Obama appearantly can also speak "Negro" when necessary

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N10127018.htm

Man, imagine if Reid was a Republican!!!
The Majority Leader of the Senate actually said this!!! Where's the outrage?:laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

And I'm glad Anne painted Poverty Pimp Sharpton in the corner on this as well...
http://www.breitbart.tv/coulter-to-sharpton-on-reid-did-he-ask-you-to-stop-using-that-negro-dialect/

[Vladimir]

Pfft. That's so 7 AM this morning. We've moved on by now.

[Centurion1]

Man, imagine if Reid was a Republican!!!
The Majority Leader of the Senate actually said this!!! Where's the outrage?

because hes a liberal and by definition cannot be a racist. the funny thing is that biden said much the same thing earlier and NO prominent republicans said anything like this. but still the GOP are racists.

[Subotan]

If a Republican said it, I'd probably just raise an eyebrow. Likewise for the Democrat. Unless Obama feels personally offended by this, Reid shouldn't do anything

[Devastatin Dave]

If a Republican said it, I'd probably just raise an eyebrow. Likewise for the Democrat. Unless Obama feels personally offended by this, Reid shouldn't do anything

Do you live in the States or reside on the planet Earth?

[Subotan]

Gaia.

[Louis VI the Fat]

That's Ebonics, Dave, you sheet-wearing, cross-burning rightwing maniac. Who do you think you are, the Democrat leader of the senate? :laugh4:




Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9SPdh4Nzy4&feature=related

:sweatdrop:

[Devastatin Dave]

deleted because I'm sure that people wouldn't get it

[Pannonian]

DD, is this your way of welcoming back Kukri?

[Devastatin Dave]

DD, is this your way of welcoming back Kukri?

:laugh4:

Just tryin to get that boy workin...:yes:

[Mooks]

The republican party is just trying to annoy the democrats. Theres nothing racist about calling Obama a light skinned black man that doesnt have a negro accent....thats what he is. Hes rich and hes only half black.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The republican party is just trying to annoy the democrats. Theres nothing racist about calling Obama a light skinned black man that doesnt have a negro accent....thats what he is. Hes rich and hes only half black.

You think there's a "negro accent"? :inquisitive:

CR

[Major Robert Dump]

Sometimes I think democrats, especially the ones who enjoy their holy entitlements, are kind of like abused wives who withstand the punishment of the abuser because he buys them nice things, pays the bills and mows the lawn. Harry Reid is only throwing black people down the stairs because he loves them. It's different when they're alone.

[Lemur]

I'll let a negro columnist (http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2010/01/on_harry_reid.php) do the talking, since I'm about as ebonic as the Osmonds:

John Cornyn and Michael Steele think that Harry Reid's comments are the same as (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/10/reid-mounted-aggressive-campaign-minimize-obama-negro-comment/) Trent Lott's.


"In 2002, Democrats expressed outrage at Senator Lott and called on him to step down as leader. That same standard should be applied to Senator Reid and his embarrassing and racially insensitive statements; statements, I would add, that Senator Reid still has yet to clarify," Cornyn said in a written statement.

"As we await his explanation, Senator Reid should do the right thing, follow the example that he himself set in 2002, and step down as majority leader."

I think you can grant that, in this era, the term "Negro dialect" is racially insensitive and embarrassing. That said, the fair-mind listener understands the argument--Barack Obama's complexion and his ability to code-switch is an asset. You can quibble about the "light skin" part, but forget running for president, code-switching is the standard M.O. for any African American with middle class aspirations.

But there's no such defense for Trent Lott. Lott celebrated apartheid Mississippi's support of Strom Thurmond, and then said that had Thurmond won, "we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years.'' Strom Thurmond run for president, specifically because he opposed Harry Truman's efforts at integration. This is not mere conjecture--nearly half of Thurmond's platform was dedicated to preserving segregation. The Dixiecrat slogan was "Segregation Forever!" (Exclamation point, theirs.) Trent Lott's wasn't forced to resign because he said something "racially insensitive." He was forced to resign because he offered tacit endorsement of white supremacy--frequently.

Claiming that Harry Reid's comments are the same, is like claiming that referring to Jews as "Hebrews" is the same as endorsing Nazism. Whereas a reputable portion of black people still use the term Negro without a hint of irony, no black person thinks the guy yelling "Segregation Forever!" would have cured us of "all these problems."

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"Negro dialect" and "honest injun" are both insignificant if you aren't dumb enough to make wild assumptions about someone's character based on their use.

But don't they realize how silly they sound calling for his resignation? Why didn't they just point out the fuss made over honest injun and compare it?

[Centurion1]

The republican party is just trying to annoy the democrats. Theres nothing racist about calling Obama a light skinned black man that doesnt have a negro accent....thats what he is. Hes rich and hes only half black.

this implies republicans made him say this. we dont control his mind.............. yet.


personally i believe negro is an outdated word not a rascist one.

[KukriKhan]

DD, is this your way of welcoming back Kukri?

Just when you think he's gone away, race-relations comes up, and Dave always delivers. :) (thanks for that edit Dave; you're right.)

The US commentariat seems mostly concerned with measuring the degree of racism revealed by remarks made by white politicians. So far, on a scale of 1 to 10, Reid's defenders score it a "1", while they see Lott's contribution a "9" or more. The other side paints both as 10's and resign-able offenses.

My problem with Sen Reid's observations of Obama's light-skin and non-negro dialect, is the underlying assumption made: american voters will find Obama more palatable, and less threatening, than other black politicians with darker skin and inner-city dialects. He (Reid) in effect is talking about marketing a black man to a racist nation. I think this shows a fundamental disrespect and condescension toward american voters.

Disrespect and condescension are not fire-able offenses. But if I were a Nevada voter, I'd be looking for someone else who understands and respects me, next election.

[naut]

Obama appearantly can also smoke "Ganga" when necessary

https://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8523/20162245501604031660309.jpg

[Devastatin Dave]

"Negro dialect" and "honest injun" are both insignificant if you aren't dumb enough to make wild assumptions about someone's character based on their use.

But don't they realize how silly they sound calling for his resignation? Why didn't they just point out the fuss made over honest injun and compare it?

Tell that to Trent Lott or Sen George Allen.

[AlexanderSextus]

Negro dialect???? WTH?


He basically said, Obama is a good president because he's an uncle tom.

If that isn't racist i don't know what is.

Honestly, why does a president have to speak a certain way? I for one would like a president who uses slang sometimes.

Think about it.

"Yo, Khameini. YOU BUGGIN. If you dont stop tryin to enrich uranium we gonna kick in tha do' wavin tha fo' fo'!"

"3rd world countries don't know bout mah defense budget"

"nah mean we gonna keep breakin bread wit europe."

That would be awesome. It really would.

[HoreTore]

because hes a liberal and by definition cannot be a racist. the funny thing is that biden said much the same thing earlier and NO prominent republicans said anything like this. but still the GOP are racists.

Words or wording mean nothing; intent means everything.

I call my sisters bf all the racial slurs I know, and try to come up with a new one every time I see him. Does he mind? No, because he knows that I'm joking and that I mean no harm, so why should he care? On the other hand, if someone he didn't know made the same comments I do, of course he would be insulted and angry.

[Devastatin Dave]

Words or wording mean nothing; intent means everything.

I call my sisters bf all the racial slurs I know, and try to come up with a new one every time I see him. Does he mind? No, because he knows that I'm joking and that I mean no harm, so why should he care? On the other hand, if someone he didn't know made the same comments I do, of course he would be insulted and angry.

Let me guess, some of your best friends are black also, right?

[Ser Clegane]

Without knowing more about the context this looks like a very pathetic and patronizing thing to say by Reid.

The racism here might not be based on malevolence but rather silly ignorance (not that this is particularly great either)

Perhaps this guy did not realize that things changed a tiny bit during the last 50 - 100 years?

[rvg]

Don't know what's more pathetic: Reid saying what he said or the Liberal wing sweeping it under the rug and pretending that nothing has happened.

[HoreTore]

Let me guess, some of your best friends are black also, right?

Nah, I don't know any Africans. Only arabs, indians, turks and pakistanis I'm afraid....

yes, I know what you're getting at, and I have to say that it's quite misplaced...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

There's a certain logic to his words though, isn't there, Obama is about as racial neutral as you can get. He's neither "Black" nor "White" but it a genuinely ballanced mix of the two.

The wording was clearly sledgehammer-subtle, but the point is well made.

[aimlesswanderer]

Our news here played something from a US news channel about the issue, and they talked to a few black professors/experts, and the general opinion was that while it was rather stupid thing to say, there was, unfortunately, more than a grain of truth to it. There have, apparently, been studies which suggest that people with darker skin (and who speak more like they're from the ghetto or MTV) are not treated as well as those with lighter skin. We're talking electability, job prospects, even greater levels of fear and uncertainty. Sad but true it seems.

[HoreTore]

You think there's a "negro accent"? :inquisitive:

CR

Sociolect would be a better term.

[Lemur]

Tell that to Trent Lott or Sen George Allen.
Something that seems to get lost in the kerfluffle: Dems did not orchestrate Senator Lott's ousting. Somebody else (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/21/national/21STRA.html?pagewanted=all) did that. I'll give you a shiny nickel if you can guess who ...


It was no less than the president himself who began the destruction of Mr. Lott. Last Thursday in Philadelphia, in a sharp rebuke that was the political equivalent of cutting off Mr. Lott's legs, the president said that comments Mr. Lott made on Dec. 5, applauding Senator Strom Thurmond's presidential run in 1948 "do not reflect the spirit of our country" and that "any suggestion that the segregated past was acceptable or positive is offensive and it is wrong."

Republicans said that the condemnation was the idea of Mr. Bush, not Mr. Rove, and that the president was well aware that his words would set in motion a chain of events that were likely to lead to Mr. Lott's resignation. Mr. Bush — who began his political education at the side of Lee Atwater, the bad-boy strategist of the first President Bush's successful 1988 campaign — then immediately ordered his staff to speak no more on the subject.

At that point, Republicans said, no one at the White House had to say a word. "When the president made his statement in Philadelphia, it signaled the White House's view on Lott's continuing as leader," one Republican said. "And it was a strong, unmistakable signal that it would be extraordinarily difficult for Lott to be effective as leader."

The next day, Mr. Lott held a news conference in Mississippi apologizing for his comments. Mr. Bush, meanwhile, headed for a weekend at Camp David and maintained a determined public silence on Mr. Lott. Although Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, said after Mr. Lott's news conference that "the president doesn't think Trent Lott needs to resign" (a line Mr. Fleischer repeated all week), not once did the president offer any public support for Mr. Lott.

C'mon, Dave, let's have a moment of honesty: If the Dems had been yowling for Sen. Lott's scalp, and the administration had backed him, do you think he would have resigned? I don't mean to interrupt your regularly scheduled outrage with history, context and reason, but let's try to play like big kids for a minute, mmkay?

[Ironside]

Tell that to Trent Lott or Sen George Allen.

Trent "When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."
Lott

"I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigra race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches." Strom Turmond during his presidential campaign

and

George "Let's give a welcome to macaca (monkey), here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." Allen? Who didn't resign btw, even if it did cost him the election.

Suure, it's on the same level.

[Strike For The South]

LOL. The negro dialect is the same way white trash from the south talk. It's just the poor southern dialect, there's nothing "negro" about it

God the more I post here the more I think some of you were raised in bubbles..

[Vladimir]

George "Let's give a welcome to macaca (monkey), here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." Allen? Who didn't resign btw, even if it did cost him the election.

Suure, it's on the same level.

This always bothers me. Why should a U.S. politician be knowledgeable of all European racial slurs? It's clearly a play on the name as the person isn't even a black African.

[Ironside]

This always bothers me. Why should a U.S. politician be knowledgeable of all European racial slurs? It's clearly a play on the name as the person isn't even a black African.

Well, he could simply have used a made up word, that accidently was a racial slur. He could have played on mohawk as claimed (and not S.R. Sidarth's real name) and possibly used a word he heard in his youth (his mother lived in region where they might've used it).

But he is also using it in a very disparaging context, so unless he has a notable habit of spewing out nonsense words in that context, it's way more probable that he had some knowledge of it's derogatory context as an insult based on race.

It has confirmed use in north africa, where there's a certain lack of black people. It's not like only blacks can and have been exposed to racial slurs.

[Vladimir]

But he is also using it in a very disparaging context, so unless he has a notable habit of spewing out nonsense words in that context, it's way more probable that he had some knowledge of it's derogatory context as an insult based on race.

This is legitimate and my main problem with the statement. IIRC Mohawk monkey boy worked for a political opponent and the statement demonstrated a lack of basic respect.

[Megas Methuselah]

God the more I post here the more I think some of you were raised in bubbles..

This comin' from the guy who called me a "crazy injun" in jest and had no idea that where I'm from, the word "injun" is very much a racist term on par with the n-word that we're supposedly not allowed to post on the Org. :laugh4:


"honest injun"

:sad:


"nah mean we gonna keep breakin bread wit europe."

That would be awesome. It really would.

That truly would be awesome. I particularly enjoy saying that last phrase out loud.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This comin' from the guy who called me a "crazy injun" in jest and had no idea that where I'm from, the word "injun" is very much a racist term on par with the n-word that we're supposedly not allowed to post on the Org. :laugh4:



:sad:

It doesn't have common enough or consistent enough usage to assume anything about the person who says it. Same with negro. And "honest injun" is an expression. Like saying "scout's honor".

[Megas Methuselah]

It doesn't have common enough or consistent enough usage to assume anything about the person who says it. Same with negro. And "honest injun" is an expression. Like saying "scout's honor".

And you are totally correct. But it still makes me have one sad smiley. :sad:

[Beskar]

I don't get "honest injun", I tried going through google and it basically means "being honest".

Isn't that a compliment? I rather be racially stereotyped as being a honest person than a dishonest one. (like Blacks and Scousers usually are)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't get "honest injun", I tried going through google and it basically means "being honest".

Isn't that a compliment? I rather be racially stereotyped as being a honest person than a dishonest one. (like Blacks and Scousers usually are)

Perhaps urban dictionary can help:


Can be used in reference to other people who are "down with the brown". This EVEN includes white people, as long as they're tight with some Indians.
"Yo what up my injun!"
"Injun please..."
"I'm gonna have to go **** that injun up!"
"Shame on a injun"

Or perhaps not...

[Megas Methuselah]

Oh geeze...

[Subotan]

Mammy is an example of a "good stereotype", yet no one would go up to a black woman and call her "Aunt Jemima".

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't get "honest injun", I tried going through google and it basically means "being honest".

Isn't that a compliment? I rather be racially stereotyped as being a honest person than a dishonest one. (like Blacks and Scousers usually are)

I believe the implication is that most "Injuns" are not honest.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This comin' from the guy who called me a "crazy injun" in jest and had no idea that where I'm from, the word "injun" is very much a racist term on par with the n-word that we're supposedly not allowed to post on the Org. :laugh4:

This from the man who once called me a "Self centred ignorant Euro", and uses "Euro" the way White Supremists use "Coloured".

Oh, and for the record I don't hate you, I just don't like being racially stereotyped based on what continent my Island happens to be proximate to.

[Centurion1]

Oh, and for the record I don't hate you, I just don't like being racially stereotyped based on what continent my Island happens to be proximate to.

you silly brits with your sensitivity, then again i wouldnt want to be considered european either.


seriously are there any black people in europe? either way it doesnt matter because they wouldnt speak in eubonics...... which is this dialect we are all tap dancing around. yes it exists, yes it is most common with urban black but as strike said it is also used by white people. mainly wannabee surburban white kids, and poor white people. it really isnt a "negro dialect" its a poor person dialect thats hella difficult to understand sometimes.

what reid said was a tad blunt but was pretty true. americans would vote for a white dude who walked around talking bout his homies and his ho's. the only thing i see wrong is his statement that it is an exclusively black dialect.


lol i always forget that honestly most of you europeans rarely see black people. while over in america they make up 17% of the population. i mean im surronded by black people where i live in the midatlantic and im not even in Mississippi or alabama where the populations are humongous.

(im sure you would understand why there are more blakcs in the south than the north. :wink:)

anyway in essence what im saying is that Sen. Reids comments were ignorantly phrased but unfortunately true to some extent.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Rarely see black people? To be sure it'll depend on what part of Europe you comment. But let's put it this way: utterly rubbish.

[Louis VI the Fat]

lol i always forget that honestly most of you europeans rarely see black people. You haven't travelled much, have you? :wink:


Paris is a white-minority city. It is impossible to get reliable statistics, but I think there are more Africans than Frenchmen in Paris.

However that may be, pictures of the real Paris. Not the troubled suburbs, just the city itself (intra muros), which is extremely diverse:


https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7235/25631987130d57cdd790o.jpg


https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8585/metroh.jpg



https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2307/leshalles.jpg



https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1632/2348631519c4ebb9374ao.jpg

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Rarely see black people? To be sure it'll depend on what part of Europe you comment. But let's put it this way: utterly rubbish.

Well, as you said, it's only rubbish depending on where you live. Admittedly, I don't give it very much though either way, but thinking back, I could name a few cities where he would be correct, as well as a few where he would be incorrect.

[Centurion1]

Well my apologies gentlemen. My real point was yes you have blacks and Arabs and Indians (probably quite a few more Arabs than the US actually, especially France) but the African-American does not have anything really resembling a traditional African social life..... in stereotype of course. this is what i meant to imply, that you all have few African-Americans not simply blacks. i mistakenly used the word black instead of African-American

And actually Louis i have visited a few European countries, mostly to visit extended family but over the course of my almost 18 years i have been to Croatia, Russia, Ireland, Britain (wales to be precise), and northern France (though only for a few days with some like second cousins or something).

I have also been to Mexico (and not just Tijuana) as well as Canada, lol.


my apologies if my rubbish offended anyone.

[A Very Super Market]

That man is standing irresponsibly close to the train tracks. Coincidentally, he doesn't look very French.

I see this "negro" gaffe as simply that. And old man using old terminology. It is quite awkward, but not much more so than the kind old lady that can't help but say "Oriental" in your presence.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

my apologies if my rubbish offended anyone.

It isn't rubbish. It's all in where the European has been and where they live.

[Megas Methuselah]

This from the man who once called me a "Self centred ignorant Euro", and uses "Euro" the way White Supremists use "Coloured".

Oh, and for the record I don't hate you, I just don't like being racially stereotyped based on what continent my Island happens to be proximate to.

I actually don't bother capitalizing the term "euro." :smile:


...as well as Canada, lol.

A local clown once put up a sign a short distance behind the welcoming sign to my First Nation. It read something along the lines of, "If you look close enough, you might just see an Indian." :laugh4: It's sharp humour and irony gave me a good laugh, though it was sadly taken down since I last went out.

[HoreTore]

That man is standing irresponsibly close to the train tracks. Coincidentally, he doesn't look very French.

He doesn't?

He looks very french to me....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

lol i always forget that honestly most of you europeans rarely see black people. while over in america they make up 17% of the population. i mean im surronded by black people where i live in the midatlantic and im not even in Mississippi or alabama where the populations are humongous.

We see them often enough, it's not as though we don't have have non-white people. And you're wrong about the accent, over here they affect a pseudo-Carribean one.


I actually don't bother capitalizing the term "euro." :smile:

You still use it in a racist context, to define me as a person based on my continent. It's like calling someone an "African" and meaning an ignorant savage.

[Subotan]

lol i always forget that honestly most of you europeans rarely see black people. while over in america they make up 17% of the population
No way is it that high. 12% is more accurate.



but over the course of my almost 18 years i have been to Croatia, Russia, Ireland, Britain (wales to be precise), and northern France (though only for a few days with some like second cousins or something).

Those are all almost exclusively white(Except maybe North France)


You still use it in a racist context, to define me as a person based on my continent. It's like calling someone an "African" and meaning an ignorant savage
I don't mind it at all.

[HoreTore]

No way is it that high. 12% is more accurate.

I've always thought it was 13%....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

And actually Louis i have visited a few European countries, mostly to visit extended family but over the course of my almost 18 years i have been to Croatia, Russia, Ireland, Britain (wales to be precise), and northern France (though only for a few days with some like second cousins or something).

Russia and Croatia are almost completely white, Ireland is almost as monotone, and in rural Wales "Black" can still refer to the Northern Welsh with dark hair; if "Northern France" actually means Brittany then you've basically visited the five places least affected by immigration.


I don't mind it at all.

I don't mind being called European, but Methuselah uses "Euro" the way he complains about other using the "N-word". It's the same as being called "Whitey", which is also derogatory.

[Husar]

I don't mind it at all.

It's funny because he capitalizes first nation but not Euro.

And HoreTore, I think everybody has their own prejudices about who looks french. To say someone looks french or not already is applying prejudice to the looks of the person, isn't it?

[Pannonian]

You still use it in a racist context, to define me as a person based on my continent. It's like calling someone an "African" and meaning an ignorant savage.
Gah. "African" as an intended insult is so quaint. "Mongoloid" is where it's at.

[Strike For The South]

This comin' from the guy who called me a "crazy injun" in jest and had no idea that where I'm from, the word "injun" is very much a racist term on par with the n-word that we're supposedly not allowed to post on the Org. :laugh4:
.

You make the assumption I'm ignorant. I know exactly what injun means and in what context its used..

However it is not on the same level as the "N" word because if that were true the Washington Redskins (amore offensive term) would've changed there name long ago

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's funny because he capitalizes first nation but not Euro.

Ouch


And HoreTore, I think everybody has their own prejudices about who looks french. To say someone looks french or not already is applying prejudice to the looks of the person, isn't it?

And Ouch! :laugh4:

[A Very Super Market]

He doesn't?

He looks very french to me....

After some concerted visual fondling, I can say that he looks more like Niko Bellic than a Frenchmen.

[HoreTore]

After some concerted visual fondling, I can say that he looks more like Niko Bellic than a Frenchmen.

Well yeah, he's only one person, of course he doesn't look like frechmen......:clown:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Please keep this thread on theme. I do NOT want to shut down a DevDave thread because of other posters. :beam:

[Subotan]

However it is not on the same level as the "N" word because if that were true the Washington Redskins (amore offensive term) would've changed there name long ago

Or, maybe it's socially acceptable to treat Native American culture that way. Besides, words different across borders. For example, I find the word "spaz" very offensive, yet plenty of toys, adverts and TV shows etc. feature "You stupid spaz!".

[Meneldil]

Nevermind.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Or, maybe it's socially acceptable to treat Native American culture that way. Besides, words different across borders. For example, I find the word "spaz" very offensive, yet plenty of toys, adverts and TV shows etc. feature "You stupid spaz!".

I find supporting pretend religions insulting to my faith.

[drone]

I find supporting pretend religions insulting to my faith.

Hey now! :furious3:

[Subotan]

I find supporting pretend religions insulting to my faith.
As do I :yes:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I find supporting pretend religions insulting to my faith.

Which "pretend" religion.

[HoreTore]

Which "pretend" religion.

All of them? :clown:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Which "pretend" religion.

The "Church of Google"

[Megas Methuselah]

However it is not on the same level as the "N" word because if that were true the Washington Redskins (amore offensive term) would've changed there name long ago

I was just pokin fun at you, old buddy. But yeah, like the Chicago Blackhawks, the Redskins is... rather offensive. I may as well go paint my face black and cheer for that new hockey team called the "New Orleans n-word" or something. Some First Peoples may not find it insulting, but I personally do. It's much like the term "Indian." I don't find it offensive (I'm annoyed when it is used, but certainly not offended), whilst others do; it varies from person to person or community to community.

Anyways, for whatever odd reason...


...it's socially acceptable to treat Native American culture that way.

:sad:


It's funny because he capitalizes First Nation but not euro.

Fix'd.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I was just pokin fun at you, old buddy. But yeah, like the Chicago Blackhawks, the Redskins is... rather offensive. I may as well go paint my face black and cheer for that new hockey team called the "New Orleans n-word" or something. Some First Peoples may not find it insulting, but I personally do. It's much like the term "Indian." I don't find it offensive (I'm annoyed when it is used, but certainly not offended), whilst others do; it varies from person to person or community to community.

Anyways, for whatever odd reason...

You can't complain at all, not when you post things like:



Fix'd.

It's not OK to be racist to white people. Get over yourself, you're no more special than anyone else.

[Lemur]

What does it take to get a thread locked these days?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Megas, you're not much different from the people you try to attack. At first I thought you were being satirical, but clearly this is only partially true at best. That is unfortunate, as your attitudes towards whites hurt, rather than help, your case. I don't care what the politically correct belief is, but my personal opinion is that racism is unacceptable regardless of whom it is directed against.

[Subotan]

The "Church of Google"
I will accept that complaint when you can prove that yours is more plausible than mine. For reference, my deity actually exists.


:sad:

Huh?

[KukriKhan]

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What does it take to get a thread locked these days?

3 easy payments to Kukrikhan@paypal.com.

j/k

So, what do we have here? A thread about a white US Senator using an ancient race-designation word in private, revealed by a tell-all book. A discussion of whether his word selection is appropriate, or accurate, or offensive - and if so, offensive enough to lose his current position - or offensive at all, compared to other poilitician's "inartful" wordings in the past. References provided. All normal backroom talk.

Then, inexplicably, a brawl between 2 members, obviously simmering and long in coming, over who or which is racist, or more racist than the other.

Before the thread gets closed, only to erupt in another place at another time, let's have a fight using the Marquis of Queensberry rules (backroom edition), to wit:

PVC having been the last respondent, MM gets the next punch: lay out your case for how the European oppression of North American inhabitants 1492-2010 causes all people of European origin to be genetically hard-wired to be negatively discriminitive or violently disposed toward any people of melanin content over type III.

After which, PVC may present his case to the opposite, or claim irrelevance, or some other device.

Then MM. Then PVC. and so on.

3 rounds, referee'd by me, and judged/scored by the backroom Mods, whose judgment is final.

Boxers may not use the word "you" anywhere in their posts (that being below the belt).

Boxers may not appeal to any authority higher than the backroom for assistance.

If agreed, then "Let's get ready to rumble" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RBeoPauVb0)

Otherwise... we are done.

[Megas Methuselah]

I don't need to prove whites are a bad breed. Nor do I answer to people like you, Lemur*. :2thumbsup:


That is unfortunate, as your attitudes towards whites hurt, rather than help, your case. I don't care what the politically correct belief is, but my personal opinion is that racism is unacceptable regardless of whom it is directed against.

It's the internet. Rather than scream my hatred in the real world, I can instead direct it at a couple Germans and a Brit with little to no consequences. Be that as it may, my racism is merely a product of... racism. I'm sorry your people hated mine so much as to cause mine to hate yours.

Lemur had no influence on this thead. It was I, KukriKhan, who proposed a fair fight.

[KukriKhan]

Very well then, contest declined by boxer #1.

Thread closed. Thanks all, for your contributions.