Seven Man Scrimmage 2: The Jester's Game [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

Welcome to the second instalment of the Seven Man Scrimmage (SMS) series!

As you may or may not know, the first game of the series (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=125090) ended with a narrow mafia win. It was a traditional C9 game in which the two traditional powerroles had been exchanged for lynch-triggered bombs.

This next game is going to leave the players slightly less in the dark concerning the roles in the game. First of all, there will be a jester figure in this game. For those who do not know this, a Jester wins by being lynched.
Secondly, there will be no mafia team and there will be no night phase. As such, the only granted method of killing is lynching. There will be one or more special roles apart from the Jester role.

Because of the odd setup, the town victory condition is to avoid the lynching of the jester. The jester being the last person standing will automatically trigger this, and to avoid any unlucky final-round mess-up, the jester's vote will be a negative tiebreaker, meaning that someone with the jester's vote on him will always "lose" the tie (ie. stay alive).

The day phases will be 24 hours each and there are, as mentioned, no night phases. Any roles that would normally work at nighttime/night update needs to send their orders in an hour before the deadline. For this to work properly, the orders can be conditional. Per example, an investigator might want to write "If Atheotes is not lynched, I will investigate him. Otherwise, investigate Thermal Mercury" to avoid wasting his nighttime ability.

With these basic informations in place I believe I can say...

Sign-ups are open!

Sign-ups (7/7 (full)):
Renata
Atheotes
Thermal Mercury
Subotan
CDf
Centurion1
Splitpersonality

[Renata]

In. :nod:

[atheotes]

In :bow:

[Thermal]

Some people hate jester roles, however with the knowledge that there is a jester, we know to be more cautious.

IN :bow:

[Subotan]

In-sane.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

In again.

[Centurion1]

in. and mad i missed the first one.

[Renata]

Before the game begins, can you clarify this a bit more?


Because of the odd setup, the town victory condition is to avoid the lynching of the jester. The jester being the last person standing will automatically trigger this, and to avoid any unlucky final-round mess-up, the jester's vote will be a negative tiebreaker, meaning that someone with the jester's vote on him will always "lose" the tie (ie. stay alive).

[Splitpersonality]

IN :D

[Sprig]

ahhh missed it again. Mind you, I promised myself that I wouldn't sign up to any more mafia games.

[Diamondeye]

Before the game begins, can you clarify this a bit more?

This means that the Jester's vote is effectively "half a vote". Any ties where the Jester's vote is considered, aren't really "ties" since the person that the jester is not voting for will always be lynched. Other ties are broken by RNG.

That said there may be one or more of the roles in-game that have additional/limited voting capacity and as such what looks like a tie might not be one. An example:

Player X: Jester, Townie, Doublevoter
Player Y: Townie, Townie, Townie

In this case, it might look like Player Y's being lynched because of the Jester voting him, while in reality there is no tie because one of the votes for Player X is a double (making it 3.5 vs 3 votes).

If there is anything else that needs clarification please, do ask.

I'll update the OP and send out PMs before starting the game. The first round will be roughly 36 hours, every subsequent round 24 hours.

[Diamondeye]

The PMs are out and the game has begun! The first day will last 36 hours (until 9 PM tomorrow, CET). Any update orders must be in an hour in advance (8 PM CET). Every subsequent day will last 24 hours and thus these times should be considered the standard deadlines

If anyone has questions, please direct to me either in private (if they are about your character) or in this thread (if they are about the rules in general).

Those of you who have not recieved a PM are standard townies! Your goal is to avoid lynching the Jester!

Feel free to start posting. Please keep accusations in the standard, bolded format.

[Beskar]

I just realised, by the looks of it, this looks like my Lift Escape! Mini-Mafia game.

In that game, you "save" people, oppose to Lynching them and in the group of people, there is a Serial Killer, and if you save the Serial Killer, the game ends as he kills everyone. (Thus, he is just like a jester)

[Renata]

This game is going to be the weirdest thing on four wheels.

[Subotan]

Vote; Centurion1
Stranger Danger

EDIT:
Question: Why do we want to vote when there's no mafia, and what happens if there's a tie the Jester isn't voting in?

[Renata]

If we don't vote, the Jester just votes himself and wins. So we need to vote non-jesters, every time.

[Subotan]

Right. So how do we determine who the jester is?

[Beskar]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118639

Might give you some clues in there. *just wanted to show his game*

Now out this thread I go. :beam:

[Renata]

Look for weirdness in the vote results that can't be accounted for by claimed power roles; if that fails, worry about the claimed power roles; if there are no claimed power roles at any given time, analyze behavior and past votes.

It's weird because the safest thing to do if you're not a jester is to vote yourself.

[Renata]

Or vote Beskar, since he's not in the game.

[Diamondeye]

Vote; Centurion1
Stranger Danger

EDIT:
Question: Why do we want to vote when there's no mafia, and what happens if there's a tie the Jester isn't voting in?

The first question was answered, I believe, and the second is answered by me above; Random.org will handle that (and you will not know whether there was a tiebreak by random or by another effect).

[atheotes]

only safe choice i know...
Vote: Atheotes

[Askthepizzaguy]

As long as people don't vote for me, I'm happy. Leave me alive past the first round this time, mmmk?

[Diamondeye]

As long as people don't vote for me, I'm happy. Leave me alive past the first round this time, mmmk?

I c wat u did thar. Will you be lurking this game, then? :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I c wat u did thar. Will you be lurking this game, then? :beam:

Sure thing. I want to see if the non-town faction can go on a winning streak.

I lurk in surprising places. If you mention my name anywhere on the .org, I will probably notice it. If you say it three times, I'll jump out of the mirror and eat your brains.

[Diamondeye]

Sure thing. I want to see if the non-town faction can go on a winning streak.

I lurk in surprising places. If you mention my name anywhere on the .org, I will probably notice it. If you say it three times, I'll jump out of the mirror and eat your brains.
This will be tested at a later date.
AskThePizzaGuy, AskThePizzaGuy... AskThePizzaGuy?
For now, back to topic :whip:

Roughly 24 hours until the update

[Thermal]

Townies basically need to kill townies to win.

vote: renata...

[Renata]

Not that I'm objecting or anything, but what makes you think I'm a townie?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Townies basically need to kill townies to win.

vote: renata...

Vote: thermal mercury then :yes:

[atheotes]

Vote: thermal mercury then :yes:

what makes you think he is a townie?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

what makes you think he is a townie?

Because he has chosen to state that we will only win by lynching other townies.

Tone just seems in line with a townie. Just like your vote for yourself makes me wonder. :yes:

[Subotan]

I love the smell of burning townie in the morning. It smells like...victory.

Unvote; Vote: Renata

[Renata]

This is oddly disturbing.

[Sprig]

This is oddly disturbing.

:beam: Lynch the townie :dizzy2:

[atheotes]

Look for weirdness in the vote results that can't be accounted for by claimed power roles; if that fails, worry about the claimed power roles; if there are no claimed power roles at any given time, analyze behavior and past votes.

It's weird because the safest thing to do if you're not a jester is to vote yourself.

Renata has not voted...not even for herself. And you guys have already decided she is a townie? :juggle2:

[Thermal]

Renata has not voted...not even for herself. And you guys have already decided she is a townie? :juggle2:

Hey committing suicide doesn't make you innocent.

Lets spread it out, though not massive beneficial to me.

unvote
vote: splitpersonality

[Centurion1]

VOTE FOR ME!!!!!!!!

i am the voteless townie. my vote means nothing. when he tallies up votes mine doesnt stand for anything. i know i have deceived some of you lately, in particular atpg. (yes it is one of my greatest accomplishments that i was the lie upon which was based an entire strategy).

so seriously vote me!!!!

im not lying in any way shape or form.

Vote: centurion1

it doesnt even mean annything at this point, and i think atheotes is a jester by voting for himself.

[Splitpersonality]

Hey guys, sorry for not posting so far, I had school.

I'm wondering if we can reveal... If we can I might just be a power role :clown:

[Renata]

Centurion's role claim is about the safest one a jester could make.

vote: Renata

[Beskar]

Obviously not atheotes, he is always the mafia and there are not Mafia in the game.

[atheotes]

this game is going to end in the first round :smash:

[Thermal]

unvote
vote: thermal mercury

Renata isn't going to put herself into this lead :inquisitive:

[Renata]

No WAY, atheotes.

