unlimited Bastarnae. I wish I got Baltic axemen but this should work fine :).

[Silence Hunter]

Hi guys!

I'd love to join, but I'll only be able to play after the 13th of December. GMT+2. If that's ok sign me up as Getai. Lovely falxes :2thumbsup:

[Apázlinemjó]

Mmmmm Unlimited Bastarnae. I wish I got Baltic axemen but this should work fine :).

Sounds like a plan, lol.

[mountaingoat]

Hi guys!

I'd love to join, but I'll only be able to play after the 13th of December. GMT+2. If that's ok sign me up as Getai. Lovely falxes :2thumbsup:

no problem :2thumbsup:

have a feeling this might go well into january lol

no mods going to join up?? ( only 3 slots left )

[antisocialmunky]

Sounds like a plan, lol.

Not against Romanoi or Celtoi.

What is proto-germanic for Romans and Celts? :inquisitive:

[alexanderthegreater]

Rumoz?

[Jebivjetar]

One thing i do not understand: according to your list of mercenaries, Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen) are considered as such. They are Hellenic spearmen, afterall- so why mercenaries for Makedonia?

[The Celtic Viking]

I also don't understand the Caturiges Gaedann. Why list them as mercenaries for Aedui?

[olly]

Just asking. I have never actually played online because my laptop is not super fast and I just really assumed that people used Huge size (I use Large myself which is no problem) but it would be fine if it was just on Normal size.

So I'd like to join BUT my broadband speed is only 2 megs so is that acceptable? I completely understand if not.

If it is okay I can do weekends and evenings between 8 and 11 o'clock UK time (that is GMT time I think). Any faction is fine.

[antisocialmunky]

One thing i do not understand: according to your list of mercenaries, Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen) are considered as such. They are Hellenic spearmen, afterall- so why mercenaries for Makedonia?

Weird. They are designed to support the phalanx silly. What are you smoking?:laugh4:

I would also appreciate the use of celto-germanic units. They are still Germanic.:beam:

[mountaingoat]

One thing i do not understand: according to your list of mercenaries, Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen) are considered as such. They are Hellenic spearmen, afterall- so why mercenaries for Makedonia?

eh that must of slipped through , i'll remove it


I also don't understand the Caturiges Gaedann. Why list them as mercenaries for Aedui? reading their description details they seem to be listed as mercenary ... you can debate if you want as to if they are native , i lleft some units out (though none with the mercenary trait) and placed a few in ..


I would also appreciate the use of celto-germanic units. They are still Germanic.:beam: negative on the horsemen.


Just asking. I have never actually played online because my laptop is not super fast and I just really assumed that people used Huge size (I use Large myself which is no problem) but it would be fine if it was just on Normal size. we are playing 3v3 here .. so on huge with 3v3 you can expect over 6000+ troops on the field .. this produced much lag and reduced the frame rate for many people .


So I'd like to join BUT my broadband speed is only 2 megs so is that acceptable? I completely understand if not.

no problem with that


If it is okay I can do weekends and evenings between 8 and 11 o'clock UK time (that is GMT time I think). Any faction is fine.

pick a faction on the list

[The Celtic Viking]

reading their description details they seem to be listed as mercenary ... you can debate if you want as to if they are native , i lleft some units out (though none with the mercenary trait) and placed a few in ..

Right, I had forgot the "in the employ of others" part (which I assume is what you're referring to). It doesn't necessarily mean "mercenary", though, does it? Even if you take it to mean mercenary, you have made exceptions for other units, so why not the Gaedann as well? If they have to compete with these other units on the list for 2 slots, I very much doubt they'd ever get used.

Who's side are you on, anyway? :laugh4:

What about the Cinetos and the Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai?

[mountaingoat]

Right, I had forgot the "in the employ of others" part (which I assume is what you're referring to). It doesn't necessarily mean "mercenary", though, does it? Even if you take it to mean mercenary, you have made exceptions for other units, so why not the Gaedann as well? If they have to compete with these other units on the list for 2 slots, I very much doubt they'd ever get used.

Who's side are you on, anyway? :laugh4:

What about the Cinetos and the Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai?

to make up the merc list i used the recruitment viewer (and checked all NATIVE) , also used the EB webpage then picked out units from there and checked the "unit list" for some .. i figured that apart from being not listed in the EB webpage or recruitment viewer , that the Aeudi did not field hellenic style hoplites as their main line (for the most part anyway) .. but who knows .......look if you want to talk tactics with the Aedui and are not sure what to do if you cannot use more than 2 units of mercs , then PM me or join the server so you can practice. :dizzy2: :yes:

[olly]

Cool. I'll take the last KH place.

