Mini Mafia Game Seven Man Scrimmage 1: C4 [Concluded] [Archive]

Diamondeye

01-02-2010, 15:16

SMS 1: C4

First of all, allow me to produce a short introduction to the concept of this - and the following - mini mafia games I am going to host. These games will be Seven Man Scrimmages, abbrevated SMS. As such, all of them will require only seven players to run.

The characteristics of these SMS-games are that, while I do try to maintain a certain balance, I will be experimenting with what roles I include in the games and utilize many of the roles that are normally not used in smaller mafia games.

This first game will be based on the standard C9-setup, but instead of the two traditional roles of doctor and cop, I will be using some more exotic roles. There are two mafia.

I need seven sign-ups for this to start. Sign-ups are now open!

Sign-ups (6½/7 - full):
ATPG
CDf
Beefy
Thermal Mercury
Atheotes
Subotan
(Renata)

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2010, 21:28

I am super busy, but I was invited/requested to sign up, so I shall.

Hey, everyone; DiamondEye is a SPECTACULAR host, and has hosted a game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=334680) where yours truly, Askthepizzaguy, got his butt handed to him and his entire wolf team went down very early on, and the game was still fascinating and exciting enough for me to watch the whole thing until the end.

Dudes, if you've got time, sign up. Let's make DE welcome, and experience his greatness.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-02-2010, 21:59

Ok by request I am in, although I had hoped to stay out of anymore games till I was dead in netherworld or blackadder. :bow:

Renata

01-02-2010, 21:59

Urk, Diamondeye, I'm afraid I'd ruin the game by my lack of time! :) I'll play if you really need me, though.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2010, 22:00

And Renata was the one who brought me down.

FOR SHAME!!! :laugh4:

Diamondeye

01-02-2010, 22:45

Ok by request I am in, although I had hoped to stay out of anymore games till I was dead in netherworld or blackadder. :bow:

That can be arranged for :laugh4:

Juuuust kidding ;)

Sprig

01-02-2010, 23:49

whaa i want to but I am busy resurrecting you in my x-men game :P

Beefy187

01-02-2010, 23:59

I'm in :bow:

I like new stuff :2thumbsup:

Subotan

01-03-2010, 00:52

Hm. How long will it last, as I have exams next week.

Thermal

01-03-2010, 00:55

In :yes:

Diamondeye

01-03-2010, 01:18

Hm. How long will it last, as I have exams next week.

It will stay within the 120-hr. rule there is for mini mafia games. So no worries if there's 8 days till your exams.

atheotes

01-03-2010, 09:57

in:bow:

Subotan

01-03-2010, 12:15

It will stay within the 120-hr. rule there is for mini mafia games. So no worries if there's 8 days till your exams.

Great. In.

Diamondeye

01-03-2010, 14:18

All roles have been distributed and the game has started! Days and nights are both 24 hrs, but in order to get on schedule this first day will last 31 hours.

If you have not recieved a PM, you're an ordinary townsperson.

Please keep votes in the traditional form. Ties will be resolved by random number generation.

Beefy187

01-03-2010, 14:32

Stay away from me man!
I have a bomb!
If you try and kill me, I'll blow you up!

Renata

01-03-2010, 15:00

I hope that's a joke.

Subotan

01-03-2010, 15:18

In that case
Vote; Beefy

Thermal

01-03-2010, 18:43

vote: ATPG

I'm thinking diamondeye will have an evil role for his civ fanatic buddy. :whip:

Askthepizzaguy

01-03-2010, 18:44

Wrong, Thermal.

And Beefy either has a bomb or a jester role if he's claiming to have a bomb. Sounds like WIFOM to me.

Thermal

01-03-2010, 18:50

Wrong, Thermal.

Its my way of saying random vote. I might change it later on :shrug:

Subotan

01-03-2010, 21:49

Wrong, Thermal.

And Beefy either has a bomb or a jester role if he's claiming to have a bomb. Sounds like WIFOM to me.

Which is why I voted for him. Last guy to vote for a bomb gets blown to smithereens

Renata

01-03-2010, 22:15

If he's Town and has a bomb, claiming it is an idiot move. The idea is to get yourself night-killed, but what Mafia is going to target a claimed Bomb?

If he's a Jester -- well, I'm in too many games anyway. :D

vote: Beefy

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 00:16

Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

Speak or die.

Beefy187

01-04-2010, 01:01

On a more serious note, I rather not die.
I rather blow up someone during the night then lynched.

Vote: CDF

Pressure vote

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 01:03

unvote, vote: atheotes

Keeps the votes spread out.

Beefy187

01-04-2010, 01:15

Unvote, Vote: atheotes

Keeps the vote tied :clown:

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-04-2010, 01:17

Vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

Speak or die.

Gah. sorry Busy day and I did not recieve a PM, so I did not realize this started....

:sweatdrop:

Vote: Beefy

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 01:21

Unvote, vote: Cultured Drizzt Fan

Beefy187

01-04-2010, 01:22

I think its Renata. But it could be CDF.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 01:25

Jump on my bandwagon again, Beefy.

Beefy187

01-04-2010, 01:26

I think I will

Unvote, Vote: CDF

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 01:32

I think CDF may be telling the truth. He's specifically claiming he's a basic townie.

Perhaps we give Renata her wish.

unvote, vote: Renata

Beefy187

01-04-2010, 01:35

And Beefy follows

Unvote,Vote: Renata

Renata

01-04-2010, 01:42

Lynch 'em both.

Subotan

01-04-2010, 11:54

Unvote; Vote Thermal Mercury

Renata

01-04-2010, 14:38

Subotan

01-04-2010, 14:50

Unless the bomb is so that it detonates only when that person is lynched.

Renata

01-04-2010, 16:59

Quite aside from the question of whether Diamondeye would put such a role in a 7 person game with two mafia, it's still nonsensical to announce it 14 minutes after the start of the game. The way he did it, if he's town, he pretty much ensured he's *not* going to get Mafia with it. He's not town by any standards of rational play or rational game design. Lynch him.

Diamondeye

01-04-2010, 17:08

Roughly 4 hours left of today. Be aware that the update might not be spot on 21:00 CET due to some mehness with my wifi.

Tally:
Subotan: Thermal
Thermal: ATPG
Renata: Beefy
ATPG: Renata
Beefy: Renata
CDf: Beefy

As such, there is currently a tie between Renata and Beefy with two votes each.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 18:11

unvote, vote: atheotes

Since he's not voting, he's no big loss if he dies.

Thermal

01-04-2010, 19:35

Unvote; Vote Thermal Mercury

Oh would you look, your now the only player who hasn't been voted for at some point. :beam:

Well I wouldn't want you feeling lonely :wink: unvote, vote: subotan

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 19:39

So thermal.

You're a basic townie, right?

Thermal

01-04-2010, 19:40

So thermal.

You're a basic townie, right?

Not quite sure how to answer that one. :balloon2:

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 19:41

Not quite sure how to answer that one. :balloon2:

The truth would be helpful in this situation.

