The Aedui gave me a heart attack

[anubis88]

Why?
In my current Romani campaign, i have the most problems (as always) with stack after stack of Sweboz armies, which come over the alps every year.
So i created an veteran army, with a 6 star general, and all silver chevroned triari, principes and hastati (the only army i ever retrain) that i could use in auto-calc to somewhat stop the Sweboz, so i could focus on Iberia and Greece.

And then the Sweboz came AGAIN, now with 3 full stacks, and the besieged Mediolanum with two. I sent my army over there, with my 55 year old ex consul, and i hoped i would attack them next turn (it was winter). I wasn't sure if i would defeat them, but i hoped i will, and started training another army.

And what happened? during the AI turn, the Aedui, allies of the Sweboz, bribed my general!!! I was shocked! I couldn't breathe at first, trying to find where my army went, and i saw my general there.
I know there are some birbable generals, but god damn! the guy was a Consul a while ago for Chirst sake! 3000 veteran men were lost in an instant. Mediolanum fell, even though i had a full army guarding it, the urodusios and wogozez scared the crap out of my army, and even though i killed 3000 of them, they got like 2500 back after the battle.


Now i really don't know if i'm gonna continue the campaign. Patavium is besieged, at the gates of Bononia ther's the Sweboz king's army, and the whole Po valley looks like Sweboz's homeland. Meanwhile i'm trying to go all historical and ready to conquer Greece... Damn Aedui... I will never feel such a satisfaction as when i will destroy those bastards.

Did this ever happen to any of you? That the AI did something this SMART, to really ruin your will to play? I was completly unprepared for this, and now i dunno how i will manage to secure my homeland. I mean it will take 24 hours of manuall battles to regain my lost territory!

[Cute Wolf]

One real thing.... Never ever trust DISLOYAL family members to lead strategic army, unless he is your leader, or Heir :grin:

oh yeah, you should beware, because not ended in settlements for too long can propagate disloyal traits (reduce their bribe value), better shuttle your general for a while if you position them into strategic chokepoints. And in some case, captains will be better (because they don't suffer triggered penalty)

on the joking side: Maybe you should check his genetics, and just don't be surprised if those particular Romaioi are actually half-Celt bastard....

[Mulceber]

My advice: reload, starting a couple turns before and assassinate the Aedui diplomat. -M

[-Praetor-]

My advice: reload, starting a couple turns before and assassinate the Aedui diplomat. -M

Pussy.

Imagine these are the cimbrian migrations 100 years early. So build up a nice stack and start kicking them out of the po valley, lest it be called Lombardy.

I envy you. That must be a pretty darn fun game to play

[anubis88]

Pussy.

Imagine these are the cimbrian migrations 100 years early. So build up a nice stack and start kicking them out of the po valley, lest it be called Lombardy.

I envy you. That must be a pretty darn fun game to play

I wish it would be fun. I mean it is, but i really wanted to prepare to attack the wanna be Macedonia Kingdom of Epeiros, but i was halted. I also make only 10k per turn, so i really don't have that much money. And the Sweboz are real monsters in my game, and ofcourse, i'm their only enemy. I will really need to have a long think what to do. Almost half of my army is in Spain, while i almost lost the entire other half due to that bribe and subsequent fall of Mediolanum. So it will be really though to fight the Sweboz. They are also the only ones who ever gave me a crushing defeat my last campaign, so i'm not really confident :)

I also lost 2 of the 3 great generals of the Republic, the third one being Scipio Africanus from my other thread, however he's in Spain besieging Velika ( i want to raid as many Lusotanan towns i can to stop them from being a real threat). I really hope to be able to attack Greece before 168 BC :D

[Mulceber]

Pussy.

Imagine these are the cimbrian migrations 100 years early. So build up a nice stack and start kicking them out of the po valley, lest it be called Lombardy.

I envy you. That must be a pretty darn fun game to play

I didn't say that's what he necessarily has to do - it probably isn't what I'd do - but if it's causing him to nearly faint, then the game isn't fun anymore. Hence, if it's that important to him, I don't think there's anything wrong with reloading. No need to be an ass about it either. -M

[anubis88]

I didn't say that's what he necessarily has to do - it probably isn't what I'd do - but if it's causing him to nearly faint, then the game isn't fun anymore. Hence, if it's that important to him, I don't think there's anything wrong with reloading. No need to be an ass about it either. -M

I doubt Pretor ment any disrespect to you.

I didn't nearly faint:D, it's just i had no idea what's going on for about 10 seconds, for such an army to be bribed it was the last thing i would think of

[Mulceber]

Yeah, guess I might have taken it a little too seriously. Hmm...at any rate, I'd recommend continuing on with that campaign - it'll be a tough fight, but think how awesome it'll be if you succeed. -M

[-Praetor-]

Sorry about that, didn't meant you take the 'pussy' bit seriously :grin:

Sometimes I forget using smileys.

[Subotan]

Right, because the Romans won every single battle they ever fought. I bet Aemilius Paulus and Varro would have loved to have an autosave :rolleyes:

[Knight of Ne]

Right, because the Romans won every single battle they ever fought. I bet Aemilius Paulus and Varro would have loved to have an autosave :rolleyes:

Maybe they did have an autosave feature.:laugh4:

I never use FM's as generals because of the whole loyalty traits thing. Bribing is also the reason why i have no less than 3 legions supporting each other at one time. Having two others ready comes really handy if one is lost to bribery or pesky barbarians.:yes:

Still your game sounds really fun, stick with the campaign, you may come back from your current situation stronger than ever.

Ne

[seienchin]

Wow. Never saw anything like that...^^
On the other hand bribing a 2 unit rebel stack costs around 10.000mnai, most family members around 40.000. Cant imagine how much the aedui payed to bribe your army

[anubis88]

Wow. Never saw anything like that...^^
On the other hand bribing a 2 unit rebel stack costs around 10.000mnai, most family members around 40.000. Cant imagine how much the aedui payed to bribe your army

Well, in my last Parthian campaign, i bribed a Seleucid 7 star general with half a stack of gold chevroned units for 25.000 mnai IIRC. He did however have almost all possible disloayality traits.
It's my fault i didn't pay any attention to my general. It just never happened to me that such an army was bribed

[-Praetor-]

Try making them go on a campaign with a diplomat, a spy and an assassin to avoid this mischief in the future. It would be historical, generals had their own retinue of agents to do their dirty work on the field.

[Subotan]

I never use FM's as generals because of the whole loyalty traits thing.
EB isn't meant to be played like that.

[vartan]

I envy OP also =] lucky dude! I only see my (Hai) reinforcements being bribed by Seleukid diplomats, but never my royal armies.

[WinsingtonIII]

I wish it would be fun. I mean it is, but i really wanted to prepare to attack the wanna be Macedonia Kingdom of Epeiros, but i was halted. I also make only 10k per turn, so i really don't have that much money. And the Sweboz are real monsters in my game, and ofcourse, i'm their only enemy. I will really need to have a long think what to do. Almost half of my army is in Spain, while i almost lost the entire other half due to that bribe and subsequent fall of Mediolanum. So it will be really though to fight the Sweboz. They are also the only ones who ever gave me a crushing defeat my last campaign, so i'm not really confident :)

I also lost 2 of the 3 great generals of the Republic, the third one being Scipio Africanus from my other thread, however he's in Spain besieging Velika ( i want to raid as many Lusotanan towns i can to stop them from being a real threat). I really hope to be able to attack Greece before 168 BC :D


If the Sweboz are focusing solely on destroying you, it may be time to bite the bullet and withdraw from Iberia. I'm not sure exactly how dire the situation is, but losing Iberia is far less distrastrous than losing the Italic heartlands. Keep in mind that though you may have to deal with a powerful Lusotania in the long term, they may be able to help you in the short term by attacking the Gallic allies of the Sweboz if they get the chance to expand out of Iberia. Plus, it sounds like you're going to need that Iberian army to defend your homelands. To gain some short term spending money, destroy the buildings in your Iberian holdings before pulling out. Then with the combined force of your returned Iberian army and a new army hired with the money gained from sacking Iberia, you may be able to halt and reverse the advance of the Sweboz. Of course, this is a pretty drastic action that could backfire horribly, but from the sounds of it, you might need to scramble some troops and this seems to be an effective way of doing it.

From a historical perspective, this may just have to be one of those instances where you are forced to create an alternate history. I mean surely if the Romans had been faced with rampaging hordes of Germans sweeping over the alps and towards Rome (at this point in time), they would have realized the necessity of pulling back forces from overseas to deal with the threat.

[anubis88]

Thankfully i managed to stabilize the positon. I did not move my army from Iberia, on the contrary i decided to destroy the Lusotanna. Scipio Hispanesis is on his march to Oxtraca, the last Stronghold of this mighty foe. I pillaged their northern cities, destroyed everything, and then gave them to my allies the Arverni. I also did a Punic war manouver and like Rome IRL on it's knees started to interfere with the afairs of greece. The coastal cities were poorly defended and i conquered and raided Korinthos, Dyrrachum, and Thermon so i got like 100k just from raiding. Also i noticed the Island of Lesbos was still Eleutheroi but without any garrison at all, so i just conquered it with my army in the Peloponese and made it a client kingdom.

The Sweboz were repulsed at last. They attacked my new army ( i didn't even manage to get any cavalry in ) and i wiped out 2 of their strongest armies, more then 5000 men in total practicly without loses. I got Mediolanum back, i'm just about to build new forts in the Alpine passes, my cash balance was never so good, the Lusotana are on the verge of extintcion, Mytilene look like a great ally, and since KH has only Pergamon left it will be quite historical having them as allies.

A question. Should i wipe out Lusotana, or make them my protectorates through FD?

P.S. I found in Iberia in a fort my general Catilina, who was the second in command in iberia at the age 60 by now. He had the prospective triumpahotor trait. So i shipped him to Rome. He celebrated his triumphus in autumn, and died in the winter. Rest in peace dear Senator:)

[Mulceber]

Destroy.

[Poulp']

Forts in the Alps won't be enough; they'll keep coming.

Last time I dealt with Sweboz, I raised an army who march through Mediolanum, Aventicos, Vindelicoppidos. I sacked the settlements, destroyed most of the buildings (except gallic MIC), I then made peace with the Arveni, gave them Aventicos and Vindelicoppidos through FD and allied with the Aedui.
My legion barely made it back through Rheatia; spliting my forces into two groups and throwing my mercenaries at Sartres while my glorious legionnaries split past unnoticed... Good times.

It's been 30 years now, I managed to stabilize the front; Aedui are neutral to me and Arveni, at war with Sweboz over Belgium, Arveni are occasionally sending a stack at me, but are otherwise too busy with the Sweboz. I might have to fund the Getai a bit since they seem heading towards Eburonum.

[vartan]

RIP Catilina

[ARCHIPPOS]

Frankly i think the Republic must make an example of that traitorous dog. He should be instantly put to death not in battle but by political assassination (deserving of an enemy of the state).And following his demise his name must never be spoken again...:yes:

[anubis88]

Frankly i think the Republic must make an example of that traitorous dog. He should be instantly put to death not in battle but by political assassination (deserving of an enemy of the state).And following his demise his name must never be spoken again...:yes:

Didn't i mention this?:) I assasineted him the same turn he turned to the Haedui. The probablility of his death was 95%, even though my assasin had only like 3 subterfuge or sth. He must've really been hated in the EB world

[Mulceber]

:applause::applause::applause: -M

[Arutima]

Make 6-7 legions, invade germany proper , crush the sweboz hordes, win the game

[anubis88]

Make 6-7 legions, invade germany proper , crush the sweboz hordes, win the game

That's exactly the opposite of what i'm trying to do :)

[Skullheadhq]

Pics or it didn't happen!