[antisocialmunky]

So... does anyone actually know how to play Sweboz?

[vartan]

So... does anyone actually know how to play Sweboz?

I'm guessing the same as Getai, but with more oomph (I hope that's the right word, but of course there's a German word that doesn't have an English translation that can be used to fully explain the power behind the idea).

And why don't you use the list of native units and elites that we compiled in the summer?

[Apázlinemjó]

So... does anyone actually know how to play Sweboz?

AP & Scary infantry based H&A tactics usually work, Dugundiz and Speutagardaz are good as line infantry, Sloxonez, Bastraniská and the swordsmen are dirty cheap flankers. As elites you should recruit Worgozez, they are a must in every Swebóz armies and the Black painted dudes are good too. Sadly the only good archers are the Baltic ones, but they are considered mercenaries now..so if you want to spend your mercenary slots on them...then go on. Swebóz heavy cavalry is pretty good (and expensive too) on the west, however against east European factions, like Makedonia, well it's not a really good idea to use them. So if you want to use cavalry, then it's advised to use the skirmisher one, because they can wear out and outrun almost anything the others can throw at them annnnd they have a high charge bonus, which means they are a decent medium cavalry too. However these are my experiences only, maybe there are some veteran Swebóz players who can inform us about the better methods. :juggle2:

Edit: And if the map has forest, well you win, lol.

[The Celtic Viking]

to make up the merc list i used the recruitment viewer (and checked all NATIVE) , also used the EB webpage then picked out units from there and checked the "unit list" for some .. i figured that apart from being not listed in the EB webpage or recruitment viewer , that the Aeudi did not field hellenic style hoplites as their main line (for the most part anyway) .. but who knows .......look if you want to talk tactics with the Aedui and are not sure what to do if you cannot use more than 2 units of mercs , then PM me or join the server so you can practice. :dizzy2: :yes:

No, it's not a problem of me not knowing what to do or anything like that, it's about consistency and keeping the units viable. If the Gaedann have to compete with these other units for those 2 spots, as I said, you might as well just say they can't be used.

That the Aedui didn't field Hellenic hoplites as their main line would be completely inconsistent, because no army fielded elites as their main line either, yet that's still allowed. I'm not even asking for them to be main line infantry anyway, and it's a non sequitur to use the argument that because they'd no longer be counted mercenary, they'd automatically become main line infantry. Besides, the Worogez are obviously mercenaries, and I think you'll agree that they shouldn't be main line infantry for the Sweboz either, yet you've made an exception for them and put them as native.

[mountaingoat]

No, it's not a problem of me not knowing what to do or anything like that, it's about consistency and keeping the units viable. If the Gaedann have to compete with these other units for those 2 spots, as I said, you might as well just say they can't be used.

That the Aedui didn't field Hellenic hoplites as their main line would be completely inconsistent, because no army fielded elites as their main line either, yet that's still allowed. I'm not even asking for them to be main line infantry anyway, and it's a non sequitur to use the argument that because they'd no longer be counted mercenary, they'd automatically become main line infantry. Besides, the Worogez are obviously mercenaries, and I think you'll agree that they shouldn't be main line infantry for the Sweboz either, yet you've made an exception for them and put them as native.

look man .. i posted my reasons, and made some exceptions as an attempt to keep some kind of "balance" between factions .

i don't care about elites due to the fact that "elite" units cost lots of coin ... and there is no way anyone can effectively field an army of elites in the online tournament with this 36k cap... if someone wants to have 6 elites as their entire force .. then let them... most people are only going to place 2 or 3 in a stack. There is also the fact that many people debate elites (much like the mercs) but the elites are less of a problem IMO.

another reason for the elites ,is that we are attempting to keep some kind of loosely historically portrayed armies here ..and from the people i have seen join so far (and i have played against a fair few of them) i doubt they are really going to be spamming any units.

the Aedui / Celts have such a broad pool to recruit from it makes things a little unbalanced for them , with their fine line between merc and native units i may of added a few more units into their merc pool for the sake of balancing things out ..

if you would like to continue this discussion or feel that the Gaedann should be removed from the merc pool after reading this , then please PM me.



