View Full Version : Mini Mafia Game An Unlikely Pair [Concluded]
You’ve come across some very interesting information regarding a high-stakes job that needs to be pulled. Very little is being said about the job, in fact, nothing is being said at all. Word of the job is very tight, as if the employer doesn’t wish it to be known. The job will take a minimum of three weeks and you’ll be paid for your time and you earn 10% of the take.
Players:
Diamondeye
CCRunner
atheotes
Subotan
Secura
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar - Captured by the City Guard!
Diamondeye
02-07-2010, 19:25
Intrigued by the looks of this.
CCRunner
02-07-2010, 20:46
Never seen you host before Methos
I'm IN
though you may want to include some more information about the game...
Stildawn
02-07-2010, 21:17
What is this one?
If its Mafia then no thanks but if its something else then Im keen...
Myrddraal
02-07-2010, 21:25
All 'players' will receive a pm detailing where to meet and asking for bank account details so that he can transfer the 10% to your account.
Diamondeye
02-07-2010, 21:49
Haha, no, I believe Methos meant this as a "Small Mafia Game", but he has yet to learn his wings on this forum.
Methos, could you post a confirmation of this as well as some description of the game?
Also you might want to edit/have a mod edit in the "small mafia game" tag...
Yes, its a mafia style game with seven players. Sorry, my mistake. I intend for the first game post to be more informative. It's true that I've never hosted. I'm starting small to get my feet wet and will work up from there.
Haha, no, I believe Methos meant this as a "Small Mafia Game", but he has yet to learn his wings on this forum.
Methos, could you post a confirmation of this as well as some description of the game?
Also you might want to edit/have a mod edit in the "small mafia game" tag...
It is actually mini-mafia game, not small-mafia game.
Diamondeye
02-07-2010, 22:34
It is actually mini-mafia game, not small-mafia game.
Correct. I was almost sure I used the wrong word...
Yes ... this is a 7 player game, right?
Small games needs to be put in the queue with the other small games (8-17) players. Mini mafia is the correct term for this game.
I have added a "Mini Mafia Game" tag as you requested Methos.
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2010, 07:42
Bump.
Hey fellas, it's a 7 person mini mafia. There's gotta be interest in this. The worst you can do is seventh place! Isn't that worth signing up for?
atheotes
02-09-2010, 15:47
Count me in :bow:
Diamondeye
02-09-2010, 17:07
Methos, you have only six spots marked in the Players section...
Perhaps make the "players" line stand out with a B, U tag.
Hi Methos!
Will be glad to do my part in helping you get your training wheels off, so to speak. Count me in!
Askthepizzaguy
02-09-2010, 20:27
....And MY Axe!!!
(In)
We're still one person short. Assuming someone signs up, I'll start this first thing tomorrow morning. Character roles will be random and the opening post will be more informative.
Come on, one more signup so we can get this game off the ground!
We have cookies! :3
I am going to expect your cookies from you now, Secura.
In.
Excellent! I'm just getting ready to go to bed, so I'll start this in the morning. Just curious, since this is a mini-game, am I supposed to create a game thread, or do we just play the game in this thread?
CCRunner
02-11-2010, 07:33
Just play it in this thread. I'm pretty sure that's the procedure at least
I am going to expect your cookies from you now, Secura.
In.
My cookies bring all the townies (and mafia) to the yard...
When this gathering of thieves first came together several weeks ago you were informed to keep all details about yourselves private. You were given an alias and no mention of where you were from was allowed. You were to know only what mattered for the job and nothing else. At first you found this to be rather odd. After all, you were thieves, this was second nature. Yet you quickly learned why. The city of Torn was controlled by an accomplished thief, known only as The Master. He has controlled all criminal aspects of Torn for over a decade and every outsider knows not to pull a job in the city of Torn without his approval. Yet, that's exactly what this job was. You now knew why such delicate care had been taken to get thieves from outside of Torn and to make sure that none of you knew each other. You were doing the unimaginable and pulling a job underneath the very nose of the Master himself! The risks were great, but the rewards were even greater!
The job started off too good. Everything was going to plan, perfectly and this had everyone worried. There was always some sort of problem, yet this job had none. You had managed to sneak past all of the guards with ease, disable every trap and alarm, both magical and mundane, in record time. You had the loot in hand and were just turning to leave when you all heard something skid across the floor. As you glanced down you notice it was an alchemical flash bag. You reflexively turn away as the alchemical mixture detonates, shattering nearby windows and throwing many of you to the floor! As the lot of you are recalling the emergency escape plan, you come to the realization that the alchemical flash bag had come from someone within this gathering of thieves!
#
There will be both a day and a night phase, though that doesn’t necessarily mean its that time of day. Night phase is merely what is being done behind the scenes where the rest of you can’t see what is going on. You may still talk during the night phase, since your group will still be attempting to escape.
Role PMs will be going out shortly. Let the game begin...
I've sent out the role PMs. Every player should have received a PM. If you didn't receive one, please let me know. Also let me know if you have any questions. Thanks and enjoy!
We're currently in 'Night Phase' then? :3
Yes, it's currently the night phase. The update will be at noon tomorrow, central time. It's currently 11:44 am my time.
Morning Update
After the detonation of the alchemical flash bag, you all knew you were in serious trouble. The explosion was deafening and add to that the sound of shattering glass, you knew the city guards would be arriving any moment. There was a sewer access located in the basement, but it would require you to flee towards the far side of the building first. Moving as quickly and silently as possible, you head towards the sewer access. As you pass one of the outer walls you notice an exterior door that wasn’t mentioned when this escape plan was first discussed. What’s even more worrisome, is the door is partially ajar. Turning quickly, you head straight for the basement stairs, your every sense now alert for whomever had joined you.
The commotion in the courtyard was now very obvious and you could tell that the city guard was quickly building up in force. You needed to get out of here and quickly! As you rounded the final bend near the stairs there was a second flash and you all became temporarily blinded. Blades came to hand from unseen pockets with almost immediate reaction and the sound of steel on steel was easily apparent. Luckily, the guards had been too eager and the effects of the flash had gotten some of the guards as well. The guards were no fools, they knew they were at a disadvantage in these tight corners and we’re hesitant to advance without help.
In the brief hesitation of the guards, Diamondeye noticed the large mirror upon the wall and with a quick leap and deft hand, Diamondeye brought the mirror crashing down between the guards and yourselves. You all break out into an all out run towards the basement, quickly moving down the stairs and reaching the room with the sewer access, only to find that it isn’t there. After locking and barring the door, you all begin to spread out, searching the room for the access. You quickly came to the conclusion that the owners of the building had laid a false floor to conceal the access. You all began removing the false floor as fast as possible, as the guards arrived at the door. False flooring was flying everywhere as you searched for the access, while on the other side of the door you could hear the guards demanding that someone grab something that could be used as a battering ram, while another guard began slamming his shoulder into the door. Just as Secura hollered out he’d located the access door, the guards broke the door down. It was at this point that the honor of thieves, or lack of it, was all too apparent. None cared about those around them, it was an all for yourself. Some drew blades, some dove for the sewer access. Though Beskar was a thief, he was also exceptional with a blade. Only two guards had entered the room and one of them appeared to be the one who broke the door down, as his momentum caused him to fall prone of the floor. Beskar’s blade came out of nowhere and the standing guard came to the realization that his bowels had been opened up and his innards were falling out. He fell backward into the doorway, blocking the other guards from entering. It was a perfect maneuver and one that would give the thieves all the time they needed to escape. As Beskar began to turn back towards the sewer access a small throwing dagger struck him just behind the knee, bringing him to the ground. The pain was intense and for a moment he was dazed. The prone guard quickly grabbed Beskar and with his guantlet he struck Beskar upon the head, turning his dazed look to that of someone who was unconscience. The rest of you didn’t wait around to see what happened next, you dropped into the sewers leaving Beskar to his fate.
Beskar was a common thief and had been captured by the City Guards!
It is now the day phase. Tomorrow I’ll be out of town during the update, so it’ll be several hours late. Before I post the update, I’ll state that I’m getting ready to do so. Or would you all prefer I wait until Sunday and give you an exact time?
Yes, the update is two hours early, but I had everything I needed, so I didn't feel the need to wait.
Just a disclaimer, when a players name was needed for the update, I used random.org to pick which player it was. I will continue doing so throughout the updates.
Just post an update when it suits you best, Methos. :3
Just to be clear, it is the day phase, so feel free to accuse each other. Please do so in a roleplay fashion, if you don't mind.
Askthepizzaguy
02-12-2010, 23:17
I shall vote for Diamondeye, as random.org commands
vote: Diamondeye
I reckon he's responsible for all this!
Atheotes is always the mafia.
Diamondeye
02-12-2010, 23:26
Random.org says vote: CCRunner
Askthepizzaguy
02-12-2010, 23:31
Atheotes is always the mafia.
Yes, I know that, but he's my scum partner and I want us to win.
atheotes
02-12-2010, 23:34
worked once...it is not going to work again :tongue3:
vote: ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
02-12-2010, 23:47
worked once...it is not going to work again :tongue3:
vote: ATPG
What were YOU doing last night?
atheotes
02-13-2010, 00:00
sleeping :sad:
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 00:16
sleeping :sad:
Well me too. Here's your chance to use your vote more constructively. Name someone else.
CCRunner
02-13-2010, 01:23
Vote: Secura to spread the love some more :beam:
ATPG first-nighted me, as I was a threat to him.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 01:30
ATPG first-nighted me, as I was a threat to him.
Wrong.
Just to be clear, it is the day phase, so feel free to accuse each other. Please do so in a roleplay fashion, if you don't mind.
A roleplaying fashion... intriguing.
Well, I prayed to the Arabic deity Rah'Dohm'Org, who told me to vote: atheotes this evening. While I see no current justification in this, I must trust in her infinite wisdom.
She moves in mysterious ways.
The update will be sometime late tonight. We have family plans during the day that'll interfere with the game. So update will be late tonight.
Wrong.
Scummy post, because I was joking like my accusation of atheotoes.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 17:30
Scummy post, because I was joking like my accusation of atheotoes.
Everything I do is just so scummy isn't it? I'd better get lynched before I murder again.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 17:44
unvote, vote: Secura
As tempting as it would be to snipe atheotes dead right about now, I sort of feel that the vote on atheotes is either an attempt to not look like you're bandwagonning or an attempt to gain someone's favor by voting for their accuser.
Overall I feel that is slightly more scummy than atheotes' direct approach.
unvote, vote: Secura
As tempting as it would be to snipe atheotes dead right about now, I sort of feel that the vote on atheotes is either an attempt to not look like you're bandwagonning or an attempt to gain someone's favor by voting for their accuser.
Overall I feel that is slightly more scummy than atheotes' direct approach.
I wasn't aware that there was a bandwagon going on at such an early stage of the game. There's been no evidence for me to pick anyone thus far, hence why I simply went with a randomised result. There's five names, 20% chance it could have picked anyone of you; it simply picked atheotes.
I apologise if that seems suspect to you, Pizza, but that's pretty much all there is to it.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 17:58
I wasn't aware that there was a bandwagon going on at such an early stage of the game. There's been no evidence for me to pick anyone thus far, hence why I simply went with a randomised result. There's five names, 20% chance it could have picked anyone of you; it simply picked atheotes.
I apologise if that seems suspect to you, Pizza, but that's pretty much all there is to it.
I understand.
The problem here is that if we leave things as they are, with the vote tied at one apiece, that means the guilty party can waltz right in and 100% guaranteed lynch an innocent.
Since we aren't voting No Lynch, which is probably the best option, given the fact that there are 6 of us, that tells me that we will be lynching today. In order to ensure that there isn't a 100% chance of failure I had to seize the initiative here.
Which of course is a huge problem if I am wrong. One murder and it is 2 v 2. I'm already starting to get cold feet about this.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:00
Dang it.
Unvote, vote: CCRunner
Why is Pizza so concerned? Atheotes is his scum partner.
His comment earlier wasn't a bluff.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:02
Why is Pizza so concerned? Atheotes is his scum partner.
His comment earlier wasn't a bluff.
Would you like me to vote for him and prove you wrong?
You're innocent Beskar. Point me like a gun. I'll vote for anyone.
I understand.
The problem here is that if we leave things as they are, with the vote tied at one apiece, that means the guilty party can waltz right in and 100% guaranteed lynch an innocent.
Since we aren't voting No Lynch, which is probably the best option, given the fact that there are 6 of us, that tells me that we will be lynching today. In order to ensure that there isn't a 100% chance of failure I had to seize the initiative here.
Which of course is a huge problem if I am wrong. One murder and it is 2 v 2. I'm already starting to get cold feet about this.
Very well, I understand what you mean.
You wish to sacrifice me this turn, right? I'm merely on the lookout for the thief who set us all up with the flashbag, nothing more. Our goals are the same.
She moves in mysterious ways.
You listen to all the same music I do.
Vote Atpg
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:07
You listen to all the same music I do.
Vote Atpg
MMM I think we've found our winner. Anyone want to vote for him so I can take care of business?
If I die by the lynch, the game is over. Don't say I didn't warn you.
MMM I think we've found our winner. Anyone want to vote for him so I can take care of business?
Askthepizzaguy is right, it is Subotan. Lynch him.
(I used ATPG as bait, it is Subotan. :yes: Askthepizzaguy wouldn't first-round kill me, unwritten rule as I will do it to him. atheotes wouldn't be that foolish.)
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:16
unvote, vote: Subotan
Reminder: I need help otherwise I've just committed suicide.
Diamondeye
02-13-2010, 18:19
Pizzaguy, you're next if this is wrong;
unvote; vote: Subotan
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:20
Pizzaguy, you're next if this is wrong;
unvote; vote: Subotan
Dude, if this is wrong, the game is over. There is no second chance.
Remember, 2 versus 2 after someone gets arrested or killed tonight. This is the final lynch. We should have gone "No Lynch" but my hand is kind of forced.
Beskar seems to think that Subotan is the most likely to have first round killed him.
We will need a third vote on Subotan in order to be safe.
"If you wanna kiss the sky,
Better learn how to kneel.
On your knees, boy!"
Subotan, your reasoning behind Pizza seems a little sketchy, is it possible for you to elaborate? Because at the moment, I'm going to unvote, vote: Subotan.
By the way, Beskar talks all the way from gaol? Ventriloquoy at it's finest, no?
I am Psychic Zero. I talk in your minds.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:49
Due to the events of the round, I have concluded that either Subotan is guilty, or Secura is guilty.
If Subotan is innocent, the scums would be on the bandwagon to lynch him. That means Secura. (probably)
If Subotan is guilty, then he's dead anyway.
Congratulations Secura, whatever happens, whichever team you are on benefits from this move. I like your cool response to my accusation earlier. I don't like Subotan's vote versus me.
The iPhone got me lynched? Yet another reason to hate apple.
I suppose i've just got to accept my fate. It doesn't seem like I'd be able to convince you not to vote for me based on a single admitedly scummy post.
Edit: I didn't see the third page, and hence Atpg's above post.
I am innocent (again; I want to be a mafia and not get banned), and the reason for my short post was that I needed something short to type, but yet wasn't just a post that contained a vote.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 18:56
The iPhone got me lynched? Yet another reason to hate apple.
I suppose i've just got to accept my fate. It doesn't seem like I'd be able to convince you not to vote for me based on a single admitedly scummy post.
If you were innocent, you'd need to put up more of a fight than this.
Remember if you're innocent the game is lost when you are lynched. Your throwing in the towel is symbolic: it means town doesn't deserve to win, if you're town. If you are guilty, then accepting your fate here makes me giggle.
Yikes, I didn't know that.
As I said, I am innocent. I'm posting using my dads iPhone, which I'd very uncomfortable, hence my short posts. And I don't like using IRL excuses.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 19:23
Well... there's only so much I can do here. My hands are totally tied, I am not going to back down on this and get lynched because that is 100% suicide for the town. And if you're also innocent, we're pretty screwed.
The only saving throw here is No Lynch. I said it before. But I can't back down and vote No Lynch and I don't recommend Diamondeye or Secura vote No Lynch either, because again, if we don't get the votes, it's pure suicide for the town.
Your fate is in your hands. It's either lynch Subotan or No Lynch. So what's it going to be?
I wouldn't be recommending No Lynch if I were guilty.
I recommend lynch:Subotan for first-nighting me.
Askthepizzaguy
02-13-2010, 19:40
I recommend lynch:Subotan for first-nighting me.
Your call. We'll do that.
Due to the events of the round, I have concluded that either Subotan is guilty, or Secura is guilty.
If Subotan is innocent, the scums would be on the bandwagon to lynch him. That means Secura. (probably)
If Subotan is guilty, then he's dead anyway.
Congratulations Secura, whatever happens, whichever team you are on benefits from this move. I like your cool response to my accusation earlier. I don't like Subotan's vote versus me.
You honour me, Pizza-san, but this is your show.
I'm following the advice of both yourself and Beskar, the latter who I particularly have a lot of faith in (even from his prison cell). I hope that faith is well placed.
You travel through the sewer quietly, each questioning those around you. Someone amongst your group had tossed the flash bag that had brought the city guard down upon them. The throwing dagger in the back of Beskar’s knee had also come from someone within this group of thieves. Accusations flew amongst the group, each questioning the other, unsure of who had turned against them. It wasn’t long before both ATPG and Subotan realized that everyone’s eyes were upon them. ATPG was able to turn the attention against Subotan and he quickly realized the trouble he was in. There were two problems with the current situation, one was that the heightened awareness he was in was exhausting, and the second was that thieves preyed on weakness and knew when to act upon it. For the past hour Subotan had walked with every sense alert, ready to react to anything and those around him knew it. But it finally happened, his body was beginning to tire and he briefly lost his footing. That was all the time that was needed, but unbalanced, he was unable to defend himself. Secura struck at Subotans leg, causing his lack of balance to become a full out fall. ATPG didn’t hesitate either and quickly landed upon Subotans back, using his weight to force Subotans head under the surface. Diamondeye quickly stepped in and threw a hard kick at Subotans side. The force was hard enough to force Subotan to gasp for breath, sucking in the liquid sewage into his lungs. Further struggles quickly subsided. Dragging Subotans body out of the sewage you quickly examine it, only to learn...
Subotan was a common thief.
It is now night.
Final Tally:
3 Subotan: ATPG, Diamondeye, Secura
2 ATPG: Atheotes, Subotan
1 Secura: CCRunner
The update will be tomorrow night.
Askthepizzaguy
02-14-2010, 08:14
We should have done No Lynch.
:wall:
Hey, it wasn't Subotan, that is a surprise.
You come upon a ladder leading back up to the street. CCRunner was the first up the ladder. Upon reaching the top, he extended his hand to inform you all to remain silent and then silently lifted the lid. You all could hear the sounds from above flowing down from the access hole. As silent as possible, you all slowly exit the sewers out onto the street. You find yourselves in a dark alley, shaded mostly due to the close quarters and the clothes hanging above, drying in the wind. Moving towards the end of the alley, you all stop, recalling the plan.
There was a mill not more then a block away that had an abandoned passage that ran under the inner wall and out of the inner city ward. The tunnel was said to move into the merchants ward, which would be even more dangerous, since it was one of the strongholds of The Master. It would be dangerous, but it was also the best option. Many of you grabbed clothes off the lines, or some other disguise to better conceal yourself while walking out in the open. Though you didn’t trust each other, you also knew that the only way for your current loot to be worth anything, was to reach the fence located on the other side of the merchants ward.
You were walking down the street when you noticed a pair of guards approaching you. They seemed unaware of you and would have passed on, when a hand reached out and snatched the purse of one of the guards and then tossed it at atheotes shoulder. The thieves reflexes were quick and upon striking his shoulder and leaving him unharmed, atheotes reflexively caught the item as it began to fall. The city guards spun around and seeing his purse in the hands of atheotes, both guards immediately reached for their swords. Atheotes didn’t bother to look at his fellow thieves, he knew they’d continue on, leaving him to fend for himself. He quickly drew a small dagger and sliced the ties holding the purse closed and then flung it forcibly at the closest guard, causing the bag to burst, flinging coins around the street. As he turned to flee he remembered Beskar and immediately jumped high as the expected dagger barely missed the back of his knee. He was turning towards a dark alley when something struck him in the back. He ignored it, as he knew it hadn’t been a thrown blade, but what felt like some sort of bag. He had taken only a few more steps when he began to feel a strange sensation come over him. It was then he began to panic, as he knew what had struck him. He frantically tore at his clothing, trying to remove it and the magical goo that was quickly engulfing him. With all his speed, he wasn’t fast enough, and quickly fell to the ground unable to move. He slid the small blade out of its hidden wrist sheath, but even that wouldn’t work. He could do nothing but panic as the city guard walked up to him, laughing at his condition.
“Hey, doesn’t he match the description of one of those thieves we’re looking for?” asked one guard.
“It sure does. I wonder how this happened to him?” stated the other.
“Who cares, we’re the ones bringing him in, that’s all that matters. Granted, once we figure out how to get him out of the goo.”
Atheots was the Ring Leader and has been captured by the City Guard!
It is now day. Make you’re accusations.
My apologies. As I was lying in bed it dawned on me that in my latest update I stated that atheotes was a common thief, when he was in fact the Ring Leader. The update has been modified. Also, please include this paragraph in the update:
----------------------------------------------------
Upon realizing that the Ring Leader of this job was dead, two things came to mind. He was your contact with your employer and he was the one forcing you to receive only 10% of the take. Now, with the Ring Leader dead, you had no means of contacting your employer and the loot would be divided evenly among the remaining thieves. Currently, each of you would receive 25%.
Back to bed.
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 07:14
Well I guess we should thank our lucky stars that the cop and head thief were on opposing sides.
I think we can reasonably guess that Diamondeye or Secura is the guilty party. I'm going to go with
vote: Diamondeye based on both Beskar's suspicions and Secura's reaction while under pressure.
Diamondeye
02-15-2010, 15:31
Well I guess we should thank our lucky stars that the cop and head thief were on opposing sides.
I think we can reasonably guess that Diamondeye or Secura is the guilty party. I'm going to go with
vote: Diamondeye based on both Beskar's suspicions and Secura's reaction while under pressure.
Do you know something we don't, ATPG? I have not heard any mention of either of these roles and am quite frankly at a loss as to what your post indicates other than you want me lynched.
Which is a smart move considering I advocated your lynch in the event that Subotan was innocent - which you shrugged off since it was apparently "the final lynch".
I am 100 % sure that vote: AskThePizzaGuy is villaineous. We need to lynch him to win.
Do you know something we don't, ATPG? I have not heard any mention of either of these roles and am quite frankly at a loss as to what your post indicates other than you want me lynched.
Which is a smart move considering I advocated your lynch in the event that Subotan was innocent - which you shrugged off since it was apparently "the final lynch".
I am 100 % sure that vote: AskThePizzaGuy is villaineous. We need to lynch him to win.
Scum post.
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 17:48
Do you know something we don't, ATPG? I have not heard any mention of either of these roles and am quite frankly at a loss as to what your post indicates other than you want me lynched.
Which is a smart move considering I advocated your lynch in the event that Subotan was innocent - which you shrugged off since it was apparently "the final lynch".
I am 100 % sure that vote: AskThePizzaGuy is villaineous. We need to lynch him to win.
I know you need to lynch me to win.
I also know I'm a basic thief, not the cop or the master thief. I also know that the best route of victory for the scums was following the Subotan bandwagon. Both you and Secura answered the call. It's a coin flip, but you're acting far worse.
Diamondeye
02-15-2010, 18:06
I know you need to lynch me to win.
I also know I'm a basic thief, not the cop or the master thief. I also know that the best route of victory for the scums was following the Subotan bandwagon. Both you and Secura answered the call. It's a coin flip, but you're acting far worse.
Okay so the reasons you have for lynching me is that I - like 3 of the 4 people alive, I believe - voted against someone we thought was guilty. And that I am taking this lynch seriously because, like you (apparently) did last round, I assume that this is our last chance. Of course, you could just have said that to manipulate us since it wasn't really the last voting round, was it?
I guess this is a call between Secura and CCRunner. I know ATPG is villaineous and he claims that I am. Make up your mind.
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 18:11
Okay so the reasons you have for lynching me is that I - like 3 of the 4 people alive, I believe - voted against someone we thought was guilty.
No. Me, you, and Secura voted for someone Beskar and I thought was guilty. Beskar and I asked for a bandwagon. You two followed suit.
That's what happened. Subotan wasn't guilty. I was the one calling for "No Lynch" but no one listened to me.
And that I am taking this lynch seriously because, like you (apparently) did last round, I assume that this is our last chance. Of course, you could just have said that to manipulate us since it wasn't really the last voting round, was it?
There was no way for an innocent person to know that. We know there are at least two villains. I did not know they weren't working together.
I guess this is a call between Secura and CCRunner. I know ATPG is villaineous and he claims that I am. Make up your mind.
LOL is this a soft claim that you're a detective, then? There's NO REASON to "soft" claim detective here. There's only one villain left, most likely. This is the final round, and you're wussing out on claiming full detective? For what reason? Afraid there might be a real one around, just like in the Swords and D20's game where you were ALSO FULL OF IT???
I never do this, but it is worthy of big letters.
I call bovine excrement on you. You're totally full of it.
Diamondeye
02-15-2010, 18:20
No. Me, you, and Secura voted for someone Beskar and I thought was guilty. Beskar and I asked for a bandwagon. You two followed suit.
That's what happened. Subotan wasn't guilty. I was the one calling for "No Lynch" but no one listened to me.
You repeatedly told us NOT to call a no lynch, iirc.
There was no way for an innocent person to know that. We know there are at least two villains. I did not know they weren't working together.
We assume there are two villains. And from this round we assume that they are not working together... correct?
LOL is this a soft claim that you're a detective, then? There's NO REASON to "soft" claim detective here. There's only one villain left, most likely. This is the final round, and you're wussing out on claiming full detective? For what reason? Afraid there might be a real one around, just like in the Swords and D20's game where you were ALSO FULL OF IT???
1: This isn't a soft claim. It's a deduction. Prove me wrong.
2: How is it there is only one villain left? No villains have been lynched, to my knowledge. You say the villains are a master's thief and a cop, yet none of these have been lynched and you claim there's one villain left. Inconsistant at the best, outright lying at the worst.
Nope. I am not afraid there's an investigator around. If he hasn't just been captured, he's most welcome to reveal now. This is another game, not the S&D20s (where you were lying aswell, my friend, although for another purpose than I). The only reason I was that desperate was that CDf discarded my night order after AA's death. Meh.
I never do this, but it is worthy of big letters.
I call bovine excrement on you. You're totally full of it.
You think so? I'm calling your bet. Who's full of it, ATPG? I think you. Let's see if the rest of town is clearsighted enough to come to the same conclusion.
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 18:33
You repeatedly told us NOT to call a no lynch, iirc.
When there were two votes on me, yes...
Because- Unlikely that we would get 3-4 No Lynch votes so late in the round. If we failed in doing so, I easily die by 2 votes to lynch, or perhaps 3 by an opportunistic Diamondeye. From my perspective, that was likely the fastest route to losing the game, as I indeed thought last round was game over if we got it wrong.
I reminded people of that fact, even though I had previously called for No Lynch because a false lynch loses the game (most likely) and No Lynch forces another murder, thus removing a suspect, but allowing 3 townies versus 2 scums.
The odds are better for the town if we did that. And since no one but me was pointing that out, what are the odds that I am a scumbag? I often act innocent to make myself look innocent, but I do not do things which improve the odds of a town victory.
We assume there are two villains. And from this round we assume that they are not working together... correct?
The fact that we have a round when there are 4 players remaining means that there are either 2 non-allied bad guys remaining (which means we lose anyway, as we only have one lynch...) or there is only one, and atheotes was the odd man out being not a basic thief. That's why we are thinking that there's basic thieves, the cop, and the master thief, as the game setup. Beskar was also a basic thief.
This is all obvious stuff to those paying attention.
1: This isn't a soft claim. It's a deduction. Prove me wrong.
It's not a deduction because you'd have to have investigated both Secura and CCRunner in order to have "DEDUCED" it. Which means you'd have to be claiming THAT, and you DID NOT CLAIM THAT.
Which means you're not a detective. Which means it's not a deduction. Which means YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF IT.
2: How is it there is only one villain left? No villains have been lynched, to my knowledge. You say the villains are a master's thief and a cop, yet none of these have been lynched and you claim there's one villain left. Inconsistant at the best, outright lying at the worst.
Hahahahah.
Atheots was the Ring Leader and has been captured by the City Guard!
Ring leader. Ring leader of the thieves. What's another name for that?
Nope. I am not afraid there's an investigator around. If he hasn't just been captured, he's most welcome to reveal now.
Then you admit you're no detective. Which means you haven't deduced anything except how to survive past this final round.
You think so? I'm calling your bet. Who's full of it, ATPG? I think you.
"Think?" I thought you said you KNEW.
Show how you "know". Come on, where's the proof? Where's the irrefutable argument? Where's the logic? Show your work.
There is no logic and no evidence which leads to the bogus conclusion that I am guilty, because I am innocent. So, the onus is on you to prove me a liar, otherwise you stand accused and proven to be one yourself. I await your highly entertaining and full-of-holes response.
Let's see if the rest of town is clearsighted enough to come to the same conclusion.
Yes, indeed. :mellow:
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 19:11
Out of morbid curiosity; CCRunner, Secura, do you guys have roles besides the basic role?
I'd like to know if I guessed correctly on that point or not.
Guys... what's happened here? There's no need to tear strips off one another.
I'd like to clarify something, Pizza:
When the town agreed to a Subotan lynch, I voted solely based upon the extent to which Beskar was adamant; he had a strong feeling that Subotan was scum, and I didn't have any inclinations towards anyone at all. Had I known that false accusations would be bandied around for doing so, perhaps I might have considered abstaining after all.. You requested an additional vote, specified that "no vote" would screw the town over... so I offered my support. Bear in mind that Diamond wanted you lynched if Subotan turned out to be innocent. I'm not buying into that sort of logic, myself.
Both of you have utilised some excellent deductive abilities, and you form solid arguments (if a little aggressive, but boys will be boys). For now, I am going to vote: Diamondeye; my scumdar was tingling a little early on when Subotan was lynched, I had a feeling Pizza was mafia. I'm also slightly uncomfortable with how quiet CC has been, but I put that down to busy day-to-day RL stuff. However, this round's seen a flurry of activity from Diamondeye, and I feel some of his arguments are strong, but others fail to hold water.
And to answer your question, I am a thief. I believe there is only one threat left, as it appears the Ring Leader/Master Thief has been captured.
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 19:43
I only get really aggressive when I catch people lying. :bow:
Also, for some reason I think the "Master" and the "Ring Leader" are separate roles... this could be wrong but I'd need CCRunner to say what role he is. Ultimately it doesn't matter; Diamondeye is either innocent and playing really badly, or he's guilty and the game is over with his death with either a thief victory, or whichever bad guy isn't his role victory.
Just wanted to point out that even though Beskar and atheotes have been captured, they are basically dead in this game. Granted, I may use this in my updates, but they have been removed as players.
Diamondeye
02-15-2010, 20:26
When there were two votes on me, yes...
Because- Unlikely that we would get 3-4 No Lynch votes so late in the round. If we failed in doing so, I easily die by 2 votes to lynch, or perhaps 3 by an opportunistic Diamondeye. From my perspective, that was likely the fastest route to losing the game, as I indeed thought last round was game over if we got it wrong.
I reminded people of that fact, even though I had previously called for No Lynch because a false lynch loses the game (most likely) and No Lynch forces another murder, thus removing a suspect, but allowing 3 townies versus 2 scums.
This is all buying the pretense that you're innocent. You would have just as much reason to seek personal survival then than you have now, being guilty.
The odds are better for the town if we did that. And since no one but me was pointing that out, what are the odds that I am a scumbag? I often act innocent to make myself look innocent, but I do not do things which improve the odds of a town victory.
WIFOM - and lies.
The fact that we have a round when there are 4 players remaining means that there are either 2 non-allied bad guys remaining (which means we lose anyway, as we only have one lynch...) or there is only one, and atheotes was the odd man out being not a basic thief. That's why we are thinking that there's basic thieves, the cop, and the master thief, as the game setup. Beskar was also a basic thief.
You are not reading my posts thoroughfully enough. Why would one of the villains be apprehended in the night update? That makes no sense at all and is a bogus claim. "we" are thinking that there are two baddies left. One when you're down. The other might be incapable of nightkills or something since we haven't lost.
This is all obvious stuff to those paying attention.
Whatever. Allow me my emphasis and rhetorical questions.
It's not a deduction because you'd have to have investigated both Secura and CCRunner in order to have "DEDUCED" it. Which means you'd have to be claiming THAT, and you DID NOT CLAIM THAT.
We are dealing with two villains. I am not a villain.
I do not believe CCRunner is a villain, being this inactive.
Thus; you and Secura are the villains. Secura's vote merely solidifies this claim.
Which means you're not a detective. Which means it's not a deduction. Which means YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF IT.
You're the detective then, since you "know" I'm guilty? No way. Scum.
Ring leader. Ring leader of the thieves. What's another name for that?
Again; you are not reading my posts closely enough. I see no reason why the Ringleader should be anti-town in a ring of thieves.
Then you admit you're no detective. Which means you haven't deduced anything except how to survive past this final round.
Which seems crucial when we are two townies, you and Secura. I repeat; I am 100 % sure that you aren't pro-town.
"Think?" I thought you said you KNEW.
Rhetorical questions are allowed on here, right?
Show how you "know". Come on, where's the proof? Where's the irrefutable argument? Where's the logic? Show your work.
There is no logic and no evidence which leads to the bogus conclusion that I am guilty, because I am innocent. So, the onus is on you to prove me a liar, otherwise you stand accused and proven to be one yourself. I await your highly entertaining and full-of-holes response.
Yes, indeed. :mellow:
I won't have visible proof until you hang/win the game obviously. Your thread replies are all that I have but it's enough for me to be sure.
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 20:38
This is all buying the pretense that you're innocent. You would have just as much reason to seek personal survival then than you have now, being guilty.
When your arguments are refuted, your response is simply that I'm guilty. Based on zero proof. How do you "know"?
WIFOM - and lies.
When you are shown to be lying, your response is that I'm a liar.
You are not reading my posts thoroughfully enough. Why would one of the villains be apprehended in the night update? That makes no sense at all and is a bogus claim. "we" are thinking that there are two baddies left. One when you're down. The other might be incapable of nightkills or something since we haven't lost.
A bad guy not in the same team as another could remove that player from the game during the night.
Whatever. Allow me my emphasis and rhetorical questions.
:)
We are dealing with two villains. I am not a villain.
....
I do not believe CCRunner is a villain, being this inactive.
Kay.
Thus; you and Secura are the villains. Secura's vote merely solidifies this claim.
If we're both villains, the game is over. Remember?
Hey Diamondeye.... come on now, man.... you're not thinking before you post.
You're the detective then, since you "know" I'm guilty? No way. Scum.
I caught you lying that you've "deduced" and you "know" I'm guilty. Why do townies do that? They rarely do.
Scum do all the time.
Again; you are not reading my posts closely enough. I see no reason why the Ringleader should be anti-town in a ring of thieves.
Maybe he's really really greedy.
Game is An Unlikely Pair, not Obviously Both Scum.
Which seems crucial when we are two townies, you and Secura. I repeat; I am 100 % sure that you aren't pro-town.
And that's 100% based on absolutely nothing. No evidence, no reasoning, just your statements.
Rhetorical questions are allowed on here, right?
Are they?
I won't have visible proof until you hang/win the game obviously.
How convenient that you don't provide your evidence and proof that I'm guilty until after I'm dead. :laugh4:
You have time now. Humor me.
Your thread replies are all that I have but it's enough for me to be sure.
LOL!!!
You "know" I'm guilty based on the fact that I voted for you? What else? You were SURE based on my one accusatory post.
You can't use my posts after that as proof (and I'd like to see an attempt) so how do you "know"
Come on then, spill it. What's the evidence? What's the reasoning? How'd you "deduce" that I'm guilty and Secura is guilty? Game would be over. You'd never be able to overturn our two votes.
It's obviously and self-evidently false.
If I am supposed to believe you're innocent (and I don't) then how, how, how am I supposed to believe that when you don't answer basic questions about my supposed guilt other than "I've deduced it! It must be so", especially when you're dead wrong.
If you don't start talking, you're going to be just plain dead. So humor me. How do you KNOW I'm guilty when I'm not.
Pardon, but I will keep hammering you on this until you concede the point or the round ends.
CCRunner
02-15-2010, 20:59
Pssh, I'm not inactive! Just very busy... I did post my accusation though. And if I don't respond, it's because I have nothing to add :wink:
Anyway, I am a town watch common thief as well. I'm not voting at the moment, but I will in a few hours. In the meantime... carry on good sirs :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 21:01
Pssh, I'm not inactive! Just very busy... I did post my accusation though. And if I don't respond, it's because I have nothing to add :wink:
Anyway, I am a town watch common thief as well. I'm not voting at the moment, but I will in a few hours. In the meantime... carry on good sirs :bow:
If you're a common thief, then that confirms what I thought. Myself, Secura, CCRunner, Beskar, and Subotan are all basic thieves.
That makes Diamondeye and atheotes the odd men out.
Reason why the game is "an Unlikely Pair" is because they have a mission to destroy each other as well as the town, but I believe they might have had an ability to coordinate their actions somehow... making them mortal enemies but also forced to work together. Seems someone got the upper hand.
Diamondeye
02-15-2010, 21:02
You do have points and you do also have flaws in your reasoning. Also, you're still not reading my posts closely enough - I am starting to think that you are ignoring the detail you are missing on purpose. It might sound enigmatic, but you are missing a possessive " 's".
I have come to the conclusion (and you are only strengthening at the moment) that you and Secura are the two villains, on two different teams (hence; no coordination of votes, no townie loss yet).
You're being a bit condescending at the moment - not that I do not realize that you obviously have more experience in these games than I, I had just not expected it to be the main selling point in your argument.
Maybe I'm not thinking before I post. Maybe it's because I'm certain I'm right. I have a tendancy of being obstinate about things when I know I'm right and people refuse to acknowledge it.
I'm not trying to convince you, ATPG, and I hope you know. Since yesterday's lynch, advocated and started by you, turned up innocent, I knew you were one of the villains. I just hope it dawns on someone else.
CCRunner: Make sure you vote the right way; it seems the entire game is on stake by your vote.
Diamondeye
02-15-2010, 21:03
If you're a common thief, then that confirms what I thought. Myself, Secura, CCRunner, Beskar, and Subotan are all basic thieves.
That makes Diamondeye and atheotes the odd men out.
Oh let me guess; to prove this, you "need me to hang".
Basically the same thing I'm asking for you, only obviously people will listen to ATPG but not to me.
"Great, we lynched Diamondeye! Why hasn't the game ended, I wonder..."
:headdesk:
Choose wisely.
I am a ghost detective, because I got deaded, we are in a ghost council, with special abilities. Our investigation revealed this:
Diamondeye is scum
I hope it helps the town. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 21:13
You do have points and you do also have flaws in your reasoning.
What are they?
Also, you're still not reading my posts closely enough - I am starting to think that you are ignoring the detail you are missing on purpose. It might sound enigmatic, but you are missing a possessive " 's".
You're not doing any favors for yourself by not being direct.
If you're innocent, this isn't the path forward. This leads to just more deadlock and just discredits yourself.
I have come to the conclusion (and you are only strengthening at the moment) that you and Secura are the two villains, on two different teams (hence; no coordination of votes, no townie loss yet).
....
Based, on, what, reasoning?
You're being a bit condescending at the moment
I'd argue I'm being persistent. You keep dodging me.
not that I do not realize that you obviously have more experience in these games than I, I had just not expected it to be the main selling point in your argument.
At what point did I say the following, or any variant thereof:
Follow me, because I have more experience than Diamondeye? I don't even know that I do. I don't know when you started these games.
IMO you're more experienced than to make the sorts of arguments and use the sorts of fallacies you're using. You're much more reasonable than this. What happened?
Maybe I'm not thinking before I post. Maybe it's because I'm certain I'm right. I have a tendancy of being obstinate about things when I know I'm right and people refuse to acknowledge it.
Okay, but you're not correct... so... when I'm trying to find out where the big flaw in your reasoning is, and why you are claiming you're sure/certain when you aren't, and you keep ducking me...
How am I supposed to react? These are not the words of the typical innocent player. You have a chance to fully explain yourself, calmly, rationally, and you're failing.
I could just walk away and let this lynch happen. Why am I still arguing, if I am guilty? I've already gotten what I want, apparently, so why am I still TRYING to reason with you or expose the fallacies in your thought process?
I don't tend to beat a dead horse. I'm still playing the game because I don't "know" you're guilty. I just really, really think you are based on your behavior and your inability to explain yourself, and your lack of claimed role.
That's not proof, and I never claimed that it was. It's very compelling, but it isn't the same as "knowing".
So when I have that, and I can explain that, but you have nothing and you say you "know", I pick at that, because I'd be derelict not to.
I'm not trying to convince you, ATPG, and I hope you know. Since yesterday's lynch, advocated and started by you, turned up innocent, I knew you were one of the villains. I just hope it dawns on someone else.
That's a misuse of the word "knew".
Askthepizzaguy
02-15-2010, 22:15
Everyone has claimed to be a basic thief. Which we know is false... someone here is the Guard.
That means anyone claiming to be a basic thief who is proved not to be one, is guilty.
I believe I claimed basic thief first, and DE was the last to claim it.
Both the "deduction" and the "know" aspects of DE's case are disproved by the fact he claimed basic thief. He can't actually know without a powerful role. He's declined to show how the publicly-known facts add up with 100% conclusiveness to my guilt, which he'd have to if he were innocent.
There are other problems with the story which I won't go into. But the bottom line is I said it was either him or Secura, and my reasons for voting him were based on the problems in his story, and I invited him to explain himself. He replied and declined to do so. Because his explaining of himself is what the game hinges on right now, the only reason not to do so is because he cannot.
If he cannot explain himself, and he can't say why he knows when he cannot know, even though if he were innocent it would be easy to do, that is the same as an admission of either guilt or apathy. He's obviously not apathetic or he wouldn't have argued for my death so vociferously.
I accept this as a concession of all points.
It was a long walk crossing that block openly, but you made it to the mill without any further incident. Attached to the mill was a tavern and it was here that you entered. You separated briefly to blend in, while you explored those around you, making sure you were in the clear. The hidden passage you would be entering was a perfect place for a trap and you weren’t about to enter it without being positive that no one had spotted you.
As thieves you knew perfectly well how to measure people and ATPG had quickly spotted someone he could use. It was a young punk, who felt he had something to prove. It didn’t take long either, about ten minutes before he looked like he was heading towards DE. ATPG slowly began heading towards DE, who obviously noticed, but the problem was, DE was paying too close attention to ATPG, CCRunner, and Secura and not to those around him. As ATPG reached DE he started to set his flask down and then quickly grabbed DE’s flask and tossed its contents at the punk. Before the punk could react, ATPG quickly picked up his own glass and stepped back looking at DE with feigned shock. The punk reacted as ATPG expected, though DE was just as quick. As the punk roared out his challenge and moved to attack, DE drew a hidden blade and gutted the boy, as he attempted to dash off. He hadn’t made it too far, before all hell broke loose. DE was good, but no scrapper and he knew it. He was doing his best to fight his way out of this mess when he felt the sharp point of a blade slide between his ribs. He glanced up to see the sparkling of ATPGs eyes as he turned and headed towards the hidden passage. The others moved towards the passage as well, knowing this was the perfect diversion. As you quietly slid out the back of the tavern, you heard someone call out from the crowd, “He’s one of the Master’s!”
Diamondeye was one of The Master’s thieves!
You easily dropped back behind the tavern and to the back end of the mill, where access to the hidden passage was. It would have been extremely difficult to find, if you all hadn’t already known where to look. Many of you eyed ATPG warily, remembering how it had been him that had killed both Subotan and Diamondeye. Though you didn’t trust him and feared him at your back, you had to press forward.
The passage was an old one and it appeared to have once been a sewer, though it hadn’t been used in many, many decades. It was very tight and restrictive, yet even so, you each maintained a good distance from each other. As you came to the end of the passage, you could see what looked like an iron door ahead of you. Moving up to it, CCRunner put his ear to the door and then indicated he didn’t hear anything on the other side. Secura silently opened the door, giving each of the vision of a very thick door, with what appeared to be a false wall on the doors opposite side. As Secura stepped through the door he jerked to a stop and both CCRunner and ATPG could see every nerve in his body tense. Both became very still as they watched Secura’s hand slide silently towards his ankle. It was plan from his body language that someone had come upon them and Secura’s body language indicated he was preparing to attack. He disappeared briefly before they heard the distinctive thud of a body striking the floor.
CCRunner and ATPG exited the hidden passage and in the dim light they could see the body of a man near Secura and stairs on the other side of him. The thieves quickly moved to the stairs and began to ascend, when they heard movement from behind them. CC and ATPG quickly glanced behind them only to see the “dead body” fling something towards them. As the thieves attempted to protect themselves from what looked like f flash bag they felt the blast strike them full force. It didn’t matter that they were disoriented, they did everything they could to flee from the area, but too many things were happening at once. The man lying on the floor was waving his hands around oddly and you could see him lips moving. There was a strange blue light emanating from his fingers and you quickly realized he was a wizard. You could also feel the vibrations in the floor of the stairs and you knew many men would rushing down the stairs. The thing you noticed most was Secura as he kicked ATPG in the side of the knee while his left hand pulled an emblem out of his jacket that indicated he was an official member of the investigative branch of the city guard. CCRunner turned and rushed back towards the wizard knowing it was his only chance, but he was too late as the lightening crackled from the wizards hands, striking CCRunner in the chest. With a busted knee, ATPG began tumbling down the stairs, where he came to a rest on the charred remains of CCRunner.
CCRunner and ATPG were common thieves and have been captured by the City Guard!
Secura is a cop with the city guard!l
Congratulations to Secura, for the win!
Final Talley:
Diamondeye: ATPG, Secura
ATPG: DE
The Master's Thief - Diamondeye
VC: Mafia
The Master not only knows of this job, but has known about it long enough to have you placed on the team. Your job is simple, you are to cause this job to fail. You've been assigned a partner, who oddly enough is one of the local constables. The Master has "invited" him to join as a political move, though that doesn't mean you have to protect him. You do not know who it is, but are able to secretly communicate with him. So long as he is alive, the two of you must come to an agreement in order to complete your kill. If you do not, then no kill will happen during that phase.
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Goals:
-Survive
-Kill the cop
-Recover the majority of the gold
Quicktopic for the mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/WZvknhDKDkUJ7
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The Cop - Secura
VC: Mafia
You've been investigating the ring leader of this group for a long time, too long according to your police chief. Most of the higher ups have begun thinking of you as a sore spot among the force, so when the Master made the offer of placing a policeman within the team of thieves, you were their first choice. It's a win/win option for them. If you fail, they're rid of you. If you succeed, then they look good. For you though, its an extremely dangerous position. You realize that your only option is to capture or kill the Master's thief and recover the stolen gold. Interestingly enough, the very thief who you wish to capture/kill is also your teammate. The Master has arranged a way for the two of you to secretly communicate without realizing who the other is. The two of you must come to an agreement on who to kill during the night phase. If you don't agree, then there will be no kill. If something happens to him, then the choice is entirely yours.
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Goals:
-Survive
-Kill the Master's Thief
-Recover the majority of the gold
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Quicktopic for the mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/WZvknhDKDkUJ7
The Ring Leader - atheotes
VC: Innocent
Your boss doesn't trust the thieves he hired, so he's placed you within the group to make sure they don't steal his profits. So long as your alive, every surviving thief gets a cut of 10% and whatever is left, goes to your boss. You don't mind the occasional loss of some thieves, but neither do you wish to screw up this job. You've come to realize this is a test from your boss.
Ability: You were the one who hired these thieves, so every night phase you can secretly investigate one thief and determine if it is the thief you hired, or an impostor.
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Goals:
-Survive
-Kill the Mafia (1 pt for each one)
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Thieves - ATPG, CCRunner, Beskar, Subotan
VC: Innocent
You’ve been considering the 10% take you’re getting and how no matter if one of you is killed or captured, your take still stays at 10%. You realize that the only way the boss of this job could maintain such control is if he had one of his own on the job. The boss will have his own worries about the Master coming after him, so you should be able to easily disappear with the loot.
Goals:
-Survive
-Remove the Ringleader
-Remove the Master’s minions
Feel free to check out the quick topic that the mafia used. Also, being that this was my first game, can you all please indicate what you thought about it? Post both the positives and negatives and don’t hesitate to say what you didn’t like. I was very curious if by making the mafia unaware of each other I was weakening them, but it turned out to make the game very interesting.
Askthepizzaguy
02-16-2010, 06:14
Well I figured it was Diamondeye or Secura. I also figured it was too late for an innocent victory if there were two baddies remaining. We lost when we lynched Subotan... the correct move was either to lynch Secura, which I was initially going for... or No Lynch, it seems.
Sigh... I gave it my best.
We did good though, we got one of them.
I do think that a game with 2 mafia, the ability to murder, and starting on a night phase is near-impossible for the town because the first lynch is the final lynch. That's a bit unfair in terms of difficulty. Then the correct move is No Lynch... and even then you'd have to line up all three townies, correctly, against one of the remaining scums. That's very hard to get everyone to agree on.
I rate the game setup as interesting but very, very difficult.
In fact this is a game where both lynches have to be correct, and there's only two lynches. There isn't a more difficult game setup possible.
Congratulations Secura, I consider it a personal failure that I let you live when I could have had you.
Congratulations Diamondeye, though you know if there were one more townie, I would have gotten you and your little partner too.
:bow:
Askthepizzaguy
02-16-2010, 06:29
Feel free to check out the quick topic that the mafia used. Also, being that this was my first game, can you all please indicate what you thought about it? Post both the positives and negatives and don’t hesitate to say what you didn’t like. I was very curious if by making the mafia unaware of each other I was weakening them, but it turned out to make the game very interesting.
For game balance:
I've had 7-player mini games where the two scums did not know each other and could not murder, and they still won (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?124559-The-Night-Santa-Went-Crazy). And the game started on a day phase, so the townies got the first shot.
That's a far more difficult set-up but overall it was very balanced.
That's the only criticism I have, is that it was very easy for the mafia. Not meant to be "whine... I lost" kind of criticism, in a very objective 3 distinct extra advantages in this game over a more balanced game.
If it was possible to win, then it was a fair game. I'll correct myself there. Just very hard.
The mafia were working against each other, so I hoped that would weaken them since they'd be trying to locate each other and kill the other one off. At the same time by not knowing each other, I realized that figureing out who the second mafia was would be a lot more difficult, hence the inclusion of an investigator. The problem was, the first night atheotes chose to investigate Beskar, who was also killed. The second night atheotes chose to investigate ATPG, but was killed instaed. Unfortunately the investigator never had a chance to benefit the innocent thieves.
I realize now that starting on a night phase is a bad thing for a seven man game, but that's part of the learning experience. I hope you all still enjoyed it.
Askthepizzaguy
02-16-2010, 06:41
The mafia were working against each other, so I hoped that would weaken them since they'd be trying to locate each other and kill the other one off.
That makes sense, however if they don't immediately try to kill each other, it's game over for the innocents anyway. It's a two-day game. If they don't kill each other day one, it's over after day two. So it's not much of a handicap.
At the same time by not knowing each other, I realized that figureing out who the second mafia was would be a lot more difficult, hence the inclusion of an investigator.
I agree, that's necessary for fairness. The difficulty is if the investigator, which basically the entire innocent team requires in order to win... if they investigate incorrectly or die, innocents basically lose.
So the onus is on the mafia to win the game outright, not really for the innocents to guess correctly. And the game starts with a night phase... that's harsh (IMHO)
I realize now that starting on a night phase is a bad thing for a seven man game, but that's part of the learning experience. I hope you all still enjoyed it.
Oh indeed. We might have lost but I'll be darned if we didn't give it everything we had, and come within a hair of victory.
I really loved this game, in all honesty. Thought I'd talk you through my thoughts throughout;
On the first night, the Master Thief requested we kill Beskar. I told him that I'd prefer a capture, which he went along with, and that was that. I will admit I felt somewhat guilty and revealed my identity as the Cop to Beskar, and he essentially said he suspected Subotan of being the advocate for his arrest. That was my reasoning for the first night, when I honestly suspected noone.
On the first day phase, the Thief asked me to vote for Pizza, and when Subotan popped up and did just that, it made me even more suspicious; until Subotan turned out to be a civilian, whereby I immediately thought that Pizza was the Thief, the request to nominate himself a mere ploy for him to remove the Cop from the game early.
On the second night, the Thief wanted to kill atheotes. To test the waters, I said "what about Pizza?", but the Thief was actually fine with this. Not long before Methos' took our decision in, I changed my mind again to test the waters further; I suggested Diamondeye for the lynch, which the Thief was adamantly against, and basically said "Pizza or atheotes?". Gotcha, was the general thought for me at the time.
I chose to agree and arrest atheotes (murder is so morally reprehensible, no?) because I felt that Pizza's arguments would be invaluable should the Thief try to front me out. The game went into day phase where it turns out atheotes was the Ring Leader... I became somewhat confused, suspected that might mean he was the Thief I had to make decisions with, and essentially was back to Square One with no idea what to do.
In the end, it was Diamondeye's arguments that reaffirmed my belief in his real identity, and I voted to remove the murdering brigand. It was then clear to me that I would be able to bring the other thieves to justice and win the game. Know that I kept everyone alive by arresting them though, rather than killing you all as my 'partner' wished!
Honestly, I feel the victory should've gone to Diamondeye and Pizza just for their debate. If you seriously want a seven-man game to have alot of activity, get these two hotheads together!
As for the quality of the game, I liked the fact that the two 'mafia' factions were forced to work together, and I was constantly scratching my head as to who the Thief was; I suspected half the game, essentially. I never actually suspected there was an investigator, and it's unfortunate for the town that he didn't get the identity of one of the pair before his death.
Unfortunately, the game got to a point where the town couldn't win; it was a choice of the Cop arresting everyone and me winning, or the Thief killing everyone and Diamondeye winning.
I just noticed something; the thieves had to remove the Ring Leader from the game too. While this is self-explanitory in terms of narrative (he's the one regulating the small cut they're getting), it essentially means the town has to lynch him last or they would lose; they need him out of the game, but they heavily rely on his investigation results too. He was never going to reveal his role to anyone if he felt he would be lynched for being the Ring Leader.
Without him, there's no way of finding out the real threat; the Cop who wants to arrest the thieves or the Thief who wants to murder them all.
Diamondeye
02-16-2010, 13:51
I loved the game setup, Methos! It was extremely interesting imho, if a bit hard on the innocents, as ATPG suggests.
I must say, early on I was quite sure that ATPG was "The Cop" because he seemed to avoid the kill of him at nights. Also, arresting people instead of killing them would be typical of ATPG.
However, my last day talk with ATPG revealed to me that he was indeed a common thief (but also made it impossible for me to redirect his vote to Secura, who I realized was the Cop by then, since I acted scummy as :daisy:).
The reason I picked this approach to the last day was that my PM indicates "mafia" victory, which I take is the same as Secura's PM does. So I figured I'd win even if I died (albeit a less impressive win than if the cop died or if I survived).
Methos, I know this game was hard on the innocents but you should consider providing the mafia with a brief summary of the common thief goals. It was impossible to guess the Ringleader one.
There were a few things needed to do for another game.
- Balancing (It is impossible for the common-thief to win.)
- Layout and Game Organisation (There was no start-times, end-times, etc)
Also, I just realised, didn't the common thieves just win the game? Your victory conditions were "Get Master's Minion" and "Get Ringleader", thus officially, both ATPG and CCRunner at least completed their victory conditions since the Cop doesn't come either of these two headings.
The write-ups themselves were good though.
I just noticed something; the thieves had to remove the Ring Leader from the game too. While this is self-explanitory in terms of narrative (he's the one regulating the small cut they're getting), it essentially means the town has to lynch him last or they would lose;
Yeah, I added this to keep everyone against each other. I agree that it unbalanced things.
Methos, I know this game was hard on the innocents but you should consider providing the mafia with a brief summary of the common thief goals. It was impossible to guess the Ringleader one.
Also, I just realised, didn't the common thieves just win the game? Your victory conditions were "Get Master's Minion" and "Get Ringleader", thus officially, both ATPG and CCRunner at least completed their victory conditions since the Cop doesn't come either of these two headings.
My original intent was to use a point system for victory. Each player received one point for achieving one of their goals. I had decided that to earn the point for removing someone then the player must have been one of the ones who voted for that individual. I kept this to myself, for fear of everyone piling on someone just to get the point. As the game progressed I realized it wouldn't work out as well as I thought. I had given the most possible points to be earned to the common thieves, since they had the ability to earn a possible four points and the roles could only earn up to three. Though Secura did complete all of his goals, thereby earning three points, whereas the next closest would have been DE and ATPG he both earned 1 point.
This game has given me a lot to think about and I look forward to someday doing another one.
- Layout and Game Organisation (There was no start-times, end-times, etc)
Are you talking about real time, as in the updates, or do you mean in-game there wasn't enough information? At first I wanted to keep it secretive, more rogue-ish, but I realize all that did was keep people from wanting to sign up.
Are you talking about real time, as in the updates, or do you mean in-game there wasn't enough information? At first I wanted to keep it secretive, more rogue-ish, but I realize all that did was keep people from wanting to sign up.
Yup, he means the updates... some phases were long, some short etc. It didn't really bother me too much, as it meant a constant change of pace as the game picked up and slowed down... but some people are a stickler for regularity. :3
I know what that's like, because I'm really antsy about spelling and grammar... I recheck and edit my posts to make sure I'm utlising the English language properly and not like a chav. >.<
I had intended to start the game on the Monday following the opening of my sign up thread, as during the week its much easier for me to maintain some regularity. The weekends are often difficult due to family stuff. It also didn't help that it was a three day weekend for us (my wife and I both had Monday off) and it was Valentine's. My apologies for that.
I hope you spoiled her! ^_^
I hope you spoiled her! ^_^
Lol! As much as I was able to with a soon to be three year old. It's difficult to spoil my wife when I'm spending so much time spoiling my daughter. Correction, when were both spoiling her.
atheotes
02-16-2010, 21:07
good game Secura.
to be honest, i never thought there would be 2 mafia and never thought removing me would be a victory condition for the town. :shocked:
If i had investigated the mafia, i would have revealed myself as the ring leader to explain my investigation ability. then i would be in danger of getting killed at night or lynched during the day :stare:
it was an interesting game Methos...probably a little tough on the town (and very tough on me :laugh4:)
Thank you, you honour me. :3
Personally, I think that the town would have had a better chance had your role actually been pro-town; while your investigations were of use to them, they needed to lynch you too to win. Arguably, you had the hardest role of all.
But... what is it with everyone's Beskar-obsession? The Thief immediately suggested Beskar as the first night kill, you investigated him first... is he always scum or something? Seems everyone wanted rid straight away! xD
Askthepizzaguy
02-16-2010, 22:27
I hope you spoiled her! ^_^
As for me, since no one asked... :lol:
I got my Valentine a large heart-shaped box of the nice assorted chocolates, a bag of valentines-day themed milky way, twix, snickers, etc assorted chocolates, the red, pink, and white peanut M&M's which are her favorites, a cute little stuffed doggie, a box of marshamallow lover's instant cocoa, a valentines' day card, and I brought her to Applebee's and spent 40 dollars getting her a 12 oz steak, mozzarella stick appetizers, salad, and a fruity alcoholic drink.
I also got her a ton of kisses and hugs and lovins. :heart:
As for me, since no one asked... :lol:
This is turning into romance corner now! o_o
I am glad that you both enjoyed your weekend, explains why things were a little quiet on Sunday! :3
Diamondeye
02-17-2010, 00:57
Thank you, you honour me. :3
Personally, I think that the town would have had a better chance had your role actually been pro-town; while your investigations were of use to them, they needed to lynch you too to win. Arguably, you had the hardest role of all.
But... what is it with everyone's Beskar-obsession? The Thief immediately suggested Beskar as the first night kill, you investigated him first... is he always scum or something? Seems everyone wanted rid straight away! xD
Actually the reason I suggested Beskar was because he was at the bottom of the list (I was at teh top), that way we could just kill from bottom and up...
But... what is it with everyone's Beskar-obsession? The Thief immediately suggested Beskar as the first night kill, you investigated him first... is he always scum or something? Seems everyone wanted rid straight away! xD
It is why I can never win as a Mafia. I get investigated asap.
atheotes
02-17-2010, 18:11
It is why I can never win as a Mafia. I get investigated asap.
:tongue: I wanted to find your true role before you went "Vote: Atheates - he is always the mafia" :clown:
:tongue: I wanted to find your true role before you went "Vote: Atheates - he is always the mafia" :clown:
It is hilarious that you spelled your own name wrong. :beam:
And with a capital letter too!
What Pever is the world coming to?
I'm sorry for screwing up the town's victory with my sloppy posting :shame:
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