a question about Hayasdan soldiers

[Andranik]

what say the Hayasdan soldiers if you click on there picture ?

[Rahwana]

AFAIK, they still didn't have their unit name voice yet... and if they are ordered, they use eastern unit responses.

[Watchman]

what say the Hayasdan soldiers if you click on there picture ?https://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3240/itisamystery.gif

[Andranik]

i have play and than i was hear that they say : alahu akbar

or something that sounded so

and i wantet to ask if you heard that too

[antisocialmunky]

No, though I think they say something that sounds kinda close(sounding).

[Ludens]

i have play and than i was hear that they say : alahu akbar

or something that sounded so

Allah Akbar?

If they say that, something is seriously wrong. That is a Muslim battlecry (it means "God is great").

[Andranik]

@antisocialmunky

indeed may be the only similar sounds (sry if this is not gramatic correct i make this bie translate.google.de)

@ludens

jes your right i know that that is a muslim cry



that is the reason why I opened this topic

To see if others heard that too

[antisocialmunky]

Allah Akbar?

If they say that, something is seriously wrong. That is a Muslim battlecry (it means "God is great").

Do you know what the sound recording is saying? I think its played when a move order is given.

[bobbin]

I couldn't find any that sounded like what was described, the closest one is a move order that sounds more like "Alahwan Faroz"

[A Very Super Market]

"Allah-u-Akbar" would make no sense. There are no muslims in 272 BC, nor do Armenians speak Arabic.

[Andranik]

i know that armenians not speak arabic and that are no muslims in 272 b.c.

but i play and hear something that sounded like "allahu akbar"

But maybe I'm just Interrogated myself

[Hax]

but i play and hear something that sounded like "allahu akbar"

But maybe I'm just Interrogated myself

The very thought of the Hay people actually speaking Arabic and worshipping a God whose position wasn't fully established until 800 years later is a bit..far-fetched.

[Andranik]

i have never say that the armenians speak arabic and believe in a god named allah

i have only say that i have heart something that was smilar with "alllahu akbar"

[A Very Super Market]

No offense, but it doesn't really warrant a thread if you yourself don't believe they said "Allah-u-Akbar".

[Havok.]

...lol

just enter the campaign and check again?
i don't know, but if he says something that sounds allahuh akbar(or something similar)

-doesn't mean they are actually saying literally like they were reading or something-

the pronounce could sound like that though, but it wouldn't mean they are actually speaking arabic or worshiping Allah.

[bobbin]

No offense, but it doesn't really warrant a thread if you yourself don't believe they said "Allah-u-Akbar".

He was only wondering what it was they were saying, he only said it sounded similar and was not implying thats what was being said.

As for the OP I couldn't find anything remotely sounding like "allah u akbar" apart from the "Alahwan Faroz" I mentioned earlier, perhaps you could give us more detail? is it a particular unit that says it or do all units say it? is it linked to giving and order such as attacking or movement?

[Ludens]

Do you know what the sound recording is saying? I think its played when a move order is given.

No, but... why ask me? I am not a team member, and the Eastern factions are hardly my speciality.

[Hax]

Foot would probably know, he's the Hay-guy.

[Andranik]

when i move the soldiers thay say sometime but not always something that similar with "allahu akbar"

but maybe bobbin is right and they say not allahu akbar they say probably Alahwan Faroz


@ hax

"Foot would probably know, he's the Hay-guy. "

who is foot ?

[Hax]

Just about the Supreme Leader of all that is EB.

EDIT: Well, actually..that's not exactly true. You had khelvan who is no longer active, and Steppe Merc and then there's Aymar, who is still around, I think. Teleklos Archelaou and Krusader seem to manage the team now, but I don't know whether they are specialised in eastern history. It'd be best to either ask Foot or The Persian Cataphract.

[Cute Wolf]

Holy LOLZ?!? If you are real, then your EB files must be mixed with Broken Crescent memory :clown:

AFAIK Armenians today are Christians :laugh4: , just ask Vartan.

[Hax]

AFAIK Armenians today are Christians :laugh4: , just ask Vartan.

I think Armenians are predominantly Christians, with some Muslims around. Christianity in Armenia is probably even older than the Roman Catholic Church.

[Cute Wolf]

Well, back on topic, I suspect you hear is the run shouting command... "Sembaon, Woroo Wuoroo!" that on some occasion can be mistook as "Sembaon, Aloooo Wooakboo" that war similar with "Allahu Akbar" yell

[gamegeek2]

From an Old EB Voicemod preview (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=90676):



The Parthian Pahlavî Project

“They ruled for more than three centuries, out of the four that was marked by the warrior-king Arsaces after slaying Andragoras. The Parthians ought to then be renowned after winning wars against Sacae, Seleucids, Bactrians and later the Romans. This is however not the case, as almost no surviving literati or textual corpus have been found from the colloquially Partho-Sassanian period. Thus the origins, but also the lineage of the Parthians remains obscure, and only referenced to in Graeco-Roman, Chinese and Indian sources. One may instantly wonder, how does one even start an effort in a voice-mod, let alone see through such an attempt when resources are sparse?

After almost nine months of studies in fragments and religious texts written in Old Persian, and Middle Persian (Pahlavî) as well as Pârsî as emerged from Ferdôwsî's national epic, the Shâhnâmêh, the audacious effort has from a handful of seeds blossomed into a garden. Extensive reading of sources such as the Bundâhîshn, Dênkârt, Kârnâmag-î Ardashîr-î Pâpakân, and commentaries of the Zend of Avestâ, in synchronization with the highly abused "Concise Pahlavî Dictionary" written by Prof. MacKenzie (It's concise alright...) and in comparative studying with fragments of inventories and dialogue sheets have proven to be an effective, albeit repeatitive method in understanding the structure of the language. As a native speaker, it is truly fascinating how truly alike the Middle Persian is to the Modern Persian, in spite of a significantly Arabicized vocabulary to the latter.

Another significant challenge was to adapt the Middle Persian, or largely Sassanian Pahlavî to the Parthian period in a homogenous manner in order to cover the four centuries of their political power era. As such the reconstruction contains residue from the previous Old Persian, which would mainly apply to early units; The Parthian Pahlavî was similar to the Old Persian language due to the fact that the Pahlavî they spoke resembled a mix of the Medean and Scythian tongue. In other words, the Parthians should be credited for conceiving the very basis of the Modern Persian language; A native speaker could with some effort understand Pahlavî, in difference to the Old Persian which more resembled Sanskrit. The ideal would have been to have some form of knowledge on the native Pârnî language; It is drastically different from the later Parthian language due to the fact that they belong to somewhat different branches of the Iranian language group. However due to an extreme scarcity of any representation of the Pârnî language, such ambitions were scrapped early on. This immediately lead to the choice of the Pahlavî/Middle Persian language. After all the player selects the Pahlavân for the sole reason of recreating a projected Persian Empire, and re-achieving what the Parthians did more than 2,000 years ago.

As for the effort within EB to reconstruct the Middle Persian language, it has been a labour of love which today stands finished in the form of a textual corpus of commands for the battle-field. The ambition does not finish there, but a separate chart for the campaign map will be composed, as will battle speeches. It is a premiere and a first time in the history of multimedia that a rendition of the Pahlavî language has ever been attempted and Europa Barbarorum takes great pride in breaking new grounds in the quest for achieving the status as a historically accurate and realistic simulator of the Hellenistic world. In combination with the Punic, Ancient Greek, Latin and Gallic voice-mods, in the humble opinion of the undersigned, no other effort have boasted such an extravagant spectrum of languages. It is a giant leap from the epic Hollywood movies, where accents were used to emphasize ethnic diversity. One must truly understand the implication of a bold attempt in reconstructing the poorly understood language of an entity which dominated the political scene of the post-Hellenistic Greater Iran for over eight centuries.

