Interesting things in Hierosolyma

[Vasiliyi]

In my AS campaign, I built a lvl IV government and installed a client ruler. Being as its my border with the ptolmies, they attack it with a decent stack every couple years or so. My puppet ruler there has a very interesting trait though.

https://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7450/pothos.jpg

Apparently he really wants to see Makedonia. (His wish will never come true).

I have another FM who got the same trait. Rp-ing, i sent him to the Pella region, and then to Demetrios (all the way from Susa) and his trait didnt go away. Is it supposed to?



Also, I am really impressed with Jewish spearmen. They are just the toughest, cheapest thing ever. Fighting off the the Ptolmy hordes arent so bad when you have a few of them in your command.

Guarding on of my flanks, they took on 3 different units on without routing. (2 theurophoroi and 1 thorakitai) I simply couldnt believe that they made the thorakitai rout. Mind you, that i didnt charge the Thorakitai in the rear. On the other flank, the Jewish spearmen were holding their own to the Galatian heavy swordsmen that the Ptomies employ. Ive had much success with them in the past, but i didnt realize just how good they are.


Any one else been really impressed with a lower level unit?

[Macilrille]

As to the latter, have a look here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?112313-Surprisingly-Good-and-Bad-Units-1-2-Edition&highlight=surprisingly+good+units), should give you a few hours of reading ;-)

[Ludens]

Enough of the "my faction is better than your faction"-nonsense, guys.

Let's get back to topic.

[vartan]

Enough of the "my faction is better than your faction"-nonsense, guys.

Let's get back to topic.

I don't see a post claiming one is better than another. I just see a post on an anomalous trait that apparently didn't go away once the FM was sent to Makedon...

[Mulceber]

I don't see a post claiming one is better than another. I just see a post on an anomalous trait that apparently didn't go away once the FM was sent to Makedon...

This thread is 6 posts long. It used to be nine :wink3: -M

[vartan]

This thread is 6 posts long. It used to be nine :wink3: -M
No...NOW it is six posts long (mine is six).

[Mulceber]

Ah, whoops. anyway, my point is still valid. It's three posts shorter than it used to be. -M

[Macilrille]

Because some people were goading the Romanoiktoi and however much I dislike some of them and their attitude, there is no need to provoce them. So I poked Ludens and asked him to keep an eye on the thread. Apparently he thought it had already deviated too much and deleted the provocative statements.

Now, with that explained, time to discuss the FM in Hierosolyma. I say send him to Pella so he can see how barbaric it actually is compared to the civilised parts of Greece; Athens, etc then he will long to get home to his civilised Jewish subjects (I am sorry to say so, but Macs were barbarians on the fringe of civilisation for many a year. Then the Romans were, then the Franks, the Anglo-Saxons, etc., moving outwards from the original centres of civilisation; new, young and vital people got semi-civilised and exploded into the world each in their turn...).

[SwissBarbar]

Which was an extremely unnecessary act of you. These "Romaioiktonoi" do spam all over the forum, and if I make a simple - a little bit earthy - Joke, that the character better go to carthage than makedonia you think you have to prove, that you were correct, when you described yourself as "grumpy" in the thread "how old are you". My God, don't you have more serious problems to be concerned with? If I wouldn't know it better I'd almost think you're even proud of being such a nitpicker. It has nothing - n o t h i n g - to do with "my faction is better than yours", don't even know what gives Ludens the idea. I have no "faction", i played Makedonia as well as the Romans or Carthaginians - it was all fun.

[Macilrille]

That is your opinion.
Personally I think this place should be above the spamming and flame wars you find elsewhere just as EB is above other games/mods, and goading the Romanoiktoi will not achieve that, especially as they are actually behaving themselves these days.
But I believe (from empirical deduction and general experience) that they will react to the goading no matter whether you intend it as goading or not. And as the thread was turning ugly, I was obviously right. What you see as "fun" may be percieved as an offense by the reciever.

Further, reporting a thread does not mean it automatically gets closed or deleted. It means that a moderator will keep an eye on it, nothing more and as I have been specifically asked to do so because of my uncanny ability to notice the bifurcation points where threads turn ugly, I do so.

What you think of that and the way the moderators keep the forums clean is your choice.

[SwissBarbar]

That is your opinion.
Personally I think this place should be above the spamming and flame wars you find elsewhere just as EB is above other games/mods, and goading the Romanoiktoi will not achieve that, especially as they are actually behaving themselves these days.

Yes, exactly my point.... I was not goading any Romaioktonoi or however they are called. Never even said something about Rome being so great or whatever. It had nothing to do with Romaioktonoi - stuff.



But I believe (from empirical deduction and general experience) that they will react to the goading no matter whether you intend it as goading or not. And as the thread was turning ugly, I was obviously right. What you see as "fun" may be percieved as an offense by the reciever.

Which reciever, it was turned to the starter of this thread ... no Romaioktonoi



Further, reporting a thread does not mean it automatically gets closed or deleted. It means that a moderator will keep an eye on it, nothing more and as I have been specifically asked to do so because of my uncanny ability to notice the bifurcation points where threads turn ugly, I do so.

What you think of that and the way the moderators keep the forums clean is your choice.

Indeed

[Macilrille]

Yes, exactly my point.... I was not goading any Romaioktonoi or however they are called. Never even said something about Rome being so great or whatever. It had nothing to do with Romaioktonoi - stuff.

But, unless you have not read anything at all in these forums the past year, you know that 75% of the Romanoiktoi are also Philhellenes and especially Phil-Macedonians, so when writing something bad on Macedonia- even in jest. They usually react.


Which reciever, it was turned to the starter of this thread ... no Romaioktonoi

And you think that the reciever is the only one reading the thread?

Nothing more to say on the matter. I would suggest we got back talking about the Phil-Macedonian in Jerusalem.

[SwissBarbar]

But, unless you have not read anything at all in these forums the past year, you know that 75% of the Romanoiktoi are also Philhellenes and especially Phil-Macedonians, so when writing something bad on Macedonia- even in jest. They usually react.


Come on, they are no pansies, are they?






And you think that the reciever is the only one reading the thread?

Nothing more to say on the matter. I would suggest we got back talking about the Phil-Macedonian in Jerusalem.

Yaya, let's talk about the phil-makedonian. Let him go to Makedonia and then back to Jerusalem. The trait will not disappear, but you can RP it.

[Vasiliyi]

Actually, I happen to be a very loyal Romaioktonoi. The fact that I dont react to "faction" bashing anymore is because it is not allowed in the forums. That is to say, we have our own little forum the do enough of that in. Your right, we are better behaved now, and I think we might even continue to improve. And no, Swissbarbar, we are not Pansies.

Back to topic though, The Phil-makedonian will not be going anywhere. The war with Ptolmy has turned for the worse and they are not sending Large stacks of men at me, atleast once a year. Looks, like his dream wont be coming true.

[Blxz]

Jeez, history shows that the romans beat the greeks. And the germans beat the romans. And the islamic people beat the west (which was pretty much decended from germanic poeples) in the crusades and now the jews are beating the islamic people. Does that mean the jews are the most powerful people in the world?

Really, who cares? So what if the jews are the most powerful faction in the world? Why do people decide to form some group that is anti roman...? Its ALL tall poppy syndrome. People just hate whoever came out on top. If bill gates was just another nerd then he would get sympathy. Instead he is the master of the most annoying yet convinient operating systems in the world. And I will definately not post when I am drunk again because even now I don't know what point I am trying to make. But lets all try and pretend that it was a point well made and hope that ludens doesn't get shitty with me being almost totally off topic.

[vartan]

Jeez, history shows that the romans beat the greeks. And the germans beat the romans. And the islamic people beat the west (which was pretty much decended from germanic poeples) in the crusades and now the jews are beating the islamic people. Does that mean the jews are the most powerful people in the world?

Really, who cares? So what if the jews are the most powerful faction in the world? Why do people decide to form some group that is anti roman...? Its ALL tall poppy syndrome. People just hate whoever came out on top. If bill gates was just another nerd then he would get sympathy. Instead he is the master of the most annoying yet convinient operating systems in the world. And I will definately not post when I am drunk again because even now I don't know what point I am trying to make. But lets all try and pretend that it was a point well made and hope that ludens doesn't get shitty with me being almost totally off topic.
Simple. Jews will be beat by _______. And just RP dude. Sheesh.

[Ludens]

I thought I had replied to this thread yesterday, but apparently I forgot. SwissBarbar, if you are upset that your posts were deleted, you can yell at me. I deleted several posts, not because they were bad in themselves, but because I thought the thread would derail into pro/contra Macedonia arguing. Maybe it would not have, but I judged it better to delete a few posts that did not address the OP's point rather than risk it. I am sorry that it upset you.

Several people here feel very strongly about the Romaioktonoi, but most Romaioktonoi keep the Rome bashing to their own group. It's not like it was back in the summer. If you still feel someone is spamming or trying to derail threads, use the report button.

[SwissBarbar]

I won't yell at you, you're making your job, that's ok. I mean, it was not a very sophisticated poem or important piece of literature that I posted there, so no problem ;-) Actually the only thing that did upset me, was Macilrille being so incredibly quibble about my post, but well... so be it. In the strict sense it was Off Topic (though contentswise related), so you - as Mod - were technically right to delete this stuff, but a little joke here and there should be no problem - at least that's my opinion.