Thermal

01-04-2010, 19:45

The truth would be helpful in this situation.

Well ok, no i'm not a basic townie.

Renata

01-04-2010, 19:47

unvote. vote: atheotes

atheotes

01-04-2010, 19:49

Seriously, people -- since when does a town bomb advertise as such right off the bat on day one? It makes no sense for town, nor even really for a jester; it's a move calculated to scare people away from lynching. That's mafia play.

:embarassed: Did not realize the game had started.

I have never played a game with a "town bomb" in it. I am not sure how the role plays out or should be played. If he is town bomb indeed and will take down mafia with him, the mafia alone will benefit from lynching him. If he is mafia and has claimed such a role, that is real ballsy indeed. But i don't think that is the case here.
vote:Renata

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 19:56

I note that there have been two pro-town claims made.

I find it very interesting you non-talkative people aren't calling them a liar.

Especially because all the non pro-town roles have claimed.

Renata

01-04-2010, 20:04

:embarassed: Did not realize the game had started.

I have never played a game with a "town bomb" in it. I am not sure how the role plays out or should be played. If he is town bomb indeed and will take down mafia with him, the mafia alone will benefit from lynching him. If he is mafia and has claimed such a role, that is real ballsy indeed. But i don't think that is the case here.
vote:Renata

You miss my point by rather a lot. If he's for real, then by claiming bomb he's pretty much ensured he will take down Town in a lynch and not mafia; and mafia will stay away from him at night so he won't get them then either. His very claim made the "will take down Mafia" part moot. You should realize that.

Renata

01-04-2010, 20:06

Well ok, no i'm not a basic townie.

Why'd you admit it?

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 20:10

You do realize, that by not calling Thermal Mercury a liar and claiming a pro-town role, Subotan, atheotes, that you're incriminating yourselves.

You're claiming basic townie by default, when all of those have been claimed. Hence we know where to direct the lynch.

Thermal

01-04-2010, 20:17

Why'd you admit it?

ATPG asked me to, and I always feel pressured when asked questions like that... :sweatdrop:

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 20:29

There's only 30 minutes left, and this game will probably be decided on round one.

Subotan: Thermal
Thermal: subotan
Renata: atheotes
ATPG: atheotes
Beefy: Renata
CDf: Beefy
atheotes: Renata

atheotes: 2
Renata: 2
Beefy: 1
Thermal: 1
Subotan: 1

If you make a decision, do it now. It is lynch a mafia or die time.

Thermal

01-04-2010, 20:31

Well It would be scummy to change votes this late in, but as stupid as it sounds, I do have a bad vibe on Renata...

My inklings are usually wrong, though.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 20:33

I also have a bad vibe on Renata. Private conversations with her ran the gamut from totally uncooperative and suspicious of me to reluctant to claim to praising how scary I am as a townie.

I feel her behavior indicates that she was put on the spot and didn't know how to react.

You're the pro-townie, it is your call, Thermal.

atheotes

01-04-2010, 20:41

You miss my point by rather a lot. If he's for real, then by claiming bomb he's pretty much ensured he will take down Town in a lynch and not mafia; and mafia will stay away from him at night so he won't get them then either. His very claim made the "will take down Mafia" part moot. You should realize that.

I have never seen Beefy change his play style whether mafia or town. I dont think he is going to pull such a move in this game.
If you believe Beefy is mafia why did you take your vote off him? Avoid the whiplash when he turns out to be pro-town? you thought i will not show up and so an easier target? :inquisitive:

You do realize, that by not calling Thermal Mercury a liar and claiming a pro-town role, Subotan, atheotes, that you're incriminating yourselves.

You're claiming basic townie by default, when all of those have been claimed. Hence we know where to direct the lynch.

huh? :dizzy2: since when does claiming a role early indicate someone's true affiliation or mean that they are telling the truth?
if this was someone other than you, i would have voted for you right away for role sniffing.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 20:46

Very well, unvote, vote: Renata

Renata

01-04-2010, 20:50

If I get lynched, pay attention to what I said about Beefy. I have my reasons for switching my vote to Atheotes, and yes, they are because I was presented with something that makes me think he just might be pro-town despite that BS claim. I voted Atheotes as a lurking alternative, and his by-the-book interpretation of the bomb role (ignoring the current circumstances) doesn't help him, but I'm also suspicious of ATPG for possibly being too accepting of Beefy. Best I can do.

ATPG has never played a game with me (in the category of completed, or we're both dead, and have actually interacted much) where he has been town, and therefore he doesn't have a good read on how I play as town myself, keep that in mind. My opinions once made are very strong, and it takes a lot to change them.

Renata

01-04-2010, 20:52

If you're town, you've misjudged me, ATPG. I hope you're mafia at this point; I don't like to be misunderstood.

Renata

01-04-2010, 20:58

That is to say, if I'm going to be lynched as Town, I prefer it to be mafia running the show. When it's Town it's just depressing.

Beskar

01-04-2010, 21:02

I think you've upset Renata. Bad Pizza.

Renata

01-04-2010, 21:06

My hero! *swoons* :)

Beskar

01-04-2010, 21:12

If you want to be mine, I need a replacement player. Basically it is at the end of the game, but some one unfortunately has to leave and they left a big PM of their thoughts etc for anyone who wants to take over. :beam:

(Sorry for the slight hijack of the thread Diamond Eyes. I was reading your game, looks good. :thumbsup:)

Renata

01-04-2010, 21:15

Ah ok. Sure, why not.

Subotan

01-04-2010, 21:29

EDIT: Ah , missed it.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 21:30

That vote will be late.

Thermal

01-04-2010, 21:33

Final Tally, then:

Renata: 3
atheotes: 1
Beefy: 1
Thermal: 1
Subotan: 1

Diamondeye

01-04-2010, 21:49

Vote Tally:

Subotan: Thermal
Thermal: Subotan
Renata: Atheotes
ATPG: Renata
Beefy: Renata
CDf: Beefy
Atheotes: Renata

Renata is lynched with 3 votes against Beefy/Thermal/Subotan/Atheotes' 1 each...

Renata was an ordinary townsperson!

It is now night - day comes in roughly 23 hours.
People with night abilities, send in orders please!

Player overview:
Alive (6):
ATPG
Subotan
Beefy
CDf
Thermal
Atheotes

Dead (1):
Renata (lynched day 1, townie)

Renata

01-04-2010, 22:05

Beefy tomorrow, pretty please.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2010, 22:06

I agree. Beefy lied... something didn't happen that he said would happen.

Thermal

01-04-2010, 22:57

:worried2:

:wall:

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-04-2010, 22:59

I agree. Beefy lied... something didn't happen that he said would happen.

.....

Beefy187

01-05-2010, 02:10

Sorry I lost the game for the town :shame:
Pizza misunderstood what I told him.

And my mafia detecting skill is terrible as always :shame:
Lynch me.

atheotes

01-05-2010, 02:40

we lynched a townie :wall: I guess there is more going on through private conversations than in the thread. :help:

Thermal

01-05-2010, 17:15

Spill the beef beefy :whip:

Diamondeye

01-05-2010, 20:50

The night reveals that there has been a killing! The town has lost its one and only pizza delivery guy!
ATPG was an ordinary townsperson!

Narrowed down to five people, you need to be spot on to have a chance now!

It is now day - night comes in roughly 24 hours.
Remember to keep votes in the standard format!
The dead can (as you noticed) talk all they want.

Player overview:

Alive (5):
Subotan
Beefy
CDf
Thermal
Atheotes

Dead (2):
Renata (lynched day 1, townie)
ATPG (killed night 1, townie)

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 20:52

I was bluffing. I do not want Beefy to die.

Focus your efforts elsewhere.

Thermal

01-05-2010, 20:58

Vote: Subotan

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 21:04

Thermal Mercury claimed a power role. Because no one has challenged that claim, that tells me that his claim was legitimate.

That means you've effectively proven him innocent. There are now only 3 suspects. (Subotan, CDF, atheotes)

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-05-2010, 21:07

Don't you mean 4 suspects? (nevermind, missed your edit. Either way how are you sure beefy is innocent? :inquisitive:)

anyway, Vote: Atheotes for being third on the Renata Bandwagon

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 21:13

Well it's just a matter of this:
2 power roles remain
2 mafia remain
1 basic townie
2 power roles have claimed
no one said they were lying last round
that imcriminates everyone who isn't one of the two claimants.
that means we have a 2/3 chance of lynching a mafia today

Does everyone get this?

1. If you are a pro-town role, and you're not Beefy or Thermal, WHY DIDNT YOU CALL THEM A LIAR LAST ROUND??? We would have had a 1/3 chance of lynching a mafia last round, and if we lynched a pro-town role, we would have a 1/2 chance of lynching a mafia this round.

2. By not calling Beefy or Thermal a liar, you've proven you're either the ONE basic remaining townie, or a MAFIA SCUMBAG.

3. You've also proven Beefy and Thermal's claims are both legitimate.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-05-2010, 21:14

Thermal

01-05-2010, 21:14

That leaves subotan, athelotes, beefy, CDF

I'm sticking with subo :smash:

Diamondeyes, can I communicate with players outside of the thread that are dead or alive?

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 21:16

That's generally frowned upon (dead people), but it is the host's call.

You can talk to us in-thread, can you not?

Remember, Beefy's been proven innocent by the lack of other claims.

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 21:17

Ohhh.... Cool. :yes: So it does not matter if I vote subotan or atheotes, they have to both be scum?? :inquisitive: (unless beefy is lying..... which I still think)

Beefy isn't lying.

If Beefy were lying, someone in this game would have to step forward (as this is the last round if we get this wrong) and CALL HIM A LIAR by claiming a pro-town role. All power roles MUST claim now.

Therefore, Beefy isn't lying. You, for example, are either a basic townie or a mafia scum, because you haven't claimed.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-05-2010, 21:19

Beefy isn't lying.

If Beefy were lying, someone in this game would have to step forward (as this is the last round if we get this wrong) and CALL HIM A LIAR by claiming a pro-town role. All power roles MUST claim now.

Therefore, Beefy isn't lying. You, for example, are either a basic townie or a mafia scum, because you haven't claimed.

I already told you all I never got a PM. :juggle2: So I guess that makes me the only townie left

Thermal

01-05-2010, 21:22

I have a good feeling I'm missing school tomorrow, amazingly thick snow, it better not melt....

I don't think I should share anything given the fragile situation town is already in.

Renata

01-05-2010, 21:24

Hmm? There's fragile and then there's lynch or lose. This is the latter. If people don't put it on the line now, then when?

Diamondeye

01-05-2010, 21:26

That leaves subotan, athelotes, beefy, CDF

I'm sticking with subo :smash:

Diamondeyes, can I communicate with players outside of the thread that are dead or alive?

As ATPG said, that is generally frowned upon. Please keep it in the thread if you want to discuss this game with them. You are of course welcome to talk to them about anything else. :clown:

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 21:33

I don't think I should share anything given the fragile situation town is already in.

This is the last round of the game, for most intents and purposes. Spill it, or I will call you a liar.

Thermal

01-05-2010, 21:45

Well its basically that I know of a confirmed innocence, if It was about knowing who a mafia ia I would have said straight away, but revealing an innocent player targets them really. I'll still proceed to say who it is, if you think that's the right course of action, though I don't personally.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-05-2010, 21:55

Thermal

01-05-2010, 22:21

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 23:08

Was seeing if anyone else thought I should go ahead and say it but if there were objections I guess I would have heard them.

Well between all the theories of someone being innocent, someone being guilty etc. All I can say is, Athelotes is innocent. Which giving the player left, leaves Subotan & CDF, though nothing about CDF has looked scummy to me, generally.

:inquisitive:

Why would CDF seem so enthusiastic for you to reveal that the innocent in question wasn't him? That incriminates him.

So let me get this straight:

Beefy187: Claimed to have a role. No one counter claimed.
Thermal Mercury: Claimed to have a role. No one counter claimed.

Ok? That means these ARE our two pro-town roles.

Now... that leaves 2 scums and 1 townie left.

Subotan
CDF
atheotes

Our confirmed pro-town role just said atheotes was innocent.

By process of deduction and elimination: Subotan and CDF are guilty.

Is everyone clear on this, and does anyone object? Last chance, before we make a major screw up.

Remember, the only way out of this is if anyone else claims a pro-town role.

Thermal

01-05-2010, 23:14

Remember, the only way out of this is if anyone else claims a pro-town role.

You almost encourage people to lie, if they don't agree with the decision...

CDF didn't know who I investigated until I publicly announced it, given that I told everyone it was a confirmed innocence I received, he must have known (even with his enthusiasm) that there was roughly only a 1/5 chance of it being him (and I thought athelotes much more suspicious, hence the investigation). I wouldn't have concluded CDF is mafia, but if beefy truly must be innocent (not that I think he definitely is, same thing as me I guess) then I guess those 2 seem like the ones to go for.

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 23:16

You almost encourage people to lie, if they don't agree with the decision...

If someone counter-claims you at this point, it seems like they are admitting their guilt. So.... I am inviting them to do so.

Why is that a bad thing? I enjoy setting up traps for people to walk into. But it's not necessary, as they have already admitted their guilt by default by not claiming a power role last round.

Thermal

01-05-2010, 23:25

If someone counter-claims you at this point, it seems like they are admitting their guilt. So.... I am inviting them to do so.

Why is that a bad thing? I enjoy setting up traps for people to walk into. But it's not necessary, as they have already admitted their guilt by default by not claiming a power role last round.

Well that's fine by me, I just accidentally walked into your trap in the process. :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 23:36

See, when 2 people claim in a game like this to have more than a basic townie role, and there is someone in the audience watching this happen, and they have a power role... their not saying anything is a bad move on the first round. But it is absolutely incriminating on the second round. This is the final lynch of the game if we miss. So by not saying they have a pro-town role, they have sealed their claim as being a basic townie. But we know there is only one basic townie left. So our liars are among the basic townie claims, not among the pro-town role claimants.

Now, the only other option I see is that Thermal Mercury has an incompetent detective role. Which means that atheotes is guilty, and one of the two remaining are innocent.

However, the problem with that is that having 2 mafiosi on the same team in a game with 7 players is a very large advantage. The game is literally on the line with this lynch. Having an incompetent detective role means that we still have only a 2/3 chance of lynching a mafia today.

There's a chance he has such a role, but I wouldn't bet on it. It wouldn't change our situation either, we still have to lynch either Subotan or CDF, as the odds of their guilt are either 1:1 or 1:2, unlike everyone else in the game.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-05-2010, 23:45

:inquisitive:

What? Somebody is either lying or I never got my mafia PM.

Askthepizzaguy

01-05-2010, 23:52

Then we might assume Thermal is a bad detective role.

I'd go for Subotan.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-05-2010, 23:55

as you wish

Unvote: Atheotes, Vote: Subotan

Beefy187

01-06-2010, 00:56

Vote: Subotan

Renata

01-06-2010, 00:58

It can't be TM *and* Beefy, because no one has claimed power role other than them, and for Diamondeye to make a no power-role game after saying the whole point of this series was to explore power roles would be kinda rude. ATPG is convinced that the wording of the rules indicates two power roles and exactly two power roles. I think that's a bit of a thin thread to hang a do-or-die lynch on. As far as I'm concerned, both claimed power roles have been flaky, and I don't think I'll ever really understand you .org-ers if you are both Town.

Beefy -- claims Bomb, hence ensuring he'll never take out Mafia. ATPG says Beefy does weird things, well OK.
Thermal Mercury -- soft-claims power role, unaccountably does NOT get killed, then comes in today first doing a fake-out double-vote on Subotan and then claiming he's investigated atheotes as innocent. This despite Diamondeye saying he wanted to get away from doc+cop. So bomb+cop instead? Or just bomb?

CDF -- cold as ice if he's Mafia.
Subotan -- where are you ..... Showed up conspicuously late yesterday to switch from Thermal Mercury to atheotes after the former's partial claim.
Atheotes -- voted me, along with Beefy and ATPG. Lynched 100% by Town? That'd suck.

I have the uneasy feeling I may be making Mafia's arguments for them, but it has to be said. You guys are weird, no offense.

Beefy187

01-06-2010, 01:04

I stuffed up badly. And I apologize Renata. I hope you'll treat me nicely in NotW :clown:

Theres also a possibility of Pizza being the mafia. And if he is, I stuffed up even more badly

Renata

01-06-2010, 01:11

Psst, pizza's dead.

By all means come talk to me in NOTW, I need company.

Sometimes playing Mafia is easier; this would be one of those games. I think I could make a case against anyone right now.

Beefy187

01-06-2010, 01:17

Ah, I missed the night write ups :sweatdrop:

Ignore me.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-06-2010, 01:18

Psst, pizza's dead.

By all means come talk to me in NOTW, I need company.

Sometimes playing Mafia is easier; this would be one of those games. I think I could make a case against anyone right now.

These NoTW's intrigues me, they would not happen to be at TWC would they?

Beefy187

01-06-2010, 01:25

Its in Civ fanatics :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2010, 01:27

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-06-2010, 01:31

You really need to come join us. So many awesome people came here from CFC, so we need to return the favor.

Civilization Fanatics Forums. Forum games section. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154)

Hhhhmmmmm..... I will give it some thought. I don't play much civ anymore, but hey don't have too to join forum games. (I am trying to lower my mafia intake Pizza. stop pulling me back in :brood:)

Thermal

01-06-2010, 02:03

Thermal Mercury -- soft-claims power role, unaccountably does NOT get killed, then comes in today first doing a fake-out double-vote on Subotan and then claiming he's investigated atheotes as innocent. This despite Diamondeye saying he wanted to get away from doc+cop. So bomb+cop instead? Or just bomb?

I will admit I was a bit of an idiot for at an instance trying to double vote against someone, it was just to reinforce that I wanted to lynch him. :laugh4:

No one has specifically asked for my role so I guess it can be seen as a soft claim. Would you like more information on it? As for not getting killed, well Its out of my hands, Beefy also confessed to some strange role one way or another, yet it was ATPG who was killed. I think everyones active enough to know exactly what there doing. :bow: At least someone is trying to question my errors and I have made a few. It's your judgment and keeping an open mind never hurt, too much. :egypt:

Whilst you have picked up on quite a few points, weighing up ATPG's points (it is likely there are 2 power roles) I'm happy to go with process of elimination.

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2010, 02:12

This first game will be based on the standard C9-setup, but instead of the two traditional roles of doctor and cop, I will be using some more exotic roles. There are two mafia.

Indicates at least two "exotic" pro-town roles. Beefy's claimed role qualifies, and Thermal being an incompetent detective would account for the other.

Two mafia. Two pro-town roles. No one else has claimed, that makes 3 basics, two of which are already dead. Seems clear-cut to me. However, Thermal's detective claim is dubious in that detectives are a very common, non-exotic role. So I suggest he is an incompetent detective, that makes it more exotic.

*This is just my opinion please do not take my word as law or follow me blindly and then blame me if I am wrong I'm dead I cannot vote decide for yourselves.

Thermal

01-06-2010, 02:19

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2010, 02:23

Well I guess I should explain my role now seeing as it will make little different evidently to whether I live or die.

My role is exotic to say the least, I'm kinda like a slot machine I guess.

At the start of each night I picked a number, 1, 2 or 3.

I picked 3, and so Diamondeye's said I got to investigate someone. I don't know if he swaps each numbers function around, but I've only had chance to use one. Sorry to burden you with this now, but I want to make my role clearer as Renata requests. It can't do much harm to say, I don't think... :balloon2:

That's perfect, that's either a very believable lie (kudos) or exactly the sort of strange role that would seem to fit in with beefy's crazy role.

I believe Subotan makes an excellent lynch; and it seems that we go for Cultured Drizzt Fan tomorrow instead of atheotes, because I am guessing a slot machine detective has a much better chance of not being incompetent.

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-06-2010, 02:28

Thermal

01-06-2010, 02:31

Interesting. So there is a possibility the numbers might have a bearing on both what you do as well as its accuracy no?

Exotic enough for me. Bu I am still not guilty so you messed up somewhere in there

Well assuming he doesn't swap them round, then yes. Not exactly sure about accuracy, I think this role would be more ideal on a game with more nights than this one has for sure.

And well, lets just see todays results & go from there CDF.

@ ATPG

Sounds like a plan :balloon2:

CCRunner

01-06-2010, 02:55

Hhhhmmmmm..... I will give it some thought. I don't play much civ anymore, but hey don't have too to join forum games. What? Shameless sig advertisement? Me?

