EB Online Wippien Experiment

[vartan]

Greetings handsome men and beautiful ladies of Europa Barbarorum. We are gathered today to discuss something of grand importance--Europa Barbarorum Online. "Madness!" you say? I say "certainly not!" for there is always a solution. This is our endeavor to find that solution...

As you may or may not know, to date, most EB 1.2 multiplayer battles have been played by way of Hamachi, the acclaimed and fairly easy-to-use VPN software. The problem with Hamachi, again, as you may or may not know, is that with a non-commercial (free) license, you may only have 16 members total (including yourself, the virtual network host). For this reason, there are far too many networks created by and for EB users to come together and play online. Most of us who wish to join those networks oftentimes find ourselves rejected with a "Network is full" notice. We need a solution.

Some quick research has shown myself, and others ( props to you Anti =] ), that there are alternatives to Hamachi--free as well. These are Tunngle, Wippien, and another that I may reveal later. If you read through the Tunngle thread here on EB forum, you will notice that many attempts have been made but to no avail, and this is quite unfortunate. Perhaps a future build will be compatible with Total War, but for the moment, all attempts have been futile.

This leaves us with Wippien (for now). I've set up my Wippien, and it essentially works like this:

Wippien works like an instant messenger (includes chat). You still get virtual IP as do Hamachi users. You sign in by using either your Gmail account (as I do) or any Jabber account that you are free to obtain if you haven't an account already. For those who have Gmail, do yourself a favour of convenience and sign in that way.

One final note. Because Wippien does not use networks but acts as an instant messenger, the only way any of us will know who is online and available to play EB is for every single person to have every other person on their list. For this reason I will create a list of accounts of people who have Wippien and EB installed, so reply below with your account names.

Thank you very much for reading and following this experiment, and most importantly, participating. Your efforts are appreciated and I hope with all sincerity will be rewarded by way of many fun and exciting EB battles. :beam:

Much thanks,
Vartan

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VIDEOS

Wippien for EB Online (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7jsYK297s)
EB Online - Addendum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygKiuBveOmg)

NOTE*** Not sure if this has been mentioned in the videos, but if you are installing Wippien, MAKE SURE NO OTHER VPN CLIENTS ARE INSTALLED. THIS MEANS UNINSTALLING HAMACHI, TUNNGLE, AND SO ON. TO STAY CONSISTENT, ONLY HAVE WIPPIEN INSTALLED AND UTILIZE THE METRIC RATING OF 1500. WATCH THE VIDEOS TO SEE WHAT I MEAN.

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PLAYERS
ID followed by (forum username)

vartanhaghverdi [at] gmail [dot] com (vartan)
gamegeek2 [at] gmail [dot] com (gamegeek2)
seraph64 (alexanderthegreater)
sthenige1 [at] gmail [dot] com (WinsingtonIII)
scattered [at] wippien [dot] com (Scattered)
vasiliyieb [at] gmail [dot] com (Vasiliyi)

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**As anti-spam measure I'll be using bracket notation for account names.
**Account names are posted in the order they were posted as a means of making sure we all have each other added.
**If this means that a new user later on will have to add thirty people, then so be it. In fact, the more the merrier. As of this writing, we are barely trying to get EB Online moving. Let's do this guys.
**Feel free to rename Wippien user ID's with forum usernames in order to facilitate correspondence.

[antisocialmunky]

So you've successfully got this running?

[vartan]

So you've successfully got this running?

Yes. In fact, I'm thinking of making an instructional video (as this would be the greatest help, in my opinion). For an idea of what to expect, check out my video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCuZGr1F7xU) on installing another mod for RTW. Don't be afraid to watch it in 720p High-Def--the vid is only 27MB large. Like I said, I'm signed on with my Gmail account, but you can get a free Jabber account if you don't have a Gmail account (as Jabber is what is mainly used for Wippien).

[gamegeek2]

Allright, I've installed the thing.

gamegeek2 [at] gmail [dot] com

[antisocialmunky]

go for it :)

[WinsingtonIII]

I've always been too afraid to play online, because frankly I'm sure that my first EB battles against a human opponent will be quite embarrassing. However, I think I'm going to man up and do it this time. I'm not on my comp right now though, so I'll install tomorrow instead.

[vartan]

go for it :)

Hop on board my friend.


I've always been too afraid to play online, because frankly I'm sure that my first EB battles against a human opponent will be quite embarrassing. However, I think I'm going to man up and do it this time. I'm not on my comp right now though, so I'll install tomorrow instead.

For anybody else feeling the same, don't. Why? 'cause I ******* said so!! :furious3:

Just kidding. But seriously, don't break a sweat. Anti has crushed me so many times, I'll admit it. His Baktria is unlike any other. The guys got skill, he deserves the credit. Tsidneku is great too, where the heck are you man? People, word of mouth is key here. Let's make sure this thing works out!

[Jebivjetar]

I'll join you in a week or two, maybe three. As soon as i finish my last exam at university (:yes:), I'll play like mad and beat you all!! :whip:

[antisocialmunky]

Nah I kinda suck now, people like JinandJuice can outplay me in cavalry and CelticViking is better at the barbarian zerg. And IrishHitman can rage better.

[alexanderthegreater]

Greetings handsome men and beautiful ladies of Europa Barbarorum. We are gathered today to discuss something of grand importance--Europa Barbarorum Online. "Madness!" you say? I say "certainly not!"

I expected you to say something else....

Good idea though ill download it right away.

EDIT: ive made an account "seraph64"

[vartan]

Nah I kinda suck now, people like JinandJuice can outplay me in cavalry and CelticViking is better at the barbarian zerg. And IrishHitman can rage better.

JinandJuice cannot outplay me in cavalry :laugh4: Maybe he can who knows. Mark's a strong player, he got 1st place after all. MEGAS JINANDJUICE!!!


I expected you to say something else....

Good idea though ill download it right away.

EDIT: ive made an account "seraph64"

I wouldn't do the Sparta thing, I'm almost 20. I have never had to add someone with a JID before so I assume that under Add/Remove Contacts where it says JID, if I enter in "seraph64" without quotes and leave the dropdown box as <Jabber> it should be fine. So folks, if you're adding JIDs, just enter the ID, don't mess with the protocol drop down box. :beam:

[WinsingtonIII]

Alright, so I've got it installed. I am using my gmail, so the name is entirely unrelated to my guild name.

Here it is:

sthenige1 [at] gmail [dot] com

My internet at home has been acting weird, so I may be forced to go to the campus library to play, which means that I may have to plan ahead with people for matches, unfortunately.

Just out of curiosity, how much money do you guys usually play with? Is it like 40000 mnai like the tournaments seem to be? I've been wanting to test out some builds, but I'm not sure how much money I should allow myself.

[vartan]

Alright, so I've got it installed. I am using my gmail, so the name is entirely unrelated to my guild name.

Here it is:

sthenige1 [at] gmail [dot] com

My internet at home has been acting weird, so I may be forced to go to the campus library to play, which means that I may have to plan ahead with people for matches, unfortunately.

Just out of curiosity, how much money do you guys usually play with? Is it like 40000 mnai like the tournaments seem to be? I've been wanting to test out some builds, but I'm not sure how much money I should allow myself.

The guys have come up with many fancy and great ideas, but I like to be traditionalist and stick to what's always worked best. 36k, and traditional rules. Ask Anti about what we did in July '09. He'll bring it back to the front page. I highly recommend those rules, they weren't too bad. But remember, this isn't a tournament we're talking about, so I say play reasonably, play fair, play nice, don't play rough, have etiquette, and think before you act or speak inappropriately. There should always be exhibition matches, and the only tournament/official matches that would have rules (other than the ones y'all make amongst your individual games) would be posted and made clear. I have plans on making it even more convenient for those who wish to play (read: not having to make threads for every tournament, but having a central location, hub...site).

[WinsingtonIII]

Yeah, I mean, I prefer to have somewhat historically accurate builds in the first place, so I won't be loading up on elites or anything. I just was curious about how much money I should be trying to work with. Thanks for letting me know, I'll start working on some 36k builds and maybe this weekend I'll play some games.

[vartan]

Yeah, I mean, I prefer to have somewhat historically accurate builds in the first place, so I won't be loading up on elites or anything. I just was curious about how much money I should be trying to work with. Thanks for letting me know, I'll start working on some 36k builds and maybe this weekend I'll play some games.

No problem. As far as I can remember, 40k was too much, and 35k wasn't enough for Mak, so 36k was some sort of compromise of a sweet spot, if you will. Anti's idea, blame him. :laugh4: <3

If you actually made several builds for your favourite faction(s), even more than one, say, against barbarian nations, Rome, etc., it would facilitate game initiation times as you'd just load your preset. :yes:

[antisocialmunky]

Those rules were really really complicated especially the 2nd revision. Anyway. Congrats guys.

[vartan]

Those rules were really really complicated especially the 2nd revision. Anyway. Congrats guys.

We still haven't had one successful game and the only people tested so far are Scattered and I, and we've always had problems of our own, lol. I was referring to revision 1 by the way, I never liked 2. No matter, we'll need a whole new set anyway, I'll start work right away! :idea2:

[Skullheadhq]

If we test the commercial version for 30 days, can't we quickly make a 256 player hamachi server and then just return to the free version after the trial has expired?

[vartan]

If we test the commercial version for 30 days, can't we quickly make a 256 player hamachi server and then just return to the free version after the trial has expired?

Nope. The company isn't stupid. I wish there was a way to have TCP/IP connection or modify the Gamespy server so that it could redirect to our own servers, if one was set up. For now, I'm awaiting any two players (besides Scattered and I) to create a successful connection. You'll be the pioneers. Scattered has some sort of problem on his end, and I'm running off what I believe is a subnetwork of my school network. Difference: I've played many before, including Scattered, but Scattered and I are having troubles now. You need to make some success.

[Vasiliyi]

Installing Wippien now.

email is

vasiliyieb [at] gmail [dot] com

[vartan]

Success stories wanted!

[Vasiliyi]

im available to test right now, if anyone wants to give it a try.

[Jebivjetar]

Sorry for OT.
I just want to say that in a few minutes I'll join Hamachi, so if someone wants to play, join now (Vasiliyi :winkwink:)

[Vasiliyi]

what network will you be using

[Jebivjetar]

Ok, i'm not on Hamachi anymore because i've just installed Whippien, so we can try this thing. My account:

(deleted on edit)

I'll add you now.

EDIT:

I'm out of this, and continuing with Hamachi.

For all who still use Hamachi: network "Indonesia EB" (pass: "EB" or (or "eb")) works.

[gamegeek2]

Frankly, I think we should make our own set of rules. I just hope they don't screw over my beloved Saka :-)

If you want to stick with traditional rules, link up noobs like me so I can have a look at them :D

[vartan]

Read OP. This isn't about Hamachi, and rules are on a game-to-game player-with-player basis, except for "tournaments". I didn't see you'd posted here Vas (saw it after I replied to your message). In any case, don't go berserk and warcry on this thread, it's meant to test software with detailed instructions. I bothered making a video, and had it been a few days later I wouldn't, for some reasons I don't like to discuss right now. There are plenty of users signed up with wippien as you can see on the list. If and when you see another online, try the game. If all try with no success, we can move forward to plan C (TBA).

[Vasiliyi]

Looking for a match-up. Pm me if you are available

[vartan]

Looking for a match-up. Pm me if you are available
What hours are you free starting from Wednesday onwards? (Time zone?)

P.S. I've noticed that most VPN clients do not transceive UDP packets, which are needed for RTW and hence, EB, multiplayer. Hamachi is one that does. Tunngle and Wippien do as well...but no reported success with RTW yet.

[JinandJuice]

Hey guys! It's good to hear from a couple of familiar usernames again! I'm itching to get some online action, and since NOBODY IS EVER ON HAMACHI, I figured I'm probably getting old school. Vartan, first, kudos for setting this up, but is this thing stable yet? If you wanted some help with testing I'd be glad to help. btw what was wrong with hamachi again?

WinsingtonIII, don't be reluctant. I remember my first online experience (against mountaingoat I think), and I was shitting bricks. The dude had quite an...eccentric formation.

ASM, just because someone's "better" than you doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't still play. Besides, all this Romani roleplaying has made me rusty as well. I recall many battles we had which had me sweat bullets. Good times.

But yeah, I'd like to see you guys on the battlefield sometime. Hooah.

[WinsingtonIII]

WinsingtonIII, don't be reluctant. I remember my first online experience (against mountaingoat I think), and I was shitting bricks. The dude had quite an...eccentric formation.


Haha yeah, it's just strange to play against a real person after getting so used to the crappy AI. I'm not really reluctant anymore, in fact I really do want to play, however I have been very busy so I haven't really been able to. Vartan and I did try many a time earlier this week, but we had no success with Wippein. Of course, other users should still try, as it may work for some (that's what I'm hoping at least).

[vartan]

Haha yeah, it's just strange to play against a real person after getting so used to the crappy AI. I'm not really reluctant anymore, in fact I really do want to play, however I have been very busy so I haven't really been able to. Vartan and I did try many a time earlier this week, but we had no success with Wippein. Of course, other users should still try, as it may work for some (that's what I'm hoping at least).
Mark, you should try Wippien with the people on the list in OP. Try with Wins, it might work, you never know. Wins and I tried yet another program but as I mentioned, only Hamachi, Wippien, and Tunngle xfer UDP packs and that's what RTW requires. Now, I go back to research!

[antisocialmunky]

Cool, so I take it that it actually works?!?

[vartan]

Cool, so I take it that it actually works?!?
Nobody has reported failure or success (other than the failure I personally went through, but that's due to my net most likely).
Why don't you try with people on the list?

[David_VI]

I wonder if trying Wippien will be worthwhile as Hamachi failed for me with regards to EB... worth a try?

[vartan]

I wonder if trying Wippien will be worthwhile as Hamachi failed for me with regards to EB... worth a try?
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try."
-- Jedi Master Yoda

This is, I believe, one of the most critical quotes of all time. Truth just oozes out of Master Yoda. You won't get anywhere unless you strive. Aim longer and harder, so that you may at least achieve some success instead of none. Go for it David. When was anything not worth a shot? AFAIK you only live once.