Edit: And if the map has forest, well you win, lol.

would like to have home maps for each faction but without having it them too one sided , so we can have home and away battles.. if you have any ideas for the sweboz let me know :yes:

[The Celtic Viking]

:shrug:

I still disagree with that decision, but it's not a big deal. Your tournament, your rules, I guess.

[antisocialmunky]

Nah, I can't play them like Getai all that well. The issue is morale, Getai has pretty high morale. Sweboz does not. You could probably Bastarnae spam against Romans to some extent though. Against, Aedui - I don't think they have a chance.

Celts have Morale Up, Morale Down, and Chariots.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Think of Sweboz as the disiciplined barbarians. Their line units take a lot of beating before they break and have high density compared to say, Celtic units. Clubmen are useful for flanking, spearmen good line units, swordsmen are basically your elite. I wouldn't bother with the heavy swordsmen that much unless you need something to pin a phalanx.

Cavalry is sub par, their heavies match up with Celtic ones but the light cavalry is expensive and only decent for melee against other cav. I recommend lots of spearmen to form a sturdy line and some more as a mobile reserve to help deal against flanking cavalry. Also can use some Jugunthiz to skirmish and then sit behind your lines in loose formation to stop cavalry charges. Thier spears will deal with all but elite cav.

Use clubs to counter armor and swordsmen to flank. Wargozez to be the final hammer to break a shaken or wavering enemy line. I'd almost recommend using all infantry and just forget cavalry unless you have plenty of extra money.

[Skullheadhq]

My Hamachi name is Sander-PC :shame:
EDIT: Changed my name in skullheadhq, found out how to :)

[mountaingoat]

:shrug:

I still disagree with that decision, but it's not a big deal. Your tournament, your rules, I guess.

it's ok , i have changed the merc pools around a little :dizzy2::dizzy2: , took out the Gaedann :shocked3: , added the Noricene Gaecori (whom i had missed ) . gave the sweboz their baltic units back. placed Worogez back in (prepares for outcry from sweboz) .. :yes:


btw ppl , common join the servers!! .. EBG1 is still missing a few ppl

[Knight of Heaven]

Watch your tounge barbarian, you will feel the glory of rome soon enough.


-Arma tuentur pacem

:laugh4::laugh4: You have to prove it on the battle field friend :P

well about the mercenaries, i had also some doubts about the carutiges, but the celts have manny options, on that front, so i wont mind.

[antisocialmunky]

it's ok , i have changed the merc pools around a little :dizzy2::dizzy2: , took out the Gaedann :shocked3: , added the Noricene Gaecori (whom i had missed ) . gave the sweboz their baltic units back. placed Worogez back in (prepares for outcry from sweboz) .. :yes:


btw ppl , common join the servers!! .. EBG1 is still missing a few ppl

Awesome now I can do use modular troop assignments. I'll still die but won't be able to complain as much :-D

[mountaingoat]

can we get some communication please for those that have not joined their EB groups.. i am going to have to guess that you want out of the tournament?

there are at least 5-6 ppl who should be joined by now , i mean group 1 should be battling it out already .. if for some reason there is no response i will remove people from the groups and possibly consolidate it into 3 factions instead .

[Skullheadhq]

My real life friend (and yes, my rl friends play EB, and they're not registered at the .ORG) wants to join, he has Hamachi and will be joining under the name Worms136, as Makedonia

[Jebivjetar]

I can play today at almost any time: next week i won't be available mostly, because i have some exams and have to study. Anyway, when i'll have some time, i'll play :yes:

[Scipio Africanus]

Hi everybody I would like to join the getai team.Thank you.By the way It's my first EB tournament but I adapt very quickly.Thanks again.:beam:

[olly]

Its my first tournament as well so at least someone will, hopefully, be as bad as me. Although an arse kicking from Mountaingoat gave me a lot of food for thought so at least that is something!

So how do we co-ordinate when we play? I'm free any evening from 8pm GMT apart from Tuesday.

[Skullheadhq]

I've got all time next week, btw I'm in the Netherlands, Europe so I've got another timezone then Asians or Americans.

[Jebivjetar]

yeah, coordination will be somewhat difficult due to our timezones, but not impossible, because i already played with some people from the other side of the Earth, like Australia, Indonesia and Chile. Btw I'm from Croatia (GMT+1)

[Skullheadhq]

GMT +1 as well.

[Scipio Africanus]

Well I am pretty though at Rome TW original:beam: But I think I will do a good job in this tournament:wiseguy::.By the way I am from Romania Europe:beam::2thumbsup:

When do we start the tournament?:help:

[Scipio Africanus]

Its my first tournament as well so at least someone will, hopefully, be as bad as me. Although an arse kicking from Mountaingoat gave me a lot of food for thought so at least that is something!

So how do we co-ordinate when we play? I'm free any evening from 8pm GMT apart from Tuesday.

I hope I will help my team in winning the tourney:book::2thumbsup:.But I don't know how we will cooperate.Please somebody from the Getai team contact me.

[Skullheadhq]

t-t-triplepost :inquisitive:
And I guess it will be 3v3, just make up some nice strategies with your mates and kick enemy butt I suppose.

[mountaingoat]

maybe if everyone can post their gmt on here we can figure something out ,
as for now i guess the tournament can begin once everyone is in the hamachi groups .. there are a few members missing from each group .. and i have contacted them to join so now we just have to wait a little (and get some practice ) ...

it is possible that it might not start until january but i would like to get it going by the end of this week.


btw i am at gmt+10 .. and have been playing with europe , america and asia .. so there is a way to get it all working , just for some battles people have to be up either a little early or late i guess...

btw please ensure you record/save all battles .

[The Celtic Viking]

I'm on GMT+1.

[Apázlinemjó]

I'm on GMT+1.

Same.



btw i am at gmt+10 .. and have been playing with europe , america and asia .. so there is a way to get it all working , just for some battles people have to be up either a little early or late i guess...

Mountaingoat we meet on the battlefiled quite often nowadays, lawl.

[Scipio Africanus]

I am GMT+2:00

[Scipio Africanus]

Btw the people who are online on hamachi please answer.I'm tired to wait someone to say at least hello:wall:

[Silence Hunter]

GMT+2 here too. I'll likely be online later this evening, unless I go out to enjoy some snow fights :D

[Scipio Africanus]

Form where are you Silence Hunter?In my town also snowed:beam:

[Jebivjetar]

Btw the people who are online on hamachi please answer.I'm tired to wait someone to say at least hello:wall:


New version of Hamachi always runs in windows background even if people who use it haven't execute/run it (Hamachi is visible in their processes list though) . Because of that you have many people appearing online, but they are not aware of it. So if nobody reply to you, that is probably because they didn't start Hamachi and can not see your message.

[Skullheadhq]

Hey Jeb, can you practice today?

[Scipio Africanus]

I can play today :D

[Skullheadhq]

Ah great, I'll see you tonight on the battlefield then.

[Scipio Africanus]

Well,I can't play at night I usually play from 17:00 to 20:00 my time.I'm GMT+2:00

[olly]

Is anyone around tonight between 8 and 11 GMT? My missus is out so I am free!

Also has anyone actually fought any battles in this tournament yet?

Thanks

[Jebivjetar]

I can play this afternoon between 17-20h (GMT +1)

[olly]

Considering you are an hour ahead of me its looks like we will miss each other old chum. I can try and and get online by half seven at the earliest, can you do any later?

[Jebivjetar]

Ok, i'll try... c u :2thumbsup:

EDIT: don't hurry. i drink my wine between 9pm and 2-3am, so i could play a battle or two in that time too. but not too late, cuz i won't see no more after, let's say... 11pm X)

nothing better than a battle and a bottle. jupi-jeij !

[olly]

Good chap!

[antisocialmunky]

When will this start?

[olly]

Hopefuly about 7:30 or a bit later tonight. GMT

[Cute Wolf]

What time? GMT? It was allready midnight here in Indonesia

[Scipio Africanus]

I can play tonight between 7:00 pm and 8:00 pm GMT+2.

[Skullheadhq]

What about Makedonia vs Getai next tuesday?

[olly]

Is any one from group 2 around on the 23rd at all? I have all day free then. Not sure when the other KH guys are around on that day, if at all though.

Also anyone around now?

[Skullheadhq]

mountaingoat should appoint days on which we have to play the first match.

[Jebivjetar]

ok, olly and i are playing right now. if anybody is for some action, join us at EBG1 and/or EBG2 :beam:

[antisocialmunky]

Saturday.

[Scipio Africanus]

Hey guys I can play today from 14:00 to almost 17:00 or 18:00,so if anyone wants a fight against the Getai call me in hamachi networks EBG1 and EBG2.Btw look at the battle I fought yesterday against Agrippa,it's the most dramatic battle ever:2thumbsup: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2DSAQ0QN

[Jebivjetar]

Ok, i just played a battle and quit it because some rules people must respect:

1) you can't charge enemy unit with your cavalry through your own foot men who already charge that unit (you can charge only from behind/rear = outflank that enemy unit)
2) you can't run through enemy unit, neither with your cavalry, neither with your infantry (keep your eye on what your units are doing, don't let them run around like some headless chickens) :7
3) especially you can't charge an enemy unit through your own men who already fight that unit and then run through enemy unit to charge it from behind (epic mistake, because with that you don't respect previous 2 rules).

:yes:

[Scipio Africanus]

Ok, i just played a battle and quit it because some rules people must respect:

1) you can't charge enemy unit with your cavalry through your own foot men who already charge that unit (you can charge only from behind/rear = outflank that enemy unit)
2) you can't run through enemy unit, neither with your cavalry, neither with your infantry (keep your eye on what your units are doing, don't let them run around like some headless chickens) :7
3) especially you can't charge an enemy unit through your own men who already fight that unit and then run through enemy unit to charge it from behind (epic mistake, because with that you don't respect previous 2 rules).

:yes:

Who was your enemy?:inquisitive:

[Jebivjetar]

Well, i don't want to tell his name, i just don't want to stigmatize people. Anyway i hope he will change his behavior for the next fight :2thumbsup:

[antisocialmunky]

I've done that to MountainGoat to make him realize he needs rules like other tournements. I wasn't the one doing it to Jeb though.

Also, loose units don't count as not run throughable. Otherwise lame.

[mountaingoat]

I've done that to MountainGoat to make him realize he needs rules like other tournements. I wasn't the one doing it to Jeb though.

and if you read the rules i setup on the very first post , you would see that they are in there!

*edit , nor did you say anything in that battle about "showing that the rules need to be setup" i do recall you claiming that you were not "running them through" ??

anyway

waiting on phalanx300 to complete group 1

[antisocialmunky]

And if you read the above 3 posts you'll realize we're not talking about just a run through.

That was something else though and I wasn't running through with my infantry only order them to mass run behind in which they start engaging the first thing they run into which is perfectly fair. Now if you have problems with units getting hooked onto other units then well, I'm not sure what to do about that.

You don't have any rules on charging with cavalry or chariots and I've fairly sure you remember the games where I charged through my own men to punch a hole through the middle of your lines. And its not like you haven't resorted to chariots through your own army. You're smart enough to decide whether its needed or not and I didn't hear you complaining about it then.

[mountaingoat]

You don't have any rules on charging with cavalry or chariots

want to explain this then? -Units cannot be pushed through other units in attack mode or in defensive movements.


and I've fairly sure you remember the games where I charged through my own men to punch a hole through the middle of your lines.

where are you going with this? ,i have noted it , i tend to just leave it, as it was already mid battle, not like i am going to just quit the game and refuse to play.(this was in a practice game)


And its not like you haven't resorted to chariots through your own army. You're smart enough to decide whether its needed or not and I didn't hear you complaining about it then.

chariots are uncontrollable when your order them to charge , and this is the only reason they might break through the lines , i assure you they kill 0 infantry and are most vulnerable whilst attempting to get them out of a melee or a stuffed up order. On top of that , i will mostly order them to get out the same way they charged ,unless they completely disobeyed, though cav do not do this , they will follow orders with little to no path finding errors.

[antisocialmunky]

Your rule is vague: enemy units or all units? That's basically what I'm getting at.

[Knight of Heaven]

Your rule is vague: enemy units or all units? That's basically what I'm getting at.

The units that the player control.... i dont see your point ASM?

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

Well, I think this rules work... if someone cheat => penality!

now... ready to fight:smash:

P.S. for Mountaingoat: this should be JAN ONLINE TOURNAMENT... true?:sweatdrop:

[antisocialmunky]

The units that the player control.... i dont see your point ASM?

-Units cannot be pushed through other units in attack mode or in defensive movements.

So can you move units through your own units or not? Its pretty obviously says to not move through enemy units but what about through your own but goat seems to say that it includes your units too in the post above. :inquisitive:

Does it include stacking units on top of each other? Does it include reinforcing your line since units will move through another unit to attack? Since he says it applies to charging your horses through your own men, yes it requires clarification.

[mountaingoat]

no moving through your own units (like your cav charge) and enemy units.

you can have a bit of leeway towards things like skirmishers running though your own units in skirmishers mode, and when you are reinforcing gaps.. but you do not push units through other units when reinforcing anyway .. units will end up forming together in midst of battle .. but this is not the same as pushing / force moving through your and the enemy lines , as well as stacking and any other(what would be considered) exploit tactics.



P.S. for Mountaingoat: this should be JAN ONLINE TOURNAMENT... true?

yes but then by the time everyone joined up , we would not be playing until feb :yes: :sweatdrop:

[antisocialmunky]

What about simply walking your forces around? They'll be moving through each other.

[Scipio Africanus]

It seems that we have a conflict here:thumbsdown:

[Skullheadhq]

We need to start quick, through, before the vacations end.

[Jebivjetar]

Come on people! Let's play!

Btw... i see that ASM and Mountaingoat are having discussion about the rule i've mentioned. Whatever you two decide about that, as far as i'm concerned: if i found that my opponent exploits the engine, runs through my units, charges through his own men, i'll just quit the match and that's it. And i don't care if that will count as my defeat. Amen. :whip:

[Skullheadhq]

Happened with me as well :(, totally lost the game.
Well, I think it's should be forbidden.

[mountaingoat]

What about simply walking your forces around? They'll be moving through each other.

around where ? around the enemy or around the map? ...

if you are moving units for the sake of making battle maneuvers and happen to have a unit bump into another or part of that unit crosses over to another unit .. then that is fine.. if for some reason you doing this as some kind of attack or defense stack exploit then not fine ...... it is simple ..

[Scipio Africanus]

Can we start the tournament?:inquisitive:Where are the other players?Everybody contact their team mates to get this tournament starting:yes:

[Skullheadhq]

Team Makedonia is ready when you are.

[_Agrippa_]

when you start the tournament?

[Scipio Africanus]

Well my team is ready exept that I can't find tsideku.:sweatdrop:

[mountaingoat]

guessing should start in a day or two ... just waiting for ppl to get online

[antisocialmunky]

...just waiting for ppl to get online

Everyone should just leave their computers on overnight then. :clown:

[mountaingoat]

ok , can we get a report on who is still in on the tournament ?

would like to start it by next week ... those of you still in , just make an appearance on hamachi or post in here...

if for some reason we can only get 6 ppl to play out of the 18 .. then we can just pick 2 teams and play it out best of 3 .. =P

[Titus Magnus]

i'm still here, just give me a date.

[olly]

I'm still in

[The Celtic Viking]

I'm here too, for now at least. Just get this thing started.

[Jebivjetar]

I have no time to play these days and i can't promise anything. If someone else is interested and wants to join this tournament, just take my place. I guess I'll play some other time.

[antisocialmunky]

Over 9000.

[vartan]

Over 9000.

YOU would, you would.

[Scipio Africanus]

When we start the tournament?

[vartan]

When we start the tournament?

Next December?

[Scipio Africanus]

Haha very funny

Next December?

[vartan]

Haha very funny
=) It is called the DECEMBER tourney after all...y'all should post replay links on OP!

[JinandJuice]

Hey guys! What's going on in this thread???

So I'm assuming this tourney hasn't...started yet?

[vartan]

Hey guys! What's going on in this thread???

So I'm assuming this tourney hasn't...started yet?
What tourney Mark? I just see this as another random thread, haha. Maybe y'all should prepare for March.

[mountaingoat]

hey yo! , have not been around here for a bit .. apologies waiting for this tournament , ( if anyone even was ) .. there was not enough organisation or willing participants for the scale in which i had hoped for .. but that's fine , i just wanted to post that if anyone else wanted to take over that they are free to do so ..

there seems to be a lack of quality software to get everyone connected at the same time , hamachi is just not the correct tool for a larger scale tournament such as this one .

anyway peace all
=)

[Scipio Africanus]

I'm still in.

[vartan]

hamachi is just not the correct tool for a larger scale tournament such as this one
Neither Hamachi nor Wippien nor Tunngle work for me now. I'm completely in the dark.

EDIT: Irrelevant now. EB Online is finally up and running and we will have monthly tournaments, and even juries for those who wish to volunteer. More info at webpage (http://ebonline.tk) (constantly updated, so keep checking, keep it bookmarked).