If you are that concerned about me, then you should have voted for Centurion1. You didn't do it.

CDF is reading townie to me right now. His argument about voting Thermal Mercury feels sincere to me. I'd vote him before anyone else save myself.

If TM is town and thinks I might be the jester, then his self-vote makes sense. If he's the jester, then with two votes on me he'd have put himself into an apparent tie, actual (barring power roles) second place. A slightly risky move, random.org notwithstanding.

[Thermal]

Jesters break ties I think, so well, ummm ,feel free to vote for me :juggle2:

It sounds like a shady request but if Renata is the Jester (she voted herself into the lead, which is suspicious) then I'll need another vote.

[Renata]

Actually I didn't realize I'd voted myself into the lead at the time I did it, though I obviously can't prove that. I hadn't noticed the vote on split was a vote change and thought I was putting the third vote on myself against Centurion's claimed 1 (possible 1.5), not the second. Not that it really matters; my aim was in any case the same.

You are wrong about the Jester's vote function, that's why I asked for clarification before the game started. The Jester is a negative tie-breaker, vote worth 1/2 rather than 1 full vote. If you believed that the Jester was a traditional tie-break and you believed I might be the jester, then why did you put the second vote on yourself without a request for more right then? Why only in a separate post some 45 minutes later?

[Thermal]

I put a vote on myself because I didn't think about the tie-breaker thing until I re-read over the rules it hadn't occurred to me. So it seems we've both made a few mix-ups.

I see it is negative, so I don't need more votes, good. :laugh4:

[Diamondeye]

Day 1 has ended.

Thermal Mercury has been lynched
Thermal Mercury was an ordinary townsperson!

Tally:
Subotan: Renata
Atheotes: Atheotes
Thermal_Mercury: Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt Fan: Thermal Mercury
Centurion1: Centurion1
Renata: Renata

Thermal Mercury: 2
Renata: 2
Centurion1: 1
Atheotes: 1

No special abilities were used this update.

Day 2 is starting and will last roughly 24 hours from this post!
Please send in update orders an hour before the update!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Here is an idea. What if we all simply voted for ourselves over and over again? A random TOWNIE gets lynched, but the jester stays alive.

[Subotan]

Or, Renata is the jester.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Or, Renata is the jester.

Are you willing to bet the entire game on that?

[Diamondeye]

Here is an idea. What if we all simply voted for ourselves over and over again? A random TOWNIE gets lynched, but the jester stays alive.

This is taken into consideration and there is at least one game mechanic that could obstruct it.

And it's boring as hell :thumbsdown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

This is taken into consideration and there is at least one game mechanic that could obstruct it.

And it's boring as hell :thumbsdown:

ahhh. :tongue: worth a shot.

[Renata]

Did you just try to break the game, CDF? Bad CDF. *smack*

Centurion would trump the jester in the not-getting-lynched sweepstakes if he's telling the truth; that might be the mechanism DE is referring to or it might be something(s) else, but I'm not betting the farm on it.

vote: CDF based on my impression from last phase.

[atheotes]

very good points from CDF and Renata... but i still think Renata is suspicious along with another person who i would like watch a bit more.
Vote: CDF... if you are the jester...you did well.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

very good points from CDF and Renata... but i still think Renata is suspicious along with another person who i would like watch a bit more.
Vote: CDF... if you are the jester...you did well.

The thing is I am NOT the jester. It is a very bad Idea to lynch me for reasons I don't want too disclose.....

[Splitpersonality]

The thing is I am NOT the jester. It is a very bad Idea to lynch me for reasons I don't want too disclose.....


Unless you're not allowed to I think it would be a good idea to disclose, unless you're someone toxic to the town...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Ok, I am a 1 shot vigilante. I have one chance to kill the jester, but after that I am done. :sweatdrop:

[Splitpersonality]

Ok, I am a 1 shot vigilante. I have one chance to kill the jester, but after that I am done. :sweatdrop:


I have a hunch that many people are "one shot" roles, as I am a one shot lynch stopper.


If I think we're lynching the jester, I'll throw my ability out there and stop him from being lynched, in a pinch... I could also use this to stop the lynch of a pro-town role, such as you CDF, or others...

[Renata]

unvote.

CDF -- claimed one-shot vig
split -- claimed one-shot lynch stopper
Centurion -- claimed nonvoter

Split, are you claiming you can stop any lynch?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Maybe Cent is the jester? :inquisitive:

[Splitpersonality]

Split, are you claiming you can stop any lynch?


As long as I send in orders to do such 1 hour before the writeup is due, then yes. Any lynch but my own...

[Thermal]

Remember to those that find CDF suspicious, if you think CDF is the jester then don't vote for him. Or he'll win. :whip:

On another note I made a good first round lynch.

[atheotes]

:brood: Am I the only one without a role :bigcry:

[Thermal]

Day 1 has ended.

Thermal Mercury has been lynched
Thermal Mercury was an ordinary townsperson!



That would be no, as were both mafia in this last game it should show the natural neglect we deserve, however your probably lying Athelotes. :egypt:

[Subotan]

:brood: Am I the only one without a role :bigcry:

Scummy scummy scummy :inquisitive:

[Centurion1]

VOTE ME SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im just a waste of space. no one would actually try this strategy tbh. i think it is either cdf or thermal.

cdf kill me im useless or if im lying then you got me. seriously do it. trust me on this one. im dead serious.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

VOTE ME SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im just a waste of space. no one would actually try this strategy tbh. i think it is either cdf or thermal.

cdf kill me im useless or if im lying then you got me. seriously do it. trust me on this one. im dead serious.

Tempted. But if you are telling the truth I have wasted my one shot...

[Centurion1]

well you statistically improve your odds by doing so. just do it dude. when have i ever lied to you.

[Renata]

As long as I send in orders to do such 1 hour before the writeup is due, then yes. Any lynch but my own...

That's certainly more plausible than if it came with exceptions.

[atheotes]

here is a plan...
CDF can use his ability to kill someone... if it is the jester..we win.
if not we have removed one more townie and confirmed that CDF is a townie.
we can all vote for him. and Split can use his ability to stop that. thereby proving he is a townie. this we have narrowed down the suspects.
the biggest problem i see with this is the fact that we dont know what abilities the jester has.

[Splitpersonality]

here is a plan...
CDF can use his ability to kill someone... if it is the jester..we win.
if not we have removed one more townie and confirmed that CDF is a townie.
we can all vote for him. and Split can use his ability to stop that. thereby proving he is a townie. this we have narrowed down the suspects.
the biggest problem i see with this is the fact that we dont know what abilities the jester has.

The bolded part makes no sense.

I can stop anybody's lynch, period. Save my own...

it doesn't prove anything, and it wastes my ability...


Either way, once I've used my ability, just lynch me, I am proven townie.

[Renata]

vote: CDF

Nobody's voted but Atheotes; if Atheotes is the jester he could change to himself and win.

[Diamondeye]

Day 2 has ended

CDF has been lynched
CDF was a one-shot vigilante killer!

Tally:
Atheotes: CDF

No special abilities were used this update.

It is now day 3.
The next update is in roughly 24 hours.
Remember to send in ability uses one hour before deadline!

[Renata]

Wait day's over, seriously? And nobody but Atheotes and me put down a vote at all?

[Renata]

And CDF didn't shoot?

[Diamondeye]

Wait day's over, seriously? And nobody but Atheotes and me put down a vote at all?

You even withdrew yours, but apart from that, you're right.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

And CDF didn't shoot?

I can't If I get lynched....... :furious3:

[Renata]

I don't even know what to say. Maybe you should have pointed that out?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I don't even know what to say. Maybe you should have pointed that out?

I had to sleep and then go to school. Only got on a few seconds ago.

[Subotan]

Looking back on various posts

Not only is the vote scummy but

very good points from CDF and Renata... but i still think Renata is suspicious along with another person who i would like watch a bit more.
Vote: CDF... if you are the jester...you did well.

That is so scummy I am crying.

[Beskar]

Sasaki has a saying about this. Only one to vote = Mafia.

[Diamondeye]

Sasaki has a saying about this. Only one to vote = Mafia.

There are no mafia but I guess you are stressing the "Atheotes is always the mafia" point?

[Centurion1]

vote me seriously.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I say we let the game end up as Cent and Atheotes. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[atheotes]

Sasaki has a saying about this. Only one to vote = Mafia.

and that has been proven wrong... atleast once by me. i think it was "rainy day mafia" where he accused me of that.

The rest of the town should be ashamed for not even voting.

:wall::wall::wall: so much for my plan. i had no idea day was ending. did not realize i had voted. I just did the mafia a huge favor :wall: sorry to the rest of the town :embarassed:

[atheotes]

no votes yet?
Vote: Atheotes

[Subotan]

Vote:Subotan

[Renata]

Is Split around?

[atheotes]

i think we will see who is a townie if it stays tied...
i will be suspicious of anyone breaking the tie right now. as fas as i can see there is no need for the town do it. please correct me if i am wrong. :bow:

[Diamondeye]

Day 3 has ended (apologies for the lateness)

Atheotes has been lynched
Atheotes was a regular townsperson!
Tally:
Atheotes: Atheotes
Subotan: Subotan

It is now Day 4. This day will last about 24 hours (although a bit more, due to RL issues). Be sure to have ability uses sent in 23 hours from now, at the latest.

[Splitpersonality]

Sorry guys, I had school...

Good to know we're still in the running at least...

[Renata]

Subotan, Renata: both unclaimed, both suspect due to the tiebreaker; conversely, both at least had the guts or conviction to put themselves into such a position and stay there.

Splitpersonality: hasn't been seen in days. Made no votes that could have exposed a jester's status. Given his claim, should get no votes until he's saved someone else from lynching.

Centurion: His claim remains the most problematic. If Town, can't be allowed to go to 2-handed with the Jester. If Jester, of course, there's no problem. But any decision to trust him and lynch him must be made next phase at the latest.

[Subotan]

Looks like my instinct was wrong, but in a good way :yes:


Centurion: His claim remains the most problematic. If Town, can't be allowed to go to 2-handed with the Jester. If Jester, of course, there's no problem. But any decision to trust him and lynch him must be made next phase at the latest.
We need to know more about his abilities.

[Renata]

Nobody? Seriously, nobody?

I'm on my way to a birthday party. I'm voting myself; the rest of you either back it up or oppose it or do nothing, as you wish.

vote: Renata

[Diamondeye]

The Jester has been hung!

Congratulations to Renata for the well-snatched victory! And thanks to everyone of you for playing - be sure to sign up for SMS 3: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly!

As to roles;
Renata - Jester
CDf - Oneshot vigilante
Spl1t - Oneshot governor (lynchstopper)
Centurion - Voteless townie

The Jester had no extra abilities, by the way.

[Beskar]

It was obvious it was Renata. Inactivity killed you all.

Also:


If we don't vote, the Jester just votes himself and wins. So we need to vote non-jesters, every time.

:bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL @ TownInactivityFail

[atheotes]

good game Renata. i have been telling that you are scummy...but everyone thought i was scummy :wall:
very poor vote turn out except for the first round. :sad:

[Renata]

TOO too funny.

Mind if I laugh? Because I so didn't deserve to win that one.

(ha-ha)

[Beskar]

good game Renata. i have been telling that you are scummy...but everyone thought i was scummy :wall:
very poor vote turn out except for the first round. :sad:

I tried to help you. :no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Way to go "scum"-team (an army of one?) for winning second scrimmage in a row.

[Thermal]

This will obviously sound fake but I was thinking renata, given a high activity rate and early suspicions :tongue: Shame so few were active! Well done anyway :]

These seven man scrimmages are pretty good, simple, straight to the point and very easy to keep track of, a big plus. :tongue:

[Subotan]

What TM said. Although I didn't find this one as interesting as the previous one, to be fair, as there didn't sem to be anything we could really do to snuff out the jester.

On the plus side, I'm still alive :D

[Centurion1]

I was serious after the fluffy debacle I would purposefully ask to be lynched as a jester no point for
me to cote

[CCRunner]

When can we expect the third game to go up, approximately?

[Diamondeye]

I'm in a lot of games at the moment. I think it fair to start it once CDf's mini game has ended. I have the roles outlined, I just need to write the thing :laugh4: