Great Captains of Rome: Total War

[BlackWatch McKenna]

Successor armies are actually quite varied. Some include:

Antipater, Craterus, Antigonus, Ptolemy, Seleucus and
Lysimachus.

For myself, "Go, Hannibal"

~BW

[Monk]

Quote[/b] ]Players can command entire Roman Legions, Greek phalanxes, barbarian hordes and the armies of Carthage, Egypt, and the Successor Kingdoms, each with a mix of exclusive units. that from http//www.totalwar.com

anyway...i ask you why did you exclude the Greeks and Egyptians from your vote?

[deejayvee]

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Feb. 05 2003,19:36)]anyway...i ask you why did you exclude the Greeks and Egyptians from your vote?
They are covered by "successor", I imagine.

They'd be the guys I'd go for (particularly Macedonian) because the Greeks were awesome and had the organisation required to conquer Rome.

The Germans could beat the Romans in the German forests, but I don't think they were organised enough to conquer and hold Rome.

The Carthaginians would be my 2nd pick.

[Monk]

well i would hope you are right about the Greeks, cuz i was looking forward to playing as them. my second pick would probly be the Romans, Followed by Carthage.

[rasoforos]

me too. And i d like to see some traditional powers apart from the succesors. There is no war without Sparta for example. AND I WANT TO SEE A NAVY http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[JAG]

i voted for germans, get in there my sons http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Alrowan]

celts all the way... who said unorganised rabble are weak?

[BlackWatch McKenna]

Greeks (and Macedonias) and Egyptians would be covered by the Families: Antipater (Antigone on this map?), Lysimachus, and Ptolemy


Here is a map of that time:
http://www.livius.org/di-dn/diadochi/diadochi_map_03.gif

Selucid Army all the way: Pikes + Heavy Cavalry + Oliphants + Sythe Chariots = mama mia

~BW

p.s. So, that explains it once and for all, Cleopatra had RED hair died Black - she was Greek, man. From the Ptolemy family. Check out the nose on that girl. Any doubts?

[BlackWatch McKenna]

"In the Navy, you can sail the seven seas..."
~Village People

Actually - the Punic Wars offer a GREAT chance for naval battles. My recollection is that the 1st War favored Carthage and the 2nd favored Rome in terms of Naval power - still -there were some huge battles with Triremes.

Also, Ptolemy had a nice Navy.

http://i-cias.com/e.o/atlas/h-punic_wars.htm

~BW

[chilliwilli]

I'm going to mess them up with Parthia http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

[Vlad The Impaler]

u also forgot the thracians ( dacians )

[ICantSpellDawg]

the celts were, are and always will be the greatest people ever

[Rosacrux]

I hope we get a purely Greek faction besides the diadochoi (like the Achaen or Aetolian koinon, maybe...or a mix of the southern city states not holded by the Macedonian kingdom at the time) to play those first.

Otherwise, I'll stick with the main Macedon kingdom, with Seleukids as my second draw and Ptolemaic as the third. When I am done with the Greeks, I'll play Rome, Karthagena (Carthago) and then I'll prolly try some messy, hairy, stinking northern barbarians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[DojoRat]

As the leader of the Celts I would harness the tribes ferocity and creativity and win victories the bards would praise until the stars grew dim. After that we'd get really hammered and throw up on ourselves.

[Vrashk]

Oliphants ? isnt that from LOTR and Beowulfs little blowing horn ?

[Tachikaze]

Parthians.

[bosdur]

Indeed, I cant wait to play with those elephants, I know some ppl might not like this, but those beasts better be unbalanced :smoking.

[Longshanks]

My first time through I'll definately play as the Romans, who are my favorite culture in antiquity. After that I'll probably play as Carthage.

Alternate history...Carthage wins the Punic Wars

[Rath]

My ancestry says Celts but my mind says Carthage...the enemy of Rome will become the conqueror of Rome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Ok so my Roman History is not up to scratch...when exactly were the Huns seen on the boarders as a threat? I know Atilla was arounf 630A.D. which is very late on for Rome.

So far we have Gauls and Visigoths, as tribes from the france/germany/poland area. Bit further south = Dacians with their cool standards. They had hollow wolf skins that when the wind went through them, it howled.(Possible re-creation for the game...????&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif But the Huns were in present day Ukraine were they not? Which was on the borders of the crumbling Empire.

Unfortunately, you cannot just harness the Mongols from MTW as the Huns, because of the new polygonal engine. But Atilla the Hun was a major player in the final fall of Rome.

Although since Huns weren't there, i went with good old Carthage. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Longshanks]

Quote[/b] (Toda Nebuchadnezzar @ Feb. 08 2003,19:41)]Ok so my Roman History is not up to scratch...when exactly were the Huns seen on the boarders as a threat? I know Atilla was arounf 630A.D. which is very late on for Rome.

So far we have Gauls and Visigoths, as tribes from the france/germany/poland area. Bit further south = Dacians with their cool standards. They had hollow wolf skins that when the wind went through them, it howled.(Possible re-creation for the game...????&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif But the Huns were in present day Ukraine were they not? Which was on the borders of the crumbling Empire.

Unfortunately, you cannot just harness the Mongols from MTW as the Huns, because of the new polygonal engine. But Atilla the Hun was a major player in the final fall of Rome.

Although since Huns weren't there, i went with good old Carthage. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The Huns appeared around on the fringes of the Empire around 420 A.D. They were never really a threat to the Roman Empire directly(at least not the Western Empire), as the Roman Empire had been in decline for over a century, and had fallen to Germanic barbarians a few years before.(the Hunnic invasions did hasten the fall of Rome indirectly, as the Germanic tribes they harrassed migrated and attacked across Rome's borders) By 450 A.D. when Attila led the Huns in an invasion of the west, the Western Roman Empire existed in name only, and a barbarian warlord named Aetius was effectively in control of Rome.

In 451 when Aetius defeated Attila at the Catalaunian Fields , the "Roman" army was actually composed mostly of barbarians...Visigoths and Franks.(some Romanized Gauls also) There wasn't an Italian Roman among them.

[Hakonarson]

by 451 the Roman army had been mostly "Barbarians" for 150 years.

there's no evidence that such "barbarians" weer any less romanised than other peoples had been prior to them tho - they certainly could be as well disciplined and equipped as any other "Romans".

But Rome itself was rather small - it had really lost control of huge areas to "invading" barbarians (a misnomer really - mostly they were invited in&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif but had been unable to absorb those new populations into a Roman political entity.

Hence what would once have been a Roman army with a few tribal allies was only about 1/3rd Roman with massive and relatively independant allied armies aiding it.

But to beat Rome:

Gaul - the only "nation" that did so during the period in question. Vandals are a bit too late for my tastes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Ckrisz]

If I recall correctly, Caesar conquered Gaul. How exactly did the Gauls "defeat" Rome?

If you're talking about battlefield reverses, probably the greatest single Roman defeat was at Carthaginian hands at Cannae.

[Nobunaga0611]

Carthaginians. Or maybe I might just pick a different faction, wait till the Romans attack Carthage, then engage them while they're weaker.

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (Ckrisz @ Feb. 13 2003,18:47)]If I recall correctly, Caesar conquered Gaul. How exactly did the Gauls "defeat" Rome?

If you're talking about battlefield reverses, probably the greatest single Roman defeat was at Carthaginian hands at Cannae.
The Gauls (actually those living in what we would call now "northern Italy") sacked Rome. Them only, before the final fall of Rome to the Goths. But that was before the era we are talking about, actually.

And, yes, probably the greatest military defeat of Rome at their height was Cannae, followed by the first Parthian campaign and Varuses fatal campaign in Teutenburg.

[Vlad The Impaler]

i would prefer to play with dacians.
if not , the second choice would pe parthians or goths .

[chilliwilli]

Quote[/b] (Ckrisz @ Feb. 13 2003,18:47)]If I recall correctly, Caesar conquered Gaul. How exactly did the Gauls "defeat" Rome?

If you're talking about battlefield reverses, probably the greatest single Roman defeat was at Carthaginian hands at Cannae.
Tuetonburg Forest was a nasty defeat also.

[Hakonarson]

Quote[/b] (Ckrisz @ Feb. 13 2003,18:47)]If I recall correctly, Caesar conquered Gaul. How exactly did the Gauls "defeat" Rome?
Gauls sacked Rome in 390BC and the Romans never forgot it - I think the battle befoer hand that caused the Romans to abandon Rome was "Allia" or something like that - we know almost nothing about it other than it happened.

[hrvojej]

Iberian Celts for me. They were the one of the most praised mercenaries in the Carthaginian army. Also, the only ones still standing while the rest of the Carthago army fled in their defeats, reputedly remaining to fight to the last man even if the cause was already lost.

[LordMonarch]

The Parthians they captured Valens.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Hakonarson]

Valens was killed by the goths at Adrianople.

you're thinking of Valerian, captured by Persians yes, but by Sapor of the Sassanid dynasty in 260 AD and never heard of again. Rumours had it that while he remained alive he was used as a foot/mounting stool by the Sassanid emperor, and when dead he was stuffed and kept as a trophy.

The Parthians were overthrown by the Sassanids about 220AD.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Pyrhos of Epiros will come to defend the Greek colonies of southern Italy from attack by the craven, upstart latins.

[Catiline]

And go home again to get killed by a tile thrown by a girl

[Pablo Sanchez]

Quote[/b] (Catiline @ Mar. 09 2003,03:50)]And go home again to get killed by a tile thrown by a girl
It was not a girl, it was an OLD LADY. Get it right. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

edit: added smiley

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Lower that tone Pablo Sanchez, please.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Quote[/b] (Ithaskar Fëarindel @ Mar. 09 2003,12:30)]Lower that tone Pablo Sanchez, please.
I was joking. Sorry, I forgot the smiley.

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Sorry then Pablo, just looked serious without it, and offensive.

Thanks for changing it too.

[lonewolf371]

Quote[/b] (chilliwilli @ Feb. 16 2003,10:28)]
Quote[/b] (Ckrisz @ Feb. 13 2003,18:47)]If I recall correctly, Caesar conquered Gaul. How exactly did the Gauls "defeat" Rome?

If you're talking about battlefield reverses, probably the greatest single Roman defeat was at Carthaginian hands at Cannae.
Tuetonburg Forest was a nasty defeat also.
Trebia and Lake Trasamine were also some of Hannabal's vitories, but Cannae was his greatest. I think we all know something the Roman generals didn't that day... Keep at least some measure of your army in reserve, as there will always be a chance situation in which you will need them more than ever.

[Lord Godfrey]

Carthage – The chance to be Hannibal and alter ancient history and have fun with war elephants at the same time.