Naturally, besides the boasting, as with all voluntary works with limited verification, intellectual honesty is in place; We make no guarantees that the voice-mod of an extremely obscure and poorly attested language may be completely accurate. A dictionary with barely 4,000 entries had to be abused to death before significant progress could be made

So what happens afterwards, one may think in boring, legal context. For now, the project is the work-in-progress property of the Europa Barbarorum team, however once the voice-mod is complete and in-game, the textual corpus will become a public release available to anyone who wishes to make use of it.

Thanks go to Spurius_Brontosaurus, mAIOR and Kambiz for their interest and participation in the project, their enthusiasm provides the light of this frail candle of a dream in unveiling the greatness of Ancient Iranian culture ”

--The Persian Cataphract”

[Andranik]

i have never said that armenians are msulims !!!!!!!!

i know that armenias are christians - the first nation that was christian are the armenians !!!!



"Well, back on topic, I suspect you hear is the run shouting command... "Sembaon, Woroo Wuoroo!" that on some occasion can be mistook as "Sembaon, Aloooo Wooakboo" that war similar with "Allahu Akbar" yell"


hm .. your probably right

i will play again and make my volume more and than i probably hear it right ^^

[bobbin]

Alternatively you could go to "Rome - Total War\EB\Data\Sounds\Pahlava" in your game folder and find the sound file (they all play in windows media player), the "Alahwan Faroz" one I was talking about is named "Pahlava_General_1_Unit_Move_5"

[Weebeast]

Persians were very fond of their goddess Gwyneth Paltrow. This is reflected by the fact eastern skirmisher unit calls her name everytime you click....

[Rahwana]

Please no Muslim - Bashing again.... :whip:

[Weebeast]

Please no Muslim - Bashing again.... :whip:

Aaahh to a muslim begging please isn't complete without a threat in the end huh?

:sweatdrop:

It's a joke.


I don't think anyone is bashing muslim. OP just misheard.

[Rahwana]

Hey, did you want some threat? no, I won't start a flame war here (I was formerly a muslim, so I know them), but please show respect, as if this thread is spilled outside, you can made a public outcry here...

[artavazd]

I think Armenians are predominantly Christians, with some Muslims around. Christianity in Armenia is probably even older than the Roman Catholic Church.

Armenians aren't Muslims. Armenia is the first Christian nation. Officaly adopted Christianity in 301 AD

Anyways the Armenian units in Eb arent even speaking Armenian. I had started making translations for an Armenian voicemod, but I think it got held off, and most likely would be used for EB2.

[Olaf The Great]

Allah =/= the Islamic god
Allah=God in Arabic

If a christian, a Hindu or even a pagan was speaking Arabic, they'd be saying "Allah"

[bobbin]

Correct, although interestingly "allah" comes from the name of a pre-islamic arabian creator god.

[Hax]

I believe it stems from "Alat", who was a Moon God.


Armenians aren't Muslims. Armenia is the first Christian nation. Officaly adopted Christianity in 301 AD

I think there must be some Armenian Muslims around. Or at the very least, there are Muslims living in Armenia.

[ziegenpeter]

Oh come on guys, it's very obvious right from the beginning, that Andranik wasn't sincerely saying that any unit calls "god is great" in arabic. I think that was a joke. I laughed.

[bobbin]

Wasn't Allat supposed to be a daughter of Allah?, i'm not too knowlegable about this subject so your probably right.

[Andranik]

i think This topic has been answered and can be closed (sry if that was not gramatic correct i cant not so good englisch ...)

[artavazd]

I believe it stems from "Alat", who was a Moon God.



I think there must be some Armenian Muslims around. Or at the very least, there are Muslims living in Armenia.

Why do you assume there are? Armenians arent Muslims, and the only Muslims in Armenia are Iranian foriegn exchange students who come to study then leave for Iran.

Christianity has acted as a shield against Armenians being assimilated into the larger Muslim populations surrounded her. The only reason there are Armenians today, is because of Christiantiy.

[A Very Super Market]

No modern nation is totally ethnically homogenous. It's absurd to think otherwise.

[antisocialmunky]

While its true that there are very few true nation states in existence(mostly indigenous people on islands in the South Pacific), there are still a few as well as many that are nearly homogenous states such as Japan and Korea and others on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#The_nation-state_in_practice

[Olaf The Great]

No modern nation is totally ethnically homogenous. It's absurd to think otherwise.
Even Iceland isn't, there's french and turkish(inorite) families that have been there for hundreds of years.

[A Very Super Market]

While its true that there are very few true nation states in existence(mostly indigenous people on islands in the South Pacific), there are still a few as well as many that are nearly homogenous states such as Japan and Korea and others on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#The_nation-state_in_practice


artavazd gave us an absolute, and I answered.

[artavazd]

artavazd gave us an absolute, and I answered.



I didnt say Armenia is 100% homogeniouse. I said that there are no Muslim Armenians. Armenia is like 98% Armenian, with about 1% Yezidis (Zoroastrian Kurds) about 0.5% Russians, and the rest are small populations of Greeks and Assyrians. With each group making up about 0.2-0.3% of the population.

[Watchman]

What, are Armenians genetically incapable of converting to Islam or something ?
I smell BS.

[Moros]

Wasn't Allat supposed to be a daughter of Allah?, i'm not too knowlegable about this subject so your probably right.
Allah is not one word, but actually two. It means the one (sole) god. Though his exact function of a god probably varied from people tot people and time and region. He was considered as the creator and the god of rain by some. Allat was another god, godess actually, which was often identified with the stars (or moon) and was considered one of the three daughters of allah in makkah. She was also indentified with Athena during the hellenic era, and hence even depicted like her. She was especially popular in the north western regions of Arabia (Hawran & Edom area). Even at places where Allah wasn't the main deity, one of the more important ones, or not worshipped at all. Allah probably was the most popular and important in settlements on the western incense routes (Iatrib, makkah). At some places all three daughters of allah held an important place in the pantheon, yet allah himself almost seems or is absent. Great examples of this are Petra, Hegra, Palmyra and Hatra.

There's still a lot of research to be done on Pre-islamic religion, due to limited amount of sources and variations from region tot region and changes in time. However one can conclude that at his time Allat was a very popular godess which also held much importance in the north arabian pantheon, while allah seems to have been much more regional.

[Hax]

I didnt say Armenia is 100% homogeniouse. I said that there are no Muslim Armenians. Armenia is like 98% Armenian, with about 1% Yezidis (Zoroastrian Kurds) about 0.5% Russians, and the rest are small populations of Greeks and Assyrians. With each group making up about 0.2-0.3% of the population.

..there are Armenians outside Armenia, you know that?

[Cute Wolf]

What, are Armenians genetically incapable of converting to Islam or something ?
I smell BS.

1) They had endure genocide by their muslim Turkish overlords early in 20th century
2) They had long history of war and hatred with their Azerbajian neighbours
3) They are proud to be the first official Christian kingdom on earth

[bobbin]

Ethnicity is not the sole determinant of faith, while it is safe to say that the overwhelming majority of Armenian people are Christian you can't say that there are absolutely no Armenian muslims at all (a quick google search comes up with the Hemshin, a armenian people living in turkey who are partly muslim).

[artavazd]

..there are Armenians outside Armenia, you know that?


With all due respect, I as an Armenian know very well that there are Armenians outside of Armenia. Infact more Armenians live outside of Armenia than they do in Armenia. Main reason for this, is because of the Genocide. Armenians living in Lebanon, and Iran have kept their culture, language, and religion (Christianity) alive for all of these years. Infact those Armenians outside of Armenia tend to be more nationalistic (Christianity being a big part of Armenian nationalism) than do Armenians living in Armenia.

[artavazd]

Ethnicity is not the sole determinant of faith, while it is safe to say that the overwhelming majority of Armenian people are Christian you can't say that there are absolutely no Armenian muslims at all (a quick google search comes up with the Hemshin, a armenian people living in turkey who are partly muslim).



Yes, you are correct about the Hemshins. Their name comes from a nobleman named Hamas who in the middle ages moved from Kars close to the Armenian capital of Ani to what is today Trabizond. He established a community there and it was called Hamashen "shen" or "shinel" meaning to build or establish in Armenian. Therefore the Armenians of the area became known as Hamashen or Hemshin. However they are on the outmost fringes of the Armenian community. An interesting fact is, during the early 20th century when the Genocide was taking place, those Hemshins That escaped from Trabizond and made it to Western Georgia (Colchis) kept, or restablished the Christian faith. The ones who couldnt escape adopted Islam in order to not get killed.

[Andranik]

artavazd is right

there are more armenians outside then inside but the armenians are not a nation that chance his culture hostory and religion

artavazd live probably in usa and he dont know one armenian there is muslim or other religion

i am a Armenian too !

and i have never hear that in germany(where i live) a armenian is muslim or other


probably the persons they dont know the proud of armenians havet no idea what is proudness for his land historie origin and so on


armenians are very familiar and if the parents are christians than the kids will christians too

[Moros]

Now while I don't mind threads moving a bit OT to some other interesting aspects of history or EB itself. But let's not talk about genocides, religion, ... that's backroom material.
:yes:

[artavazd]

Now while I don't mind threads moving a bit OT to some other interesting aspects of history or EB itself. But let's not talk about genocides, religion, ... that's backroom material.
:yes:

Im just answering people's curiouse questions. Hopefuly its been answered, and if need be we can always talk through private texts.

[Ibrahim]

I believe it stems from "Alat", who was a Moon God.



I think there must be some Armenian Muslims around. Or at the very least, there are Muslims living in Armenia.

well, Allah is a contraction. the original name was al-ilah, which simply means "the God". as Bobbin said, he (well, technically "it") was the creator God, and the ocasional rain maker, equivalent to El or Yahweh. he was said to have a consort, al-ilahat, which as you might guess, means "the Godess"; her name was contracted to allat. pre-islamic poetry interchangeably use "al-ilah" and "allah", with allah becoming more common in the last quarter of the 6th century. this is part of the reason the word for God in the qur'an is Allah. Arab Christians and Jews then and now actually used/use "Allah" as well.

the first mention of either is in fact of al-ilahat (allat), in Herodotos' account of the arabians, where, mangling the arabic, he refers to "alilat". (this is in fact in the bibliography/links of the EB website).

now that that is out of the way, lets listen to Moros; best not start on the religious Q.

[Moros]

well, Allah is a contraction. the original name was al-ilah, which simply means "the God". as Bobbin said, he (well, technically "it") was the creator God, and the ocasional rain maker, equivalent to El or Yahweh. he was said to have a consort, al-ilahat, which as you might guess, means "the Godess"; her name was contracted to allat. pre-islamic poetry interchangeably use "al-ilah" and "allah", with allah becoming more common in the last quarter of the 6th century. this is part of the reason the word for God in the qur'an is Allah. Arab Christians and Jews then and now actually used/use "Allah" as well.

the first mention of either is in fact of al-ilahat (allat), in Herodotos' account of the arabians, where, mangling the arabic, he refers to "alilat". (this is in fact in the bibliography/links of the EB website).

now that that is out of the way, lets listen to Moros; best not start on the religious Q.
Do note that al'uzza and allat were often intermingled. And while Al'uzza was more popular in the early periods (Dedan) it would later become Allat that would be used the most. During our EB period it would be mainly Dushara (edomite god, adopted by north arabians) who represented the sun, Al Quam god of the night and al'uzza godess of the stars and power. By the end of our timeframe it would be allat that replaced al'uzza as being the godess of the stars and the arabian counterpart of Athena.


Im just answering people's curiouse questions. Hopefuly its been answered, and if need be we can always talk through private texts.
I know, but it's just a sensitive topic.

[vartan]

Hello my dearest of friends. Please, let's put aside the ignorance and the misunderstandings. Now will somebody answer the OP's question cause frankly I would've started a thread on this if he hadn't. I know I heard something similar to what he did. Now will somebody who has CONCRETE knowledge on the d*** issue answer the question? It's pretty useless responding if you don't know the answer, don't you think so? Jeezzzz.


So the soldiers don't really say Allah Akbar. Big friggin deal. Does anyone here know what they really say?

[Cambyses]

Hello my dearest of friends. Please, let's put aside the ignorance and the misunderstandings. Now will somebody answer the OP's question cause frankly I would've started a thread on this if he hadn't. I know I heard something similar to what he did. Now will somebody who has CONCRETE knowledge on the d*** issue answer the question? It's pretty useless responding if you don't know the answer, don't you think so? Jeezzzz.


So the soldiers don't really say Allah Akbar. Big friggin deal. Does anyone here know what they really say?

lol, welcome to the academic mind set. Why answer a question directly when you can spend hours talking about some "related" subject instead :book:. It might take a while on these boards for you to get a straight answer :beam:

[Cute Wolf]

Yeah, I know that it all hapened as misheard response voices... and maybe some poor quality speaker :laugh4:

[artavazd]

Hello my dearest of friends. Please, let's put aside the ignorance and the misunderstandings. Now will somebody answer the OP's question cause frankly I would've started a thread on this if he hadn't. I know I heard something similar to what he did. Now will somebody who has CONCRETE knowledge on the d*** issue answer the question? It's pretty useless responding if you don't know the answer, don't you think so? Jeezzzz.


So the soldiers don't really say Allah Akbar. Big friggin deal. Does anyone here know what they really say?

bro the Armenian units are not speaking Armenian. Their speaking Farsi. In Eb2 most likey they will be speaking Armenian. So in conclusion a Farsi speaker must answer the question.

[Hax]

Their speaking Farsi.

Actually, they are speaking Old Persian, which is related to Farsi, but not quite the same.

[artavazd]

Actually, they are speaking Old Persian, which is related to Farsi, but not quite the same.


It is the ancestor of Farsi. So a Farsi speaker would be the only one to really understand. Its like a modern English speaker understanind Shakspirean English.

[Hax]

It is the ancestor of Farsi. So a Farsi speaker would be the only one to really understand. Its like a modern English speaker understanind Shakspirean English.

EDIT: Actually, I looked it up. You are entirely right.

[Moros]

Normally they should say their unit name or an alternative translation. Otherwise they say some command. So it should depend on what unit you click or what command you give them. There's a list of all the things they say, but it's rather pointless to post. what unit says it and when?

[Cadwalader]

It is the ancestor of Farsi. So a Farsi speaker would be the only one to really understand. Its like a modern English speaker understanind Shakspirean English.

I think you're overestimating ordinary people's ability to understand their language's forerunners. An English text from the 11th century is nearly impossible to understand except for a few words for all but the ones with the right education. Modern Farsi and Middle Persian is separated by more than 2000 years.

Actually, nevermind, I found a comparison of a Middle Persian text and a modern translation and they looked surprisingly similar. I shouldn't make assumptions based on my experience with my own language and offer uninformed opinions. Sorry.

[vartan]

I think you're overestimating ordinary people's ability to understand their language's forerunners. An English text from the 11th century is nearly impossible to understand except for a few words for all but the ones with the right education. Modern Farsi and Middle Persian is separated by more than 2000 years.

Actually, nevermind, I found a comparison of a Middle Persian text and a modern translation and they looked surprisingly similar. I shouldn't make assumptions based on my experience with my own language and offer uninformed opinions. Sorry.

May your example be an example for all! Good job.

Artavazd what makes you think that in EB2 the Hai units will speak Hayeren? That would (ideally) require a Hai native speaker. Thankfully, though, you wouldn't really need much of a background in Grabar because your everyday Hai (present or past) doesn't speak Grabar. We speak vernacular Hayeren, whereas Grabar is reserved for the Clergy and for rather archaic, uber-formal texts. Now, I really wonder if EB Team is considering (or has considered) adopting a Hai voice for the units...

[bobbin]

Normally they should say their unit name or an alternative translation. Otherwise they say some command. So it should depend on what unit you click or what command you give them. There's a list of all the things they say, but it's rather pointless to post. what unit says it and when?

As i stated earlier i think the voice he's hearing goes a bit like "Alahwan Faroz" which corresponds to the "Pahlava_General_1_Unit_Move_5" sound file.

[Moros]

Ah then he'd be saying: "Pahlavân! Farrâz!"

[artavazd]

May your example be an example for all! Good job.

Artavazd what makes you think that in EB2 the Hai units will speak Hayeren? That would (ideally) require a Hai native speaker. Thankfully, though, you wouldn't really need much of a background in Grabar because your everyday Hai (present or past) doesn't speak Grabar. We speak vernacular Hayeren, whereas Grabar is reserved for the Clergy and for rather archaic, uber-formal texts. Now, I really wonder if EB Team is considering (or has considered) adopting a Hai voice for the units...

your right. The ideal Armenian would be Classical Armenian (Grapar) however if need be we can settle with vernacular. Besides having vernacular Armenian would be more historicaly accurate than having Armenians speaking middle Persian right? :yes:

[vartan]

your right. The ideal Armenian would be Classical Armenian (Grapar) however if need be we can settle with vernacular. Besides having vernacular Armenian would be more historicaly accurate than having Armenians speaking middle Persian right? :yes:

Exactly, and most accurate would be the everyday spoken word, the vernacular. I would be surprised if the mardig swordsmen company leader had a proper background in Grabar...:laugh4: Like I said, most well-versed in Grabar are in the Church. Get your microphone ready Arto! Haha! :yes:

[artavazd]

Exactly, and most accurate would be the everyday spoken word, the vernacular. I would be surprised if the mardig swordsmen company leader had a proper background in Grabar...:laugh4: Like I said, most well-versed in Grabar are in the Church. Get your microphone ready Arto! Haha! :yes:



Well Grabar/Grapar (Classical Armenian) WAS the vernacular atleast in the 4th century AD. Its not like they thought of a "proper" form to speak. As languages change over time, what was everyday vernacular Armenian during late antiquity becomes "Classical" Armenian today.

[bobbin]

Besides having vernacular Armenian would be more historicaly accurate than having Armenians speaking middle Persian right? :yes:
I think they intend to change this when they have the time and money to do it, middle persian is probably just a placeholder until they record a proper Armenian voicemod.

[artavazd]

I think they intend to change this when they have the time and money to do it, middle persian is probably just a placeholder until they record a proper Armenian voicemod.

yeah I know. foot and I were actualy working on this, but it was put on hold. So for EB2 there would most likey be an Armenian voicemod.

[vartan]

Well Grabar/Grapar (Classical Armenian) WAS the vernacular atleast in the 4th century AD. Its not like they thought of a "proper" form to speak. As languages change over time, what was everyday vernacular Armenian during late antiquity becomes "Classical" Armenian today.

What people spoke every day wasn't the same as what the texts held. The same goes for today, except you see more and more books being written in your everyday language. The Bible is a major exception, for clear purposes. People didn't go around speaking Grabar because it is exactly that--GRA-bar, written word. People spoke Ashxarabar -- ASHXARA-bar, your everyday, typical spoken language. Sure the syntax, grammar, and vocabulary weren't the exact same, but the distinction between the literal and the spoken has always been present.


yeah I know. foot and I were actualy working on this, but it was put on hold. So for EB2 there would most likey be an Armenian voicemod.

I'd love to play EBII and hear the voices in Hayeren. Is anybody definitively working on this or is it only "planned" ?

[Ibrahim]

Do note that al'uzza and allat were often intermingled. And while Al'uzza was more popular in the early periods (Dedan) it would later become Allat that would be used the most. During our EB period it would be mainly Dushara (edomite god, adopted by north arabians) who represented the sun, Al Quam god of the night and al'uzza godess of the stars and power. By the end of our timeframe it would be allat that replaced al'uzza as being the godess of the stars and the arabian counterpart of Athena.


I know, but it's just a sensitive topic.

ah yes, thanks for the addition.