View Full Version : Video games 'worse' than porn
Posted in the Backroom due to the slightly adult nature of the topic!
So...Ron Jeremy (a male porn 'actor') has come out and said that violent video games have a much bigger negative influence on kids than porn (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8453043.stm). The choice of venue for this bold statement? Whilst visiting the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas :laugh4:.
So...what do fellow Orgah's feel about this issue? Personally I think it should be regarded as which is better, not which is worse! :eyebrows:
Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.
//expects Horetore to show up
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
01-13-2010, 12:08
Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.
//expects Horetore to show up
Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 12:16
Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.
Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.
//expects Horetore to show up
I didn't really have anything to add... But this comment made me :smash:
Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.
Violence is somewhat sexual in nature as well, but even after watching violent porn (if that is your thing, know of at least one very respectable orgah who does) that emotion ends up somewhere else, then it's gone it has been relieved. But I don't believe playing ultra-violent video-games aren't totally harmless for those already on the edge. Short burst vs prolonged exposure.
Mithrandir
01-13-2010, 12:28
Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.
~:rolleyes:
:no::thumbsdown:
I don't see porn and video games as being bad (at a user end as such). But if I had to choose, porn would obviously be worse as it involved real people and a lot of the porn industry is a very dirty, very corrupt and a very exploitive buisness.
So in otherwords, porn is worse than video games as no humans were hurt in the process of a video game.
Most violent games are 18+ so they are not for kids anyway....
it´s kind of a pointless comment.
I have to agree that the most important question is "which one is more awesome anyway?" :2thumbsup:
~:rolleyes:
:no::thumbsdown:
It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.
Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.
Actually, I would argue it would be the feelings of desire/being wanted and being taken by some one you want to be taken by.
So it is not actually rape at all. As in rape, you are being taken by someone which you don't, which is a complete contradictionary in terms.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 12:38
~:rolleyes:
:no::thumbsdown:
Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.
Though this was on the BBC website recently, as in, I just went on and saw it now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8455161.stm
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 12:45
Though this was on the BBC website recently, as in, I just went on and saw it now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8455161.stm
That sounds an awful lot like how we gave lower sentences for rapists if the victim was seen as promiscuous...
Can't say I like the look of it...
Scienter
01-13-2010, 13:27
I don't think it's a question of which is 'worse.' At the end of the day, it's the parents' responsibility to make sure the kids don't see the stuff that parents don't approve of.
I hear parents rant about how dreadful video games are, and then when I go to the store I see parents buying GTA for their kid, who is not tall enough to see the top of the counter. Games have a rating system, people need to learn what the ratings mean. There are parent-oriented game review sites out there that go into detail about the content of the games.
I agree with Beskar that porn is a shady business. But, the idea of porn is not "bad" IMO, so long as the people making it aren't being hurt. Again, I think the responsibility for keeping kids away from porn lies with the parents.
I think that the US has it backwards when it comes to sex and violence. Movies can contain a ton of violence, torture, etc., and be PG-13, but if an otherwise harmless movie shows a boob for long enough, it gets an R.
Sorry for lack of coherence, I just got up. :coffeenews:
//hands Scienter coffee
Ain't that shady it's a professional business, these girls make a lot of money and can make demands, for porn enthousiasts these girls are superstars. And they aren't in short supply anyway just type 'amateur' on porntube you will get hundreds of results. It isn't like prostitution in any way.
pevergreen
01-13-2010, 13:47
Games have a rating system, people need to learn what the ratings mean.
[/Obligitory Australian whinge about ratings.]
I think the focus rests on the kids themselves. The child has to be smart enough to determine what is socially acceptable and what isnt. I played GTA 3 when I was 10, GTA 2 before that. Did I suddenly think that going around shooting people was ok? (Yes I did play the pre-censored version)
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
01-13-2010, 14:01
Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.
Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 14:05
Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.
No, I'm talking about roleplaying a rape, not "getting rough".
Mithrandir
01-13-2010, 14:11
It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.
You'd completely change your mind if someone close to you was raped and you knew what impact it had on their lives.
To say I'm offended by your statement wouldn't be quite correct, but I don't like it whatsoever.
Not the fact that it's directed at me, but the fact that you think it's normal to have rape fantasies.
Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.
Maybe, but never something which goes against the will of the other, ruining complete lives.
I'll won't respond to this topic anymore since no good will come of it. But please be sensitive to the subject and know what enormous impact such a dispicable act can have on peoples lives. Please don't make it seem like something "normal" to consider or fantasize about.
:bow:
Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.
Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 14:13
Maybe, but never something which goes against the will of the other, ruining complete lives.
I'll won't respond to this topic anymore since no good will come of it. But please be sensitive to the subject and know what enormous impact such a dispicable act can have on peoples lives. Please don't make it seem like something "normal" to consider or fantasize about.
:bow:
Goes against the will of another?
Please, do read my post again.
You'd completely change your mind if someone close to you was raped and you knew what impact it had on their lives.
It is just a fantasy, and yeah I know a person like that. Got to know the person who did it as well.
Ser Clegane
01-13-2010, 14:35
Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.
This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.
Posted in the Backroom due to the slightly adult nature of the topic!
So...Ron Jeremy (a male porn 'actor') has come out and said that violent video games have a much bigger negative influence on kids than porn (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8453043.stm). The choice of venue for this bold statement? Whilst visiting the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas :laugh4:.
So...what do fellow Orgah's feel about this issue? Personally I think it should be regarded as which is better, not which is worse! :eyebrows:
I guess it depends on what games you play or what kind of porn you watch.
All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.
And no, [insert hunk] "forcing" himself on a woman who adores [insert hunk] does not count as "rape fantasy", because if that would happen, said woman would be very cooperative and [insert hunk] wouldn't have to force anything.
This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.
Sorry I was trying to make a point. Yes of course but power/overpowered is where the fantasy lies, it is just a bedtime fantasy, role-play. It isn't my thing but there is nothing wrong with it.
edit: example was to prove it's an unconcious way we look at things, if you look for innuendo in violence you will find a lot of it it, in every language. .
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 14:49
This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.
Rape is about power and control, not sex, who doesn't know that in this age? Roleplay rape on the other hand, has nothing to do with actual rape, but everything to do with sex.
All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.
Personal experience mostly, sorry.
Personal experience mostly, sorry.
You was given a seeing to by Big Bubba and you worked out you enjoyed it, from the experience?
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 15:04
You was given a seeing to by Big Bubba and you worked out you enjoyed it, from the experience?
Hah! Sadly, no, just conversations with various women......
EDIT: Oh, and Cupido, a "text-based" porn mag(hardly any pics, lots of erotic stories and articles on sex) had playrape as their theme either this month or the previous, I can't remember exactly...
EDIT2: And no I don't know that because I buy it(the internet was still free last time I checked), I know it because we sell them at work :smash:
EDIT3: No, I don't work at a smut shop, I work at a gas station.
actually
edit: oh damnit you ruined my joke
Scienter
01-13-2010, 15:10
I guess it depends on what games you play or what kind of porn you watch.
All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.
I can only speak for myself and the close friends I talk about sex with, but I don't know anyone who has rape fantasies. These are separate from 'getting rough' or BDSM. Rape is an act of violence against a woman, has nothing to do with sex. That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.
And no, [insert hunk] "forcing" himself on a woman who adores [insert hunk] does not count as "rape fantasy", because if that would happen, said woman would be very cooperative and [insert hunk] wouldn't have to force anything.
Agreed. :yes:
A sexual fantasy about rape is not possible, because rape per definition is sex lacking consent. It isn't rape if there is consent.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 15:14
I can only speak for myself and the close friends I talk about sex with, but I don't know anyone who has rape fantasies. These are separate from 'getting rough' or BDSM. Rape is an act of violence against a woman, has nothing to do with sex. That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.
A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?
Scienter
01-13-2010, 15:17
Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.
"Rape culture (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html) is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.
I don't necessarily agree with everything in that link I posted, but the author has an excellent point in that quote I pasted in.
That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.
More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.
"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.
Rape is known to be a weapon of war, how much harder can you hit someone. But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.
Scienter
01-13-2010, 15:20
A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?
There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 15:30
There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.
*Sigh*......
I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....
I'll use one woman's playrape fantasy as an example:
The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.
But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.
Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.
Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.
And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....
More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.
...
But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.
I understand what you're talking about here, but you're putting yourself in the disturbing position of allowing the man to interpret when no means yes. That's what results in date rape. No means no, period, unless it's part of BDSM play and there's a safe-word involved.
During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask
Kadagar_AV?
~;p
No means no, period,
Indeed.
Not taking no for an answer is pretty much the definition of a rapist.
If you're playing a naughty game, then the rules have to be agreed on first. Even when playing a game, no means no.
Scienter
01-13-2010, 15:37
*Sigh*......
I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....
I'll use one hot woman's(she's actually 3 years younger than me, I'm getting old...) playrape fantasy as an example:
The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.
But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.
Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.
Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.
And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....
Ok, I understand what you are saying. The woman you're talking about is roleplaying; this is something she wants. Maybe the thread got confused. But, real rape is a very serious thing to people who know people who have been raped, or have been raped themselves. Call it playrape, BDSM, roleplaying, what have you, but, just calling it a rape fantasy without being more specific with your words is triggering and inflammatory to some people. Hopefully this will sort it all out. :yes:
I understand what you're talking about here, but you're putting yourself in the disturbing position of allowing the man to interpret when no means yes. That's what results in date rape. No means no, period, unless it's part of BDSM play and there's a safe-word involved.
I am not into that, I am not the one night stand kind of guy. But some people see some harm where there isn't any, some people have some weird habits, I am pretty boring when it comes to that. But there is nothing wrong with it, why care how they do their thing.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 15:39
Ok, I understand what you are saying. The woman you're talking about is roleplaying; this is something she wants. Maybe the thread got confused. But, real rape is a very serious thing to people who know people who have been raped, or have been raped themselves. Call it playrape, BDSM, roleplaying, what have you, but, just calling it a rape fantasy without being more specific with your words is triggering and inflammatory to some people. Hopefully this will sort it all out. :yes:
I called it a rape fantasy because that's the term people use for it....
*Sigh*......
I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....
I'll use one hot woman's(she's actually 3 years younger than me, I'm getting old...) playrape fantasy as an example:
The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.
But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.
Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.
Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.
I know very well what you are talking about; but I insist that the word "rape" isn't the word people should be looking for.
And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....
Actually, I'm not; and currently I live in Oslo. :book:
For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.
I wouldn't say "disturbing" because it doesn't give me an emotional response of disgust or being disurbed. For example as some one said in Call of Duty example, all it shows to me that the speaker is simply a 13 year old child trying to be 'cool' in otherwords, it just makes me have a low impression of the user.
Some of the other things are an expanded definition but yes, rape is "non-consensal sex" and is always that, it doesn't mean anything else.
Like some one pointed out (Andres, I think), having Bratt Pitt come to your door saying he wants to do the deed, for a female, it would be consensual right on the spot for many of them. This is far closer to the definition of "getting ravished"
Again, "playrape" is consensual sex while pretending it is not. It isn't actually rape. This would go more under roleplaying.
What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 15:57
I know very well what you are talking about; but I insist that the word "rape" isn't the word people should be looking for.
....And Sylfest Lomheim wants people to call 2010 "totusenogti". Good luck to the both of you ~;)
Actually, I'm not; and currently I live in Oslo. :book:
My humble apologies!!
....But I bet you live in Frogner, so the point remains the same.... :smash:
KukriKhan
01-13-2010, 16:02
What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare
Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 16:06
Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.
But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....
Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.
But I am not using it lighthearted that is their actual fantasy. I am a bit amazed here, it has nothing to do with rape, or did you commit genocide when you were playing cowboys and indians.
KukriKhan
01-13-2010, 16:12
But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....
Indeed. I believe you. That's why the thread is still open, so you and Fragony could explain yourselves, and not just get branded as 2 "pro-rape" guys. I think the other readers/posters get the gist of what you're talking about. In return, you fellas need to respect their inclinations; that the very word can and does conjure up hurtful memories - not that they're a bunch prude guys or word-police.
Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?
But I am not using it lighthearted that is their actual fantasy. I am a bit amazed here, it has nothing to do with rape, or did you commit genocide when you were playing cowboys and indians.
Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.
To build on your metaphore, to them, you're not playing cowboys and indians, but you're playing genocide which is very distasteful and upsetting for someone who has experienced "the real thing".
:shrug:
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 16:18
Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.
You don't think I have?
Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?
The thread has reached page 2 now. Backroom tradition states that we may now discuss any subject except the original one....
"pro-rape" guys.
Excuse me?
Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.
People get tortured to death, SM wrong? Many people have been sadistic.
Once again, I am not into it. But I am not going to judge it either, they have fun what's it to me.
To build on your metaphore, to them, you're not playing cowboys and indians, but you're playing genocide which is very distasteful and upsetting for someone who has experienced "the real thing".
:shrug:
I was thinking the same, but you saying that example gave me the mental image of a bunch of kids with one of those plastic kitchen sets, when one of them with a red scarf on their arm ends up saying "come on now, time to get in the oven".
Sasaki Kojiro
01-13-2010, 16:45
But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....
People use ****, ****, and **** to describe sex as well, yes? Words not made up on the spot, terms that have been used for years...
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 17:13
People use ****, ****, and **** to describe sex as well, yes? Words not made up on the spot, terms that have been used for years...
I did not know that "rape fantasy" was among those terms. I mean; "schoolgirl fantasy" doesn't imply an urge to have sex with a juvenile, does it? No, it only implies having sex with someone in a white shirt, tie and short skirt....
I did not know that "rape fantasy" was among those terms. I mean; "schoolgirl fantasy" doesn't imply an urge to have sex with a juvenile, does it? No, it only implies having sex with someone in a white shirt, tie and short skirt....
It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.
This is usually expressed with females in their twenties and thirties with plat short skits which are too short for school requirements, seethrough white blouses, etc as you see around town on hen-nights and the poor excuse of "porn" that is everywhere.
However, the desire and what happens is different. You could argue that those taking part in "playrape" really want to rape others themselves.
It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.
Yeah it would and so what. Don't you ever have a laugh when wrestling in the sack.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 17:36
It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.
It most certainly does not.
It most certainly does not.
Sorry, but I also disagree with you on that one. The 'schoolgirl fantasy' as you call it, most certainly implies a desire to have sex with a young girl who is still in school. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that desire; indeed I would say that the specific fantasy you are talking about is very normal because the age of consent does not match the biological age of sexual maturity. However, it's definitely based on the notion that a person is aroused by teenage schoolgirls. Denying that is, frankly, a bit preposterous.
Well I won't deny it, happy memory's. So what.
edit: and to make it perfectly clear, I meant games, not actually eying teenage girls. Sometimes you have to be sure.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 18:16
Sorry, but I also disagree with you on that one. The 'schoolgirl fantasy' as you call it, most certainly implies a desire to have sex with a young girl who is still in school. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that desire; indeed I would say that the specific fantasy you are talking about is very normal because the age of consent does not match the biological age of sexual maturity. However, it's definitely based on the notion that a person is aroused by teenage schoolgirls. Denying that is, frankly, a bit preposterous.
Nonsense. Here's another take:
Don't we just love fond memories? We do, and the same goes for sex. Your first arousal was caused by girls in these women; the 'schoolgirl fantasy' does not imply anything other than reviving memories; to relive your youth, so to say, in a more mature way.
I don't have a 'schoolgirl fantasy', probably because we don't have school uniforms here. But I do have a hefty football uniform fetish....
Here's another one by the way; shaving pubes. Are the people who like them shaved really looking for under-age sex as well?
Tellos Athenaios
01-13-2010, 18:19
But back at the question at hand. I would say that violence (especially of the close up type a la GTA) is certainly more disturbing to me than porn. Simply because most porn obviously involves sex which is basically OK; whereas the idea & act of walking into a bar with a semi-automatic, turning on the spot and burying a small Armory worth of lead inside the head of one of the customers whilst shouting various expletives to give you the impression of an exceedingly violent parakeet taught human language by a 6 year old schoolboy is not (yet).
The word "fantasy" has a double meaning. In once case, it can mean that people imagine it happening, e.g. rape in consensual roleplay sex. The other meaning of the word comes close to desire, in that if I fantasise about Europa Barbarorum II, I want it really badly. HoreTore was clearly referring to the first instance when talking about rape fantasies.
But back at the question at hand.
BREAKING NEWS: Media hypes story about violence in video games. In other news, scientific study shows that honey makes bears aggressive when they are having a **** in the woods.
Don't we just love fond memories?
Well I do. Still have contact with some of them. Good memory's. Now we are friends.
Nonsense. Here's another take:
Don't we just love fond memories? We do, and the same goes for sex. Your first arousal was caused by girls in these women; the 'schoolgirl fantasy' does not imply anything other than reviving memories; to relive your youth, so to say, in a more mature way.
I fully agree with you on this, but this entire side-discussion happened because you compared the "schoolgirl fantasy" to the "rape fantasy." Yet your justification for why the "schoolgirl fantasy" is ok is because of "fond memories." Are saying "fond memories" applies to the "rape fantasy" as well? If not, you're comparing two very different things.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 18:49
I fully agree with you on this, but this entire side-discussion happened because you compared the "schoolgirl fantasy" to the "rape fantasy." Yet your justification for why the "schoolgirl fantasy" is ok is because of "fond memories." Are saying "fond memories" applies to the "rape fantasy" as well? If not, you're comparing two very different things.
Uhm, no.....
I'm saying that there's a difference between a fantasy and the real thing, and that having a fantasy does not imply wanting to do the real thing.
I fully agree with you on this, but this entire side-discussion happened because you compared the "schoolgirl fantasy" to the "rape fantasy." Yet your justification for why the "schoolgirl fantasy" is ok is because of "fond memories." Are saying "fond memories" applies to the "rape fantasy" as well? If not, you're comparing two very different things.
Oh no... that combined with HoreTore's comment about personal experience...
Uhm, no.....
I'm saying that there's a difference between a fantasy and the real thing, and that having a fantasy does not imply wanting to do the real thing.
Fantasy is pretending to do the real thing. (aka playrape), etc.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 18:55
Oh no... that combined with HoreTore's comment about personal experience...
Don't worry, I can't even get the little guy up if the woman isn't actually up for it. My ex tried to "give in to" sex once, and it resulted in a limp soldier and a very insulted me.
Fantasy is pretending to do the real thing. (aka playrape), etc.
Fantasy has a double meaning, so it means both.
Anyway, why on earth would any woman want to be raped....?
Anyway, why on earth would any woman want to be raped....?
Then why would anyone be interested in "playrape" then?
There is afterall, the out-of-date Freud psychology where the Id has these desires but the Ego prevents these ideas becoming reality. So when you go "I could kill for that tasty burger", your sugerego supresses the 'kill' action, so you don't actually act on your impulses.
"playrape" could be considered acting on your impulses of wanting to get raped/rape, but in a safe environment as instructed by the ego.
Uhm, no.....
I'm saying that there's a difference between a fantasy and the real thing, and that having a fantasy does not imply wanting to do the real thing.
I disagree. Having a fantasy certainly implies at least a moderate level of interest in doing the thing. A fantasy is not the same as doing the real thing, but if you had no interest in doing the real thing you wouldn't be fantasizing about it. In your schoolgirl fantasy "memories" comparison, the person is fantasizing about their own actual sexual encounter... something that did happen in real life, and they are imagining themselves re-living that real sexual encounter.
I'm seriously not trying to turn this into a thought-crime situation. I don't care what a person thinks about, as long as they control their actions, and will argue strongly in favor of anyone being allowed to fantasize about anything they want. However, it's important for people to be aware of their own impulses. If a person is in denial about what their urges are, they are at risk of acting on them in inappropriate situations. Self-control inherently requires knowledge of what needs to be controlled.
I fully agree with you on this, but this entire side-discussion happened because you compared the "schoolgirl fantasy" to the "rape fantasy." Yet your justification for why the "schoolgirl fantasy" is ok is because of "fond memories." Are saying "fond memories" applies to the "rape fantasy" as well? If not, you're comparing two very different things.
Never cracked a skull when you were half-awake? And the schoolgirl and rape victim both have the disadvantage of having very poor odds against a male full of determination. Again, not my thing, but why is it so hard to accept that it is for some, they bring their kids to school and pick them up, nobody gets hurt.
Never cracked a skull when you were half-awake? And the schoolgirl and rape victim both have the disadvantage of having very poor odds against a male full of determination. Again, not my thing, but why is it so hard to accept that it is for some, they bring their kids to school and pick them up, nobody gets hurt.
I have absolutely no idea what argument you're making here.
Fragony is a part-time dutch freudian psychoanalysist.
Crazed Rabbit
01-13-2010, 19:20
Porn is worse.
The violence in video games is clearly a fantasy, or from fantastic (ie not common, real situations, but war, zombie apocalypses, criminal gangs, etc.)
Whereas with porn, people like Ron Jeremy go on about how the videos are supposed to help real people with their sex lives - though porn is based on fantasy, not reality, and objectification of women.
CR
I thought I covered this on the third comment on this page.
pics or it didn't happen
Are you sure?
I have absolutely no idea what argument you're making here.
That some like being vulnerable, or the other way around, what the hell is your problem, or do you finance their bedroom.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 19:31
Then why would anyone be interested in "playrape" then?
There is afterall, the out-of-date Freud psychology where the Id has these desires but the Ego prevents these ideas becoming reality. So when you go "I could kill for that tasty burger", your sugerego supresses the 'kill' action, so you don't actually act on your impulses.
"playrape" could be considered acting on your impulses of wanting to get raped/rape, but in a safe environment as instructed by the ego.
You need to stop seeing rape as just one thing, and instead separate it into separate parts. The real thing gives you all of them, while a roleplay thing only gives you the parts you want.
Whereas with porn, people like Ron Jeremy go on about how the videos are supposed to help real people with their sex lives - though porn is based on fantasy, not reality, and objectification of women.
Porn does help people - it shows you where to put what.
That some like being vulnerable, or the other way around, what the hell is your problem, or do you finance their bedroom.
My problem was with this specific statement:
More like not taking no for an answer
The implication of that was that it was acceptable for someone to engage in a fantasy with another person who was not agreeing to participate in that fantasy. I think that's wrong. I don't care what your fantasies are, but I strongly believe that they have to be consensual.
Porn is worse.
The violence in video games is clearly a fantasy, or from fantastic (ie not common, real situations, but war, zombie apocalypses, criminal gangs, etc.)
Whereas with porn, people like Ron Jeremy go on about how the videos are supposed to help real people with their sex lives - though porn is based on fantasy, not reality, and objectification of women.
CR
Still half of Dutch young women admit watching porn, which means they all do.
implication of that was that it was acceptable for someone to engage in a fantasy with another person who was not agreeing to participate in that fantasy. I think that's wrong. I don't care what your fantasies are, but I strongly believe that they have to be consensual.
Makes you think I don't, of course it must be mutual.
Scienter
01-13-2010, 19:34
Whereas with porn, people like Ron Jeremy go on about how the videos are supposed to help real people with their sex lives - though porn is based on fantasy, not reality, and objectification of women.
CR
I'd agree that a lot of mainstream porn objectifies women, but there's a lot of independent and amateur stuff out there that's fine IMO. It's not as easy to find, and usually its intended audience is women, but at least it's out there, largely thanks to the internet.
Gregoshi
01-13-2010, 19:40
Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?
Porn is worse.
The violence in video games is clearly a fantasy, or from fantastic (ie not common, real situations, but war, zombie apocalypses, criminal gangs, etc.)
Whereas with porn, people like Ron Jeremy go on about how the videos are supposed to help real people with their sex lives - though porn is based on fantasy, not reality, and objectification of women.
CR
Halliluja! Praise the Board! The thread is Porn again! ~D
Noble effort CR, but it looks like it may not work. ~:pat:
I'll try: my logic says violence should be far worse than porn, but the irrational side of me (in this case) doesn't mind violence as much porn when it comes to exposing it to young ones. I guess it might stem from growing up playing army as a kid and not Oh-doctor-I feel-funny-between-my-legs with neighborhood girls (don't think there were any girls in my neighborhood come to think of it...).
Edit: Now it looks like it is working...well done CR! (Ah, the benefits of taking so long to post something)
Why do people have such a problem with thread drift?
Halliluja! Praise the Board! The thread is Porn again! ~D
Taken out of context, Kukri asking us to please talk about porn is indeed pretty hilarious :laugh4:
Gregoshi
01-13-2010, 19:52
Why do people have such a problem with thread drift?
Because in this case it was a failure to communicate (rape vs rape fantasy) which seemed rather pointless after getting through it all. The original topic never really got started before the derailment.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-13-2010, 19:56
Andres:
Here (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_45/ai_n24383385/pg_3/)'s a piece on research regarding the prevalence of the "rape fantasy" among women. It seems that figures vary between 19 and 57% depending on age and study. Suggests that it is a fantasy experience during masturbation for a significant minority of women.
Re: Porn versus video violence:
Video game violence is aimed at the 10-20 age frame and at a primarily male audience (ratings be snookered, let's deal with reality). As such, it interacts with puberty issues -- and research on its impact has been chaotic at best. Is society better served by teaching our young to lead zombies by the correct distance to insure a head shot? Probably not. However, little research indicates that a relatively stable person will become unstable by consuming this form of entertainment.
Porn is aimed at anyone who will pay for it. Setting aside the loathesome subset of that industry that caters to pererasts and other such vermin, it is an industry whose participants are legal adults, compensated for their efforts, and can be presumed to function under the concepts of assumption of risk/informed consent. That said, it is an industry rife with drug use and soul-deadening exploitation that tends to consume its "talent" and provide few rewards save for the profits of the distributors.
Few parents would be happy with their child choosing such a career -- however legal or well compensated -- even if they have no "hangups" whatsoever about sex etc.
Strike For The South
01-13-2010, 20:00
sex>violence
however
video game industry>pr0n industry
Crazed Rabbit
01-13-2010, 20:02
Porn does help people - it shows you where to put what.
:rolleyes: And just how did people reproduce before that then? Heck, how do the Amish make babies without porn to tell them how to do it?
I'd agree that a lot of mainstream porn objectifies women, but there's a lot of independent and amateur stuff out there that's fine IMO. It's not as easy to find, and usually its intended audience is women, but at least it's out there, largely thanks to the internet.
That's probably not as bad. My point of reference was one of Ron Jeremy's debates with the XXX Minister guy.
Still, I think porn generally gives an unrealistic depiction of love, that claims to be true, while violent video games are clearly fantasy.
Of course, neither are appropriate for young kids and it's the parent's duty to control what their kids view.
CR
Skullheadhq
01-13-2010, 20:57
I think it's both harmless, really, what's wrong with porn anyway?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-13-2010, 21:07
I think it's both harmless, really, what's wrong with porn anyway?
Some people object to the industry itself, as Seamus stated. Similar to saying that eating meat is OK but factory farming is wrong. I think the trucking industry is also rife with drug use, and exploitative type of job, and certainly most of the profits go to the business owners. But one can't help but feel that someone working in porn because of a lack of options is a worse thing than someone being a trucker for lack of options.
Others say it provides an inaccurate depiction of sex and leads to men having sexual wants that aren't shared by women. This is more of a criticism against certain parts of the industry.
Meneldil
01-13-2010, 21:08
Ok, I understand what you are saying. The woman you're talking about is roleplaying; this is something she wants. Maybe the thread got confused. But, real rape is a very serious thing to people who know people who have been raped, or have been raped themselves. Call it playrape, BDSM, roleplaying, what have you, but, just calling it a rape fantasy without being more specific with your words is triggering and inflammatory to some people. Hopefully this will sort it all out. :yes:
Maybe I'm weird, or maybe you all are puritan tightass, but I understood what HoreTore meant without the need for more explanation. Rape fantasy = roleplaying a rape, not wishing to be raped.
What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare
Well, hello.
I think comments like
Rape is actually a very common female fantasy.
no matter how thoroughly explained in detail, fully makes sense. "Rape fantasy", OK, but "fantasising about getting raped"? No way. Time for a reminder that you are always responsible for your own wording. If it is a relatively "common" way to talk about a certain domination fantasy like this, time for a reminder that someone do not know what they are talking about.
And just how did people reproduce before that then? Heck, how do the Amish make babies without porn to tell them how to do it?
It is not necessary to have a "good sex life" in order to get offspring, as far as I know.
Skullheadhq
01-13-2010, 21:12
Oh damn, are we advocating rape now...
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 21:16
:rolleyes: And just how did people reproduce before that then? Heck, how do the Amish make babies without porn to tell them how to do it?
I can't really imagine amish women screaming in ecstasy, so.... I believe they could use some porn guidance to tell them where the various buttons are.
Ser Clegane
01-13-2010, 21:16
Oh damn, are we advocating rape now...
No
Ambiguous wording is not equivalent to condoning rape
:rolleyes: And just how did people reproduce before that then? Heck, how do the Amish make babies without porn to tell them how to do it?
I think that porn will make people less likely to have babies as they will be doing it all wrong. We are ending up with a generation which believes doing facials is the norm and have no sense of commitment to a relationship.
Maybe I'm weird, or maybe you all are puritan tightass, but I understood what HoreTore meant without the need for more explanation. Rape fantasy = roleplaying a rape, not wishing to be raped.
Yes, me too knew from post #1 what was meant. Thank you for your snide remark.
People might fantasise about war; but never the negative sides of it. People may not fantasise about rape, because it is sex lacking consent. It would be like fantasising about getting your family blown to pieces in the mentioned war fantasy [when you had no hard feelings towards them]. It is something out of a nightmare, not a fantasy.
EDIT: That some women actually *would* have fantasies about getting raped, implies that it is OK for some women to get raped; which is not what reality is like. They might think that they are getting raped in their fantasies, but they most certainly are not.
Andres:
Here (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_45/ai_n24383385/pg_3/)'s a piece on research regarding the prevalence of the "rape fantasy" among women. It seems that figures vary between 19 and 57% depending on age and study. Suggests that it is a fantasy experience during masturbation for a significant minority of women.
That is a pretty poor study then, the obvious big criticism is that a fantasy to get ravished by Brad Pitt =/= Rape.
The study is fundamentally incorrect.
To quote:
For example, Strassberg and Lockerd (1998) found the following themes to be similar in prevalence to rape fantasies: "I imagine myself delighting many men," and "I pretend that I am another irresistibly sexy female."
That is not rape.
Some people object to the industry itself, as Seamus stated. Similar to saying that eating meat is OK but factory farming is wrong. I think the trucking industry is also rife with drug use, and exploitative type of job, and certainly most of the profits go to the business owners. But one can't help but feel that someone working in porn because of a lack of options is a worse thing than someone being a trucker for lack of options.
What's worse, being a pr0n actress or an EA game developer? :clown:
Ser Clegane
01-13-2010, 21:45
Here is the full study by Bivona. (http://digital.library.unt.edu/data/etd/2008_2/open/meta-dc-9118.tkl)
An important point from the introduction chapter:
Since individuals exert considerable control over the contents of their own fantasies, many rape fantasies involve sexual activities that take place consistent with the will and desire of the fantasizer, even though these activities are against the will of her self character. Thus, from the point of view of the self character, there is non-consent and these are rape fantasies. From the viewpoint of the fantasizer, a type of implicit consent has been given.
Ser Clegane
01-13-2010, 22:00
That is not rape. They do not claim that this is rape. If you look at the full quote it is very obvious that they clearly distinguish between these "desirability fantasies" and "rape fantasies". The key point of the quote with regard to "rape fantasies" is the part I bolded.
It seems likely that desirability contributes to the occurrence of rape fantasies, but there are other fantasy themes that also, and perhaps more directly, focus on the woman's desirability. For example, Strassberg and Lockerd (1998) found the following themes to be similar in prevalence to rape fantasies: "I imagine myself delighting many men," and "I pretend that I am another irresistibly sexy female." Desirability theory could be tested by determining whether women who have rape fantasies are also more likely than other women to have other desirability fantasies.
oops, that was a hiccup on my part then for skim reading.
But as you stated in your other post:
From the viewpoint of the fantasizer, a type of implicit consent has been given.
Therefore, it is not rape.
HoreTore
01-13-2010, 23:02
Therefore, it is not rape.
Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....
We others have been talking about something quite different.
Here is my very own test about whether you think rape is a taboo that shouldn't be discussed, made fun of or portrayed in any other way than what you consider is real rape.
***DISCLAIMERS***
This video is (obviously) a comical sketch, however taking into account the opinions I've read here, this video might be somewhat shocking to the said people, even if it doesn't show any rape. As such, if you think you will be shocked by the mocking of raping, then do NOT see this video.
I have become curious to see to what length do people think it is innappropriate to make fun of, or even speak or use the word of "rape" for any other thing except real rape.
I find the video humourous, and do not see anything wrong with it. In lieu of what I read here, I would like to hear the opinions of other orgahs if this sketch is offensive in any way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fcb-3xmYIA
Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....
We others have been talking about something quite different.
That's why they are not "rape fantasies", it is in fact fantasies of being owerpowered according to own desire; which is something completely different.
Uhm, is this perhaps comparable to how we all play wargames and (maybe) dream of being super soldiers but wouldn't really want to be in a real war and actually do it, some people dream about getting raped(in a simulated way, like war is simulated in games) because it turns them on, yet don't really, seriously want to get raped by some stranger?
Just saying there might be a connection, we fantasize about all sorts of things that we'd rather keep simulated instead of getting the "real deal".
Gregoshi
01-14-2010, 03:39
<7 hours later...>
I can't believe this rape "discussion" is still going on...on something that is, but isn't. :laugh4: A severe case of thread diarrhea... :7doctor:
Well, I'm flushing this one. :toilet: :toilet: (twice :laugh4:)
KukriKhan
01-14-2010, 03:42
Only those who have been decrying rape fantasies here have been talking about rape, Beskar....
We others have been talking about something quite different.
And to be clear, I did not decry so-called rape fantasies; rather, I pleaded for some sympathy for those members of the org who have either been raped, or had someone they care about raped. There are at least 3 such people I am aware of, who read this forum. It's a horrible experience for both the victim and those who care about him or her. I speak from experience there.
All I wanted was for posters to pause 2 seconds before submitting their contribution, and "read fantasize", imagine being the rape victim reading what I just wrote - do I still want to write it in just that way?
Were I decrying rape fantasies, this thread would have closed at page 1.
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Please carry on.
A Very Super Market
01-14-2010, 04:35
We are biologically inclined to have sex. Thus, we can argue that exposing children to porn (Or maybe, those extremely shady subgenres) would have a negative affect on their growth, as their first experience with the concept might involve a man in a monkey suit attempting to procreate with a shrill creature with breasts bounding across the room. This, or course, would be in contrast to a more natural introduction to the wonders of our biology, such as a ravishing and highly embarassing day at the pool.....
*ahem
Sexual development is probably one of the most important parts of our lives. Consider, how serial killers are more often than not killing simply to satisfy their perverse lust. Or just rapists in general. Nothing in our society is more polarising than sex. It can be the pinnacle of a relationship (I am not going to use "climax" anywhere in this post), just another day at the bar, or the ultimate demonstration of spite and malice. It's.... important. Seriously, the entire point of our existence is (Or was) to have sex.
Meanwhile, while we are entirely capable of violence, it isn't something we have an innate need for. The ones who do have one are dangerously insane, unlike the lovable lechers, simply acting out on some evolutionary necessity. Violence also tends to be spur of the moment, done with whatever implements we happen to find. Rocks, sticks, mounted singing Bass™, an unplanned murder doesn't follow a plan, and certainly leaves us with an incredible burden afterwards. We panic and freak out, rather than raise our wanted level and wait for some officers to bash our novelty fish item on.
A planned murder is something difference. Broken down, they fall mostly into Gangs, insane killers, and somewhat planned ones. We can do nothing about homicidal psychopaths but stop them. Gangs aren't motivated by, and certainly didn't start, because of video games. But killers who sort of plan their murders run the gamut. But while their actions can be influenced by games, as in, expecting to be able to run someone over and not damage their car, can we really determine if they are motivated by games? And if they are, are they simply pre-dispositioned to be vulnerable? I suppose you could say the same for rapists....
My mind fails me now, I can't articulate anymore. What is plainly in sight, however, the fact that there has already been a few generations of video gamers with no spike in massacres (Take into account the population growth here), as well as countless generations of erotic entertainment aficionados.
HoreTore
01-14-2010, 09:27
That's why they are not "rape fantasies", it is in fact fantasies of being owerpowered according to own desire; which is something completely different.
Yes, and Sylfest Lomheim wants us to say "totusenogti".
Not going to happen, Viking. Ever.
All I wanted was for posters to pause 2 seconds before submitting their contribution, and "read fantasize", imagine being the rape victim reading what I just wrote - do I still want to write it in just that way?
Were I decrying rape fantasies, this thread would have closed at page 1.
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Please carry on.
How do you want me to call exactly the same thing, if someone knows someone who was tortured to death then doesn't SM exist anymore? I think we explained it well enough and made an obvious destinction.
KukriKhan
01-14-2010, 13:51
...there has already been a few generations of video gamers with no spike in massacres (Take into account the population growth here), as well as countless generations of erotic entertainment aficionados.
A very good point. If we take away 1970's Pong, and start with the 1980's Mario Brothers, then by now we should expect to see hundreds of thousands of drooling, thumb-twitching, head-bashing age 40-something (and below) murderers, IF vid games had the deleterious effects predicted.
I'm old enough to remember the same predictions being made about: television, rock 'n roll, and comic books. And marijuana. And girlie magazines.
Scienter
01-14-2010, 15:03
I'm old enough to remember the same predictions being made about: television, rock 'n roll, and comic books. And marijuana. And girlie magazines.
Video games are the current Great Satan that corrupts our youth and turns them into mindless killers. When the next new media comes along, people will back off games and panic about it, instead.
I wonder if the poor video game graphics of the late 70's inspired this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pvrXhKySo) shooting. :thinking:
So, wich negative influence does porn exert - does it create rapists, or what? [to whoever]
KukriKhan
01-14-2010, 15:55
I wonder if the poor video game graphics of the late 70's inspired this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pvrXhKySo) shooting. :thinking:
So, wich negative influence does porn exert - does it create rapists, or what? [to whoever]
I guess it's the same negative influence cited by elders since at least Socrates: corruption of youth and subversion of culture.
I wonder if the poor video game graphics of the late 70's inspired this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pvrXhKySo) shooting. :thinking:
I blame property taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster).
“I'm old enough to remember the same predictions being made about: television, rock 'n roll, and comic books. And marijuana. And girlie magazines.”
And before, Tango…
Not suggesting that you are old enough to remember…
:beam:
A Very Super Market
01-14-2010, 19:46
I wonder if the poor video game graphics of the late 70's inspired this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pvrXhKySo) shooting. :thinking:
So, wich negative influence does porn exert - does it create rapists, or what? [to whoever]
A sociopath with a penchant for violence being given a rifle for her birthday? :idea2:
I blame property taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster).
Damn, beat me to it. :yes:
Scienter
01-14-2010, 21:35
A friend of mine posted about the game Bonetown (http://kotaku.com/5448208/sex-drugs-but-no-violence-a-porn-game-with-a-message)on his Facebook page. It's a game that features tons of sex and drugs, but no violence other than being able to knock someone out during combat. I didn't click on the NSFW links, but it's an amusing idea from a guy who thinks it's hypocritical that games contain lots of violence but avoid graphic sex and drug use.
A friend of mine posted about the game Bonetown (http://kotaku.com/5448208/sex-drugs-but-no-violence-a-porn-game-with-a-message)on his Facebook page. It's a game that features tons of sex and drugs, but no violence other than being able to knock someone out during combat. I didn't click on the NSFW links, but it's an amusing idea from a guy who thinks it's hypocritical that games contain lots of violence but avoid graphic sex and drug use.
I cringed at the name.
So, wich negative influence does porn exert - does it create rapists, or what? [to whoever]
Here (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article6990891.ece) is a rather lengthy opinion from the Times. It seems doom is near. :laugh4: (naturally, it is written by a feminist)
Skullheadhq
01-17-2010, 13:13
I remember one day I was walking to school, I was about 15, and I got talking to a girl who must have been about 18. I immediately said I wanted to grope her breasts. ”
For Jim, pornography “has destroyed my ability to have intimate relationships”.
But how can boys not see it?
“More like 100%,” he said. “It’s when you’re 13 and 14 that everyone starts looking and talking about it at school — before you’re having sex, you’re watching it.
This is so funny:sweatdrop:
I was a t work and this young woman asked me which of those men-magazines I would recommend her for some guy.
When I told her I don't "read" that kind of magazine, she didn't want to believe me.
Didn't help her though, it hardly helps to try and ignore the truth... :knight:
I could recommend some killergames though. :sweatdrop: :laugh4:
Skullheadhq
01-17-2010, 17:25
When I told her I don't "read" that kind of magazine
You don't "read" that kind of papers, you actually just enjoy the pictures.
Why buy those magazines when you can get it for free on the intertubes?
You don't "read" that kind of papers, you actually just enjoy the pictures.
Thus "read" and not read...
Why buy those magazines when you can get it for free on the intertubes?
Do you always gift things to others that they could get for free anyway? :inquisitive:
Do you always gift things to others that they could get for free anyway? :inquisitive:
What are you commenting about?
HoreTore
01-18-2010, 10:27
I was a t work and this young woman asked me which of those men-magazines I would recommend her for some guy.
When I told her I don't "read" that kind of magazine, she didn't want to believe me.
Didn't help her though, it hardly helps to try and ignore the truth... :knight:
I could recommend some killergames though. :sweatdrop: :laugh4:
A german who isn't into porn?
You're not fooling anyone, Husar.
Hugo Chavez also rags on videogames (http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/hugo-chavez-playstation-is-poison-664279)
Following the usual logic of "everything this guy says is wrong" I am once again forced to reach the conclusion that videogames are the most awesome thing ever!!!:2thumbsup:
P.S. - Ok...2nd most awesome thing ever after porn.
P.P.S. - Ok 3rd most awesome thing ever after strip clubs and porn
HoreTore
01-19-2010, 09:53
Hugo Chavez also rags on videogames (http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/hugo-chavez-playstation-is-poison-664279)
Following the usual logic of "everything this guy says is wrong" I am once again forced to reach the conclusion that videogames are the most awesome thing ever!!!:2thumbsup:
P.S. - Ok...2nd most awesome thing ever after porn.
P.P.S. - Ok 3rd most awesome thing ever after strip clubs and porn
Huh.
Chavez and the american christian right agrees with each other.
I am now officially freaked out.
UNITED AGAINST MORAL DECAY
The Wizard
01-19-2010, 16:46
"They once put my face on a game, 'you've got to find Chavez to kill him'."
Guy has a bigger ego than a rap artist
Skullheadhq
01-19-2010, 21:03
Never saw a game where you had to kill Chavez, got a link to the game?
EDIT: Ah, it's Mercenaries 2 I think...
In an amusing tanget to this discussion, this article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-10/top-5-reasons-porn-for-profit-is-dying/full/) cites video games as a cause for the current profit decline in the porn industry.
Gregoshi
01-20-2010, 23:30
In an amusing tanget to this discussion, this article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-10/top-5-reasons-porn-for-profit-is-dying/full/) cites video games as a cause for the current profit decline in the porn industry.
That's because with video games it is easier to upgrade your hardware... :clown:
a completely inoffensive name
01-20-2010, 23:49
Psshh....who watches porn anymore? When I need to fulfill my biological urge, I just play Mass Effect and talk to Ashley a lot.
Totally off-topic (well, perhaps less so considering the last few posts) but I feel quite proud a thread I was considering posting in the frontroom, and only didn't due to it's more adult nature, has actually generated enough serious discussion to reach 5 pages! Thank you for continually surprising me my fellow Orgah's :yes:
edyzmedieval
01-21-2010, 00:03
That's because with video games it is easier to upgrade your hardware... :clown:
Aaaaahhh Gregoshi :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
That should go as one of the best replies of the past 6 months.
HoreTore
01-21-2010, 09:32
Totally off-topic (well, perhaps less so considering the last few posts) but I feel quite proud a thread I was considering posting in the frontroom, and only didn't due to it's more adult nature, has actually generated enough serious discussion to reach 5 pages! Thank you for continually surprising me my fellow Orgah's :yes:
Find the EPIC FAIL in that statement.....:clown:
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