If you are holding the CWB...

[ELITEofGAZOZ]

Simple answer: NO

Let´s face it: We have only a 3 month history of the Clan War Belt. ELITE just managed to win vs the honourable Italian Clans Paladini and Luna Rossa. That´s not much and not the world. The diferent outcomes of all CWB competitions are not representative until now.

The question wether the title holder is really strong or not will be answered in the title games vs RTK and ELITE in the end of April.

The Round Table Knights are honourable and strong, impressed me in their games vs the MK Clan, and they have great chances to take the belt from us.

Furhtermore we have a sleeping giant in the competition: The old and mighty Kenchikuka Clan.

I think the holder of the belt before the release of the Rome Totalwar can maintain to be a really a strong Clan. And I hope we can encourage some of the great Clans outside the compeitition to join it: Celitbero and 7bears. Both Clans are very strong and honourable.

ELITE just fills a spot with holding the title at the moment, nothing more.

[Paolai]

Good luck Gaz for your quest http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Aleborg]

I agree it will be really nice if the clans u have called join also the CWB.

But in my modest opinion the real sleeping giant is Mizu clan... (well, also agree with Kenchis...) They have enter the CWC, i hope they also join the CWB.

Btw, hi Don http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Ale

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Rath]

Interesting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Personally i'm inclined to think that the holder of the cwb has the right to claim that they are the best, as at the moment there is no other way to measure it.

But it's healthy that the other clans competing think they are a chance at the belt too, not being resigned to dwell in the holders shadow...

[youssof_Toda]

We all have a different nr 1 clan in our mind. I don't think it's very constructive to think of ways to determine when you're able to say: "we are the best". I think attitude also counts besides battle skills.

To comfort you gaz, I think the CWB gives ur clan the status it deserves.

[Magyar Khan]

As the holder of the CWB u can claim being strongest clan Gazoz. Not many will disagree since we all know how important it is for u. Look at it as soccer. The dutch think of themselves being the wolrds best, but the current set of players are most of teh time to lazy to run. Money makes them fat.

Clans not entering the CWB can always keep the mystic aura of being strongest as well.

A clans strength is not only measured by the individual strengths only but also the combined effort. Large active clans have the advantage being able to train against their own members. Or look at Amp and Koc, the 2 communitiest strongest members but 99% of their time active outside MTW.

Keep up teh hard work and good luck.

[baz]

At the moment there are plenty of great clans out there and i think the gap between them all is only slight .. after watching a couple of the Elite vs Wolves replays i think this supported my thoughts. In both the battles that i watched the fight could have easily gone either way .. well done guys keep it up http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Alrowan]

well the ravens are new and fresh, yet we hope to take on the giants, and show what we are truly made of

[ELITEofFOGOLIN]

"GOOD LUCK and HAVE FUN Clan Raven"
How many people in your Clan ?

[Monsta]

Monsta has often said that for a long time most clans feared defeat more than they wished for victory...hence why so many avoided such a conflict as the CWB or the Campaigns.

Without a test a clan is able to feel superior...just look at most noobs who win 3 or 4 game as a clan.

Most of the older clans have now left their mark in some way or another....in tourneys..with mixed results througout the history of the game..Wolves have won many 1v1 tourneys etc and now we see Elite taking their rightful place in the number one spot of CWB.

Any clan who is willing to fight when their 'reputation' is a risk is in Monsta's eyes a champion.

Elite have the right to claim whatever they and the community feels they deserve.

Elite are setting a 'bench mark' at the moment that all the other clans should follow and try to achieve.

One aspect that is of great importance and demands respect is the fact that Elite are not recognised as individual players but as a TEAM...and more respect for this issue should be invested.

Good luck to all who brave the field of death.

[DthB4Dishonor]

Hail Combatants and Clans of CWB,

I would like to first say Thank You to the Wolves for bringing this lovely gift of CWB from the arid lands of Steppes. They saw the void in community and attempted to fill it. Also thanks to RageKrast for so selflessly being the backbone of CWB contributing his time and wisdom for the Clans of CWB.

I would also agree that Elite is currently the strongest clan. There excellent team work is well illustrated in there battles vs Paladino, LRossa and Wolves. In sports you might have 1 great player but rest of team are bad. Or you can have a group of great players that just dont blend well together. This is what makes CWB a Team or Clan competition and so tough for "new" clans to win.

It takes many games together for players to work well together so the longer more established clans have a distinct advantage.

Also great thing about team games is that 3 great 1v1 players can lose to 3 good 1v1 players in a 3v3 making Clan War Belt truly a clan competition requiring a selfless what ever is best for team attitude. And not the let me rack up my kills on these pavise or let me save my cav for later attitude.

I also would like to see the following mighty clans enter the fray:
Mizu's, 7Bear7's and Celtibero

RTKPaul

[Cheetah]

IMHO by defintion the holder is the strongest clan.

I agree with Paul, I would like to see the: Mizu's, 7bear's, Celtibero, Marechal and Ravens entering the competition. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Also, Kenchi and Fears could be more active http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Krasturak]

Quote[/b] (Wolf Monsta Cagan @ April 08 2003,11:21)]One aspect that is of great importance and demands respect is the fact that Elite are not recognised as individual players but as a TEAM...and more respect for this issue should be invested.
Gah

*agrees with Wolf*

Gah

[ErikJansen]

The Ravens perched on the gates of Rage Castle, and with our addition of picked-out-eyes to Krast's head soup we were admitted.

It is an honour for us to be able to test our skills in 1v1/2v2/3v3 battles vs the Great clans of MTW.

This vandalizing raven will take on anything without a seconds thought, and that's our strength. The flock needs growth but as we stand we are strong. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Regards,

[Alrowan]

well spoken Vandal. The Ravens have proven thier strength as individuals on thie field a lot, and our eagerness for the fight compells us as a team. Though we have but a handful of active members, i would trust each of them with my life on the battlefield, and couldnt ask for closer allies. One thing i believe clan Raven has is comraderie... how many hours we have wasted just chatting about the useless parts of life makes us not only a clan, but a community of friends, all drawn together with the same intrests, and as a result thats why im proud to be thier leader. Ravens do not worry for defeat, though it may grace us, we are never phased, as long as we gave it our best shot (even when 3 ravens faced 4 celtis... i have never seen such spirit from any clan)

[EvilTinksta]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif Well Tinky say's if someone think's they are best you will not change there stubben and senile head by giveing them a belt.
That might just make them say it more but it will not make them think they suck when they loose the belt.
Perhap's you are only saying this elite because when you loose it in the near future you do not want to be put down because you lost it?
Understandable nothing more annoying then listioning to someone brag about how they beat you....


also alrowan who did you get that quote from?
Maybe they should not insult any country till there country get's the intelligence to spell AUSTRALIA
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Swoosh So]

I think thers no doubt elite are in the top 3 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, In my opinion wolf elite and perhaps fear or another in no specific order because i believe all 3 of the clans are about equal in skill. I dont think any of those 3 clans could say they beat the other regularly and will find they have mixed results vs each other, one win here one loss there etc. I dont think well ever know who is the best and does it matter? the top clans know who each other are and this isent a league its a computer game for having fun.

So imho wolves elite fear the top 3 but there are new clans 'growing' rtk as already mentioned, I think strong personalities and identities can also help a clans status.

[Kansuke]

Hi All,

As a outside observer, I am in aggreement that Elite, at present can legitimatley claim to be the stongest Clan. Also agree with Gazoz that the test of time will be the true gauge of strength.

The CWB, will determine the strongest Clan over the next few months with Elite in pole position, therefore comments/thoughts such as these:


Quote[/b] ] think thers no doubt elite are in the top 3

are totally null and void, individual thoughts no longer enter the equation, the CWB is the validation to determine the stongest clan, the cream does eventually rise to the top
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


Kansuke.

[ELITEofFOGOLIN]

Gazoz
I agree with you but the reason for playing CWB is not to find out who is the best
That is not so important

Joining the CWB should be a matter of FUN for all of us.

I have much fun in training and organizing the competition with my Clan brothers and I have much fun in playing with other Clans and start new friendships. We improved our relations to LRossa and Paladini after the Games. This is the most important thing here. And I hope we can become new friends with RTK.

I rather give the belt back than destroying the fun of all of us in this competition.

So lets join the CWB no matter who is the best and just for having fun all

Ich nehme keine haftung für Rechschreibfehler oder sonstiges
Diese übersetzung ist made by Google http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Sorry for my very bad English

PS:.I miss also Marechal,7bear,Celtibero and Mizu

cu Marco

[DthB4Dishonor]

I agree with fogoloin its nice training with allies for battles and actually playing the battles. CWB makes the whole idea of being in a clan more fun. I also agree with Swoosh in that many top clans are very close in team skill. This is shown in the fact that with 4 title match's the belt has changed hands 3 times. Also with all the title match's the final 3v3 was the deciding factor with scores being almost even up to that point.

CWB adds a sense of urgency to training and excitment that makes game play more fun.

RTKPaul

[Vinsitor]

IMHO the owner of the belt is the strongest... 'till it lose it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I would to tnx Magyar (i just did it before http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif) for having made this exciting tournament, I think it's putting many clans in a very friendly atmosphere... sorry for my English http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (Kansuke @ April 09 2003,12:32)]Hi All,

As a outside observer, I am in aggreement that Elite, at present can legitimatley claim to be the stongest Clan. Also agree with Gazoz that the test of time will be the true gauge of strength.

The CWB, will determine the strongest Clan over the next few months with Elite in pole position, therefore comments/thoughts such as these:


Quote[/b] ] think thers no doubt elite are in the top 3

are totally null and void, individual thoughts no longer enter the equation, the CWB is the validation to determine the stongest clan, the cream does eventually rise to the top
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


Kansuke.
No kansuke, elite are at the moment the best clan war belt players but i dont think that qualifies them as the best clan, Did anyone say lrossa were the best clan when they won the belt? Elite are top 3 as are wolves and fear each clan could have sucess against the other at some time but it will be limited, After all this games not like shogun where ones skill could be measured very well, in mtw your either crap normal good or v good, the game doesent allow for master players as the combat is abit wacky and army selection will often beat most players if you get it right.

[Rath]

Lrossa deserved it when they won it, they are in the top 3 clans.

[Swoosh So]

Yes rath lrossa deserved to win the belt of course, but they are not in the top 3 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif the top 5 maybe.

[Rath]

heh u didnt even know they existed a month ago if i remember http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif, i'll stick to top 3 thx.

[Swoosh So]

My evaluation of a top clan is not just how fast u can move men out to flank, but overall contribution past and present to the totalwar online play, I just think my top three have been heavily involved and won more tournaments paricipated in more online campaigns and creating things like the war belt, And player for player i dont think theres a clan to claim they have stronger players. just my opinion.

[Rath]

If criteria is participation i'll point out that that Lrossa have been the most active clan for 2 years and were winning the last clan campaign (along with yours truly) before it was ended, and followed that up with a cwb win. So they have the runs on the board too. They also play with more honour than most - some great blokes.

They just go about their business with little fuss. If you pushed me i'd say top 2. Maybe they need a PR man.

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (Rath @ April 10 2003,12:08)]Maybe they need a PR man.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif lol

[Vinsitor]

LoL LoL LoL tnx Rath, tomorrow I'll send you the cheque I promised you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Ok there are two points of wiew, for example I mean like Rath that "top" is "best on the battlefield", because only that can be linked to the CWB in this topic I think.

In your point of wiew Kenchi can be a "top 3 clan" also because of their contribute to the ORG work then http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Magyar Khan]

well swoosh i got the impression rath is saying that fear isnt top 3 (anymore). fear suffers motivation lacks like we do but i am interested in a battle between nc-youssof-amp (sorry fucyu;)) vs 3 lrossa members.

but your analyse about the gamesystem is true. a nice thing about the combatsystem now is that its funny and close to "comical". vs good and very good players i noticed players type a lot of "lol" when in the late game the outcome goes back and forth between wins and losses.

we can only pray VI will bring more tactical options. in old shog horsearchers and archers could be a pain for the poorarmoured musks. now a h03A pavarbs are invulnerable vs arrows.
moving them to late era may result in combat rushes since why should u pay for arrows if u cant inflict enuf damage with them before the enemy reaches u. sigh.... the developers almost killed a nice game.

[Vinsitor]

I agree Magyar, but I think a good or strong player is the one that is able to "adapt" himself to the game stile.

Yes Medieval changed the "Total War stile", there are many things that need to be balanced, but strongest players are still the same and this isn't a chance IMHO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Paolai]

Well, I think everyone can have his personal clans ladder on his mind, isnt it? And I have mine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[LRossaLordJimi]

Well,thx Rath for the nice words,you are our best PR for sure http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
So i think also Swoosh say her own opinion,so i respect it,but i think we are speaking here about the strenght of entire clan,not the single players,and we speak about MTW,not the past of STW an MI.
We have to look at the entire clan,and not just on 2-3 best players inside.For this,i put Elite in the deserved place they are.
And if we look at official competition (just MTW),Fears didn't show to be in the first 3 place of clans-world,they are not much active in the last time.I hope so they will come back great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

About my clan,we show our skillness in Belt,in single tourney and in many battles unofficial,but we haven't the right consideration in the community.Maybe some players just didn't join our battle for say the place we deserved http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

I look with much attention to this Belt titlematch,because i think also RTK have a nice place in the top ladder,like the even bigger Kenchikuka,and of course Wolves are in the top also.
Just my personal opinion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Ave

[Aelwyn]

Quote[/b] (Magyar Khan @ April 10 2003,07:23)]we can only pray VI will bring more tactical options. in old shog horsearchers and archers could be a pain for the poorarmoured musks. now a h03A pavarbs are invulnerable vs arrows.
moving them to late era may result in combat rushes since why should u pay for arrows if u cant inflict enuf damage with them before the enemy reaches u. sigh.... the developers almost killed a nice game.
I was thinking the same thing. I figured people will just take Pav Crossbows now. But imo, the big difference between Pav Arbs and others is the range. Pav Arbs had not only more armour, but superior range, making them have almost no weakness versus strictly other missle units (in a missle battle, not melee). Why would anyone bring anything else if they're going to be outclassed and outgunned? At least with crossbows, you aren't completely disadvantaged if you have archers, they'll both fire from around the same distance. So this will open up the possibilities in what you can bring for missle units. You can now bring more Horse Archers. They won't be as effective against Pav. Crossbows, but they won't have to worry about staying as far back. And people will bring other units now, more people will experiment with other archers trying to find what they feel comfortable with. If people take normal Arbs, then they don't have a large shield to protect them from you sneaking a few H.A. to their flank and firing on them before they realize it.

I hope you're wrong, and it doesn't turn into a rush game, although I'm sure some will turn out that way. I imagine a lot more people will take the Turks a lot more often now though.

[ELITEofGAZOZ]

Quote[/b] ]Interesting Personally i'm inclined to think that the holder of the cwb has the right to claim that they are the best, as at the moment there is no other way to measure it.


Quote[/b] ]IMHO by defintion the holder is the strongest clan.

@Cheetah and Rath: Maybe later. It is too early to claim to be the top clan since the results of RTK and Kenchi games have no relations to our results. Therefore, we are like two groups in a tourney and it is just like play off´s have started. The fact, that we are holding the belt doesn´t say much. If you are holding the belt 3 or 4 month later it will be much more valuable. Furhtermore the value of the belt will rise if the Clans, which were all named in this thread, participate, too. Therefore our efforts should be urging them to join asap. Everyone here has relations to any of the members of Mizu, Celti, 7bears, Marechal etc. Let´s make a call for them alltogether, send mass e-mails to them and spam their forums till they give up and join http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Quote[/b] ]At the moment there are plenty of great clans out there and i think the gap between them all is only slight ..

@Baz: Very true. At least the final games were always very close. So a 2nd and 3rd place in the ranks is not bad at all.


Quote[/b] ]well the ravens are new and fresh, yet we hope to take on the giants, and show what we are truly made of

@Alrowan and Vandal: Good Luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Quote[/b] ]The CWB, will determine the strongest Clan over the next few months with Elite in pole position

@Kansuke: Nice to have an outside observer here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif, you are exactly expressing my thoughts.


Quote[/b] ]Joining the CWB should be a matter of FUN for all of us.

Wise words Fogo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[ELITEofGAZOZ]

Damn I forgot to post all the stuff in several posts, now I wasted the text just for one post. Maybe I will have my 500 posts with the release of Napoleonic Total War.

[LRossaRikimaru]

Rath like Jimi say , you are our best PR http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
I've read this post before you reply but i cant say :"LRossa is a great and old clan that deserve the podium" eh eh...you know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif . There are still many peeps that think we are not an active clan cause only 4/5 of us post at the org and Swoosh is a clear example of them (don't take it bad http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif ), every night (21,00gmt) you can see minimum 3/4 LRossa in the foyer , if you Play at Medieval you can't say "LRossa who are they http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif ???" as i can't ignore Marechal, Celtibero, Bear, Fear, Wolves , etc...
I try to explain my point of view but my lack of english brake and kill my explanation....so excuse me if you don't understand a things http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Bye all M8s, hope to improve relation with FF now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


LRossaRikimaru Principe di Carcano e Doge del Canavese.

[baz]

i just had a "lol" battle myself hehe, this is what most disapoints me about mtw, it is possible to win games when you did not deserve it, and vice versa of course http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Magyar Khan]

lets call them "lol" battles

i have one of them every 10 games i think (depends on enemy)

l.o.l stands for......???

laughable
overwhelming
logic

the nice thing about musk was the fearfactor. i dont know why i talk about it , it wont chance.

[Tempiic]

Quote[/b] (LRossaRikimaru @ April 11 2003,01:59)]Bye all M8s, hope to improve relation with FF now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Huh? What did you do now again to sour them? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[LRossaLordJimi]

Quote[/b] ]What did you do now again to sour them?
ahemmm... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Firulì firulà http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Tempiic]

Quote[/b] (LRossaLordJimi @ April 12 2003,10:22)]
Quote[/b] ]What did you do now again to sour them?
ahemmm... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Firulì firulà http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Where's my babelfish? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[LRossaLordJimi]

Quote[/b] ]Where's my babelfish?
Babelfish? Ehmmm...maybe was a sweet friend of tomatoes,lemons and olives in the easter's lunch http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Ave

[Tera]

It is IMPOSSIBLE at this time (there are several clans who more or less are on the same level) to define who is the strongest. Hence I personally think that the Belt Holder is at that particular time the clan who has the right to claim he is the 'strongest' in terms of collective power, organisation and activeness - because those are the qualities that are needed to win the Belt. If a particular clan has the strongest two players but the others being average - that clan won't be too successful. History won't help. Honourability and political influence neither - the CWB doesn't reward political efforts, and maybe THAT is the key to its success - the other MP clan campaigns just had too much fishy political intrigue which ruins everything in such a community where everyone knows each other. There is a slight difference between the major clans...the Belt is the official recognition of power...the holder is definetely a dang strong clan. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Defining 'strongest' is difficult..there are many factors involved...and the strongest today might not be the strongest tommorow. It's constantly changing week after week.

activeness
collective skill
individual skill
organisation
bond between members
political power (influence on community)
past history of clan
prestige
'image'
honourability

and so on...no clan is the strongest in all of them...at the moment.

Tera

[ELITEofGAZOZ]

wot is teralosophy?

the science about total war

[Tera]

Quote[/b] (ELITEofGAZOZ @ April 23 2003,13:43)]wot is teralosophy?

the science about total war
3 years of total war pay off http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Kocmoc]

the mainprob is ..... the luck deside about us and some very strange bonusses... so the skill got less important.


maybe its fun for some of u, but not for me...as i saw so often, that u won a battles than u lose at the end just coz ther comes 1 cav around and turn the whole game.....

we know al labout the probs but the most dont speak about, and if some average players like mizus tell me whast is the "truth" and what not i just can say, this game sux


i wish u lots of fun and take care, with this nice arcade game....


kocy a mage who believe in magic

[Magyar Khan]

Tera did sum it ip well. Maybe the title of most feared should be chanced into strongest.

Since the transition from stw/mi to mtw some vets (wolves included) got dissapointed by teh game mechanics. Instead of playing 20 games a day most of them play 20 games a week at max.

The CWB was created to counter boredom, and it did to some extent. In MTW elite showed themselves as organised and willingly to train their asses off with teh result of becoming the current holder.

---------------------------
Howl Kocy Mocy,

how is life in nwn without my great female ass bumping around? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The number of units adresses the creativity of people to search for the most cost effectiv unit and army. sadly teh manouvring gets more boring every day. I miss totomi tactical battles with my horsearchers. maybe thats why everyone loves this game now more since horsearchery are close to useless so most people do have a real chance to win a game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I play warcraft almost every night koc and got much better now i read the forums more often. will u buy the warcraft expansion?

[Kocmoc]

sure, as wc3 is the better arcade game as MTW is, i prefer to play this game

moving is useless in mtw and if u compare the old battles with the new ....its all about silly frontal attacks....tactics or maneuvers are near unknown here, so at least for me, it makes no sence to play mtw.

i cant call players who beats other in frontal rushs, as very skilled. there are many ways to win a battle, but i never tried to win it the current way. so yes, its very boring for me, and Yes, many less skileld player like it this way as the stupidst boy can win now

i admit it needs some work to find the weak points.

anyway, there are other games wich gives me more fun as this 2D arcade game wich just have moral what otehr dont have, this is the only difference ....but if the morals system sux such big time its a useless system.

u can easy see what player we have now, all the real good player are gone

anyway enjoy as long u can


koc

[Div Hunter]

All the good players are gone? that's a bit depressing I obviously came much too late to MTW online. I spent the better part of the weekend and spent more time mon/tues playing as well at different times during the day with many players. It was great fun in all eras and terrains win or loose. I think I'll play only online now it's so much more fun and actually a challenge.

I really don't understand how you can say that the tactics are gone from MTW so you go play wc3? what a joke there are no tactics, manouvering or anything in wc3 it's the same bollocks as all the other Dune spawn. Sure a bit of fun but no comparison to MTW or any of the total war series for that matter.

The 'stupidist boy' cannot win, I have seen the stupidist boy play (as my ally http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ) let's just say peasant generals and all archer army are a bad idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Magyar Khan]

well the good players hop in once in a while, getting kicked in wc3 all teh time is a bit depressing too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Brutal DLX]

C'mon, wc3 forces you to do a lot of things in similar fashion if you want to have a chance of winning. I do play fun games with my buddies, that's ok, but whenever we play the pros it's just the same old build plan, the same old army composition, the same old tactics. If you try smth. different, you'll lose in no time.

[Tempiic]

Main Reason I am not a big fan of WC3, C&C or similiar variants...

I got better things to do than to try to get an as high income per sec as possible... as well as being able to build as many units as possible in the shortest possible time. I used to follow an education for RA Accountant (magy knows what i mean) and now, I want to stay as far as possible from that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Ok i have to admit I do not justify WC3 complety with this since its designers have opted to do it a bit differenly fortunetly, but enough IMO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif