The future for Northern Ireland

[Rhyfelwyr]

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[Aemilius Paulus]

I do not mean to be a whiner, but can you please insert paragraph spaces? It is a good rule to not make any single paragraph too long, or the audience will simply lose interest. For the sake of the discussion, I am sure you would rather have more people read your OP. I know this is not noticeable when writing, but believe me, it is when you have to read it without previously writing the same post.

Sorry again:sweatdrop:, just thought you may find this a useful suggestion.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I think the people of Northern Ireland have had enough, thankyou very much. They've done the whole "armed struggle" thing and in the end that probably held up the NI Assembly more than helped it. With Westminster increasingly willing to devolve power there is less and less reason to actually fight.

After all, you need more than just the paramilitaries involved to keep a terrorist movement going.

Which brings us to the neat point of the foolish Muslims pulling all the Christians together, Oops.

As far as Scotland goes though, I think you have too many nationalistic idiots who have no concept of what real suffering is and too much time on their hands.

[Rhyfelwyr]

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[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

But the hardliners on either side don't want devolution. Plus, there was a BBC artice recently where a guy that got shot by RAAD admitted that most people still support these dissident groups. Everyone isn't happy with power sharing on the political scene either, look at the recent rise of the TUV for example.

Ultimately it's not about the hard-liners, it's about the masses. Devolution makes it harder for either side's fanatics to make common cause with the man in the street. The disbandment of the RUC and the military drawdown likewise hamper the ideologues.

[Rhyfelwyr]

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[Centurion1]

So there is a major movement in scotland to leave britian? Is it like that in Wales as well. Gosh i dont even want to think what would happen to that nation if it split apart like that. Don't people see it is best as it is.

[Furunculus]

So there is a major movement in scotland to leave britian? Is it like that in Wales as well. Gosh i dont even want to think what would happen to that nation if it split apart like that. Don't people see it is best as it is.

sadly not all of them.

but i suspect that alex salmonds arc-of-insolvency has done a lot to deflate the foolish cry of "FREEDOM!!!!" among those with more than two brain-cells to rub together.

[johnhughthom]

Ultimately it's not about the hard-liners, it's about the masses.

Unfortunately that is not the case. For example the majority of people I know don't feel strongly about parading, indeed I (from a Unionist background) think parading through the likes of Drumcree is wrong, yet the DUP have made this an essential part of any justice/policing devolution agreement.

[Pannonian]

But the hardliners on either side don't want devolution. Plus, there was a BBC artice recently where a guy that got shot by RAAD admitted that most people still support these dissident groups. Everyone isn't happy with power sharing on the political scene either, look at the recent rise of the TUV for example.


It's the Scotch-Unionist Volunteers (SUVs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_utility_vehicle)) I worry about. They're especially popular in America, from what I hear. One can argue they are mainly driven by the Americans.

[Rhyfelwyr]

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[Rhyfelwyr]

It's the Scotch-Unionist Volunteers (SUVs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_utility_vehicle)) I worry about. They're especially popular in America, from what I hear. One can argue they are mainly driven by the Americans.

lol. I'm not sure what your point is though given the bit you bolded... do you not take the TUV seriously as potentially causing a 3-way split in unionism?

[Centurion1]

lol. I'm not sure what your point is though given the bit you bolded... do you not take the TUV seriously as potentially causing a 3-way split in unionism?

HAHA hilarious hes talking about SUV's or sport utility vehicles which are very popular in america (think landrover, suburban,xterra, etc.)

[gaelic cowboy]

sadly not all of them.

but i suspect that alex salmonds arc-of-insolvency has done a lot to deflate the foolish cry of "FREEDOM!!!!" among those with more than two brain-cells to rub together.

It precisely that kind of foolish analysis of your colonies that ends up causing you lot to lose them. British people but in reality English people claimed that nationlism was dangerous while their imperialism was benign conveniently forgetting that the imperialism is the most extreme form of nationalism.

[gaelic cowboy]

The thing is, it seems to be the masses that are the hardliners.

I would agree with this we can see this in the collapse of the moderate SDLP coinciding with the Sinn Fein rise


fundamentalism is on the rise (in particular, the idea of British Israelism is gaining ground amongst loyalists).

This is really not a new phenomenon the IRA had links to Middle East since the late sixties early seventies this was not unique to Ireland and was mainly a result of the ease of training in such areas and the rise of Arab nationlism. So naturally the opposite community supported the enemy of the percieved friend of there enemy.


Personally, I would be surprised if it did, beyond a few RIRA bombs or whatever. I don't believe serious violence will ever come to Scotland either.

I would not be surprised either but I feel it is not likely to undermine the peace in the North as the RIRA are seriously small and riddled with informers.