Never! :dizzy2:

atheotes

01-06-2010, 05:38

Vote: Subotan

Subotan

01-06-2010, 17:52

I'm not mafia. I'm a bomb, the same as Beefy. I kept my mouth shut when Beefy revealed his role and Renata criticised him for it. I know that's hard to believe, but I dropped clues (Just look back through the thread) when I started talking about Beefy perhaps being a bomb that activates only when he is lynched, the same as me. My bomb explodes not when I get night killed, but when I get lynched, and I guess Beefy was the same. That means that, Atheotes is going to die. Which is good because I suspect him of being mafia, along with Thermal Mercury. It makes sense for TM to protect his mate by saying he's an investigator when they're both mafia. There is no cop role, meaning that TM is at least being very very dodgy. CDF could very well be mafia, but given Atheotes' lurking, and TM's defence of him, I think those two are the mafia. I have no idea if we'll make it in time, other townie-who-is-probably-CDF, but I'm taking at least one mafia down with me.

Vote;Thermal Mercury

Thermal

01-06-2010, 18:11

Hey I wasn't going to even say you I found innocent, town wanted to know. :inquisitive: If you had a role like your claiming you would of claimed it on say the second round, when ATPG specific told everyone to, which everyone seemed to agree with. It makes sense to me that your making a role up as a poor attempt to save yourself (at least have some originality instead of using beefy's role).

If you are a bomb and you do take athelotes with you, as you say, then your killing an innocent guy, but if you do believe him to be mafia, then maybe its a sacrifice we have to take. Just to show town who is telling the truth. :inquisitive:

lets see:

2 mafia, 3 townies, yes?

we kill you this round and athelotes, 1 mafia dead, 1 townie dead, either way (it would seem)

1 mafia, 2 townies

mafia kills a townie at night

1 mafia, 1 townie....

damn, well it was a good game, :brood: My only hope is choosing a different number tonight and seeing where it takes me.

Subotan

01-06-2010, 18:34

Hey I wasn't going to even say you I found innocent, town wanted to know. :inquisitive:

Huh? What does that mean?

If you had a role like your claiming you would of claimed it on say the second round, when ATPG specific told everyone to, which everyone seemed to agree with.

I'm sick and have a cold. I was asleep from 20:00 GMT yesterday.

It makes sense to me that your making a role up as a poor attempt to save yourself (at least have some originality instead of using beefy's role)

Did you even look at what I posted in-thread? I have let some very obvious clues that could only be described in such detail if I had insider knowledge of what the bomb role entails, which I obviously do.

If you are a bomb and you do take athelotes with you, as you say, then your killing an innocent guy, but if you do believe him to be mafia, then maybe its a sacrifice we have to take. Just to show town who is telling the truth. :inquisitive:

lets see:

2 mafia, 3 townies, yes?

we kill you this round and athelotes, 1 mafia dead, 1 townie dead, either way (it would seem)

1 mafia, 2 townies

mafia kills a townie at night

1 mafia, 1 townie....

damn, well it was a good game, :brood: My only hope is choosing a different number tonight and seeing where it takes me.

The don't vote for me then, vote for atheotes. It'll ensure that one scum dies and no townies die.

Btw, when I said I think TM and atheotes are mafia, that's only because of their close co-operation with each other that's consistent throughout the thread. There is nothing that specifically details disproves CDF/Beefy from being mafia.

Subotan

01-06-2010, 18:42

Unvote TM; Vote Atheotes

Thermal

01-06-2010, 18:47

Huh? What does that mean?

It means I wouldn't to keep the identity of the person I found innocent secret as to prevent them being targeted, it was ATPG, renata & CDF who wanted me to be specific.

I'm sick and have a cold. I was asleep from 20:00 GMT yesterday.

Well OK, but it still looks suspicious to claim now, of all times.

Did you even look at what I posted in-thread? I have let some very obvious clues that could only be described in such detail if I had insider knowledge of what the bomb role entails, which I obviously do.

I'll look at your posts then, but nothing you said really made me think you were indicating you were a bomb, it doesn't doesn't strike me as genuine given we already have Beefy as a bomb, 2 mafia, 2 bombs, still seems quite unbalanced given the mafia aren't all that likely to vote last.

The don't vote for me then, vote for atheotes. If me and him get an equal tally, I'll switch my vote to him, ensuring that one scum dies and no townies die.

Problem, I found athelotes as a townie. I really doubt I'm incompetent, however I don't doubt how convincing you can be when your in a sticky situation. (look at diamondye in blackadders game as a fresh example)

Btw, when I said I think TM and atheotes are mafia, that's only because of their close co-operation with each other that's consistent throughout the thread. There is nothing that specifically details disproves CDF/Beefy from being mafia.

Hardly close co-operation. I haven't voted as he has. Merely, once I found I could investigate someone, investigated him to help solve peoples queries, despite the doubt I get for it.

Whilst Beefy could be mafia, he claimed well in advanced and no one argued with it, not you either (and this was a long time ago, when you were still posting) which makes him less suspicious than you, I think. As for CDF, well I feel there more reason to vote for you at the moment.

Thermal

01-06-2010, 18:49

I would of voted athelotes if I didn't find him innocent.

As for me, well no one is 100% proved innocent. But it is you & CDF who are in my spotlight. Other players are entitled to see it differently.

Wait a sec

Which is why I voted for him. Last guy to vote for a bomb gets blown to smithereens

Ok this is great..

I'm thinking there is still some way you could have known this other wise, by contacting beefy, for example. Unless it is the bombers that are mafia.

Subotan

01-06-2010, 19:09

It means I wouldn't to keep the identity of the person I found innocent secret as to prevent them being targeted, it was ATPG, renata & CDF who wanted me to be specific.

Ok, right. Btw how many people have you investigated?

Well OK, but it still looks suspicious to claim now, of all times.

I've got a stiff upper lip. I don't like complaining about illness.

I'll look at your posts then, but nothing you said really made me think you were indicating you were a bomb, it doesn't doesn't strike me as genuine given we already have Beefy as a bomb, 2 mafia, 2 bombs, still seems quite unbalanced given the mafia aren't all that likely to vote last.

In particular, I wish to draw your attention to

Seriously, people -- since when does a town bomb advertise as such right off the bat on day one? It makes no sense for town, nor even really for a jester; it's a move calculated to scare people away from lynching. That's mafia play. Unless the bomb is so that it detonates only when that person is lynched.
That's my role. Atheotes gets the chop should I get lynched.

Problem, I found athelotes as a townie. I really doubt I'm incompetent, however I don't doubt how convincing you can be when your in a sticky situation. (look at diamondye in blackadders game as a fresh example)

Diamondeye said there were no cops in this game, so it wouldn't be unexpected.

Hardly close co-operation. I haven't voted as he has. Merely, once I found I could investigate someone, investigated him to help solve peoples queries, despite the doubt I get for it.
You had a choice between voting for him and Renata. You chose Renata. Although that on it's own is not suspicious, your subsequent support of him i the threads makes it so somewhat.

Whilst Beefy could be mafia, he claimed well in advanced and no one argued with it, not you either (and this was a long time ago, when you were still posting) which makes him less suspicious than you, I think. As for CDF, well I feel there more reason to vote for you at the moment.
I would have claimed it, had he done so later on in the thread. But the speed of his claim made me think twice about contesting it, as it would look really scummy.

As for CDF, well I feel there more reason to vote for you at the moment.
It's not that there's anything that says he isn't, it's that there isn't anything which says he is.

I'm thinking there is still some way you could have known this other wise, by contacting beefy, for example. Unless it is the bombers that are mafia.
I didn't PM him. And there isn't a bomber mafia. How would you get rid of them in a small mafia like this with no vig kills otherwise?

Renata

01-06-2010, 19:18

I'm thinking there is still some way you could have known this other wise, by contacting beefy, for example. Unless it is the bombers that are mafia.

It's pretty common knowledge; that's how bombs usually work. He has a point, though; innocents should look at what happened after Subotan's vote for Beefy. If Beefy is innocent, then Mafia wouldn't be caught dead on the back end of his bandwagon if he was likely to be lynched. Both Subotan and CDF voted for Beefy at some point yesterday, but under what circumstances, and when did Subotan unvote?

Thermal

01-06-2010, 19:23

Ok, right. Btw how many people have you investigated?

We've only had one night, and if you look up quite a few posts you'll see my ability isn't ordinary...so only Athelotes.

That's my role. Atheotes gets the chop should I get lynched.

In your eyes, shouldn't that be a good thing? It will show if I was an incompetent detective for one, whilst showing if bombers are mafia or not, 2 vital pieces of information can be drawn from it.

Diamondeye said there were no cops in this game, so it wouldn't be unexpected.

I'm not specifically a cop, I said what my role was already!

You had a choice between voting for him and Renata. You chose Renata. Although that on it's own is not suspicious, your subsequent support of him i the threads makes it so somewhat.

Entirely wrong, athelotes & renata both had 2 votes each, I did not choose Renata, I was happy to leave it as a draw, it was ATPG who voted for renata, I had voted for you, Subotan. Whilst I did say I thought Renata was a tad suspicious, I wasn't the only one, and I didn't back my suspicion up with a vote.

I would have claimed it, had he done so later on in the thread. But the speed of his claim made me think twice about contesting it, as it would look really scummy.

No more scummy for you than him, perhaps him more so, not convincing.

It's not that there's anything that says he isn't, it's that there isn't anything which says he is.

Fair point, we could go for CDF.

I didn't PM him. And there isn't a bomber mafia. How would you get rid of them in a small mafia like this with no vig kills otherwise?

You could of pm'd him, but I'm not sure if he would have told you. My ability could have a vig in it, and I guess you'd have to be killed via lynching, though admittedly that would make one over powered mafia.

unvote, vote: CDF

Just to give the benefit of doubt. Seeing as you seem to have a least some defense as to why you might not be mafia.

Thermal

01-06-2010, 19:28

It's pretty common knowledge; that's how bombs usually work. He has a point, though; innocents should look at what happened after Subotan's vote for Beefy. If Beefy is innocent, then Mafia wouldn't be caught dead on the back end of his bandwagon if he was likely to be lynched. Both Subotan and CDF voted for Beefy at some point yesterday, but under what circumstances, and when did Subotan unvote?

Subotan votes for beefy 45 minutes after he confesses...

He unvotes when its a tie between you & beefy, ok now I'm getting suspicious again...

Renata

01-06-2010, 19:38

Thermal

01-06-2010, 19:41

Posts 36 and 37. I do think Subotan is a bomb.

What are the odds there is a Mafia power role? Subotan's unvote moved Beefy from three votes to two, into a tie with me (with CDF hanging off the end). In effect, it lessened CDF's danger if Beefy was telling the truth.

Beefy, get in here. Were you lying when you responded to my complaints by saying you'd rather get NKed than lynched (implying you could in fact take out Mafia at night)? This was before Subotan's unvote.

I agree subotan probably is a bomb given the posts I didn't pick up on before.

I thought it he unvoted to break the draw to go against you, if that isn't the case then I'm glad I changed my vote. Though I'm now getting more suspicious about the whole bomb role in general, and am getting bad vibes of beefy given what your saying, but refuse to vote for him if it means I get exploded. :wall:

Subotan

01-06-2010, 19:58

We've only had one night, and if you look up quite a few posts you'll see my ability isn't ordinary...so only Athelotes.
Having now actually read the thread (Before I was in a "Oh my God I'm gonna die" mode, so I skim-read a bit), I now understand what your role is, and that atheotes is probably innocent. I strongly urge him to change his vote, as otherwise we'll lose a townie :shame:

Entirely wrong, athelotes & renata both had 2 votes each, I did not choose Renata, I was happy to leave it as a draw, it was ATPG who voted for renata, I had voted for you, Subotan. Whilst I did say I thought Renata was a tad suspicious, I wasn't the only one, and I didn't back my suspicion up with a vote.
This was based on a lack of understanding about what your role was. Sorry :shame:

No more scummy for you than him, perhaps him more so, not convincing.
That's great with hindsight, but two people claiming the exact same role? That sounds scummy, so I bided my time and left clues in the thread.

You could of pm'd him, but I'm not sure if he would have told you
What would I have said? "Sup Beefy, I'm mafia, could you give me all the info about your role so I can impersonate you?"

unvote, vote: CDF

unvote, vote: CDF
Seeing as there is still a chance Beefy might be a town bomb, and Atheotes is innocent, and you role is so intuitive it must be town, CDF must be mafia.

Subotan votes for beefy 45 minutes after he confesses...

He unvotes when its a tie between you & beefy, ok now I'm getting suspicious again...
It was the first round. There was little discussion, and the first vote is always stupid. Besides, I thought it was a little scummy, so I put a vote on him to pressure him. Because it wasn't a serious vote, I dropped it when it looked like he might die. Remember, I didn't know that Renata was town, so so it was entirely possible from my viewpoint back then that Renata was mafia (Sorry Renata)

Posts 36 and 37. I do think Subotan is a bomb.

What are the odds there is a Mafia power role? Subotan's unvote moved Beefy from three votes to two, into a tie with me (with CDF hanging off the end). In effect, it lessened CDF's danger if Beefy was telling the truth.

Beefy, get in here. Were you lying when you responded to my complaints by saying you'd rather get NKed than lynched (implying you could in fact take out Mafia at night)? This was before Subotan's unvote.
There could be a mafia bomb, and it could be Beefy. Beefy never specified he was a town bomb, and it does in my PM.

I agree subotan probably is a bomb given the posts I didn't pick up on before.

I thought it he unvoted to break the draw to go against you, if that isn't the case then I'm glad I changed my vote. Though I'm now getting more suspicious about the whole bomb role in general, and am getting bad vibes of beefy given what your saying, but refuse to vote for him if it means I get exploded. :wall:
If we all vote CDF today, I'll bite the bullet tomorrow and vote for Beefy last tomorrow. It's unlikely that he's a vig kill bomb, since there's no mechanism for that (Except maybe through Thermal) in the town.

Diamondeye

01-06-2010, 20:22

So, Atheotes, Beefy and CDf are voting for Subotan
And Thermal and Subotan are voting for CDf

There is roughly 40 mins left. If nothing changes, Subotan is lynched.

... Are you nerveous, people? :sweatdrop:

Subotan

01-06-2010, 20:24

GOOD GOD MAN, LOG ON

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2010, 20:57

I want to see the ending. Please proceed.

atheotes

01-06-2010, 21:02

unvote; vote:CDF

Diamondeye

01-06-2010, 21:03

The three accusers stood in front of Subotan; CDf and Beefy had already cast their votes against him, and Atheotes' vote would be the deciding factor. With a smirk, Atheotes asked Subotan; "Any last words?"
"Just one, actually", came the answer.
"Well, what is it, then?"
"Boom."

...

"... Pardon?"
BOOM!

Subotan was a pro-town bomb role!

The earth shook so violently that even the onlooking ghosts where sweeped off their feet; a huge blaze had sprung forth from Subotan and devoured both him and Atheotes completely. However, the close examination of the corpse and the EVIL HOWL that escaped Atheotes carcass proved that...
Atheotes was Mafia scum!

As such, there are now three people left. The game continues.

It is now night! Day comes in roughly 24 hours!
People with night orders, please send them in!

((Atheotes is two minutes late, I'm afraid ))

atheotes

01-06-2010, 21:03

i hope i got it right... i have only skimmed through. Been busy with RL. hopefully work will ease up in a couple of days.
just in case the format is wrong
unvote, vote:CDF

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-06-2010, 21:04

*Cough* Somebody owes somebody an apology.

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2010, 21:06

:applause:

Did not expect that.

Okay, more than meets the eye is going on. Someone who claimed a pro-town role is TEH MAFIA.

Such a shame, looks like we will still lose.

Beskar

01-06-2010, 21:07

atheotes is always the mafia... :laugh4:

Why oh why do you keep getting given the mafia-role, atheotes?

Subotan

01-06-2010, 21:12

Oh wow. That's amazing.

atheotes

01-06-2010, 21:14

:wall: RIght now I hate my job. :furious3:
i saw Subotan's message and then skimmed the thread. and by the time i voted...GONE.
so close! I wish i was able to get on a bit earlier.

@Beskar - i have no idea why...maybe random.org (i guess the hosts use that) likes my name.
:wall: I have now messed up as mafia 2 times in a week :embarassed: so it is not doing any good to anyone. :wall:

Renata

01-06-2010, 21:28

Oh well, that was fun. Too bad it won't save us. Unless Beskar's been lying all along and is actually a rather different sort of pro-Town role. Would make some sense of his claim, anyway.

You feeling lucky, TM?

Thermal

01-06-2010, 21:31

:thinking::shocked::computer::end::shout::worried::undecided::boxedin::damnmate::drama3::tumbleweed: ~:eek:~:mecry:~:dizzy::shrug::ahh::closed:

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2010, 21:35

Beskar having a role in this game? Something I highly doubt. :2thumbsup:

Thermal

01-06-2010, 21:37

Beskar having a role in this game? Something I highly doubt. :2thumbsup:

Well it would be a new concept, a secret player.

Beskar

01-06-2010, 21:39

Diamondeyes is so going to hate me for interrupting. I am sorry. :cry:

*flees topic*

Thermal

01-06-2010, 21:42

I picked number 2

Renata

01-06-2010, 21:51

Heh. Beefy, of course.

Diamondeye

01-06-2010, 21:56

Diamondeyes is so going to hate me for interrupting. I am sorry. :cry:

*flees topic*

I'm glad you waited to yell "Atheotes is always the mafia" until he was dead. Please stay around for a cup of tea and DRAMA!

I am probably going to have to delay the update an hour or so extra tomorrow (meaning it will be up in roughly 24 hours from now). I want to say that it's to make it exciting but it's not, it's RL (oh my god!)

Subotan

01-06-2010, 22:02

I'lll just pretend it's to make it exciting :yes:

Thermal

01-06-2010, 22:12

choice 2 is vig kill, I think we may just win. :sweatdrop:

Renata

01-06-2010, 22:31

I'm sure that's true.

Thermal

01-06-2010, 23:04

I'm sure that's true.

:inquisitive: Who are you to question me till this is over? Despite the gradual fragility of my claims I am by no means proven mafia. Because I'm not (I suppose saying a comment like that isn't to WIFOM or anything given the situation) You'll see :egypt:

Cultured Drizzt fan

01-06-2010, 23:55

:inquisitive: Who are you to question me till this is over? Despite the gradual fragility of my claims I am by no means proven mafia. Because I'm not (I suppose saying a comment like that isn't to WIFOM or anything given the situation) You'll see :egypt:

By the way who called your detective result as false again? :brood: I can't believe you were going to lynch me....

Thermal

01-06-2010, 23:56

By the way who called your detective result as false again? :brood: I can't believe you were going to lynch me....

:juggle2:

Beefy187

01-07-2010, 01:46

:inquisitive:

Thermal

01-07-2010, 03:06

:inquisitive:

:inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2010, 03:24

:inquisitive:

:inquisitive:

:inquisitive:

Seriously though. Let's not spam... if we have things to say, we should use our words like a big boy clone.

Thermal

01-07-2010, 03:38

Subotan, would vig killing a bomber kill me in the process (like is it just die after lynching or killing to? I'm considering beefy, but if I'm wrong we lose, I want to know whats at steak.

atheotes

01-07-2010, 04:07

:laugh4:

Beefy187

01-07-2010, 04:15

:inquisitive:

Meant how can they be two bombers. Sure I have slightly different ability to him but if he is a protown, and if Thermal is a protown too, then they'll be three protowns. It doesn't match up what the host said. So did the host make a mistake there, or was that some kind of sneaky ability. I'll never know.

There. I used words.

Thermal

01-07-2010, 04:17

Beefy187

01-07-2010, 04:40

How do you mean, slightly different ability. :inquisitive:

Mine works during the night. His was during the day.

Thermal

01-07-2010, 04:56

Mine works during the night. His was during the day.

And you openly admitting this because...?

Beefy187

01-07-2010, 05:28

And you openly admitting this because...?

So some foolish vigilante wouldn't take me out during the night :laugh4:
Whats more worse then town taking out each other?

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2010, 05:30

Err...

1 protown bomb role dead

1 player claiming to be a bomb

1 player claiming to be a slot machine detective/vigilante

1+1+1 = 3.

There's only 2 pro-town roles in the game, ya?

Beefy187

01-07-2010, 05:31

Err...

1 protown bomb role dead

1 player claiming to be a bomb

1 player claiming to be a slot machine detective/vigilante

1+1+1 = 3.

There's only 2 pro-town roles in the game, ya?

Ja.

Thus why I did my :inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2010, 05:40

Was seeing if anyone else thought I should go ahead and say it but if there were objections I guess I would have heard them.

Well between all the theories of someone being innocent, someone being guilty etc. All I can say is, Athelotes is innocent.

And atheotes was guilty, not innocent.

Beefy is innocent, Thermal is guilty.

Thank you for pointing this out, beefy. Shame it is too late.

Thermal

01-07-2010, 05:45

And atheotes was guilty, not innocent.

Beefy is innocent, Thermal is guilty.

Thank you for pointing this out, beefy. Shame it is too late.

:inquisitive:

I'm no guiltier than the next person. :yes:

Should I believe Beefy? hmmmm

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2010, 05:57

I'm no guiltier than the next person. :yes:

IF THE NEXT PERSON WAS ATHEOTES!!!!

J'accuse, slimebag!!

Beefy187

01-07-2010, 07:17

Well unless TM forgets to send in his orders.

We have 3 players remaining. He kills one and its game set.

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2010, 07:23

I am sort of really surprised the game isn't already over.

Subotan

01-07-2010, 12:56

Subotan, would vig killing a bomber kill me in the process (like is it just die after lynching or killing to? I'm considering beefy, but if I'm wrong we lose, I want to know whats at steak.
I don't know what Befy's ability is. I'm guessing it's different from mine.

If TM is mafia, he'll blow up during the night.
If Beefy is mafia, he'll be killed during the night.

So unless CDF is mafia, we've won. From my perspective, our best chances lie in vig killing Beefy.

Renata

01-07-2010, 15:24

Well, whatever happens, it's been entertaining. I'll definitely play more of these.

Thermal

01-07-2010, 17:03

Whoever the mafia may be, there not going to find winning as easy as everyone thinks....

If Beefy isn't bluffing, mafia could explode themselves.

If beefy is bluffing, it could still be a draw, depending on who is targeted, depending on who is guilty (beefy included)

Wow, confusing. :egypt:

Renata

01-07-2010, 17:16

If Beefy is bluffing, it's probably because he's the game's actual double-voter and he just wanted to survive to endgame to nail your scummy tush to the wall. Better kill him just to be sure.

Or maybe he's a vig, and you're sadly neglecting the necessity of deflecting blame onto CDF. Of course, that'd be sort of difficult at this point.

If Beefy isn't bluffing, then of course you should kill CDF. Tie usually goes to the Scum. Although it's possible that Scum vs Bomb ends with everybody dead, true draw, we all lose. In which case you should kill Beefy just so that somebody wins, as an act of charity.

Isn't this fun?

Diamondeye

01-07-2010, 17:22

Well, whatever happens, it's been entertaining. I'll definitely play more of these.

Right on cue I can self-advertise! Because there will be more of these!

I am planning on hosting SMS 2: The Jester's Game, signups going up some time next week, so be prepared :2thumbsup:

There will be 7 spots like in this game, obviously. And it will be just as exciting if everything goes right :yes:

Thermal

01-07-2010, 18:13

Renata

01-07-2010, 18:55

Well in that case, given how wrong you were about atheotes, clearly you should vig CDF. That way maybe you'll actually hit Beefy.

atheotes

01-07-2010, 21:48

:evilgrin:

Diamondeye

01-07-2010, 22:17

Thermal Mercury sneaked into the house. He stopped for a moment and glared; his victim's bed was empty! What could this be? Slowly panicking, he looked around, only to hear a slight giggle from the other side of the room. His gaze fell on a suspicious-looking bulge in the curtain.

Beefy stuck out his head :curtain::
"Okay, you win. Kill me if you dare. But remember, I have the booomb...."

Thermal hesitated for a moment before killing Beefy, but ultimately his choice was taken.
For a while, nothing happened.
Then, nothing continued to happen.
Thermal was safe! Beefy the bomb was defused and dead!

And that meant...

MAFIA VICTORY!

Seeing as the mafia have eradicated all pro-town power roles and constitute half of the remaining players, the mafia, aka Atheotes and Thermal Mercury, has won the game!

Thanks to you all for playing and for making this my first game on the .org dreadfully exciting. And a close race!

You may now discuss the game freely. I will post some details and so on later and answer questions!

And remember to join in on the next SMS!

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2010, 22:25

Well fought, mafia. :bow:

I believe we have some points we could work on, as townies. :shame:

atheotes

01-07-2010, 22:32

i believe i am totally correct to say that Thermal won the game. He did all the work and set up victory for us. I jsut could not come back in time to finish it.
well played TM. the "slot machine" role was awesome and welll thought out. :2thumbsup: :applause:

It was a fun game Diamondeye. thanks for hosting it. Will look forward to the next one :2thumbsup:

Tough luck town. Not sure how it would have turned out if Subotan had revealed earlier.

Thermal

01-07-2010, 22:46

Surprised by that result :shocked:

Athelotes, nonsense, it was actually you that encouraged me to change how I voted, had I of gone for CDF I can only assume it would have been a townie win....so a toast to the MAFIA! :medievalcheers:

For once, I haven't really been irritated with any game players, so thanks to everyone for a nice game.

Thanks to diamondeye for a great mini game (and a very well balanced one I think) And ummm....I don't think anyone is ever going to trust me again but still.... :laugh4:

Diamondeye

01-07-2010, 23:08

Allow me to explain the situation the final night (since the alternative is sleeping so I can be awake in school tomorrow):

Beefy was (as Subotan) a lynch bomb. Meaning only lynch-triggered. Furthermore, the mafia win condition was to outnumber the innocents or equal the innocents number and have eliminated all pro-town power roles. This effectively means that if CDf had been killed (You cannot believe how close TM was to doing this!) instead of Beefy, there would have been another day. Since the possible (realistic) outcomes of that day was a tie between Beefy (voting for TM) and TM (voting for Beefy), the possible outcomes were possible:
-TM is lynched; town win.
-Beefy is lynched; TM blows up. Very strange situation that I considered calling a tie.

This meant that had these two been left, there was no way that the mafia could win; hence, it would have meant a town win (no matter how narrow!). I hope this explanation satisfies the questions people had as to the necessity of this last night phase and that I am indeed making sense.

Looking forward to the rest of the players' comments. And Beskars, provided he hasn't actually fled the thread :laugh4:

Renata

01-07-2010, 23:22

Thermal

01-07-2010, 23:25

I see, I thought beefy was bluffing in the end... :mellow:

So athelotes, you were infact the tide turner. :balloon2:

And nice try renata. :wink:

Beefy187

01-08-2010, 01:07

Makes sense. Nice job, Mafia. It figures I act on my instincts when they're wrong and waffle when they're right. Obviously I should have pushed harder against TM at the end of the second day, and gotten subotan off the hook. The fact that no one WAS making "the mafia's argument" should have tipped me off that in fact it WASN'T.

Also, next time I suggest we all actually read the title of the game before we start, haha.

Yea I realized the C4 bit during the final night phase. I had to do this :wall:

I see, I thought beefy was bluffing in the end... :mellow:

So athelotes, you were infact the tide turner. :balloon2:

And nice try renata. :wink:

I was bluffing all game :laugh4:
This is why I vote for you in other game TM...So I can get you out of my way :smash: