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The Stranger
02-08-2010, 23:09
has anyone seen that show?
a lot of bs, but still quite entertaining :P
today they put a 15th century knight vs a 17th century pirate.
they ran some tests, completely overestimated the pirate's grenade. I have to say the blunderbus was quite nasty but cmon, you cant seriously believe a pirate will defeat a fully armoured knight in hand to hand combat. besides on land, put 10 knights vs 10 pirates and the knights win every single time.
i hope the next episode is conan the barbarian vs Luke Skywalker.
any one want to make bets?
Megas Methuselah
02-08-2010, 23:45
It's kind of like 300. Just throw all knowledge and common sense out the window, and you'll likely enjoy it. Wish I still had the history channel.
Owen Glyndwr
02-09-2010, 00:15
It's times like this when I wish I still watched History channel:confused:
My friends and I made up a fun game though. Everyone sits around the tv and guesses what type of program will be on history channel (usually Nostradamus, Templars, Masons, WWII, etc.), and then we turn on the tv and find out.
It's a pretty fun waste of about 1 minute, and it's a great betting game too :laugh4:
Aemilius Paulus
02-09-2010, 01:55
I have heard of it, I checked its Wikipedia entry and it struck me as too messed-up and what I generally call OMG teh MILITARY PWNS!!11 - there are plenty of programs of that nature, as much as some of those programs are attempting to make themselves sound serious, as if they did not know only military-obsessed 13 year olds watch them... The scenario is so implausible that the show is nothing but pure entertainment fodder no different from anything else, save its veil.
Military porn would be a good name, because of the similarities. Just like History Channel is history porn and Discovery Channels are science porn. Neither actually feature real stuff.
Not that I condemn anyone watching the stuff. But getting engrossed in it is not a positive thing IMHO... Not negative either, but simply rubbish.
This Onion article (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/science_channel_refuses_to_dumb) (WARNING: one F-word, Onion always swears :grin:) captures much of my feelings on Discovery-type channels:
SILVER SPRING, MD
Frustrated by continued demands from viewers for more awesome and extreme programming, Science Channel president Clark Bunting told reporters Tuesday that his cable network was "completely incapable" of watering down science any further than it already had. [U]
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An ad for the Science Channel's easy-to-pronounce gourd-launching show, Punkin Chunkin.
"Look, we've tried, we really have, but it's simply not possible to set the bar any lower," said a visibly exhausted Bunting, adding that he "could not in good conscience" make science any more mindless or insultingly juvenile. "We already have a show called Really Big Things, which is just ridiculous if you think about it, and one called Heavy Metal Taskforce, which I guess deals with science on some distant level, though I don't know what it is. Plus, there's Punkin Chunkin."
"Punkin Chunkin, for Christ's sake," added Bunting, referring to the popular program in which contestants launch oversized pumpkins into the air using catapults. "What more do you people want?"
Along with Bunting's remarks, the Science Channel issued a statement claiming that it currently airs more than 150 programming hours that are tangentially, and often laughably, related to science, and that staff members are unable to bring themselves to make those hours even more asinine.
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Test audiences responded poorly to the show's "overly-scientific" method of dropping a bear 300 feet.
Debbie Myers, general manager of the Science Channel, said the cable station has maintained a balance of 5 percent science content and 95 percent mind-numbing drivel over the past few years, and that this was as far as they were willing to go.
"At this point, having the word 'how' in a show's title is about as close to scientific investigation as we get," Myers said. "In fact, I don't even know how we can justify airing a show like Mantracker at all. A cowboy hunts contestants down using his trailing skills? I guess you could say it makes the audience use 'observation' by watching what happens on screen."
"Observation is a part of science, right?" Myers added. "Jesus Christ."
A survey of the network's current schedule confirmed Monday that on-air demonstrations of such basic scientific principles as "inertia" and "momentum" are mostly relegated to pushing a blindfolded participant strapped to an office chair down a steep hill, while other concepts, such as "sublimation," are regularly demonstrated by strapping dynamite to a large fiberglass Big Boy statue and then watching it explode.
As evidence of their refusal to further water down programming, network sources pointed to a number of proposed shows they've abandoned in recent weeks, including an animal-based bungee-jumping program called Extreme Gravity, and Atom Smashers, a series that was was roundly rejected by focus groups as being "too technical" and "not awesome enough."
"People liked that the particle accelerators were really huge, but apparently the show didn't have enough smashing to hold their interest," said a former employee who wished to remain anonymous. "In the end, it was either add a huge monster truck for no reason whatsoever or pull the plug on the entire project. Honestly, I don't think I'd be able to face my wife and children had we gone through with it."
While they won't be dumbing down their already crude lineup of shows, Science Channel officials assured viewers that the network will continue to cater to the lowest common denominator and will keep airing embarrassingly base content completely stripped of all intellectual integrity. Officials also noted that the cable channel greatly values the 18- to 45-year-old demographic of louts, clods, and empty-headed dumb:daisy:.
"I don't like it when the science people talk about things no one can even understand," said Rich Parker, an Ohio resident. "It's like, just quit your yapping and dip the chain saw into the liquid nitrogen already."
David Zaslav, CEO of the network's parent company, Discovery Communications, said he has not ruled out rebranding the Science Channel as the Stuff Channel.http://www.theonion.com/content/themes/onion/assets/terminator.gif
Centurion1
02-09-2010, 04:43
eh its mindless entertainment at its worst. i think the results are ridiculous and they don't take into account certain things. like whent he green beret fights like some spetsnaz or something. i dont care how good your "hand to hand" combat is the dude with the faster finger probably going to win.
totally ridiculous and TS are you kidding pirates would win men stopped wearing armor because of guns..... which pirates had. Screw grenades pirate pulls out a pistol and shoots the knight from point blank range. unless the knight can dodge bullets cause yah know that armor makes you move so fast.
Hooahguy
02-09-2010, 04:44
the military channel is so much better than the history channel.
Centurion1
02-09-2010, 05:15
the military channel is so much better than the history channel.
amen brother. absolutely though they have alot of reruns. the military reenactments late at night are amazing by the way. (they do like rome and stuff)
a completely inoffensive name
02-09-2010, 05:39
I can't get enough of the history channel: 10% Ice Road Truckers, 10% Ax Men, 30% Nostradamus and 50% Modern Marvels. Such a nice change from their previous line up of 90% Hitler, 10% Nazi Gold.
Hooahguy
02-09-2010, 06:48
'scuse me, how does Ax men or ice road truckers pertain to HISTORY?????
lame.
a completely inoffensive name
02-09-2010, 06:52
'scuse me, how does Ax men or ice road truckers pertain to HISTORY?????
lame.
Haven't you even seen the History Channel's new slogan? "History is made everyday." I just danced to "Tik Tok" by Kesha, that's history right there. I better put that on my Twitter account so this event is not lost to the sands of time.
Hooahguy
02-09-2010, 07:16
there are much bigger things making history than some guys cutting down trees.
a completely inoffensive name
02-09-2010, 07:50
there are much bigger things making history than some guys cutting down trees.
Umm that's why it's 30% Nostradamus and 10% Ax Men and not the other way around, i think the history channel would have their priorities straight man. Don't be second guessing the administration, we are at war.
The Stranger
02-09-2010, 10:29
eh its mindless entertainment at its worst. i think the results are ridiculous and they don't take into account certain things. like whent he green beret fights like some spetsnaz or something. i dont care how good your "hand to hand" combat is the dude with the faster finger probably going to win.
totally ridiculous and TS are you kidding pirates would win men stopped wearing armor because of guns..... which pirates had. Screw grenades pirate pulls out a pistol and shoots the knight from point blank range. unless the knight can dodge bullets cause yah know that armor makes you move so fast.
i said hand to hand combat... and besides they tested the guns, and it didnt even made a dent in the knights armour. 1 on 1 they stand no chance. they didnt stopped wearing armour and such until after napoleon. knights however stopped being effective after mass pike and crossbow/musket tactics. no matter how good a fighter or how heavily armoured, 300 knights cant stand up against 500 crossbows protected by 500 pikes.
the blunderbus however was totally devastating... i didnt expect that.
CountArach
02-09-2010, 11:24
As Ross Noble pointed out:
What is a pirate's main weapon? Let's say a cannon. That requires lighting a match. What have pirates got? Hooks.
This thread is now history. I mean that in the good sense, of course. Someday historians will make a reality show about guys talking about reality shows on the internet tubes.
Meanwhile, going back to the topic of Deadliest Warrior, I think you'll be shocked to learn that you can ask the world's deadliest warrior any question you like, and he will answer, for free (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdS5lkeN8_8).
I'm not a big fan, never seen a knight win any competition there, makes me angry...
[rest of rant deleted]
It's a fun show, I just wish they would put a rudimentary effort into making it believable. I don't care if you have a gun, you're not getting up once you've been brained with a mace.
Also, why do shields only matter when the show decides they do? It was huge in the Spartan/Ninja and Wallace/Zulu fights, but almost useless in the Viking/Samurai and Gladiator/Apache fights.
Not really a fan of the History Channel.
The Stranger
02-10-2010, 14:43
It's a fun show, I just wish they would put a rudimentary effort into making it believable. I don't care if you have a gun, you're not getting up once you've been brained with a mace.
Also, why do shields only matter when the show decides they do? It was huge in the Spartan/Ninja and Wallace/Zulu fights, but almost useless in the Viking/Samurai and Gladiator/Apache fights.
yeah... that pirate got a morningstar in his face 2x... and the dude just got up :P
besides the pirates granate didnt even penetrate armor and still they said it was a great weapon... lame as hell.
A show which creates fantasy scenarios where the Taliban and IRA are rated based on their "skill" in combat? Footage of terrorist attacks carried out by the IRA met with cries of "Woah, that's AWESOME"? Eat **** and Die History Channel.
IRA would obviously beat the Taliban. They are smart enough to know not to blow themselves up.
Aemilius Paulus
02-10-2010, 18:37
IRA would obviously beat the Taliban. They are smart enough to know not to blow themselves up.
Heh, good point. I read they were pretty high-tech for a force of insurgents, making wide use of radio-controlled weapons and explosives.
Abokasee
02-10-2010, 20:17
Blood Angels Space Marine VS Angry Texan with a M1Garand please.
Megas Methuselah
02-10-2010, 21:03
Street thug gangbanger from da holly-hood vs a wild viking beserker from da norf norf.
Centurion1
02-11-2010, 03:11
IRA would obviously beat the Taliban. They are smart enough to know not to blow themselves up.
ha
did they really have an episode on that. oh cool lets just romanticize terrorists some more.
Megas Methuselah
02-11-2010, 06:34
ha
did they really have an episode on that. oh cool lets just romanticize terrorists some more.
Haha. But in all honesty, it was actually a fun episode. Not like that knight and pirate thing, which wasn't as good.
The Wizard
02-11-2010, 18:35
I view this as an epic troll by the History Channel. Have they aired the infamous "Knight v. Samurai" yet?
Centurion1
02-11-2010, 18:45
Knight would obviously win that. Samurai would be torn apart. There weapons and armor couldnt match the knights design. Samurai armor would be wrecked by the blunt force trauma knight believed in. Samurais sword while superior quality would have no effect being a slashing weapon. Then the european destrier against samurais steeds (if they even had one), they would be bowled over. Finally sure samurai has a bow but it probably wouldnt be effective enough.
My moneys on the knight in plate armor wielding a spiked morningstar.
i almost guarantee they give it to the samurai because he can meditate.
Yaropolk
02-11-2010, 18:47
You forget about the KANABO!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanab%C5%8D
The Wizard
02-11-2010, 21:29
Knight would obviously win that. Samurai would be torn apart. There weapons and armor couldnt match the knights design. Samurai armor would be wrecked by the blunt force trauma knight believed in. Samurais sword while superior quality would have no effect being a slashing weapon. Then the european destrier against samurais steeds (if they even had one), they would be bowled over. Finally sure samurai has a bow but it probably wouldnt be effective enough.
My moneys on the knight in plate armor wielding a spiked morningstar.
i almost guarantee they give it to the samurai because he can meditate.
And I wasn't even trying :laugh4:
Aemilius Paulus
02-11-2010, 21:40
And I wasn't even trying :laugh4:
Indeed :laugh4::laugh4:
Centurion1
02-11-2010, 22:14
oh come on look at the forum your on. you could post that anywhere on this site and get a response.
Aemilius Paulus
02-11-2010, 22:43
oh come on look at the forum your on. you could post that anywhere on this site and get a response.
True, but
:laugh:
Sorry, it is that is still amusing, even if what you said in the post I quoted is entirely true. And Heavens forbid The Wizard posts in the EB Forum...
Centurion1
02-11-2010, 22:51
i regret nothing.
Aemilius Paulus
02-11-2010, 22:55
i regret nothing.
:drama2:
EDIT: Shoot, now I have to post a three-page analysis in the Backroom to compensate for this preposterously brief post :sad:
Centurion1
02-11-2010, 23:01
good i enjoy most of your posts, i eagerly await your response.
Aemilius Paulus
02-12-2010, 00:24
good i enjoy most of your posts, i eagerly await your response.
But, but... But I w-was j-j-joking...
:shame:
Hey, Lemur, do you happen to know the character limit on regular posts?
THe best part of the show, though, is watching the pissing matches between the experts. The Spartan vs. Ninja one was pretty good in that regard.
Knight would obviously win that. Samurai would be torn apart. There weapons and armor couldnt match the knights design. Samurai armor would be wrecked by the blunt force trauma knight believed in. Samurais sword while superior quality would have no effect being a slashing weapon. Then the european destrier against samurais steeds (if they even had one), they would be bowled over. Finally sure samurai has a bow but it probably wouldnt be effective enough.
My moneys on the knight in plate armor wielding a spiked morningstar.
i almost guarantee they give it to the samurai because he can meditate.
That's my boy! :laugh4:
Well, they did that here and the Samurai won IIRC, I think he could get through the obstacle course faster and when hung onto a puppet his armour could withstand an arrow.
Then again knight is not knight, the first armoured riders of the Franks were certainly different from the knights in the first crusade and the ones with plate armour.
Did I already mention that someone posted a good comparison by a guy who knows a lot about swordfighting?
I guess it was this one: http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm (incidentally the first google result)
A Very Super Market
02-12-2010, 05:48
I view this as an epic troll by the History Channel. Have they aired the infamous "Knight v. Samurai" yet?
In a shocking twist, it was Viking vs. Samurai, for reasons that could only be attributed to an attraction to the mystic of the East and an interest in big flipping axes.
The Wizard
02-12-2010, 14:33
oh come on look at the forum your on. you could post that anywhere on this site and get a response.
You can post that anywhere period and get 500+ responses
The only thing better is WILL IT TAKE OFF?
Centurion1
02-12-2010, 16:35
In a shocking twist, it was Viking vs. Samurai, for reasons that could only be attributed to an attraction to the mystic of the East and an interest in big flipping axes.
all that depends is whether that big honking axe makes contact.
By the way husar that's a really good essay. im thoroughly enjoying it :bow:
so you guys get different episodes in europe?
Space ninja versus cat ninja?
seireikhaan
02-12-2010, 19:03
Ok, I'll admit that History Channel has gone downhill quite a bit. However, this particular show is not on the history channel. Its on Spike TV. :inquisitive:
edit: and for those not familiar with it, this is the same station that creates stellar pieces of art like Manswers (http://www.spike.com/show/22792).
so you guys get different episodes in europe?
No, but our TV stations sooner or later copy everything bad from America, Britain etc.
We had a show called "Galileo" that was like a documentary about different topics etc. Now it's, well it does comparisons like this etc. and they added a show called "Galileo Mystery" around the time the Da Vinci Code was the newest shizzle.
On a different channel they had a show called "Quarks & Co." and that was rather "dry" treachings about physics with professors going through all the maths etc. Nowadays it's more like a documentary with a moderator as well but they still seem to reasearch their topics well, so I like it.
Megas Methuselah
02-12-2010, 22:14
Ok, I'll admit that History Channel has gone downhill quite a bit. However, this particular show is not on the history channel. Its on Spike TV. :inquisitive:
edit: and for those not familiar with it, this is the same station that creates stellar pieces of art like Manswers (http://www.spike.com/show/22792).
Whaaaaaaatevah. The history channel and spikeTV are practically the same damn thing nowadays, anyways.
And Manswers is a really good show, don't diss it.
Centurion1
02-13-2010, 00:19
i love manswers.......
The Wizard
02-13-2010, 19:24
No, but our TV stations sooner or later copy everything bad from America, Britain etc.
We had a show called "Galileo" that was like a documentary about different topics etc. Now it's, well it does comparisons like this etc. and they added a show called "Galileo Mystery" around the time the Da Vinci Code was the newest shizzle.
On a different channel they had a show called "Quarks & Co." and that was rather "dry" treachings about physics with professors going through all the maths etc. Nowadays it's more like a documentary with a moderator as well but they still seem to reasearch their topics well, so I like it.
Some of the bad stuff is European (like Big Brother)...
Some of the bad stuff is European (like Big Brother)...
But it's not german, it's dutch. ~D
And i was mostly thinking of the stuff for the younger age groups, if we're talking older people then yes, we have some really horrible inventions of our own.
The Wizard
02-14-2010, 00:42
Don't blame us, you guys brought the world Schlager
Has anyone watched this show? I saw some of the old shows on their website when a friend recommended it to me. It has to be the worst TV show I have ever seen. What a load of BS!
Darn, I feel myself wanting to punch Geiger in the head!
I'd really love to hate this show, but the truth is, it's fantastic dumb entertainment. That's about all I can say about it without going into a spergout of cosmic proportions.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126189-Deadliest-Warrior&daysprune=-1
:pimp2:
The Stranger
05-08-2010, 11:48
yeah... dont steal my threads!!!
Rhyfelwyr
05-08-2010, 13:56
Never seen it, but it looks pretty funny from that other thread.
Might not suit the history buffs but it would be pretty entertaining to watch a 17th century pirate fight against a 15th century knight. :laugh4:
yeah... dont steal my threads!!!
lol, sorry. :P I didn't see your thread.
Did you see the aftermath of Attila vs. Alexander? Someone pointed out that Alexander was a superior commander and they justified their decision by saying that what really mattered was 1v1 skill. A question a little while later in the show pointed out that Alexander was a far superior 1v1 fighter, and they admitted that it was the truth but justified their decision saying that Attila's style of command made up for it and that 1v1 didn't really matter that much!
lol, how can people see that and not notice the stupidity, hypocrisy, and BS.
I am gonna be setting up a Max Geiger gel dummy in my back yard and testing my shotty on it. :beam:
Centurion1
05-08-2010, 14:41
i cannot stand that show so much. its all about the eastern mysticism as someone said dumb mindless entertainment. the more mysterious a certain fighter is the better their chances of winning are.
meaning: samurai beats EVERYTHING
cannot stand the show.
meaning: samurai beats EVERYTHING
Except ninjas of course. Ninjas are unbeatable, didn't you know? :rolleyes:
seireikhaan
05-08-2010, 18:02
meaning: samurai beats EVERYTHING
Except a Spartan with a steel xiphos.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-08-2010, 20:14
Samuri vs Viking was pretty silly. In real life the Viking would kneel behind his shield when the Samuri used his bow, and he'd have to face the Viking's spear in close quarters, not just as a thrown weapon (typically Northmen carried 3-4 "spears" into battle, or had their servant carry them).
Knight vs Pirate was also silly, the Knight didn't have a crossbow.
Samuri vs Viking was pretty silly. In real life the Viking would kneel behind his shield when the Samuri used his bow, and he'd have to face the Viking's spear in close quarters, not just as a thrown weapon (typically Northmen carried 3-4 "spears" into battle, or had their servant carry them).
Knight vs Pirate was also silly, the Knight didn't have a crossbow.
Did you ever see ThegnThrand's videos on YouTube? He spends a lot of time (probably too much) describing things like what you say.
Does anyone else notice that in every episode, there has to be at least one completely ridiculous weapon? The spit of poison and the ball and chain from the Shaka/Wallace episode come readily to mind...
And don't even get me started on the fact that they spent a quarter of the show touting Alexander's unarmed combat abilities and then had him lose to Atilla the moment he lost his sword.
Megas Methuselah
05-08-2010, 21:13
THe best part of the show, though, is watching the pissing matches between the experts. The Spartan vs. Ninja one was pretty good in that regard.
It's actually a bit sad to see them get so emotional about it.
Megas Methuselah
05-08-2010, 21:15
Samuri vs Viking was pretty silly. In real life the Viking would kneel behind his shield when the Samuri used his bow, and he'd have to face the Viking's spear in close quarters, not just as a thrown weapon (typically Northmen carried 3-4 "spears" into battle, or had their servant carry them).
Knight vs Pirate was also silly, the Knight didn't have a crossbow.
Yeah, I noticed that the computer program they use (among other reasons) to determine the victor limits the reality of the fight.
Crazed Rabbit
05-08-2010, 22:03
Yeah, I noticed that the computer program they use (among other reasons) to determine the victor limits the reality of the fight.
I think they just use excel, with some formulas and randomness.
The whole thing is so absurd to me that it can't even be shallow entertainment.
CR
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-08-2010, 22:03
Did you ever see ThegnThrand's videos on YouTube? He spends a lot of time (probably too much) describing things like what you say.
Does anyone else notice that in every episode, there has to be at least one completely ridiculous weapon? The spit of poison and the ball and chain from the Shaka/Wallace episode come readily to mind...
And don't even get me started on the fact that they spent a quarter of the show touting Alexander's unarmed combat abilities and then had him lose to Atilla the moment he lost his sword.
Alexander is an interesting one to do, because we aren't sure what size he was. He may have been as short as 4'10. Ball and Chain (Bishop's knocker) is an excellent weapon, but the choice of the Zulu team to use "spit of poisen" clearly screwed them. As I understand it the "teams" put foward the weapon set themselves.
So the Vikings could have used the Longbow, or Long Axe, instead of throwing thrusting spears and using the Great Axe. Also labelling the shield "special" was absurd. The throwing axe is much more a special weapon. That whole fight was a duff match up, because the Samauri is elite, and they pitted him against what was basically a Viking Carl. They also totally underplayed the dicipline of Viking warriors (men who fought in the shieldwall.)
Sorry, rant over.
Alexander is an interesting one to do, because we aren't sure what size he was. He may have been as short as 4'10. Ball and Chain (Bishop's knocker) is an excellent weapon, but the choice of the Zulu team to use "spit of poisen" clearly screwed them. As I understand it the "teams" put foward the weapon set themselves.
So the Vikings could have used the Longbow, or Long Axe, instead of throwing thrusting spears and using the Great Axe. Also labelling the shield "special" was absurd. The throwing axe is much more a special weapon. That whole fight was a duff match up, because the Samauri is elite, and they pitted him against what was basically a Viking Carl. They also totally underplayed the dicipline of Viking warriors (men who fought in the shieldwall.)
Sorry, rant over.
Well, as a history buff, I enjoy seeing rants of this nature. :beam:
Speaking of which, if it's not too off-topic, I'd like to ask if you know any good books on Viking culture and warfare. I've asked this question many times, and am usually told to go read Osprey, and since you're an EB member you likely have a better grasp of history than the average person, even if this particular topic isn't your focus.
Centurion1
05-09-2010, 01:09
Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.
seriously though good books.
The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.
watching this show just pisses me off so much.
its like bash western european fighters contest.
Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.
and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.
Kagemusha
05-09-2010, 04:03
Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.
seriously though good books.
The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.
watching this show just pisses me off so much.
its like bash western european fighters contest.
Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.
and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.
Actually most of japanese armies consisted of Ashigaru foot soldiers. Other then that the show only has entertainment value,nothing more nothing less.
Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.
seriously though good books.
The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.
watching this show just pisses me off so much.
its like bash western european fighters contest.
Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.
and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.
I agree whole-heartedly. I think guys like this are where they draw their pool of experts: http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=73364
The worst was the Shaolin Monk vs. Maori Warrior. What an insult to the Shaolin to even consider such a match. The Shaolin are so many miles above them in the skill level and sophistication of fighting and fighting techniques, and has weapons that were infinitely superior. It is like putting a US Marine against an unarmed 14 year old school girl...it is not even a fight, it is a slaughter.
I just don't understand why they cut the monk down so much in the show. (or why he was even on the show, him not being a warrior :P)
Also I think the Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu episode is going to be a pretty good acid test of their eastern bias. I mean, you're pitting one of the most psychotically brutal warriors in history (with a 2000 year technology advantage to boot) against a strategist with no record of ever having been in actual combat. Mark my words, it's going to be the most lopsided episode they've ever done.
Also I think the Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu episode is going to be a pretty good acid test of their eastern bias. I mean, you're pitting one of the most psychotically brutal warriors in history (with a 2000 year technology advantage to boot) against a strategist with no record of ever having been in actual combat. Mark my words, it's going to be the most lopsided episode they've ever done.
Are they seriously doing that? Why do they always have to make the most mentally retarded match-ups ever! How is this for an excellent match-up? Hwarang vs 1st Century Parthian Cataphract?
THAT would be a bad-@$$ showdown. :P I am sure that they would find a way to mess it up though. :P
Centurion1
05-09-2010, 23:35
the thign is vuk they dont know what a hwarang is or where parthia is on a map.
my predicted next match up
briton head hurler vs. roman arcani.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-10-2010, 00:07
Well, as a history buff, I enjoy seeing rants of this nature. :beam:
Speaking of which, if it's not too off-topic, I'd like to ask if you know any good books on Viking culture and warfare. I've asked this question many times, and am usually told to go read Osprey, and since you're an EB member you likely have a better grasp of history than the average person, even if this particular topic isn't your focus.
Books on any period in history are necessarily populist. Most actually good work is in journal articles, but if you don't have a university library that doesn't help.
Generally, avoid osprey and anything written before about 1995, as Victorian mythos did not begin to shift before then. It's actually the publisher you need to look at, Universitry Press books, D.S. Brewer, Blackwell. Names like that.
Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.
seriously though good books.
The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.
watching this show just pisses me off so much.
its like bash western european fighters contest.
Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.
and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.
Ronin were Ronin, not Samurai, that's a contradiction in terms. As to the status of Samurai generally, it depends on the period, but generally Samurai are proffesional soldiers, while the Viking they depicted was more of the level of an itinerant raider.
Centurion1
05-10-2010, 03:35
A Robin is a debased samurai like a hedge Knight. Then they should have used like a thegn versus a daimyo to be precise and yeah I guess they were like professional soldiers but in many cases they didn't even have horses or the archetypes armor
Megas Methuselah
05-10-2010, 04:42
Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.
I enjoy his Saxon Series, too. Can't wait to purchase his latest book.
Centurion1
05-10-2010, 12:08
Sorry that's the one I meant did you read the burning land yet?
Megas Methuselah
05-10-2010, 12:38
Naw not yet, but holy damn, I can't wait! I'll likely buy it later today, 'cuz I don't work this Monday and I'll be out shoppin! Been so busy with uni finals and starting my job this past month or two.
Centurion1
05-10-2010, 12:44
Oh its reallyyyyyy good and now I can't wait for the next one. Uhtreds mah boy
Generally, avoid osprey and anything written before about 1995, as Victorian mythos did not begin to shift before then. It's actually the publisher you need to look at, Universitry Press books, D.S. Brewer, Blackwell. Names like that.
Off topic slightly: I'm looking for a respectable book on the history of modern Vietnam (1600 onwards-ish), but I can't find anything on Amazon. Do you have any ideas?
A Robin is a debased samurai like a hedge Knight. Then they should have used like a thegn versus a daimyo to be precise and yeah I guess they were like professional soldiers but in many cases they didn't even have horses or the archetypes armor
Many Samurai went podgy and fat towards the end of the Edo period, particularly in Edo itself.
Don't miss Deadlier Warrior, coming soon to a Youtube channel near you! ~;)
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Happy to report that the scripts for the first three episodes have been written and all seven of the others are thoroughly planned out! Shooting starts on the beginning of next month! You will be seeing the first previews of Deadlier Warrior within a month!
I gotta say, I was expecting the Nazi vs Vietcong episode to be the cheesiest they've ever done, but it wasn't half as bad as I expected. I guess nothing will ever top IRA vs Taliban for complete retardation.
Intranetusa
06-06-2010, 18:08
Also I think the Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu episode is going to be a pretty good acid test of their eastern bias. I mean, you're pitting one of the most psychotically brutal warriors in history (with a 2000 year technology advantage to boot) against a strategist with no record of ever having been in actual combat. Mark my words, it's going to be the most lopsided episode they've ever done.
Eastern bias? What the hell is eastern bias? Eastern "hemisphere" bias as in geographic Africa and all of Eurasia?
Or do you mean "Eastern" as in you lumping together a bajillion different civilizations an cultures together that have absolutely nothing in common, and call them eastern just because they happen to be east of the Greece?
Don't forget how the Spartan beat both the ninja and samurai.
Intranetusa
06-06-2010, 18:08
the thign is vuk they dont know what a hwarang is or where parthia is on a map.
my predicted next match up
briton head hurler vs. roman arcani.
Fictional British units and fictional Roman ninjas.
If they are headed down that road, they might as well go for Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee, or Superman vs Hulk on the last season.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
06-06-2010, 23:20
Fictional British units and fictional Roman ninjas.
If they are headed down that road, they might as well go for Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee, or Superman vs Hulk on the last season.
Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee has been done.
Bruce snapped Chuck's neck.
Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee has been done.
Bruce snapped Chuck's neck.
Good fight though, fairly even the entire way!
or Superman vs Hulk on the last season.
Superman all the way! He doesn't tire with a yellow sun! Unless, of course, the Hulk has kryptonite...then he wins! So that one is not so close, depends on outside variables! :) :P
Intranetusa
06-07-2010, 04:24
Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee has been done.
Bruce snapped Chuck's neck.
Good fight though, fairly even the entire way!
Rawr, indeed it was. But I suspect neither were fighting at their full potential (otherwise the world could've been destroyed).
Nonetheless, I'd say an old Chuck Norris with hair migrated from his chest to his chin VS the Ghost of Bruce Lee would be an interesting matchup.
Superman all the way! He doesn't tire with a yellow sun! Unless, of course, the Hulk has kryptonite...then he wins! So that one is not so close, depends on outside variables! :) :P
I wonder what the raw physical strength of each contestant is? I've seen both Superman and the Hulk pick up and throw tanks around like baseballs.
Long range: Superman heat rays, Hulk picks stuff up and throws it at you (more often than superman)
Medium Range: Superman tornado/ice storm breath, Hulk thunderclap shockwave
Short Range: Superman super punches/kicks, Hulk super punch/kick/smash
Megas Methuselah
06-07-2010, 04:49
Oh, geez... :rolleyes:
Eastern bias? What the hell is eastern bias? Eastern "hemisphere" bias as in geographic Africa and all of Eurasia?
Or do you mean "Eastern" as in you lumping together a bajillion different civilizations an cultures together that have absolutely nothing in common, and call them eastern just because they happen to be east of the Greece?
Don't forget how the Spartan beat both the ninja and samurai.
Save the sweeping, trolling generalizations for the SpikeTV boards, if you would.
Long range: Superman heat rays, Hulk picks stuff up and throws it at you (more often than superman)
Medium Range: Superman tornado/ice storm breath, Hulk thunderclap shockwave
Short Range: Superman super punches/kicks, Hulk super punch/kick/smash
OK. Superman at long range, Superman at medium range and Hulk at short range. Not counting kryptonite. What is Hulk's weakness?
What about superfriends vs. legion of doom?
Sick of the mentally retarded match-ups and ridiculous results of Deadliest Warrior? Are you ready for an alternative that will likely offer real action, real results, and epic match-ups?
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Spartan198
06-11-2010, 12:10
Ah, Deadliest Warrior. This show is a total crock. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't try to pass the show off as serious and scientific, but I guess that's SpikeTV for you.
I could go on for hours talking about all the things they've done wrong (like pitting a one-handed battle axe against a freaking ballista, for example), but instead I'll just say I think we're all unanimous in that this show is so undeadly that it's completely fake (http://vuurwapenblog.com/2009/10/21/spike-tvs-not-so-deadliest-warrior/).
Welp, it looks like the Immortal is going to win over the Celt next week simply by virtue of having a bow. If I'm not mistaken it'll be the forth ancient matchup in a row to be won by the guy with the edge in long-range weapons.
Although I think they're giving the Immortal a scythed chariot (I'm not kidding, look at the Spike website) so maybe it'll even out.
OK. Superman at long range, Superman at medium range and Hulk at short range. Not counting kryptonite. What is Hulk's weakness?
What about superfriends vs. legion of doom?
Hulk doesn't really have one. Beyond that he's not invulnerable. He just regenerates really fast, and I'm fairly certain he can regrow lost limbs. But Hulk vs. Superman is a very contentious issue. As when Marvel and DC had their vs. series in the 90's they left several fights up to a vote. Naturally Superman won, and many feel Hulk was forced to job (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_(professional_wrestling)) to Superman.
Besides the more interesting prize fights would be Superboy-Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy-Prime) vs. Sentry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_(Robert_Reynolds))
Or Superman vs. the Supernatural version of Michael.
Hey, is there any way to watch Deadliest Warrior live online? I really want to catch tonights episode. (and I do not have cable)
Hey, is there any way to watch Deadliest Warrior live online? I really want to catch tonights episode. (and I do not have cable)
Wait a week and you'll be able to watch it on the Spike website.
On topic, Spike likes to shaft western Europeans every chance they get. Only twice have Europeans won out against their enemies, and only because in both cases their opponents were laughably ill-equipped for battle. I know everyone falls in love with THE MYSTICAL KATANA but good god...
the Deadliest Warrior is the one who catches the opponent by surprise.
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who knew ninjas still exist? :dizzy2::laugh4:
celt vs immortal pissed me off to no end
I don't mean to be rude, but why does everybody watch this show if it is as bad as they say?
I don't mean to be rude, but why does everybody watch this show if it is as bad as they say?
Because the concept is SOOOOO good, and it is the ONLY one of its type. Just keep hoping for a good one, and keep getting disappointed.
Of course there is also the entertainment value. There is no denying that it is a very entertaining show to watch. That is not what people get mad about though, it is the historical inaccuracy.
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SillySirius
08-24-2010, 03:01
I just started watching this show after having told myself i never would.
Some things do leave you going huh but its entertainment and thats how i take it.
The people you guys should be getting mad at about some of the weapons matchups are the "experts" who seem to be the ones that get to pick their sides arsenal.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-24-2010, 12:36
I just want to where they get the jelly filled dummies at!
I just want to where they get the jelly filled dummies at!
I sometimes watch it, so I can get a better laugh when Noah Antwiler rips Spike TV a new one. (http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/05/06/vlog-5-6-10-the-deadliest-warrior/)
like, for example, when they released their spinoff game (http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/08/04/deadliest-warrior-game-review/).
or when DW's fanboys came to defend the spinoff game, he tore them a new one as well (Deadliest Warrior: The Game (Follow-Up)).
its funny watching nerds like Spoony kill each other over a show. :jester:
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