Post your EB empires!

[Noble Wrath]

Are there any differences between the modern greek alphabet (except for the small letters of course) and the one used in EB's time frame?
Though my knowledge on the pre-classical period is quite scetchy, I think various regional variants of the greek alphabet existed early on. For example the latin alphabet is supposed to have derived form a western form of the greek alphabet and I believe the ionian cities had their own versions. The greek script was even used in certain cases to write down non-greek languages like the eteocretan inscriptions in Crete or the inscription of Lemnos (whose language btw is dubiously akin to the language of the Etruscans...).
However, during the classical and certainly during the hellenistic (EB) era a common form of the alphabet was established, which has remained afaik unchanged since. Some early letters like the digamma (F), which represented a W-like sound, had already become obsolete by then, because their sounds had ceased to be pronounced. An innovation of the hellenistic era was the introduction of markings like accents and breathings, in order to help the non-native speakers to pronounce the language correctly. Those markings were abandoned in Greece only two decades ago.
About the relationship between the Attic and the Common dialects you are absolutely correct.

@Mulceber: It's my own language so I don't really feel that wise. On the other hand, your learning of a completely alien language, which is not going to be of any use to you unless you are a philologist, is at least commendable.

Oh, and guys you got some awesome empires there! Good luck with micromanaging those monsters...

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Though my knowledge on the pre-classical period is quite scetchy, I think various regional variants of the greek alphabet existed early on. For example the latin alphabet is supposed to have derived form a western form of the greek alphabet and I believe the ionian cities had their own versions. The greek script was even used in certain cases to write down non-greek languages like the eteocretan inscriptions in Crete or the inscription of Lemnos (whose language btw is dubiously akin to the language of the Etruscans...).
However, during the classical and certainly during the hellenistic (EB) era a common form of the alphabet was established, which has remained afaik unchanged since. Some early letters like the digamma (F), which represented a W-like sound, had already become obsolete by then, because their sounds had ceased to be pronounced. An innovation of the hellenistic era was the introduction of markings like accents and breathings, in order to help the non-native speakers to pronounce the language correctly. Those markings were abandoned in Greece only two decades ago.
About the relationship between the Attic and the Common dialects you are absolutely correct.

Oh, and guys you got some awesome empires there! Good luck with micromanaging those monsters...

Interesting :book:, and I do remember of that greek - etruscan - roman alphabet connection (well yeah the Phoenicians were first with that)
Ancient greek and Ancient Greece is something I really find interesting and it's always nice to learn more on this.
Yet again thank you for your aid in this matter my friend. :bow:

[Mulceber]

@Mulceber: It's my own language so I don't really feel that wise. On the other hand, your learning of a completely alien language, which is not going to be of any use to you unless you are a philologist, is at least commendable.

Good thing I'm looking to go into Classics then.:book:


Nice empires you have there guys. It's not a pleasant thing for me to see Carthage destroyed , but nice empires anyway.

I have my own Pick-me-up to give Jebivjetar as well:

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/098/1/5/Carthage_228_BCE_by_mulceber.jpg

Just a small update (sorry, no pictures :embarassed: ):

The year of Scipio and Caesar may have proved rocky, but the year that followed was to be even more so. On his way to his new province, Caesar's party was attacked by a roving Gallic war party. The new proconsul escaped unharmed, but this was all the justification he needed: taking command of the four legions guarding the province, he marched west and laid siege to Burdigala. To Caesar's mind, these rich lands would prove a great arena for him to garner more glory. The rewards - both pecuniary and political - would be rich for the man who could tame Gaul. Although he was consumed with war, Caesar nevertheless kept abreast of (and perhaps even influenced) events in Rome: in the spring of that year, Decimus' older brother, Manius, won his second consulship and their nephew, the young Marcus Iulius Caesar won the Aedileship. Opinions on this were rather mixed. On the one hand, Manius was far more of a strict conservative than Decimus (indeed, it was only their close blood relation which maintained their political ties), and so his election was not as incendiary as it might have been, had he any populist leanings. Nevertheless, such success for the gens Iulia brought mutterings of Tyranny from some of their harsher opponents, particularly in the summer of that year, when Manius - knowing that his brother had no short war in mind - succeeded in having Decimus' term of office in Gaul extended for an additional nine years.

In spring another war broke out, however: In the few years since Aemilius Paullus had returned Alexandreia and Memphis to them, the Ptolemies had greatly expanded their power, pushing the Seleukids out of the Levant and even taking Antiocheia itself. Flushed with success, and covetous of Roman holdings in Cilicia and Libya, they now foolishly attacked these provinces without even having finished off the faltering Seleukid dynasty first. Moving quickly, they sacked and enslaved Tarsos and the local Propraetor, L. Aemilius Paullus was killed. Response was quick and harsh: the propraetor of Libya (the new Proconsul Scipio had not yet arrived) struck Alexandreia and enslaved a large portion of the population, while the legions given up by Sp. Octauius in Asia quickly retook Tarsos, although they thankfully spared the populace. Asia was short of good men, however, and so, late in the fall, the Consul Mn. Caesar dispatched his nephew Marcus to provide what aide he could to the promagistrates in Asia. Shortly after Marcus' departure, however, Manius slipped while at the Baths and hit his skull on the hard tiles. At first he appeared to endure the injury well, but over the course of the next few days his mental acumen rapidly deteriorated and by the end of the week he was dead. This proved to be a terrible tragedy on multiple levels, as the Republic suddenly found itself a consul short when it was fighting two wars, and all at once Decimus's chief political ally was gone. -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

An interesting read Mulceber! :wink:

How did poor Manius die (as in ingame) did he die "A Tragic Death" or did you just send him towards some rebelstack? :clown:

[Mulceber]

Believe it or not, he actually just died on his own - I hadn't planned for him to get killed off, but the game randomly selected to kill him, and so I just decided to run with it and see how things play out. However, I have considered the possibility of using rebel stacks (or pirate fleets) when the civil war begins and I have to start offing family members. -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Believe it or not, he actually just died on his own - I hadn't planned for him to get killed off, but the game randomly selected to kill him, and so I just decided to run with it and see how things play out. However, I have considered the possibility of using rebel stacks (or pirate fleets) when the civil war begins and I have to start offing family members. -M

That's odd cause he was quite young no?

[Mulceber]

Not so much - he was in the middle of his second consulship after all. IIRC, I think he was around 60, which is still a little on the young side, but isn't too unusual. -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Not so much - he was in the middle of his second consulship after all. IIRC, I think he was around 60, which is still a little on the young side, but isn't too unusual. -M

LOL! 60 isn't really my definition of "young". If he had been like 18 and died with no reason it would have been quite scary.

[Mulceber]

Heh, true that - I think it'd actually be pretty cool if the EB team could have the game kill off the occasional family member really early - it would kind of make the whole thing seem more real - although it would really suck to have your potential reformator die at 30. Probably doesn't matter though - it's likely hard-coded anyway. -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Heh, true that - I think it'd actually be pretty cool if the EB team could have the game kill off the occasional family member really early - it would kind of make the whole thing seem more real - although it would really suck to have your potential reformator die at 30. Probably doesn't matter though - it's likely hard-coded anyway. -M

Hmm yeah that be interesting, but it's probably hard-coded. :wall:

[Unintended BM]

I had a cool Carthage game going. I was sieging Capua and Arpi with a Libyan army with Elephants, and a Samnite army with some Gauls too. I didn't take any pictures, and I like to accidentally save over my cool saved games. I'll post pictures of my cool Roman game later though.

[Duguntz]

Heh, true that - I think it'd actually be pretty cool if the EB team could have the game kill off the occasional family member really early - it would kind of make the whole thing seem more real - although it would really suck to have your potential reformator die at 30. Probably doesn't matter though - it's likely hard-coded anyway. -M

Haaa. totaly NOT cool! as sweboz, I've already trouble tp keep my FM live until 40 coz of my house rule of ''FM always in the first front line...'' if they had to die from flu catch from a moskito bite at 24... that's be the end of the shit

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

A (very) short update.

ΑΡΧΗ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ 143 BC

The Parthians invaded from the North and since ΑΥΛΟΣ ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΕΥΣ was in charge of the northern army he had to take care of the problem.

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/spjut.jpg
https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/Thor.jpg

The Parni used Kataphraktoi and Hippotoxotai en masse and inflicted heavy losses on the Hellenic side.
To make matters worse the Makedonike commander died in the heat of the battle, which caused the Babylonian heavy infantry to rout.
The rest of the army held their ground and rather than lose heart over their commander's had died, they were inspired to perform glorius feats on the battlefield.

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/HeriocDeath.jpg

The battle ended in Makedonian triumph:

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Back in ἙΛΛΑΣ a new plague had gained a foothold, killing thousands.

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/SjukaiHellas.jpg
https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/Hellas.jpg


While all this happened ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔHΣ conquered Karmania and Gedrosia in a matter of months.
Everything was going according to plan except for the loss of the Strategos of the Northern forces, which left the north vulnerable for Parni incursions and the remaining Makedonian forces in the area had to barricade themselves into the cites of Zadrakata and Hekatompylos and await ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔHΣ return from the South.

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/ArcheMakedonike.jpg

[SwissBarbar]

Do you have an AAR?

[Mulceber]

This thread is the AAR - while it started as a place for us all to brag about how much we'd conquered, it's essentially become a thread for people who like writing about their faction but don't want to invest the time in a full-blown AAR. -M

Ps. Nice work, Arthur. Your Arche is starting to look like an amalgamation of the Arche Alexandrou and the Imperium Romanum.

[Unintended BM]

My Roman game:

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/Indoril_Jarsa/EB%20pics/RomeTW-ALX2010-03-2620-08-17-92.jpghttps://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/Indoril_Jarsa/EB%20pics/RomeTW-ALX2010-04-0819-01-53-80.jpghttps://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/Indoril_Jarsa/EB%20pics/RomeTW-ALX2010-04-0819-04-39-66.jpghttps://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/Indoril_Jarsa/EB%20pics/RomeTW-ALX2010-04-0819-03-20-79.jpg

First one was from a while ago. I took the two Illyrian settlements during the first and only Punic War, and my long time ally Eperios decided they wanted to attack, so I just took all of Greece.
Second one is a funny family member I have. He's pretty much useless, but one of his sons is really good.
As you can see, the Lusotanans control southern Gaul, but I got Massilia from the Arverni, so I'm holding them back from expanding further.
Third one is my naval invasion of Iberia. I took Mastia, then sent half my army over to Gader and took it, but on the way back, my half stack was attacked by a Lusotanan full stack. I barely won that battle, and I lost many troops, so I'm sending reinforcements, as seen in my last picture.

I like being allies with Carthage. They keep the pirates away from my Iberian reinforcements.
The Makedonians are my allies and they keep back the AS pretty well.
Both Gauls are at war with me, but I'm allied with the Sweboz. After I'm done with Iberia, I'll sweep through Europe and beat the crap out of everything, I think.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Do you have an AAR?

I don't have a AAR in the sense that it's posted outside of this thread, my post in here are basically my "AAR" though I wouldn't call it that since it's not updated as frequent, the updates are quite short and isn't written in a professional way. This thread can be used as an "AAR playground" where one can write Roleplay and AARish about ones empires and not worry about having to update every three minutes. If you want to do so here too then I welcome it. :2thumbsup:

Hope you enjoyed reading about my empire.


This thread is the AAR - while it started as a place for us all to brag about how much we'd conquered, it's essentially become a thread for people who like writing about their faction but don't want to invest the time in a full-blown AAR. -M

Haha, come to think about it, it's just you and I who use this thread in that way.
And if someone doen't want to rolplay/write AARish then that is of course also OK.


Ps. Nice work, Arthur. Your Arche is starting to look like an amalgamation of the Arche Alexandrou and the Imperium Romanum.

Thanks, your empire is shaping up nicely too! And I don't know if I'm just going to conquer the east and then be done with it or to continue after that, if I do continue it will probably have to do with "Internal Problems".

Oh and on a side note, this Olympiades guy is probably the only faction leader I've had who had both S/C/V
as well as Unselfish/Optimistic/Loyal so late into the game,
I LOVE HIM (in a nonsexual way of course)

[Mulceber]

Thanks, your empire is shaping up nicely too! And I don't know if I'm just going to conquer the east and then be done with it or to continue after that, if I do continue it will probably have to do with "Internal Problems".

Oh and on a side note, this Olympiades guy is probably the only faction leader I've had who had both S/C/V
as well as Unselfish/Optimistic/Loyal so late into the game,
I LOVE HIM (in a nonsexual way of course)

Heh, isn't it awesome when you have such great characters to roleplay? Lucullus and Africanus were two of the funnest characters I ever had. Caesar and his relations are making it pretty interesting too. Speaking of which...

The Siege of Burdigala went well. The Gauls made only a token relief effort, and before long the city had fallen. Caesar pillaged the city and, after subduing the populace, appointed a new King to rule over the region. He then marched east to capture the town of Gergovia. On the way, his scouts discovered and reported a Gallic fort on the border of Roman territory. The Proconsul wished to avoid having his men distracted from the construction of siege equipment, and so he dispatched a messenger instructing his legate in Tolosa, Cn. Claudius Cicero, to briefly besiege the fort in a feint to keep the soldiers away from Caesar's siege works.

Violence raged in the east as well. Having taken up Sp. Octauius' old legion, the Proconsul of Asia, Tb. Papirius Cursor, made his way eastward. He planned to besiege Antiocheia, but before he could cross the Orontes River, scouts reported an approaching army. Cursor and M. Caesar, his lieutenant, eventually selected some lightly forested hills as a location to make their stand. It wasn't perfect, as they were on an incline, but it offered them some forest cover in which their men could hide. Unable to see the positioning of the Roman troops, the attacking Ptolemaic army failed to properly cover its flank, and thus it was an easy matter for the right wing of the army to circumvent the Phalangitai and attack them from the rear. Meanwhile on the left wing, the Romans were suffering a terrible onslaught from the hetairoi of one of the two generals commanding this army. By the grace of fortune however, Marcus Caesar and his wing of cavalry were concealed in the woods not far away, and with the help of a century of Antesignani, it was not hard to turn the tables on the impetuous general. Their leader's death caused a panic within the army, which quickly fell into a rout.
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/099/c/4/Carrhae_137_BCE_by_mulceber.jpg
In the ensuing carnage, the remaining Ptolemaic general was also killed, as well as almost two thousand of the Pharaoh's troops. Romans losses had numbered between 200 and 300, surprisingly light, given that they were fighting on a hill. With no enemies in sight, Tiberius and Marcus marched on Antiocheia and began the siege.

South of their position, another siege was just ending. Not wishing to put off battle any longer, C. Scipio moved his siege towers into position and his men streamed out onto the battlements of Memphis. They were surprised, however, to find the ramparts deserted. Opening the gates for their commander, they soon discovered that the garrison commander had concentrated all his troops at the city center, hoping that having nowhere to run would inspire his already-formidable phalangitai to even greater bravery. With a clever feint, however, Scipio was able to lure one of the units away where it was quickly surrounded and butchered. Such a trick would not work twice, however, and there was simply nothing for it but a straight up fight.
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/099/c/e/The_Siege_of_Memphis_by_mulceber.jpg

Meanwhile in Gaul, D. Caesar's feint had worked and the Gallic warband had left his men alone as they constructed their siege towers. Now he sought to take the city. The advance of his siege equipment was somewhat hampered by Gallic archers and slingers on the wall. Once the massive towers were in position, the tables were turned, however, and the lightly armed Gauls who had been shouting slurs against the advancing cohorts now found themselves on the wrong side of a gladius. From here the legions secured the gateway and their friends outside burst into the city.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/099/1/c/through_the_gates_by_mulceber.jpg
They then advanced toward the town square but the infantry met resistance from a unit of Neitos. However, Caesar quickly flanked them with his personal bodyguard and finished them off.
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/099/2/1/the_new_battle_for_Gergovia_by_mulceber.jpg
From here it was little more than a swift march to the town square, where the remaining Gauls were quickly defeated. It had been a hard year, and as he divided up the spoils and began the process of seeking a suitable new Chieftain for the town, Caesar resolved to winter his men here, so as to give them a fresh start in the next year's campaign season. -M

[Kikaz]

Pontos 205BC EB1.2
https://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8290/pontos205bc.jpg
Sweboz 225BC EB1.0
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7678/swebozeb10.jpg

[VIPERLORD]

He's looking pretty healthy for a dead guy!!

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

As always an interesting read Mulceber!

[SwissBarbar]

Yeah, quite interesting that a dead guy has the vigorous trait

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

lol, it's probably because he loaded a save game from an older version of EB than his curent version of EB, if I'm not misstaken.

[Mulceber]

Sorry, not sure I understand, what's this about a dead guy? -M

[SwissBarbar]

Look at the guy's traits in Kikaz post (Sweboz Campaign)

[Mulceber]

Oh, thanks for the clear up, Swissbar - for some reason I thought you were referring to my campaign. Nice Empire, Kikaz, and nicer still that the Sweboz have apparently discovered the art of necromancy. -M

[Fluvius Camillus]

@Kikaz

Huh? Did you make that yourself or is this an EB easter egg which I have never seen? Can you explain?

~Fluvius

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

@Kikaz

Huh? Did you make that yourself or is this an EB easter egg which I have never seen? Can you explain?

~Fluvius

I have encountered this too when loading a savegame older than my current EB version (EB 1.1 --> EB 1.2), and I explained how it works in post 273:


lol, it's probably because he loaded a save game from an older version of EB than his curent version of EB, if I'm not misstaken.

Probably also happens in general if the savegames are corrupted.

:P

Oh and Mulceber, I hope your Caesar is nicer towards the Gauls in comparision to the real one (i.e doesn't enslave them)

[Mulceber]

Oh and Mulceber, I hope your Caesar is nicer towards the Gauls in comparision to the real one (i.e doesn't enslave them)

...

Oops...

Kinda too late. :embarassed: Oh well, I'll just say that he enslaved the people of Burdigala and of Gergovia because it was they who had been directly responsible for raiding and harassing Gallia Transalpina for so many years. I'll be nicer to the remaining Gallic lands. -M

[ertai1987]

Well, it might be a bit off topic, but was anyone ever successfull (on the long term) at keeping a small "empire" alive without expanding? I'm currently playing a Pontus-gone-Anatolia Confederacy campaign that includes 5 provinces (Ankyra, Amaseia, Nikaia, Mazaka and Ipsos). I was actually starting to expand quite easily till 255 when I thought "oh well, I've done this before, haven't I?"

So I gave up the controll of Mytilene-Pergamon-Sardis-Halikarnasso-Sinope*. Currently, I'm trying to make enough money to build Mines+2. Militarywise I can produce pretty much every unit that I will ever need (and that with a 2-3 chevrons bonus!), so for the time being I'm feeling quite safe.

*Sardis and Mytilene back to their original owners, the rest defected to KH.

[Duguntz]

Well, it might be a bit off topic, but was anyone ever successfull (on the long term) at keeping a small "empire" alive without expanding? I'm currently playing a Pontus-gone-Anatolia Confederacy campaign that includes 5 provinces (Ankyra, Amaseia, Nikaia, Mazaka and Ipsos). I was actually starting to expand quite easily till 255 when I thought "oh well, I've done this before, haven't I?"

So I gave up the controll of Mytilene-Pergamon-Sardis-Halikarnasso-Sinope*. Currently, I'm trying to make enough money to build Mines+2. Militarywise I can produce pretty much every unit that I will ever need (and that with a 2-3 chevrons bonus!), so for the time being I'm feeling quite safe.

*Sardis and Mytilene back to their original owners, the rest defected to KH.

Sweboz... I kept all Provinces of only Germania (what was under their control) up to 230 - 25 BC without expending further... then, with Aedui on the west and the Romans on my ass in the south, I needed more income to lift an army that'd teach them NOT to come uninvited, so i went to conquer Great Britain... easy catch. with the income of all their ports (it was about 223 or so BC) I built a crack army led by my 10 stars General who went rampage in Italy, conquered every cities until Capua and Arpi... my empire is no more small... it is now around 210 BC, (SOON i'LL GET MY REFORM!!!). Yesterday, the most frustrating thing happened to me... I went to capture Gawjam-gatanoz, on the small island, got attacked by pirate, who sank my boats... with my full stack army, plus 2 FM (as I was planning to attack prsesnt day russia from the sea, to save myself from fighting the crack full stack of central europe... Argh.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

...

Oops...

Kinda too late. :embarassed: Oh well, I'll just say that he enslaved the people of Burdigala and of Gergovia because it was they who had been directly responsible for raiding and harassing Gallia Transalpina for so many years. I'll be nicer to the remaining Gallic lands. -M


Shame on you Mulceber! :p

Those poor celts.. all they wanted to do was to grab some loot and slaves and destroy some buildings, that's all... *sniff*

In general I almost never enslave and if I do my general have to be "Selfish" and/or possibly a very annoying city that constantly rebels. What's your policy on enslavement in general though?

[Mulceber]

Aww, ok, I'll make sure they don't go to the mines. Man Arthur, those Gauls owe you big time. I'll instruct them to construct a shrine to Olympiades Nikator Soter -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Aww, ok, I'll make sure they don't go to the mines. Man Arthur, those Gauls owe you big time. I'll instruct them to construct a shrine to Olympiades Nikator Soter -M


:laugh4: Thanks! Come to think about it, maybe I should conquer Gaul and brittania as an final thingy in my "AAR". :idea2:

[Macilrille]

He's looking pretty healthy for a dead guy!!

If, understandably, a bit bored. Not being allowed to do anything because the Dugunthiz believes that you are dead must be pretty dull...

[Mulceber]

Having avenged himself on the Burdigalani and the Gergoviani for having attacked his province and his person, it was assumed by many in the Senate that Caesar's lust for conquest would be sated, and that he would be content to squeeze his province - like so many other promagistrates - for the remainder of his term. Thus it came as a complete shock to the Conscript Fathers when reports began to filter into Rome that Caesar was laying siege to Bibracte. Many Senators at this point voiced their opinion that Caesar was inciting open warfare with the Gauls and should be brought back to Rome immediately and tried on charges of conspiracy, theft and illegal warfare. Others voiced more moderate opinions, but were concerned nonetheless, while still other, Populist Senators defended the Proconsul's actions, as much out of loyalty and solidarity as out of conviction.

Surely Caesar must have been made aware of the Senate's reaction by his spies, but if so, he cared very little. The plebs were delighted with the spoils which had been sent back from Burdigala and Gergovia, and, as usual, the Equites could be counted upon to rally behind anything the Senate opposed, especially when it opened up new trade avenues for their businesses. In the fall of 135, Caesar and his lieutenant, Au. Scipio decided to take Bibracte by storm. Having used sappers to breach the walls, troops stormed through the gap and engaged the Gallic forces huddled inside.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/101/6/c/siege_of_Bibracte_1_by_mulceber.jpg

These levy forces were quickly swept aside by the Republican forces, but at the town center there was a harder nut to crack.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/101/e/9/siege_of_Bibracte_2_by_mulceber.jpg

From here it was a long grind, wearing down the Neitos and, on the other side of the square, the chieftain himself, appropriately named Tyranos. When the Chieftain was finally killed, however, the rest of his troops surrendered.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/101/6/b/Tyranos___last_stand_2_by_mulceber.jpg

In a way, however, the Senate had been right in their original estimation that Caesar's bloodlust was sated: for instead of enslaving the populace, he expelled a portion of the population to other towns, and allowed his men to engage in some well-deserved looting, before beginning the process of rebuilding Bibracte's shattered power structure (are you happy, Arthur?).

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/101/d/6/Caesar_by_mulceber.jpghttp://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/101/d/5/are_you_happy__Arthur__by_mulceber.jpg

In the east, meanwhile, things were going quite well - Tb. Papirius Cursor and M. Iulius Caesar quickly took Antiocheia and, after warding off an attempted siege by the Ptolemies, moved south to take Sidon as well. It was said by several Jews on Cursor's staff that in ages past, their people had been slaves of the Egyptian Pharaoh, and had been freed by their lawgiver, Moses. Thus it struck Cursor as a great irony that the Hellenistic-Egyptian Monarch had now made the homeland of the Jews his capital. It wouldn't be a capital for long, though.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/101/d/0/Tb__Papirius_Cursor_by_mulceber.jpg

Successes down in Egypt proper were plentiful as well, as C. Scipio slowly marched his legions up the Nile, taking every city he found. He had even called upon the governor of Africa Vetus, Seruius Caesar (yes, another Caesar - for some reason the Roman Empire these days is filthy with them. I promise I won't start Role-playing this one though, if for no other reason than to avoid further confusion of which Caesar is which) to send two legions over for the purpose of taking the remainder of the Ptolemies' Libyan holdings. Marching East, these two legions met with great success, taking Augila and Ammonion. They then halted to recuperate and await a good opportunity to march on Hibis.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/101/0/1/C__Cornelius_Scipio_by_mulceber.jpghttp://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/101/b/7/S__Iulius_Caesar_by_mulceber.jpg

[vartan]

Well done. How did Armenia end up having a lone town on the western frontier of the Sarmatian Confederacy?

[Kikaz]

Oh, thanks for the clear up, Swissbar - for some reason I thought you were referring to my campaign. Nice Empire, Kikaz, and nicer still that the Sweboz have apparently discovered the art of necromancy. -M

Thanks, and yeah I think that "Slain by Sabaeans" trait is a result of loading an EB1.o game in EB1.2, I'm pretty sure he wasn't a zombie in the original save.

[Mulceber]

Well done. How did Armenia end up having a lone town on the western frontier of the Sarmatian Confederacy?

I think it might have revolted to them - either that or they conquered it a couple hundred turns ago. iirc, the sequence of events was they expanded outward and conquered a whole swath of land from the Sauromatae, then the Sauromatae took back most of it and Pontos kicked them out of their original homeland. Then, when I defeated Pontos, I gave them back their homeland to serve as a buffer zone between the Romani and the Arche Seleukeia.


Thanks, and yeah I think that "Slain by Sabaeans" trait is a result of loading an EB1.o game in EB1.2, I'm pretty sure he wasn't a zombie in the original save.

But on the bright side, now your forces will be invincible, since no faction has shotguns, chainsaws or any of the basic equipment for fighting Zombies! :clown: -M

[Kikaz]

I think it might have revolted to them - either that or they conquered it a couple hundred turns ago. iirc, the sequence of events was they expanded outward and conquered a whole swath of land from the Sauromatae, then the Sauromatae took back most of it and Pontos kicked them out of their original homeland. Then, when I defeated Pontos, I gave them back their homeland to serve as a buffer zone between the Romani and the Arche Seleukeia.



But on the bright side, now your forces will be invincible, since no faction has shotguns, chainsaws or any of the basic equipment for fighting Zombies! :clown: -M
Unfortunately, I cannot field my vast zombie armies as the game CTD's when I hit end turn :sad:

[Mulceber]

Aww, but I was looking forward to a Sweboz version of Shawn of the Dead... -M

[Teucer]

Inspired by Megas Methuselah's Massalia AAR, Here's my 'Pyrrhos in Iberia' game. The current year is 228 BCE, and the western dominions of the Aiakids stretch from Mauritania in the south-west to Massalia in the north. My greatest general, Euegoros 'Hammer of the Lusotannan' Sasonios is now embroiled in a bitter conflict against the traitorous Aedui. With any luck, the realm will soon spread northwards, bringing the light of Hellenism to even the darkest corners of savage Gaul!


https://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a148/Tarchon/Tartessos228.jpg

Oh, and those elephants you see are all that remains of Pyrrhos' initial squad. I've worked hard to keep them alive, and they've payed back my diligence with many a route-inducing charge! :2thumbsup:

As for the rest of the world, I'm really happy with Anatolia. I love what KH has managed to do in the south, while Pontos has expanded nicely up north. The Hai just attacked the Seleukids, so we'll see what happens there. In the far East things are kind of crazy. Provinces have been going back and forth between Baktria, Saka, Pahalva, and the Arche. I expect that middle Indian city to rebel to Pahlava soon which will make things even better...:dizzy:

[satalexton]

An update to my Makedonian empire:

The extent of the ΑΡΧΗ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ as of 147 BC:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/ARCHEMAKEDONIA-1.jpg


https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/folkrglad.jpg

Following the return of the Basileus to the capital the people were ecstatic, for they have waited many years for their hero to return from his bold campaigning in the west. He just like his father had the "man of the people" aura about him and the Charisma needed to influence people around him. By the historians of the Arche he is regarded as the greatest military leader Makedonia have ever had, possibly to be rivalled by his son.


https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/OlympiadesArgeades.jpg

After the shameless attack on the Arche's Egyptian holdings by the Noubaoi king, it befell the Royal heir ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔΗΣ to deal with the problem.
After defeating them in battle he set up a number of client kings in the area who hopefully were to be more loyal.
Currently he is studying in Alexandreai and readying his army for another campaign, this time into Persia and beyond.

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/problem2-1.jpg

In the East the Parthian Persian Empire are sending their armies against the border. The reason to this is that both East-Hellenic kingdoms are given financial support from the Arche Makedonia which of course is not something the King of Kings Baghâbigh find very amusing..

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/problem-1.jpg

For the Hellenes in the East things were not going too well. With collapse threatening both Hellenic kingdoms due to the conquests of nearly all their lands by the Persians the situation is looking dire indeed.

The Persian empire is the only nation at this time who can rival the might of the Makedonian Arche and is a serious threat to our plan.

Comments are appreciated. :bow:

Good job there :balloon3: ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!

[satalexton]

Nice storytelling Mulceber! :2thumbsup:
You should make an AAR or something.

An update on the ΑΡΧΗ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ as of 144 BC and the situation on the Eastern front:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/nykung.jpg

When the Persians invaded the Arche's eastern holdings ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔHΣ swiftly defeated the bulk of the invasion force as well as conquered the Persian homelands and western holdings. He also incorporated the Seleucid holdings into the Arche, even though their leaders were reluctant to submit. When he and his army entered Persepolis he gave order that no plundering was to made in the old Persian capital and that the Tomb of Kyros was not to be defiled. Many officers in the army thought this behaviour to be utmost nonsense, but this sign of respect completely won over the Persian people and ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔHΣ was hailed as their new Shahanshah, and Baghâbigh and his followers being branded outcasts by their judges. The Persian people never were too found of their Parthian masters as they had treated them as little more than slaves and were forced to fight in the army as infantry cannon fodder, this too worked for the Makedonians benefit who were being hailed as saviours by the populace.

The following day a messanger from ΠΕΛΛΑ arrived in Persepolis. He informed ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔHΣ that his father had quietly past away in his sleep and that he was now the ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ.
ΝΕΙΚΩΝ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ had been the one who finally brought an end to Kart-Hadast, conquered Iberia and secured the western border. He had also started a major number of building projects around the Arche, with exellent road systems and aqueducts surpassing even the Romaoi in it's perfection. Hellenic culture flourished under his rule and Athenai became a centre of learning and philosophy again and many great plays were set up. He was truly a great leader one who were to be missed by all in the ΑΡΧΗ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗ.

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/ohno.jpg

Even though the Persian homelands were now in the hands of the Makedones, the war continued, for the Parthians would not give up so lightly and so this war of conquest had to continue.

This is the plan: ΣΟΣΙΒΙΟΣ ΦΥΛΛΙΟΣ will guard Iran while ΑΥΛΟΣ ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΕΥΣ make sure to keep the Parni horsemen away from the northern holdings. (extremely complex plan I know :laugh4:)

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/sydligarmeSosibiosPhyllios.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/nordligarmAulosThessalonikeus.jpg

While they do that ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔHΣ will conquer the southern territories which currently only have lightly armed and few troops as garrison.

Some pictures over the most important victories in the war so far:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/segerverseleukos.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/segerverperserna.jpg

And yeah comments are appreciated. :bow:

Truth and hope in Fatherland!
Death to Every Foe!
Hoist your Xiphos into the clouds!
All Hail Makedonia!!!

[Hax]

Ooh, that looks good. You just gave me an interesting idea for Epeiros...

[Jebivjetar]

My mighty Carthaginian empire.

1) For many decades the Ptolies have invaded our lands, pillaging our villages, destroying our harbours, selling our wives and children into slavery, attacking our mighty tradefleets. Our Senate decided to put this to an end, and assembled an army to invade Ptolemaic Empire.

https://img188.imageshack.us/img188/553/army1n.jpg


2) Battles were hard and bloody. Many heroic victories we have won:

https://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9744/deadh.jpg

3) After years and years of fighting, we have finally succeeded to reach the heart of Egypt. In this picture we can see the brave Carthaginian veterans at the pyramids:

https://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4050/carthiespyramids2.jpg

4) Anyway, Ptolemy did not accept our generous offer to become our vassal, with his empire as our protectorate. Our Council of Elders decided that we must push even further, deeper into the Ptolemy's lands.

https://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9578/cmap1.jpg

5) In meanwhile, some barbarian tribe from Italy attacked our colonies in Sicily. They were numerous but inferior to our Sicilian garrisoned armies, leaded by our wise and experienced generals. Our suffet was antibarcid, so we didn't invade barbaroi's lands: instead of that, we have wiped out their invading army and humiliated their leader, who fled the battlefield, crying like a child.

https://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8821/antibarcid.jpg

Humiliation:

https://img176.imageshack.us/img176/779/punishingrome.jpg

6) As a result of the first barbarian war, the city of Rhegion turned to our side, and peace treaty was achieved. At this point, Rhegion is our tactical military base, where we can observe any further barbaroi actions, while our armies are prepared to kill' em once again if they come.

https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5391/sicilia.jpg

7) The city of Kyrene is governed by Romaioktonoi prominent member Cute Wolf. It's always good to have him around because of his high influence which prevents any rebellious actions in the city:

https://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9021/wolfy.jpg

8) General Vasiliyi is with us also:

https://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3184/vasiliyi.jpg

9) Western border: pacified for now. Our Iberian allies are fighting for new lands in their sphere of influence, according to several contracts between Carthaginian Senate and their leadership. It's a matter of time when they will decide to attack barbaroi garrisons if Gaul. In that case Carthage will declare war on barbaroi, and help her allies fighting them.

https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8138/westernborder.jpg

[satalexton]

Praise Jebi and his Baal-Lords!
The mighty strength of Romaioktonoi!
To no end his men shall march;
To no end the Barbaroi they slay.
They shall drink, in joy and glee;
The river runs red, by end of day.

[Jebivjetar]

Thank you my Basileus :)

[plutoboyz]

Where is Saka, Jeb?

[Jebivjetar]

Where is Saka, Jeb?

Destroyed by Baktria just recently. Anyway the last Saka lands conquered by Baktrian army rebelled to Eleutheroi few turns after Saka died.

[Cute Wolf]

How can I have no command? I should lead entire army to smack those Barbaroi!!!
RAWWRRRR http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=3369&pictureid=36318

[Jebivjetar]

You're to precious as a governor, Wolfy. If we send you into a battle, Kyrene may just rebel. People love you, it would not be smart to leave that precious town (having him it's in our victory condition you know) :clown:

[Ludens]

:focus:

No more Romaioktonoi spam, please.

[[cF]HanBaal]

Nice one Jebivjetar! Curious to see such a long lasting alliance with the Iberians. May I ask what level campaign difficulty you play with? And has that alliance been so since the begining? It would be nice to see if that alliance would remain so after a shared conquest of gaul. Keep us updated.

oh and fire that governor in Sicilia -> wrong man in the wrong place. Anti-barcid FMs belong in Africa humpin camels on top of cacts, as that was their policy. Or you could just teleport them to Terhazza :idea2: Then you could put a proper barcid general in Sicilia, hand him a decent couple of units and hamper the barbaroi on their heartland while your allies take their northern lands.


@Ludens: please stop with that nonsense anti-romaioktonoi spam before someone closes the topic. :hide:

[Mulceber]

No, I agree with him. This is a thread for ALL FACTIONS to post their empires and/or write mini-AAR's. Kindly leave your trolling at the door. -M

[Jebivjetar]

HanBaal;2468175']Nice one Jebivjetar! Curious to see such a long lasting alliance with the Iberians. May I ask what level campaign difficulty you play with? And has that alliance been so since the begining? It would be nice to see if that alliance would remain so after a shared conquest of gaul. Keep us updated.

oh and fire that governor in Sicilia -> wrong man in the wrong place. Anti-barcid FMs belong in Africa humpin camels on top of cacts, as that was their policy. Or you could just teleport them to Terhazza :idea2: Then you could put a proper barcid general in Sicilia, hand him a decent couple of units and hamper the barbaroi on their heartland while your allies take their northern lands.


@Ludens: please stop with that nonsense anti-romaioktonoi spam before someone closes the topic. :hide:

Thank you for your respond, HanBaal!

Well, i always play on M/M difficulty. Personally i don't like to see AI hiring mercenaries, especially when it send them against me. Even now the Prolies are very hard opponents, bacause they can assemble very good and massive armies in very short time. I think it would drive me insane to fight like 10 massive battles against yellow regular armies as well as against entire mercenary pool in their land (in case if i was playing on hard)for a single city or two.

As for my alliance with Lusotanians: well, they broke up our alliance somewhere around 220BC by attacking one of my cities (Sucum Murgi i think, but i'm not 100% sure). I've managed to drive them back and even to capture one of their cities (the one north of Gader, i really can't recall the name of it at the moment). At the same time, barbarian tribe from Italy attacked one of Eleutheroi cities in Iberia and Lusos declared war on them (according to the script) automatically. Then i've offered Lusos a casefire, and they accepted it. Few turns later a new alliance was declared between us. From then, Lusos are invading Gaul, and recently they captured the last Arverni city (still visible on my picture) and destroyed the faction. Now, i think they are preparing themselves to attack Barbaroi (i use toggle_fow every few turns, so i can see their armies marching into Gaul, and not spawning around my territory).


oh and fire that governor in Sicilia -> wrong man in the wrong place. Anti-barcid FMs belong in Africa humpin camels on top of cacts, as that was their policy. Or you could just teleport them to Terhazza Then you could put a proper barcid general in Sicilia, hand him a decent couple of units and hamper the barbaroi on their heartland while your allies take their northern lands.

:laugh4: agreed! But the problem is that most of my family members are antibarcids (i check their traits from time to time, and i don't remember seeing any barcid FM yet... well maybe i don't see good X) ), so i have no choice but to use them as governors no matter of their political views.

Anyway, when i begun with this campaign i decided to leave Barbaroi alone and give them some time to expand and became stronger. In all of mine previous Carthaginian campaigns i've slaughtered them all in few first decades of campaigning, so now i have mercy on them and i'll kill them later, when they will became (i hope so) a worthy foes. That's why i went to Egypt, i want something new :)
I will update my progress and keep you all informed.




@Ludens: please stop with that nonsense anti-romaioktonoi spam before someone closes the topic.

I second that! :clown:

[Duguntz]

HanBaal;2468175']

@Ludens: please stop with that nonsense anti-romaioktonoi spam before someone closes the topic. :hide:

Agree X(

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Good job there :balloon3: ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!

Thank you Basileus! :bow:

@Jeb Nice empire! May Baal-Haamon guide you. :bow:

What spam anyway? Hardly anything too "offensive" at least.. :shrug:

[jirisys]

Thank you Basileus! :bow:

@Jeb Nice empire! May Baal-Haamon guide you. :bow:

What spam anyway? Hardly anything too "offensive" at least.. :shrug:

Oh yes, the general crying like a little boy, not offensive btw, andthe romaioktonoi hymn (which is the whole post), nah, not spam, just good 'ol info, anyway, i think someone who fights 3000 men with 20 men, is either stupid, or barbarian (romaioktonoi) (what's the difference :shrug::confused:?) :clown:, anyway, he's smart for not wanting to die stupidly, and kill those in another battle

Anyhow, i don't have a empire yet (since i have to restart my campaigns befor 200 BCE due to CTDs), but how do oyu make the whole map of one color? Photoshop, or somehow conquering the "remaining" province (eburia IIRC)

~Jirisys (he's an idiot! no, he's a barbarian (romaioktonoi)! that's what i said!!)

[satalexton]

@some, I see nothing wrong with congratulating a peer for his EB achievements...As for Lykos' pic, I think other Germanoi will handle that....

I fired up my old Baktra save, loaded a turn....toggled the map.....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs033.snc1/3239_1073105395693_1467918459_30276134_4736646_n.jpg

And THIS is what I saw...

Once again, Jebi has done us proud again. I think I'll restart this campaign just for the Romaioktonoi Heroism and Jebi's expansion.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Oh yes, the general crying like a little boy, not offensive btw, andthe romaioktonoi hymn (which is the whole post), nah, not spam, just good 'ol info, anyway, i think someone who fights 3000 men with 20 men, is either stupid, or barbarian (romaoiktonoi (what's the difference :shrug::confused:?) :clown:, anyway, he's smart for not wanting to die stupidly, and kill those in another battle

Anyhow, i don't have a empire yet (since i have to restart my campaigns befor 200 BCE due to CTDs), but how do oyu make the whole map of one color? Photoshop, or somehow conquering the "remaining" province (eburia IIRC)

~Jirisys (he's an idiot! no, he's a barbarian (romaoiktonoi)! that's what i said!!)


I suspect you do not consider your own post to be at least partially spamish? :clown: Anyway let's keep this "Oh the romaoiktoi are evil" discussion out of this thread, as well as any romaoiktonoi or romaoi spam.


If you want to discuss this further then we can do so but through the visitors message section. :bow:

oh and Sata, real nice Baktrian Empire that. :thumbsup:

[Mulceber]

I suspect you do not consider your own post to be at least partially spamish? :clown: Anyway let's keep this "Oh the romaoiktoi are evil" discussion out of this thread, as well as any romaoiktonoi or romaoi spam.


If you want to discuss this further then we can do so but through the visitors message section. :bow:

Best idea I've heard all day. This thread is for people to post their empires/AAR's, not for the Romaioktonoi and the Romaiophiloi to hash out their eternal feud. Let's get back on topic. -M

[plutoboyz]

here my Saka after kicking my former ally.
https://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8226/64989543.jpg

I'm tired facing countless Phalanx in middle east so I turn my expansion to the north instead. but alas city in the north have poor income. I'm fail on economy. now I don have money. huh... I must admit, Sauromatae is tough. they give me a great joy. unlike those Diadochi. who became more and more defensive.

btw, how to remove fog of war?

[Jebivjetar]

btw, how to remove fog of war?

open the console window (on my keyboard i do that by pressing a button down bellow the Esc button), type toggle_fow, then press enter, Pluty

[plutoboyz]

open the console window (on my keyboard i do that by pressing a button down bellow the Esc button), type toggle_fow, then press enter, Pluty

thanks.

[Mulceber]

Nice Empire, Pluty. As for the economy, maybe turn back to the Diadochoi now? I'm sure their kingdoms are loaded. -M

[plutoboyz]

Nice Empire, Pluty. As for the economy, maybe turn back to the Diadochoi now? I'm sure their kingdoms are loaded. -M

perhaps you're right. hmm... that mean I must ride my pony through Sarissae line again. or should I give Seleukiea to AS? coz its income -8000 last time I see.

oh yes you're right. Antiochiea, Eddessa and Damaskos is fully loaded... by Agyraspydai. ugh... gross.

[satalexton]

I'm tempted to push all the way to the Iberia in my Baktra game >_> then start a Keltoi game and push all the way East...

[Andy1984]

perhaps you're right. hmm... that mean I must ride my pony through Sarissae line again. or should I give Seleukiea to AS? coz its income -8000 last time I see.

oh yes you're right. Antiochiea, Eddessa and Damaskos is fully loaded... by Agyraspydai. ugh... gross.
Cities like Seleukeia have negative income not necessarily because they aren't making any money, but most likely because it's one of the few big cities in your empire. To see whether they make any income, open up the 'details' page for Seleukeia. It probably only pays taxes and a bit of trade, but due to it's relative size (the percentage of people in your empire that live in Seleukeia), it's forced to pay the upkeep for that relative army. (E.g. if one in ten live in Seleukeia, that city will pay 1/10 of your army, generals and agents upkeep.) Because Seleukeia has no mines, contrary to all these backwaters in Iran you've conquered, the income shown in Seleukeia is highly negative: too many people living there means too much upkeep to be paid by Seleukeia-inhabitants. Loosing Seleukeia or it's population (whether by massacring, riots, plague or being overrun by enemy forces) will spread your upkeep costs paid by Seleukeia equally over all your other settlements, in which case these backwaters with their mines will show you a smaller income. In reality, the only thing that changed was a loss of income from Seleukeia, and a redistribution of expenses and upkeep costs through your empire. The net-result of the loss of Seleukeia would therefore be negative. In plain English: having a negative income in a city is no reason in itself to loose that city. ;)

What you could do (if you didn't already do so), is to break down any Hellenic building that doesn't add to the value of your city, to start with their barracks. Consider destroying wonders, extensive port upgrades and highest level markets as well if they don't really give you sufficient income in the short turn. Other than that: try to minimize your expenses: there's no need to construct a building in every city for every turn, and there probably is no need to have any other unit than mere garrisson units in the larger part of your empire. As far as the rich cities who do pay taxes on the borders of your empire (hint: India) are concerned, consider to make them level-4-settlements and to hire a local chieftan. He'll be expensive in upkeep (800 mnai/turn for some regions), but he's more likely to have tons of influence that allow you to set taxes higher. Switch your capital to the middle of your empire (in order to minimize the distance-to-capitalpenalties and the corruption) and hope you'll be fine. If not: I guess that means you've reached the outer limits of your reign as Saka. Spreading any further might only be possible as a more civilized faction.

Congratulations with your victories and conquests. I didn't yet manage to get that far as Saka,

Andy

[plutoboyz]

Cities like Seleukeia have negative income not necessarily because they aren't making any money, but most likely because it's one of the few big cities in your empire. To see whether they make any income, open up the 'details' page for Seleukeia. It probably only pays taxes and a bit of trade, but due to it's relative size (the percentage of people in your empire that live in Seleukeia), it's forced to pay the upkeep for that relative army. (E.g. if one in ten live in Seleukeia, that city will pay 1/10 of your army, generals and agents upkeep.) Because Seleukeia has no mines, contrary to all these backwaters in Iran you've conquered, the income shown in Seleukeia is highly negative: too many people living there means too much upkeep to be paid by Seleukeia-inhabitants. Loosing Seleukeia or it's population (whether by massacring, riots, plague or being overrun by enemy forces) will spread your upkeep costs paid by Seleukeia equally over all your other settlements, in which case these backwaters with their mines will show you a smaller income. In reality, the only thing that changed was a loss of income from Seleukeia, and a redistribution of expenses and upkeep costs through your empire. The net-result of the loss of Seleukeia would therefore be negative. In plain English: having a negative income in a city is no reason in itself to loose that city. ;)

What you could do (if you didn't already do so), is to break down any Hellenic building that doesn't add to the value of your city, to start with their barracks. Consider destroying wonders, extensive port upgrades and highest level markets as well if they don't really give you sufficient income in the short turn. Other than that: try to minimize your expenses: there's no need to construct a building in every city for every turn, and there probably is no need to have any other unit than mere garrisson units in the larger part of your empire. As far as the rich cities who do pay taxes on the borders of your empire (hint: India) are concerned, consider to make them level-4-settlements and to hire a local chieftan. He'll be expensive in upkeep (800 mnai/turn for some regions), but he's more likely to have tons of influence that allow you to set taxes higher. Switch your capital to the middle of your empire (in order to minimize the distance-to-capitalpenalties and the corruption) and hope you'll be fine. If not: I guess that means you've reached the outer limits of your reign as Saka. Spreading any further might only be possible as a more civilized faction.

Congratulations with your victories and conquests. I didn't yet manage to get that far as Saka,

Andy

Thanks a lot:bow:
for you :balloon2:

Congratulations with your victories and conquests. I didn't yet manage to get that far as Saka

I was too obsessed with The Great Khan.:charge:

[plutoboyz]

I'm tempted to push all the way to the Iberia in my Baktra game >_> then start a Keltoi game and push all the way East...

for some unknown reason, Rome always tempt me. no matter what faction I play. maybe because it is "Rome Total War".

[Mulceber]

If the spirit moves you, go for it. :thumbsup: -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

here my Saka after kicking my former ally.
https://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8226/64989543.jpg

I'm tired facing countless Phalanx in middle east so I turn my expansion to the north instead. but alas city in the north have poor income. I'm fail on economy. now I don have money. huh... I must admit, Sauromatae is tough. they give me a great joy. unlike those Diadochi. who became more and more defensive.

btw, how to remove fog of war?


Wow, that's a huge empire you got there pluto! good job! :thumbsup:

Even though the Saka are nomads I didn't expect their economy to be so weak, do you have lots of armies or something? :dizzy2:

[Mulceber]

Yeah, that could help - if you disband most of the units to the center and NE end of your Empire, that could save a lot of money. -M

[jirisys]

Yeah, that could help - if you disband most of the units to the center and NE end of your Empire, that could save a lot of money. -M

Nice change of image Mulceber, and arthur, chech the code for thew image you quoted (FAIL)

Anyway, it was kinda spammy, but hey, it's all even now :clown:

~Jirisys (Ludens likes me!!! yay! :happy:)

[Mulceber]

Thanks Jirisys, I think this one has more character than a faceless Roman Legionary...with Lorica Segmentata. Plus it helps that it's the face of my current faction leader.

New Update:

In the Summer of 134, Tb. Cursor was overseeing the construction of the siege works around Hierosolyma. The city was huge, and the administration of construction took him deep into the middle of the day. Being an old man of 62, his old body couldn't handle several hours of marching in the hot Judean sun. He caught heat stroke and died several days later, leaving his four legions in the care of M. Caesar. Caesar, for his part, had been able to see this event coming well in advance, as Cursor had been in poor health going into the campaign. He knew that one day, he would be the senior officer and, since he was no veteran, he did not feel it wise to maintain command of four legions. He could write to the Senate and request a replacement, but first he corresponded with his uncle, Decimus, on the matter. They both had their sources of information in Rome, and they both knew that the war on Gaul was extremely unpopular with the Senate. Now Decimus saw an opportunity to shore up his political security by seeing to it that the Legions in the Levant did not fall into the hands of a toady of the Senate, and help an old family friend at the same time: Spurius Octauius had spent the last ten years cooling his heels on Lesbos with neither command nor credit for his completion of the war on Pontos. So, on Decimus' suggestion, Marcus wrote to Octauius and requested that he fill the vacancy left by Cursor's death. A vigorous man of action, Octauius had considered his retirement little better than prison and, while he had little hope of reconciliation with the Senate, he knew that another command could not make matters worse than they already were. Moreover, it would feel good to be back on campaign. He accepted.

The reaction in the Senate was mutinous. The Optimates and the moderates loudly lamented the decline of their ancestral customs. What audacity! For a mere legate to presume to bestow Imperium in place of the Senate! The Populares responded vociferously, pointing out that Octauius was the most experienced commander in the Empire, but their voices were lost in the uproar. The Senate immediately voted on whether another man should be sent to relieve Octauius of command, but D. Sempronius Gracchus issued his veto and the motion failed. Thus Spurius' Imperium remained neither confirmed nor repudiated, and the conservatives in the Senate continued to stew.

As if to reinforce the position held by the Populares, Octauius promptly captured Hierosolyma. Out of respect for the Jews though, he enslaved no one and even issued a decree that no temples were to be allowed within the city, except for those dedicated to the Jews' One God. In Egypt C. Scipio took Pselkis while the reinforcements from Africa finally conquered Hibis. It was at this point that a messenger from the South arrived: in the wake of declining Ptolemaic power, the territories of the upper Nile had revolted to the tribes of the Saba, Rome's allies. Thus it seemed there was little left to do in Egypt. There were still warbands of the Hellenistic Pharaoh around, but they were weak. The pharaoh had run out of Klerouchs and thus had few Phalangitai. Their resistance was being mounted chiefly by native Egyptian warriors who, for all their bravery, were not equipped to fight against modern armies. One such warband even fell to a greatly-outnumbered army led by K. Valerius Messalla. Clearly the Ptolemaic dynasty was dying.

After rebuilding Bibracte's broken government, Decimus moved north and took Bratosporios and Cenabum in rapid succession. Since the former bordered on the lands of the Germani, he decided to confer on it the status of a Roman Province, in order that it might afford greater protection to Gaul as a whole. It was around this time that his soldiers began to refer to him with the cognomen "Gallicus," perhaps on the encouragement of his lieutenant, A. Scipio. Now he continued West and lay siege to Dariortum, the last hold-out of the Aedui Confederacy. At the same time, he commissioned the recruitment of four new legions in Tolosa and Massalia, and sent them north to provide a strong deterrent to the Suebi. It was at this time that the Aedui, realizing that they were close to being completely destroyed, attacked and seized the peaceful settlement of Lemonum. Now it became all the more important that Caesar Gallicus destroy the Aedui, lest the region of Gaul dissolve into utter chaos.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/103/3/5/almost_there_by_mulceber.jpg

[Cute Wolf]

not exactly an empire, but my lastest campaign (even while I got busy lately), grows into a really interesting turn, and incidentally looks like some kind of prelude to World war...

Turtling with Sweboz (H/M), 243 BC - Using EB-BI, and giving extra money to ai via add_money (and several alterations to edu)

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=3369&pictureid=36438

After a series of distatrous wars at their french holdings, the royal family of Arvernii choose to migrate into Austria (actually, I teleport them near Gawjam-Bastarnoz after a big stack of them want to besiege Swebostraustastamnoz, while all their cities in the west are besieged by Aedui (some kinda stupid move rigtht? first, they are my allies! as they seek suicide to clash with my gold chevroned stack). And as I want, they capture them, and start a sprawling new Austrian Empire of Boii (with monetary help of course), after some time sitting near Gawjam Silengoz, I decide to give it to them to stop their drooling mouth, and teleport most of them into the south afterwards, now we're still allied...

I also pimpin the Casse with extra money, and now, they are start their Casse landing script, and start to gain some grounds on the Continent. Interestingly, they did go to war with Aedui first, but then they made peace after taking the Dutch, and now allied with them instead.

Aedui is doing good, but after gaining Arvernii lands, they are stagnant now... looks like the French Republicans have lost their momentum to unite all french, because the Royalty fled to Austria and can't be executed.

Lusotana Kick Kart-hadast ass from Iberia, pretty much without any help, and grow into considerable power, allied themself with Me

Did Romaioi Barbaroi are doing good, currently at war with the Austrians, and gain some ground on Illyria, still allied with Karthadast, and made peace with Epeirotes...

Epeirot are still in Yugoslavia, somehow start a war with Arvernii, lose, and now they become protectorate of the Austrians...

Getai are still stucked in Poland, not expanding much despite I give them a lot of money... must be corrupted or somewhat with their leaders...

The Sauromatae are now formed proper Soviet Union, still allied with Saka, and start enroaching Austria...

Makedonia and Hellenes are still on wars about who had the right to use makedonia.... as Hellenes still call them with Fyrom, and they responed by taking on off Corinth, Athenai, and Demetrias....

Pontos has grow into Ponttoman Empire, covering much of the Turkey...

Hayasdan are sleeping and not doing much... looks like they are affraid enroaching the Soviets now...

The Iranians are still Holding themself in the east. Due to many WMD stacks they sit near Babylon and Persepolis (several fullstacks)

Pahlava and Baktria not expanding much, maybe they only selling goats and grow opium now...

People's Kingdom of Saka are harassing Iranians now, and sometimes bullying the Pahlavistan and baktrikistan too... but looks like they had another business to go arround... maybe pro-democratic demonstration in their far east holdings?

The Ptolemeans will made Khadaffi Proud, as they are holding Israellian lands now...

Karthadast are dominated by anti Barcid sentiments, and I think they have degrade into some kind of Pirate Nations... looks like the Barbary States...

[Andy1984]

Thanks a lot:bow:
for you :balloon2:

I'll carry it with pride in my sig,
Thanks,

Andy

[Nobo]

Here is my Romani Campaign. I'm a little ahead of schedule, conquering greece, but I guess that will leave me with plenty of time to prepare for the upcoming Third Punic War. Should be interesting. I've been trying to stick as closely as possible to a historical timeline (which took considerable restraint), which made the game A LOT more interesting. This is actually the longest I have ever been able to stick with a campaign.

https://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2811/rome256.png

I've been roleplaying my FMs a little. Quintus Claudius Nero was one of my most promising generals and I had high hopes for him becoming a reformator, but alas, he decided that I was an incompetent leader and is starting trouble, wherever he goes :furious3:

[Teucer]

Nice KH expansion there... (not to mention Rome, of course!)

[SwissBarbar]

What's that dark grey faction?

[Nobo]

Nice KH expansion there... (not to mention Rome, of course!)
Well, I have been helping them out in Asia Minor a lot. That gave me something to do, during those long years, when I didn't have any wars scheduled


What's that dark grey faction?

AS? For some reason they are a darker shade of grey around Alexandria.... no idea why

[SwissBarbar]

No, I don't mean that. Syria has another Grey than Bythinia for example. There are two grey colours, a dark one and a brighter one. Am I the only one who sees this?

[satalexton]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs458.ash1/25184_1299917305849_1467918459_30828363_7139227_n.jpg

A Rhomaioktonoi picture is worth a thousand Rhomaioktonoi words.

It's a transliteration thing, greek's a saintly language...

Summary of this crusade:

The Basileus of Aedui gathered all his initial troops and took out the Arverni, standard stuff. Taking Gergova was a little costlier than was expected. After the Arverni are dead and gone 4 depleted units of bataroas and 1/3 of a unit of leu epos were remainders of the initial forces. All the while Jebi was rampaging his sicily stack with Nellies against the One True Barbaroi....

The Basileus ton Basileon of Romaioktonoi decided that the Aedui must expand it's frontiers. A message was sent to the Basileus of Aedui and they quickly expanded their borders. Bononia, Segesta, Patavium, Massalia and etc... one by one they fell to mighty swords of The Romaioktono Dominion of Aedui. The Aedui army was simple: The Strategos and his horse guard and the 4 units of hardened swordsmen plus the veteran unit of cavalry, supported by levies of spearmen and slingers... The spearmen acted as fodder, the slingers rained holy death, the swordsmen cut down the foes and the horsemen provided the coup de grace. All was well.

Around 245 BC, His saintness, the Klibanarophoros ton Rhomaioktonon sent a messenger to the Basileus of the Aedui. A particular german tribe had the seeds of Herecy planted within them: Philromaios-ism. These treachous fiends abandoned their identity as humans and begun rampaging through Germania, edging slowly towards the Romaioktono Dominion of the Aedui. Alarmed, the Basileus enlisted Arthur(, the future king of the Britons) and declared a minor crusade against the Heretics.

Arthur did his charge well, and Duguntz aided him by sending a unit of heavily armed kinsmen, hand picked from his own retainers. These men later provided the inspiration for the Maille-guards. The Herecy was soon stopped, and the Basileus begun to witness the potential of Arthur.

The Crusade agains the heretics was ending when The One True Barbaroi gained an advantage against Jebi. The Eperiotes immediately declared war on Barbaropolis, and provided some of the pressure in Jebi's stead as he gathered his strength. However, Barbaropolis was angered by the falling of the Heretics- their fanboys and supporters. As the last of the heretic stronghold fell, Barbaropolis began to march against the Romaioktono Dominion of Aedui.

Arthur would not have that. Armed with the Bartixian death spear, he rallied and bunch of Bartix worshippers to strip naked and arm themselves. The One True Barbaroi must not be allowed to live.

Barbaropolis made many piecemeal attacks on Bononia. The failed epicly, losing many of their fanboy parody of generals to the spears of Bartix. Their mouths shall spill Pro-Roman filth no more. The war was in fact, becoming rather fun and artistic. Arthur began inventing various ways to exterminate the Heinous Romans. The war dragged onto the Winter of 225.

While the States of Italia have learned the error of their ways (either that or becoming another piece of Arthur's artwork) and pledge their effort against Barbaropolis, The Polis of the One True Barbaroi still stands. Frustrated by the playful inaction of young Arthur, Theos Basileus ton Basileon Maion Maroneios temporily took control of Arthur's body while he was asleep (he was tired from making 'Roman-Candles' for his mommy) and renewed the Crusade.

The walls of Barbaropolis was flimsy, the will of the Barbaroi was weak. Maion, the god king of kings all Romaioktonoi, saw no point in using any sophisticated strategies. He turned a few captured Philromaioi into kebab n fed them to his chickens. The cowardly romans quickly opened their gates in fear and Barbaropolis was taken.

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How shall this campaign continue? What shall be the fate of the barbaroi that dwell in Barbaropolis? How shall they be slaughtered?

[Fluvius Camillus]

Did you have to do that? It's quite familiar, maybe a page earlier? A look at your faction leader would probably be a lot more informative about your Aedui Empire.

What's with the "h", you say Rhomaioktonoi and your sig userbar says Romaioktonoi.

~Fluvius

[Mulceber]

Roma was often transliterated into Greek with a rough breathing mark, because Rhoma was the Greek word for "strength." Thus it was convenient propaganda for the Romans in the east to add a rough breathing mark to the name of their city. There were even many Easterners who worshiped the goddess Rhoma as a personification both of the city and of strength.

But I agree, that was uncalled for. -M

[Marcus Darkstar]

https://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/Magus65/EB%20Photo%20album/MacedonianSupremacy.jpg

Started my Macedonian campaign over a week ago and hot dam I'm having fun. I can see why people like doing AAR's with the Macedonians their RP potential is fantastic. Plus once you get the monkey off your back which are the Eperiots taking Greece is simple. First moves i did was first taking Athens then focuing all my attention on the Eperoits. I pushed them off the Greek Peninsula and isolated them on Italy. Though this lead to fears of Eperoits overtaking Rome (real fear since they had taken Capua) so i allied with Rome and took Taras from them.

They've for the last oh several decades barely have hanged onto Capua with about 6 generals and 2 butti infanty stationed there. After I took Sparte I began using it as an exclusive training ground for all Macedonian FM's building a top lvl education building there and having them all undergo the Spartan Agode. Its been real succesful in churning out quality FM's. I then took Crete, Rhodos, and killed the Hellens off for good at Peregamon. I then bribed Saradis from the Sel's who were my allies at the time. Got me a transgression message from them lol. After that Pontos seiged Byzantium several times to no avail (so much so got my FM there hating Easterners) thanks to the Phalanx street defense tactic using Levy phalanx's.

I then killed Pontos off by sending off two Royal Imperial Armies using the Commander shown here and my Faction Leader afterwards we took Salamis and Alexandreia from the Ptolomies using the Royal Imperial Armies (basically of similair compositon each though my Faction leader has less Heavy Pelasti and a 1 talen seige engine. I made the Royal Imperial Armies trying to cut down my massive surplus which i mainly got from my lvl 2 Mines I've built across Asia Minor and the ones i got in Rhegion, and upper territories of Macedonia. Been thinking of claiming that last Indepdent City that lies between me and Getai but having mustered the proper force yet to take and hold the city.

Also if your wondering how Rome got so much money I purhcased Taras from them for intial payment of 20,000 and regular tribute of 2,500 each turn for the next 10 years. (yes im generous I want those dam Romans to survive and build a dam Huge city already... I want my reformed Phalanxes :( ) So im at war with Egypt, Carthage, high tensions with Sel due to their two stacks as seen at Salamis, and allied with Haydasan, Rome, and ironically also allied with the Iberians.

[Andy1984]

What's that dark grey faction?
It's is unexplored territory. Not everyone likes to use the show_map option. :)

[Marcus Darkstar]

lulz right after i posted my pic and status update things changed drastically in my game. Basically Carthage, Sel and Egypt have all allied to wage war against me more effectively they think :). So i got the entire African continent plus the Sel Empire into a Allied Coalition force against me. I feel special.

[satalexton]

Then show them wt the sons of Megas ALexandros are made of! TO WAR!!! ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!!

Also, NEVER EVER turn your back from Barbaropolis. Those fiends will always bite you in the ass. Best you exterminate them before they pour into gaul, or else 50 years from now you'll be fighting stack after stack of.....Vigiles.

[Duguntz]

No... NOOOOOOO Vigiles everywhere... make them go awaaaayyyyy. Now that I kicked those barbaroi out of barbaropolis, they're confined to Taras and sicily, and I receive stack after stack of... Akonkistai... and couples of levy hoplite... what a challenge. but I can' get rid of 'em as my war against those spaniards drain my coffers... bloody bastards

[Marcus Darkstar]

Then show them wt the sons of Megas ALexandros are made of! TO WAR!!! ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!!

Also, NEVER EVER turn your back from Barbaropolis. Those fiends will always bite you in the ass. Best you exterminate them before they pour into gaul, or else 50 years from now you'll be fighting stack after stack of.....Vigiles.

I'm keeping the Romans alive merely to get the Time of March event triggered to get my reforms. Once thats done I'm going to get rid of them. Taras itself is protected by 4 Levy Phalanx, 4 Krete Archers, 4 Sammite Heavy Infantry and 2 Campain Calvary (Relatively the same in Syracousi and Rhegion).

Ptolemaioi has already suffered the warth of Leonidos Argeades commander of the 2nd Royal Imperial Army near Heirosylma their new Capital in a stunning victory which only cost 13 Macedonian lives for almost 2500 of Ptolemaioi. It showed Macedonian supremacy of arms. (their army mostly composed of several Hellenic Medium Phallanx, several Heavy Pelasti, and native hellenic spearmen)

https://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/Magus65/HeirosylmaMassacre.jpg

[Fluvius Camillus]

Your army is of very good quality! No wonder those Ptolemaioi were destroyed so easily!

~Fluvius

[anubis88]

That's what you call an unbeatable army... Is it even fun playing with all hugely experienced units, most of them even elites? You can practicaly conquer half the world with such a stack and a good doctor as a commander, without even a sweat :)

[Marcus Darkstar]

I've gotten pretty much a Macedonian ironclad defense for my walled cities that border my rivals. Its a two teir defense.

1st Defense Tier (Walls themselves)
Stationed Units: 4 Heavy Infantry/Hellenic Spearmen, 4 Archer units
2nd Defense Teir: (2-4 Main Street pathways)
4 Phalanx units

Basically even if they manage to take the walls ill still have the phalanxes in the streets for them to contend with. Havnt had a chance to really put it to the test yet but its basically a combo of two of proven defense stradegies.


Your army is of very good quality! No wonder those Ptolemaioi were destroyed so easily!

Yes lol the Macedonians are richer than the 4 major factions combined so they can afford it. My navy also has already 4 units of those huge hellenic ships. I got three royal armies now all of which have similiar compositions with minor differences in supporting light-heavy infantry to the Elite phalanx.

[SwissBarbar]

It's is unexplored territory. Not everyone likes to use the show_map option. :)

Lol, now you say it. I thought he changed the colour of a faction.

[lionhard]

This mite sound noob but, how do u get the full map option? i.e. so its all explored for you. Also if you use this option do u get ton revert back to normal with the shroud?

Iv always explored my maps but i would like to try it on this one campaign i have :)

[SwissBarbar]

He means the "toggle_fow" cheat, which shows you all the map. I use it, when I want to post screenshots here

[Fluvius Camillus]

I use my starting spies and diplomats to explore the whole world (map information, exploring).

After that you can always right click the territory to see who really is the owner.

~Fluvius

[Marcus Darkstar]

That's what you call an unbeatable army... Is it even fun playing with all hugely experienced units, most of them even elites? You can practicaly conquer half the world with such a stack and a good doctor as a commander, without even a sweat :)

Yes.. Yes it is. I'm having fun using the Hellenistic model army. As much as I like Rome i've grown to dislike their overly simplistic army of Heavy Infantry....Besides the AI never beats me in combat on land anyways unless they attack a vulnerable stack of about 1-2 units that i sent out to mobilize with the rest of my army.

I could conquer all the world if i wanted though wont be able to have the FM's and garrison troops to keep it lol. Trying to restrict my conquest speed by always having +2 FM's than the number of settlements i own.

[Mulceber]

As much as I like Rome i've grown to dislike their overly simplistic army of Heavy Infantry....

Try fighting using accurate Roman legions then. It involves far more skirmishers and lighter-armed hastati. If you're interested, Quintus Sertorius' guide provides details on accurate Roman combat. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?101787-Quintus-Sertorius-Guide-to-Conduct-Becoming-of-a-True-Roman-%28Redux-for-EB%29&highlight=Quintus+Sertorius -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Wow.. this thread has grown to be quite popular, with 352 posts and 11 000 views.. Keep up the good work everyone! :thumbsup:

[Poulp']

https://j.imagehost.org/0092/0578_Now.jpg (https://j.imagehost.org/view/0092/0578_Now)
Hayasdan campaign
After withstanding the AS attacks for ten years, they just died down on me.

https://j.imagehost.org/0328/0178_NoW.jpg (https://j.imagehost.org/view/0328/0178_NoW)
Epeiros campaign
Owning SPQR in the old sweat and blood style.

[Marcus Darkstar]

Try fighting using accurate Roman legions then. It involves far more skirmishers and lighter-armed hastati. If you're interested, Quintus Sertorius' guide provides details on accurate Roman combat. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?101787-Quintus-Sertorius-Guide-to-Conduct-Becoming-of-a-True-Roman-%28Redux-for-EB%29&highlight=Quintus+Sertorius -M

I did use historically accurate im talking about when you hit Marian Reforms.

Sure you can use allies to fill in the ranks of... almost everything else you need besides Heavy Infantry but meh i got tired of exporting large quanties of needing auxilaries to the needed theaters of war from across the world over....

[Nobo]

I did use historically accurate im talking about when you hit Marian Reforms.

Sure you can use allies to fill in the ranks of... almost everything else you need besides Heavy Infantry but meh i got tired of exporting large quanties of needing auxilaries to the needed theaters of war from across the world over....

That's actually one of the things I like the most about the Romani. I think it's fun to organize all the logistical details, making sure my legions are reinforced and resupplied.

[Mulceber]

Agreed - it's one of those little details that makes the game come alive and feel like the real classical world. But to each his own. -M

[plutoboyz]

This is Glorious day!
https://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6862/79379261.jpg

thank to some weird bug. I was just playing with my diplomat. I've take everything from Hayasdan. I Kill their faction heirs, faction leader take all settlement and left Armavir with its king alone. then I open diplomatic scroll and offer: phraaspa, karbala and Mtskheta and accept or we will attack. then they just became my protectorate. mwahahahaha!

[Fluvius Camillus]

WOW NICE!

Very well done Plutoboyz, that is a nice Saka empire! I see you resolved the money issue too!

~Fluvius

[plutoboyz]

WOW NICE!

Very well done Plutoboyz, that is a nice Saka empire! I see you resolved the money issue too!

~Fluvius

thanks to Hai for accepting my proposal. which I believe its a bug.:laugh4:

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Capturing a couple more Middle Eastern territories and giving up Asodat would make you the EB-map portion of the Mongol Empire:skull:

[Mulceber]

Congrats, Plutoboyz! Nice empire. -M

[plutoboyz]

Capturing a couple more Middle Eastern territories and giving up Asodat would make you the EB-map portion of the Mongol Empire:skull:

well, actually I have more evil plan. My force are divided into 2 division. north and south.

The north will capture most balkan, then devide into two. north1 will go to west conquer Germanic, Celtic and Iberian. north2 will go capture Ilyria then Raze italy then wait for south2.

The south will be devided into two south1 will dominate anatolia and then greece, south2 will devastate arabia, then Egypt. after that join with North2 for Carthage.


Congrats, Plutoboyz! Nice empire. -M

thanks, and beware! my forces already in Balkan. >:D

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Real nice Saka empire Pluto! May your enemies shiver in fear. :P

[plutoboyz]

Real nice Saka empire Pluto! May your enemies shiver in fear. :P

thanks. just wait until I figure how to build fleet. once I manged to build fleet, you'll see my HA in casse. mwahahahaha...:P

[WinsingtonIII]

thanks. just wait until I figure how to build fleet. once I manged to build fleet, you'll see my HA in casse. mwahahahaha...:P

If you're planning on building the ships in the Baltic, have fun with the pirates.... In my Sweboz campaign my invasion of Britian is indefinitely stalled because there are two full stacks of pirates, as well as 5 or 6 mini stacks with only 3-4 ships running around. I can handle the little stacks, but the two full stacks are pretty much impossible because they always sit right next to each other, which means that if I attack them they reinforce each other and I'm facing 40+ ships at once. I certainly don't have the money for 40+ ships of my own...

[Fluvius Camillus]

If you're planning on building the ships in the Baltic, have fun with the pirates.... In my Sweboz campaign my invasion of Britian is indefinitely stalled because there are two full stacks of pirates, as well as 5 or 6 mini stacks with only 3-4 ships running around. I can handle the little stacks, but the two full stacks are pretty much impossible because they always sit right next to each other, which means that if I attack them they reinforce each other and I'm facing 40+ ships at once. I certainly don't have the money for 40+ ships of my own...

When I conquered the world with Baktria, those fullstack pirates went all the way to Rhodes, I amassed a fleet there (A LOT ships and scored double heroic victories, because I had them attack me!)

But thats with sturdy Hellene ships, not with Sweboz, that would be very hard!

~Fluvius

[Duguntz]

for my invasion of britain as Sweboz, I embarked my full stack on two ships, merged together, at Bacagos (the ships of corse have been attacked by pirates, but they didn't sank and escaped near the coast of britain, with 8 men still alife on them...) at bacagos, a waiting army embarked, I disembarked them on britain, and the next turn my flotilla was sunked, so my army was standing without any back up on unfriendly territory, after several heroic victory, i managed to conquered (and destroy) casse, with the same army, same general... He had 10 stars (at the end of the conquest)...

[Madoushi]

I finally got it to work! :cry:

https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q309/AWanderingFlame/makedon1.png

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Nice to know that you finally got that screenshot capturing thing to work, Madoushi. Nice Makedonian empire, that faction is really quite something.

Here is a brief summary on my empire, with a lot of info I haven't shared with you guys before. I've lost all savegames up to 193 BC, that's why I lack pictures in this entry.

The Antigonid ΒΑΣΕΛΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ (and other noteworthy members of the Antigonid line):


https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/AntigonidFamilj.jpg


1. ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΑΝΤΙΓΟΝΟΣ ΓΟΝΑΤΑΣ: (Reign 272 - 259 BC), it was he who defended the Makedonian homelands from ΠΥΡΡὉΣ, ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΕΙΡΟΣ and conquered the southern Hellenic City states, Athenai and Sparte. Before his death he launched an invasion of Epeiros, but succumbed to a fever before any decisive battles were fought.

2. ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ ΝΙΚΑΤΟΡ: (Reign 259 - 228 BC) In his youth he conquered Dardonia as well as the islands of Crete and Rhodos. Later when his father died it was who he took command of the royal forces and defeated ΠΥΡΡὉΣ and thus put an end to the Epeirot threat to Makedonia. Rather than establishing a Satrapy he integrated Epeiros directly into the Makedonian homelands and many Epeirots were given Makedonian citizenship, which ensured their loyalty. When the Ptolemaio attacked the Arche Seleukeia and conquered most of their western holdings, ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ responded quickly. By 232 BC he had conquered all of Asia Minor and the Levantine. When he entered Hierosolyma he made sure his army made as little damage as possible, and he allowed the Ioudaioi to practise their own religion and all temples devoted to another god than the Judean one were banned within the city walls. The Ioudaioi were even allowed to keep their independence and would only have to form a strong alliance with the Makedones and the Ioudaioi hailed ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ as a grand saviour. One day when ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ was going for a walk a young man walked up to him with a dagger in his hand. He stabbed him 12 times in the chest, surprised, with his dying breath ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ said: “What was it all for?” The young man was a poor junior officer from Athenai who was enraged by the lack of loot during the conquest of Hierosolyma and whose parents back in Hellas depended on the money he sent them. In a matter of seconds after the Basileus’s death the murderer was cut down by the Hypaspistai Royal corps.


3. ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΠΕΡΣΕΥΣ (Reign 228 – 212 BC) When his father battled the Ptolemaio in Minor Asia and the Levant, ΠΕΡΣΕΥΣ “took the fight” to the enemy’s “homeland”, Aigyptos.
The Ptolemaio did not suspect this and was forced to flee to Meroe while Makedonia conquered all of their other holdings. Later after the death of ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ they were forced to sign a very humiliating peace treaty with the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ.
When ΠΕΡΣΕΥΣ was crowned ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ entered a period of peace and prosperity one that would last until the betrayal of the Arche Seleukeia in 216 BC.
A long and bitter war between the former allies was at hand, one that ended in Makedonian victory and the inclusion of Hayasdan and Babylonia in the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ.
In the spring of 214 BC the forces of Kart-Hadast without a warning or declaration of war, invaded Aigyptos. ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΠΕΡΣΕΥΣ rode out to meet them and won many a heroic victories. But at the end there were too many of them and he and his mobile forces were annihilated by the sons of Baal-Hammon, and thus he perished in 212 BC, leaving the throne to his second son ΣΕΛΕΦΚΟΣ aged only 17 years old.



4. ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΣΕΛΕΦΚΟΣ (Reign 212 – 195)
When ΣΕΛΕΦΚΟΣ arrived in Aigyptos he pushed the Kart-Hadastei out of there with great difficulty. He conquered Kyrene and seized the site of the Oracle of Ammon known as Ammonion. A prophesy was offered to him by the Oracle, though being an ignorant and anti-religious, inbreed buffoon, he rejected the offer and went further westwards, towards Kart-Hadast. News arrived that the ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ’s son had died under suspicious circumstances, and because of these turn of events the ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ fell into a deep depression, one that interfered with his “work”.
For a short period of time he held the city in his grasp, but was in 198 BC forced to fall back towards Aigyptos. The Kart-Hadastei was impressed by his prowess in combat and so they wanted the war to come to an end. Neither side hade anything to win on prolonged conflict, for both the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ and the Safot Softim biQarthadast, had lost many men and mnai. So in 197 BC there was at last peace between the two rival nations. On his return to Aigyptos in 195 BC he was assassinated, by a robed figure, seemingly of Makedonian origin. He was able to escape but, he dropped an important piece of evidence, the signet ring of ΠΕΡΔΙΚΚΑΣ (Perdikkas), the corrupt and selfish brother of the Basileus. He himself claimed that the assassin was of Punic origin, sent from Kart-Hadast. He had planed to proclaim himself as ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ and his son ΕΥΒΟΥΛΙΔΕΣ as his heir, currently being in Syria. The popular Strategos ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ and his family however decided to stand against this great injustice for the greater good of the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ. With no ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ruling the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ at the moment, civil war seemed inevitable.


Alexandros, his family and the ΒΑΣΕΛΕΙΣ of the Alexandrid line:

(Since I’ve already written about many of these things this part is a bit short)

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ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, the nephew of ΑΝΤΙΓΟΝΟΣ ΓΟΝΑΤΑΣ were put in charge of an army and was to Illyria, a lawless region from which many pirates hailed from. The intent of this trip was to stop the constant pirate raids on Makedonia, and to hopefully subjugate the people of the land. Before travelling to Illyria however he married an Epeirote princess named Chryse. She was the only surviving member of the Aeacid dynasty and daughter of ΠΥΡΡὉΣ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΕΙΡΟΣ and the marriage was to cement the relations between the two families. Thus the family of ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ and ΠΥΡΡὉΣ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΕΙΡΟΣ was forged into one and all children of ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ could claim descent from ΠΥΡΡὉΣ and even ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ (!)
ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ nevertheless dealt with the pirate problem and he and his descendants were to govern Illyria and eventually further even regions further westwards.



In 265 BC the First Romaioi war brook out, and ΑΓΙΣ, first born son of ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ led the Makedonian forces in opposition. The war ended with Makedonian triumph and the Romaioi were forced to part with northern Italia, a region the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ gave to their keltoi allies, the Arveni to act as a buffer.

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1. ΜΕΓΑΣ ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ (Born 235 BC) (Reign 193- 173 BC)
When the Second Romaioi war broke out ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ was given command of the makedonian forces. During his campaign, he was fascinated by the road systems of the Romaioi and also their military composition. After barely surviving an ambush by the flexible forces of the SPQR, he decided that a Makedonian version of these troops would be useful, and thus the Makedonian Thorakitai was born.
After the Romaioi was properly subjugated by his forces he left his uncle in charge of Italia, and set sail towards Makedonia. For Civil War seemed inevitable and ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ, being an unselfish person could not let this tyrant impostor take the throne of Makedonia in his filthy hands.

ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ was crowned ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ in the winter of 193 BC, and left for the Syria where ΠΕΡΔΙΚΚΑΣ and his few supporters were. When he arrived he fought a fierce battle against the forces of ΠΕΡΔΙΚΚΑΣ . In the end his veterans easily defeated the forces of the impostor. ΠΕΡΔΙΚΚΑΣ son was spared, for he was too young to be put to blame for his father’s crimes, this choice was questioned by many however. ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ were able to return to Pella the next spring. During the following years he made radical military reforms, completely replacing the phalangitai with Thorakitai as the new rank and file soldiers.
Vast building projects across Makedonia were being erected, among those romaioi styled roads, which would help the armies of Makedonia to quickly reach their destination.
When the Second Kart-Hadstei War began in 173 BC ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ sent his son ΝΕΙΚΩΝ, a man destined for greatness, to Africa.

ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ pasted away quietly in his sleep a week after his son’s departure, knowing that for the time being the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ was safe.

2. ΝΕΙΚΩΝ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ (Reign 173- 144 BC) (I’m going through this quickly since I’ve already written about it some pages back) ΝΕΙΚΩΝ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ won many heroic victories against the Kart-Hadast and conquered all their lands. He even conquered all of Iberia and started training Thorakitai from amongst the Libikoi and Keltoi as a sort of auxiliary force, the Thorakitai’s training and equipment were also to be financed by the state after ΝΕΙΚΩΝ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ’s refoms.
ΝΕΙΚΩΝ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ also gave Makedonian citizenship to all Hellenes within the ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ, and financed major art projects around the ΑΡΧΕ. Hellenic culture flourished under his rule and all of mainland Hellas was included directly into the Makedonian homelands.
He just like his father died quietly in his sleep in the capital aged 75.

3. ΜΕΓΑΣ ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔΕΣ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ ΣΟΤΕΡ (Reign 144 - ? BC)

Explanation of Greek names:


ΑΝΤΙΓΟΝΟΣ ΓΟΝΑΤΑΣ = Antigonos Gonatas

ΠΥΡΡὉΣ, ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΤΟΝ ΕΠΕΙΡΟΣ = Pyrrhos Basileus ton Epeiros

ΒΑΣΕΛΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΡΧΕ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΕ = Basileis ton Arche Makedonike

ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΑΛΚΥΟΝΕΟΣ ΝΙΚΑΤΟΡ = Basileus Alkyoneus Nikator

ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΠΕΡΣΕΥΣ = Basileus Perseus

ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΣΕΛΕΦΚΟΣ = Basileus Selephkos

ΒΑΣΕΛΕΙΣ = Basileis

ΜΕΓΑΣ ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ = Megas Isodorianos

ΕΥΒΟΥΛΙΔΕΣ = Euboulides

ΠΕΡΔΙΚΚΑΣ = Perdikkas

ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ = Alexandros

ΑΓΙΣ = Agis

ΜΕΓΑΣ ΙΣΟΔΟΡΙΑΝΟΣ = Megas Isodorianos

ΝΕΙΚΩΝ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ = Neikon Nikator

ΜΕΓΑΣ ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔΕΣ ΝΙΚΑΤΩΡ ΣΟΤΕΡ = Megas Olympiades Nikator Soter

Comments are appreciated. :P

[Fluvius Camillus]

@Arthur

Here's a comment!

That was a fine read! I always like the story telling from the point of the ruler's reign, wether it is about the actions of a historical ruler in a history book or a fictional one like in this mini aar, I really liked reading it. The details like the Thorakitai reform and the Roman road adaption made it even better. You also spiced things up with some good old Hellenic palace intrigue. If I were to report my campaigns like this it wouldnt be much fun because it would only be about succes and the conqueror of this or that. Yours has more roleplaying and some setbacks.

Keep it up!

~Fluvius

[SwissBarbar]

Nice Story Arthur. Why not making an official AAR ?

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

@Arthur

Here's a comment!

That was a fine read! I always like the story telling from the point of the ruler's reign, wether it is about the actions of a historical ruler in a history book or a fictional one like in this mini aar, I really liked reading it. The details like the Thorakitai reform and the Roman road adaption made it even better. You also spiced things up with some good old Hellenic palace intrigue. If I were to report my campaigns like this it wouldn't be much fun because it would only be about succes and the conqueror of this or that. Yours has more roleplaying and some setbacks.

Keep it up!

~Fluvius



Nice Story Arthur. Why not making an official AAR ?

Wow thanks guys! Tell you what, since I got so nice comments/feedback from you two I actually might start an official AAR :2thumbsup:. Though it probably not be updated too often and will take a while until I start doing the AAR. And I already have some things planned for the ΑΡΧH ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚH, hopefully things that will be interesting/surprising etc.

[Mulceber]

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The Aedui confederation was almost broken. Dariortum had fallen to the troops of Caesar Gallicus, and the only city remaining was Lemonum. In the time it took the Proconsul to establish order in Dariortum and march south, however, Aedui supporters within the city of Avaricum staged a revolt that expelled the peaceful Arverni ruler from the city. Apart from Burdigala, the entirety of Aquitania was in armed revolt. Caesar knew that the revolt had to be put down quickly, lest the surrounding provinces, now at peace with Rome, take the insurrection as inspiration to create trouble. With that in mind, he assigned his lieutenant, A. Scipio to attack Avaricum with two legions while he himself took on the larger Gallic army at Lemonum. As he approached the city, Caesar's scouts reported that the Gallic army had drawn up and was prepared for battle. The enemy was numerous, but largely composed of raw recruits, no match for Caesar's veterans. After a brief battle they routed, and the city surrendered itself to the Proconsul, who duly spared them the shame of slavery. A few days later, news arrived that Scipio had encountered even less resistance and had taken few casualties at Lemonum. Breathing a sigh of relief, Caesar took up the quill and sent a dispatch to the Senate: "gallia est pacata."

News of Caesar's victory was well-received by all in the Senate, although each faction had its different reasons. Associates and Political Allies of the Proconsul lauded his victory and immediately began to speak of awarding a triumph. The moderates offered praise to the gods that at least the war was over, while the conservatives crowed that any pretext for prolonging Caesar's consulship had died with the war. Once Caesar laid down his Imperium, he would be fair game in the courts. This inconvenience was not overlooked either by Caesar or the Populares. Thus, the tribune D. Sempronius Gracchus called together the popular assembly and delivered a motion that Caesar be allowed to run for a second consulship in absentia. The motion passed overwhelmingly. The Senate was in uproar. Even the moderates protested this break with constitutional government, and when Caesar won the consulship of 125, tension turned into violence. The Senate voted to declare Caesar an enemy of the Res Publica, but Gracchus issued his veto. The Senate ignored this gesture and sent the Consular D. Cornelius Arvina north to confront the Proconsul. Meanwhile they sent Caesar's new colleague, a conservative named Cn. Valerius Flaccus across the Adriatic to take command of the legions of Macedonia and Illyricum and bring them back to Italy for the defense of the Capital.

In early spring of 125, the forces of Caesar and Arvina met in Etruria.
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Fighting was harsh, as eight well-disciplined and experienced legions struggled against each other.
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Caesar's right wing hovered on the brink of defeat for almost an hour, enduring a withering attack from the forces of the Senate.
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The left wing and center were faring much better, however, and soon the majority of the Republican forces were routing.
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With more of his men freed up, Caesar flanked the forces battering his right wing and completed his victory. As his soldiers were picking through the dead, they found Arvina, still alive, trapped underneath the weight of his dead horse. As per orders, they brought him to their Imperator. Arvina offered Caesar his surrender, and with a kiss on the cheek, the Consul pardoned him and tasked him with returning to Rome with his instructions for the Senate: in this state of emergency they were to pass the Senatus Consultum Ultimum and start drawing up plans to allocate land for his veterans. Meanwhile the Consul began to prepare to cross to Greece and face his colleague.

This was never to come to pass, however, for before long, information began to trickle in about what had occurred in Greece. Flaccus had made his way to Macedonia to pick up the two legions stationed there, and at the same time sent a message to the propraetor of Illyricum, C. Claudius Pulcher, with instructions to meet him at Ambrakia with the two legions allotted to his province. Pulcher was an old Aristocrat who had long been a member of the Optimates and was thus considered trustworthy. Among his friends, however, he had frequently voiced monarchic sentiments, and he was very ambitious. Seeing the possibilities of Civil Conflict, he disobeyed Flaccus' instructions and marched east. In the mountains dividing Macedonia from Epeiros, he ambushed the Consul and his two legions.
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Flaccus was caught off-guard by this betrayal and thus, his forces were quickly routed by Pulcher's men. In the wake of this disaster, Flaccus presented himself to the Propraetor and offered unconditional surrender. Pulcher had him executed. He then made preparations to send his two legions to guard Macedonia while he traveled alone with his bodyguard to Rome.

Caesar received his new ally with open arms, praising him for bringing a swift end to the conflict and supporting the rights of the Consul, though he took care not to mention Pulcher's treatment of the other Consul for that year. The Senate began to go through the process of selecting a replacement for his colleague, but Caesar demurred. He told them he would serve the remainder of his term sine collega. Disgruntled, but happy that there was to be no further violence, the Senate accepted and, on the urging of the populares, awarded Caesar a triumph, which he celebrated in fall of the same year.

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[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Wow, so the Romaioi are deploying Legiones Sacae to fight Caesar?:clown:

[Mulceber]

Other way around :yes: Caesar is deploying Legiones Sacae to defeat the Senate. :clown: Speaking of which, I just want to offer my thanks to Arthur, for helping me to mod EB so that I could have the legiones sacae. -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Nice and interesting read.
Maybe you should have switched banners of though :clown:

[Mulceber]

I would have, except I don't know how. Any advice? -M

[Andy1984]

Open your RTW-EBmap, open the EB-map in it, open the Preferences-map in that one, and you should find a txt-file named 'preferences'. Mine has a line "SHOW_BANNERS:FALSE" in it. I guess yours has a "SHOW_BANNERS:TRUE". Just change it.

kind regards,

Andy

[Skuda]

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This is the first time when I managed to play beyond 200 BC! Though my campaign is still far from completion.

It's 199 BC, EB on Alx.exe, Atraphoenix legions mod with some changes to the EDU (-4 to attack for all spearmen and some minor changes). The question is - what faction am I controlling? (hint - it's not Casse)

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Averni?

[Poulp']

The question is - what faction am I controlling? (hint - it's not Casse)

Sauromatae ?

[Duguntz]

rome, trying to follow a near accurate conquest timeline...?

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

rome, trying to follow a near accurate conquest timeline...?

Probably not. Otherwise the Karthadastim would almost certainly be out of Iberia and he would have Korsim and Sardin already.

[Lt Kapout]

Arverni because they always loose against aedui....Only hold gergovia

[Skuda]

Hehe... It's Koinon Hellenon

[Unintended BM]

I was going to say that Kyrene rebels to the AS and not the KH, so you were most likely them.

That map is pretty good for 199, usually by that time on my games, AS or Ptolemy are gone and the other one controls like half the map. It looks like the Ptolemies have the upper hand, but AS isn't done yet. Luso are also usually well into Gaul by that time.

[Skuda]

I was going to say that Kyrene rebels to the AS and not the KH, so you were most likely them.

That map is pretty good for 199, usually by that time on my games, AS or Ptolemy are gone and the other one controls like half the map. It looks like the Ptolemies have the upper hand, but AS isn't done yet. Luso are also usually well into Gaul by that time.

I conquered Kyrene by myself and at the same time lost Trapezous to AS and Chersonesos to Eleutheroi

AS and Ptolemaioi are concentrated on me and therefore last 30 years or so ) Though recently I run short of money (no more than 30-35000 mnai) and accepted Ptolemaioi offer of protectorate. SPQR also made Aedui their protectorate so they are expanding northwest VERY slowly. Lusotannan almost lost a war agaist Qarthadastim but then I gave them loads of money and they started counter-offensive. Saka and Baktria look like fightimg AS together so Seleukeia is having trouble subjugating Baktria even after they had knocked out Pahlava

[Mulceber]

Thanks for the advice, Andy, I'll be sure to do that for the next battles I post.

Nice Empire, Skuda - maybe if you take Sardis from the AS, they could be persuaded to make peace with you - generally speaking, the AI only desires a state of war if they have a border with you. Eliminate that border and they'll give you peace. -M

[Skuda]

Nice Empire, Skuda - maybe if you take Sardis from the AS, they could be persuaded to make peace with you - generally speaking, the AI only desires a state of war if they have a border with you. Eliminate that border and they'll give you peace. -M

I know. But after capture of Sardis I will have to hold the defence in three regions of Asia Minor instead of two. Then again, Sardis with its two mines can make up to 6000 mnai per season, so it can support at least half stack of able troops alone.

[Mulceber]

Sounds like a plan :thumbsup: -M

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Yeah nice empire Skuda.

(shameless bump)

[Nobo]

(shameless bump)
There you go:

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This is my current Macedonian Campaign. I've been trying to pace myself, by playing a global police force and making sure no faction got too powerful. For example, I re-conquered most of Italy for my Roman allies, after Karthadast sacked Roma. Unfortunately I failed miserably in establishing a balance of power in the east, because I underestimated the Ptolemaioi and actually helped them take some AS settlements :disappointed: So now I am fighting off 2 stacks, full of Elite Phalanx units each turn, which is already getting a little old. The only way I even managed to take those two levant cities, was by sneaking a spy in there and then launching a naval attack, after he opened the gates... but now the reinforcements come knocking on my door every turn....

[Teucer]

That's some Yellow Death you've got there... I don't envy you having to deal with all those phalangites:no:

[Duguntz]

Here's the Sweboz expansion, behold the mighty Germanic Kingdom, might ye all shiver in front of our gods!

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Ha, the year is 198 BC, and the formerly Makedonian imigrations have, finally, been repealed by Persians... I'm fighting on two fronts, Repelling stack after stack from Lusotan (blistering barnacle of bloody battles, fortunatly, with my bodyguard being the only one wearing effective armour, i can laugh at their AP weapons! MOUHAHAHAHAHA!) and fighting the Epeirotes on my eastern flank... my north east is.... COMPLETLY SECURE the AI having time to built stack after stack of triple gold chevron armies, and there's NO WAY I'll go play there... one problem, after gawjam-bastarnoz (my last settlement in order to fulfill my campaing requirement) revolted to me, a fullstack of horse archer took it almost free of casualty while decimating my whole army..., and there's a wall of fullstacks of Bionic AI soldiers under 10 stars generals wich effectively block my way till that last settlement... and I realise with.... pitty... that I'll have to carve my way threw epeirote, Sarmate, and Dacia, before reaching it from the south... many years of campaining in perspective...

[MButcher]

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The finished product of my Ptolemaioi campaign. The last thing I did was conquer Pella from Epirus, leaving me with a severely depleted royal army.

I wish I could keep playing, but after I bought Lepki from Kart-Hadast the game no longer loaded my save games. :bigcry:

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Did you change your faction color? It looks like the Seleukids were the ones to conquer all that...

[MButcher]

Yeah, I changed it after I conquered the Seleukid lands. By that point it felt like I was playing a different faction, so I switched to that gray color. I'm not a big fan of it myself, so I'm still looking for a new one.

[Ophiokhos]

https://i515.photobucket.com/albums/t354/Origis/EpeoriteEmp1.png

My Eporite empire at Winter 200BC. Its been a fun campaign so far. Makedonia was the first to be wiped out, after taking Demetrias off of them their remaining two towns revolted (Korinth was taken by KH). So I was left to fight KH, it went on for a while, after taking Athens, Korinth and Sparte off them, their remaining two settlements rebelled. I found it amusing that both of those factions got wiped out by settlements revolting haha.

Now I'm just toying with the Romans, I'm not going to bother trying to destroy them, I'm just going to take Segestica and Patavium off of them and leave it to the Aedui to take Mediolanum, since they are my allies and don't show any signs of betraying me. I'm also having an on and off war with the Seleucids. I have an alliance with Pontos but it seems like they're going to betray me soon. They won't be too hard to deal with though I'm sure, they're pretty weak in the grand scheme of things at the moment.

[Rahl]

Nice empire, it guess the Sweboz will attack you after defeating the Romans. Are the Getai your allies? If you play on VH you will propably have a lot of enemies soon.


I found it amusing that both of those factions got wiped out by settlements revolting haha.
Did they really rebel? That's unlikly to happen I would say. Where they destroyed right after you took Demetrias/Sparte? They often run out of family members, especially the KH when only rhodes is left.

[Ophiokhos]

Sweboz and Getai are my allies as well, I'm preparing for them, I don't think they're going to betray me quite yet. As for Makedonia and KH, that could have been that case of them having no family members left now that you bring it up, I didn't think of that and it does actually make sense.

[J.R.M]

Nice empire Ophiokhos, prepare to face the 2 greatest "barbarian" factions (Getai and Sweboz). Hope u got enough missiles, you will need them... ooh yeesss yooouuu willll....
also carefull with the Ptolies.

[anubis88]

My SPQR campaing, in 49 BC
http://i45.tinypic.com/2mfmcyu.jpg

I've conquered Gaul in 52 BC (right on time:book::dizzy2:), and i will probably shift my foucus soon to conquering Egypt, in order to try to achieve 90 provinces required for the Agustan reform.

I'm trying to play as true to the real time-line as i can, though i had to capture Alexandria and raid a few cities of the Ptolemies, either giving them to the Parthians, or the Arche... The Seleucids are really scatered all over the place:laugh4:

I also admit that i use the cheat auto_win on the borders i'm tired to play ( against Carthage and Epeiros, both attack me with weak armies but 9 stars generals, and it would bore me to death to fight those battles all the time. I almost never use the cheat if it's not clear to me that i would win the battle easily... I'm just tired of levy troops and phalanxes).

I've just gotten a border with the Sarmatians ( Attilla anyone?), and i fear what will happen if they declare war on me:sweatdrop:

So i'll try to get Egypt soon, and hopefuly get the reforms, so i will be able to meddle in Germania and invade Britain in due time.

[Jebivjetar]

My mighty Carthage, 181 BC:

https://img697.imageshack.us/img697/1944/chartage.jpg

[J.R.M]

Good Carthaginian empire, my idea or you conquered Byzantion??
Edit: It seems not, but it would be great to conquer it and the rest of Greece,finish those Lusos and those Romies.

[Zim]

My current Ptolemy game at 225. I started it to test out whether H campaign difficulty would be too easy and I've been impressed. The AI factions still outproduce me, although it took longer for them to start cranking out the hordes of full stacks. Carthage even shared a border with me and remained allies for 4 decades (ended sometime in the 230s, they've been sending small but elite filled stacks since).

Right now it's very much like a VH game though, with me at war with all neighbors, even Pontus who I installed as a buffer between me and the Seleucids. :help: I'm overstretched and having difficulty reinforcing my borders, partly because of my insistence on having at least one elephant unit and maintaining a navy. :clown:

I'm not sure whether to hunker down for a while to make things harder or start getting my revenge against Pontus for backstabbing me and constantly sending full stacks of mercs to Sidon.

https://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9682/ptolies225.jpg (https://img13.imageshack.us/i/ptolies225.jpg/)

[Jebivjetar]

Good Carthaginian empire, my idea or you conquered Byzantion??
Edit: It seems not, but it would be great to conquer it and the rest of Greece,finish those Lusos and those Romies.

Thank you, J.R.M :)

Yeah, i'm planning to conquer Byzantion and Seleukeia, as well as Asia Minor (at least its eastern coastal line), but before that i must pacify my newly conquered settlements in Egypt and Levant, not to mention those rebelious towns around the Red sea. Lusos declared war on me and i'm fighting them @tm. Romaioi became my protectorate as i bought their freedom for ~50 000 minai, so i'll attack them as soon as i get a faction leader with a barcid trait.

Carthage is so mighty :knight:

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Yeah that's an epic empire you got there Jeb. :thumbsup:

[Albath]

Hey guys! Here is an Orontid Empire for your fancies.

https://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1889/orontidempire.jpg

Took me a while (a month, to be exact) to reach this point in the campaign, but I still have some ways to go. I think I will expand to Asia Minor and Greece, subjugate the heck out of them, and head back east.

On another note, the Koinon Hellenon has really done well for themselves. They repelled multiple Macedonian invasions and pushed them to Pergamon while keeping the Epeirotes at bay. Now they're mopping up the peninsula and I see several armies in Illyria.

The Romans spent a good amount of time conquering Italy itself, but now they're going into Gaul and Iberia to quell the barbari. The Carthaginians have several full stacks in Iberia too, so I'm eagerly awaiting a pseudo-Punic War.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Welcome to the forum, Albath!

That's a nice empire in a good first post! Won't you mop up the AS or go further down the Nile?

~Fluvius

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

My best Sweboz game so far:
https://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx330/TheAngloDane/EB%20screens/RomeTW-BI2010-05-1221-32-40-54.jpg

Yes, I pwnzed the central European Eleutheroi!

[Albath]

Welcome to the forum, Albath!

That's a nice empire in a good first post! Won't you mop up the AS or go further down the Nile?

~Fluvius

Thanks for the greetings!

I find little benefit in going further down the Nile, since the regionals there are limited for the Orontids. I might take Ptolemais-Theron for the trade benefits, but I'm already swimming in mnai.

I'm keeping the Seleukids alive for buffer purposes. They keep spamming mercenary stacks at Susa, but that's a lot better than the full Saka armies that I'm seeing in the steppes. o_O

Pontos is my most likely target for now. I might go into Carthaginian territory in a bizzare turn of alternate events, but I like curvy empires for my silhouettes.

@Hannibal Khan

That Sweboz empire is sexy; it reminds me of German expansion during World War II. Does your faction leader have authoritarian traits, by any chance?

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

@Albath: Heruwulfaz is more of a badass warlord than an authoritarian character. He has led my fullstack of FMs and mercs along with AOR units for several decades, forming the majority of my empire in the process.

[anubis88]

Here's the SPQR at 35 BC or so... http://i48.tinypic.com/2qvyx5g.jpg

[Ludens]

https://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1889/orontidempire.jpg

Welcome to the .Org, and to EB ~:wave: . For some reason, I found it appropriate to see Foot's avatar in the capital of the Hai, seeing how much work Foot did to keep the Armenians in EB1.

For the record, though: please be careful with Sweboz-Nazi's comparisons.

[johnhughthom]

Nice campaign Anubis, historically correct Romani expansion never gets old. I've never had a proper Parthian Empire to face though, I'm rather jealous. Any change of a save?

[anubis88]

Nice campaign Anubis, historically correct Romani expansion never gets old. I've never had a proper Parthian Empire to face though, I'm rather jealous. Any change of a save?

I did mingle a bit with Pahlava, in order for them to become strong:D

If you refer an uploading page, i would have no problem to upload my save-game... I am using BI.exe though so I hope it will work

Oh, and I've just conquered most of the Seleucid territories + Crete (since i was the one who gave it to them in the first place :P)

[vartan]

Welcome to the .Org, and to EB ~:wave: . For some reason, I found it appropriate to see Foot's avatar in the capital of the Hai, seeing how much work Foot did to keep the Armenians in EB1.
Beloved Hayasdan, not in EB1? Impossible. :no: Unimaginable. It's the perfect time period.

[Nyz]

Hey guys! Here is an Orontid Empire for your fancies.

Go go Albath! Go go Albath! Go go Albath!!!

Anyway, this is my empire:

https://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2302/hayasdan1ad1.jpg

Long Live the Arkahen Arkah! Long Live the Hayastani Empire!!!

[Fluvius Camillus]

@intifadanyz

Wow! Great, you yet deserve another :balloon:!

Your dedication (campaign and timeframe) brought you this far, it is awesome! What campaign do you consider playing next?

~Fluvius

[Nyz]

Thanks for the second balloon Mr. Fluvius!

Hmm, I am very fond of Eastern culture... maybe I'll try Pontos... but I've seen that you have paused your Pontos campaign...that's your SECOND one. What happen to the first? Not success? Is it very hard?

[Fluvius Camillus]

If you can handle Hai, you can handle Pontos. The first time was my first EB campaign, so not much experience back then. The second try I was a seasoned EB'er and paused because the campaign went a little too perfect, and I found a point where I decided to pause it. I wanted another campaign as distraction and return to it later.

Have you tried Arche Seleukeia yet? The start and restoration of Seleukid glory is great to play. I really liked it and also the unit roster is awesome.

~Fluvius

[Nyz]

Not yet. Well, playing with Pahlava, then with Hayasdan against the mighty Seleukeia made me developed some sort of bitter feeling toward her.... hahaha

BTW, this is the pic of the latest Arkah:

https://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5169/uberhayastani.jpg

[anubis88]

The Roman Empire at 26 BC. I modded the reforms, but heck... Like the Beatles said. Let it be:shame:

This is my Arabia Felix expedition. I will try to do as much havoc as i can with this army, without ever reinforcing it or retreating. Hopefully the Sabeans will actualy manage to defeat me before i destroy them.http://i45.tinypic.com/hvrkpc.jpg

Wars/Mission in progress

The Cantabrian wars (well kinda)
The Rhine frontier battles
The invasion of Thrace and Moesia
The preparation of the armies to sieze the Alps and all the Danube region

EDIT: sth's wrong with the picture... I'll see to it

[Fluvius Camillus]

Look's good! I wish you the best of luck!

BTW, do you still have the files from the naval strat map add on? The original download link is down.

Keep us posted!

~Fluvius

[Albath]

My Sauromatae empire.

https://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5444/sauromatae.jpg

This is the lovechild of my recent read of Jack Weatherford's "Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World" and my desire for a whimsical campaign with lots of booty taking! :sweatdrop:

With this campaign, I discovered that near full stacks of horse-archers annihilate everything they come across (except for other, equally trained horse archers). I waited out most walled settlements, and then cut them down as they sallied out of their walls.

I operated under the guise of a proto-Hunnic-Mongolian-nomadic-confederacy. My stacks were composed of equal units of Aorsi, Roxolanni, and Sauromatae riders (with occasional Dahae, Yancai, or Skutae). Whenever my Faction Leader died, I sent all my FMs to the capital to have a royal court and decide the next faction heir after 2 turns or so.

I exterminated almost every settlement that had the bad luck to cross my hordes. The occupation periods were quick, and if they rebelled, I'd just come back and chop them up again.:laugh4:

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

This is my first post here, obviously, so please be gentle.

The screen below comes from my current game, in which I am playing Baktria on H/M. It's not the first time I've played as this faction, but it is the first time I've been so successful. Usually the Seleucid Empire decides they want a piece of me within five years, but this time... well, I'm sure you'll be able to see what kept the Seleucids off my back.

https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBScreenshot.jpg
I included my faction leader's profile just for the heck of it. He's not great, but he's not too bad considering that he spent the better part of 20-some years managing Baktria before his father passed away. Right now, he's gathering together an army to put an end to the Saka Rauka threat once and for all. The 3/4 of a stack you see is... well, 3/4 of my typical army composition, lacking only a few units of cavalry and two units of Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Persian Archer-Spearmen.) I don't know why, but the concept of an Archer-Spearman appeals to me, so I always include a unit or two of Nizagan-i Eranshahr into my expeditionary forces.

...well, I do whenever I take the time to assemble a proper army, rather than just a semi-random assortment of mercenaries and such that I occasionally use for my own amusement.

Now, I'm a fairly defensive player, and this game was, for the most part, no change in that. I went for Kophen first, captured it, then hunkered down for a few years. Once I was far enough out of the red, I went for the town east of Kophen--Taksashila, I think--then hunkered down again to build up my cash reserves and infrastructure.

In all my other Baktria games, this is usually the point where the Seleucids come knocking. No such thing in this game, as the Pahlava, as I had hoped, kept them off my back. Actually, I think they held them off a little too well, judging by the current size of their empire. While I'm fairly certain I could take them, I'd prefer to finish off the Saka Rauka first. Multi-front wars are such a bother to micromanage.

Speaking of Saka Rauka, before they attacked me, they owned the three cities closest to Baktra, which they had won from the Seleucids. Not anymore, as one can see. Their military capability, at least at the start of the war, exceeded mine, but for some reason they had spread their forces really thin. Basically, lots of small groups wandering around, but only one really big army, which was routed in the Siege of Baktra right at the beginning of this conflict. Formidable though they may be on the open field, Horse Archers, at least in the AI's hands, aren't very threatening in sieges. Since then, I've taken four of their seven cities, although the walking distances in the steppes will make taking the last three rather bothersome. I fully expect my faction leader to keel over before I finish them off completely.

Pahlava, as one can plainly see, has done very well for itself, having taken a great deal of the Seleucid Empire's territory and some of the norther steppes. Interestingly, they've capture Alexandropolis, yet they didn't capture any of the adjacent territories. For the past few of turns, they've made attempts to capture Opiana, the city to the east of Alexandropolis, but they've been repelled, likely thanks to a sudden game of angry, angry elephants. We've been allies since day 1, but I expect--no, know--that the halcyion days of peace between our two great nations will come to an end one day. I suspect this is because the AI is a devious, calculating, possibly inebriated psychopath.

I was a bit surprised to see that Saba's managed to carve out a nice little niche out for itself--and at the expense of the Ptolemaioi, too! That's the first time I've seen them do that well in any of my games.

[Noble Wrath]

This kind of Pahlavan expansion is nice indeed. Just a minor observation: the island of Rhodos is in the hands of the Makedonians? How come? Did you gift it to them via FD or did they do a naval invasion? In the second case Demetrios Poliorketes can RIP at last...:yes:

[anubis88]

The growth of the Roman Empire... It's 19 BC right now...
What happened between the last post and this one;
-The Saba expedition... I've conquered 2 cities from them, they finally launched a counter-attack ( a full stack of gold-chevroned light Arabians and Apeleutheroi) and beat 75% of my army... They were winning in fact but decided to withdraw:dizzy2:. The next turn a settlement rebelled back to them, and they attacked me with an even bigger army... And crushed me. The general managed to survive though
- The Hispanic tribes have been crushed
- Thrace and Moesia have been conquered (thrace is a client as it should be)
- The lands of the Alps have been conquered
http://i46.tinypic.com/mls7i9.jpg
The army of the Prince Germanicus ( a bit early i know, but i made him faction heir to justify a bit him having the Praetorians; other than that i only keep them with the personal guard of Augustus - is there any way to enlist this trait manually?:shame:)

- The Seleucid are getting a reneissance of sorts... Babylon and Charax rebelled to them, then they conquered Seleucia from Parthia... There are really just small kingdoms now in the east, which makes me able to concentrate on the other parts of my empire


Future Plans
- I will soon attack the Pannonian Tribes (the Arverni)
- to finish my conquest of the Illyricum and the east of the Danube, i will probably have to start an all-out war with the Sarmatians... Perhaps i'll even loose the battle!:laugh4:

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

This kind of Pahlavan expansion is nice indeed. Just a minor observation: the island of Rhodos is in the hands of the Makedonians? How come? Did you gift it to them via FD or did they do a naval invasion? In the second case Demetrios Poliorketes can RIP at last...:yes:

Yeah, the Pahlavans spreading that far was quite a shock the first time I used toggle_fow. In most of my games, they either stalemate AS or get steamrolled. Naturally, I prefer the former, as that gives me time to get my economy running and a decent amount of coin in my coffers. It's just that this time it seems I'm going to have to fight Pahalava.

And it just occurred to me that I'm not all that familiar with their roster. *goes to the EB site to brush up on Pahlava's roster*

...

I see a good number of cavalry, with many being horse archers. That's just the sort of change-of-pace I needed after fighting Saka.

/sarcasm

Ah well, there's always spy infiltration and assassin sabotage to get good ol' fashioned revolutionary fever goin' in an enemy city, after which I can just waltz in and claim said city as my own.

In regards to Makedonia, surprisingly enough, they performed a naval invasion. I guess I can chalk that up to my using BI.exe instead of RTW.exe. I do have the files for force diplomacy, but I haven't installed 'em yet.

Incidentally, Makedonia was at one point reduced to just the city of Mytilene on the Island of Lesbos, but they've managed to stage a bit of a comeback by capturing both Pergamon and Rhodos. I'm feeling doubtful about their chances of survival, what with them being surrounded by enemies, but it would be delightful if they managed to carve out a nice little (or big!) Kingdom of Pergamon in Anatolia. In fact, I may very well march a diplomat over there and lend 'em some coin to help them achieve that. I previously had one traveling around in that general area (read: making the rounds in Western Europe,) but he caught a nasty case of the dead a while back.

He lives on in the strong alliances and trade agreements he forged over his distinguished multi-decade career.

[Albath]

@Daiyoukai

Lovely Baktrian empire! If you're going to end up fighting the Pahlavans, you'd better use your Hetairoi Kataphraktoi. I encountered several stacks with low-level cataphracts in my campaign, but they just look so darn cool. :P

@anubis

I'll sack Rome in my Sarmatian campaign, just for you! :)

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

@Daiyoukai

Lovely Baktrian empire!

Thank ya' kindly. It's a bit larger now, since I finished off Saka in 229 B.C. The last battle was... amusing, to say the least. On my first try, I outnumbered their forces three to one, so I just auto-resolved, figuring that there was no use fighting a battle that I was all but assurred to win.

...I lost.

Upon reloading, I realized that the Faction Leader possessed ten command stars, which is probably why the auto-resolve screwed me over. Didn't help that the general for that particular army was a rather green.

Anyway, I entered the battle and... well, that particular army consisted mostly of mercenary cavalry units--horse-archers in particular--I'd recruited on the way to their city, so most of the battle was just arrow volleys and cavalry charges. It was, of course, extremely easy. Kind of an anti-climactic end to the war, to be honest.

I disbanded most of those mercenaries and house-ruled myself to two or three horse archers per army so things don't get too easy.



If you're going to end up fighting the Pahlavans, you'd better use your Hetairoi Kataphraktoi. I encountered several stacks with low-level cataphracts in my campaign, but they just look so darn cool. :P


Hetairoi Kataphraktoi, eh? I do have one free slot in my army composition that I usually fill with... whatever I have available, but I suppose I could work a unit of HK in, though I prefer my cavalry units in pairs.

In fact... remember that army in my screenshot? I could definitely fit a unit or two of HK into that army, since they're coming back home for retraining. They've been out in the field for more than a decade, so their numbers are a wee bit thin. On the other hand, they've fought a good number of battles, so that army is my most experienced by far.

...and once I'm done refilling their ranks, I'm immediately sending 'em south to capture those two Seleucid settlements and the remaining Indian provinces. And maybe Alexandropolis, which has thus far resisted my attempts to incite revolt. The only thing I've achieved in that city is improving my spies and assassins. Especially the spies, given that I had something like a 170% chance to open the gates in the event of a siege.

I'll probably post a screenshot of my southern conquests once I get around to them.

[Albath]

@Daiyoukai

My Sarmatian campaign was entirely horse-archer oriented and it was unsurprisingly easy to shoot down and route most footmen stacks. I had the most trouble with Saka and Pahlava, since Saka had just gotten their reforms with Hellenic hoplites (not to mention that their Yuezhi horse archers could outshoot all of my noble horse archers).:skull:

The Hetairoi Kataphraktoi are the Late Baktrian Bodyguard, but feel free to implement however many kats you see fit. I usually charge once, and then ALT+Click to bring out their maces/swords (which are AP, by the way). Arachosian Skirmisher Cavalry do wonders, too. They have AP axes as secondaries, and they can do well in a hand to hand with most medium cavalry.

I await your updates fervently. :2thumbsup:

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

@Daiyoukai

My Sarmatian campaign was entirely horse-archer oriented and it was unsurprisingly easy to shoot down and route most footmen stacks. I had the most trouble with Saka and Pahlava, since Saka had just gotten their reforms with Hellenic hoplites (not to mention that their Yuezhi horse archers could outshoot all of my noble horse archers).:skull:


I may play a Saka Rauka campaign after I hit the victory conditions for Baktria. Or perhaps I'll try my hand at the Sweboz again. After all, I have a bone to pick with that Rhesus, the Eleutheroi super-general that spawns in a province near their lands.



The Hetairoi Kataphraktoi are the Late Baktrian Bodyguard, but feel free to implement however many kats you see fit. I usually charge once, and then ALT+Click to bring out their maces/swords (which are AP, by the way). Arachosian Skirmisher Cavalry do wonders, too. They have AP axes as secondaries, and they can do well in a hand to hand with most medium cavalry.


Ah, they're the new bodyguard unit one receives from the Baktrian reforms, which, unfortunately, have not triggered for me yet. The trigger is the same as the vanilla reforms for the Romani, correct? I really hope it doesn't require the Romani to actually own the city, because... well, take a look below.



I await your updates fervently. :2thumbsup:
https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBScreenshot2.jpg

In a scant eleven years, Karthadastim has managed to push the Romani back and claim around half of Italian peninsula. And to the south, on Sicily, they've boated in a few stacks, although none of them are full. Never mind the Aedui to the North-Northwest, Epeiros to the east, and Lusotannan sweeping in from the west. Sad thing is, I'm their ally, yet I can't do a thing to help them without rousing the anger of everyone between Baktra and Roma. They're allied with the Ptolemaioi as well, but they're too busy with Saba and the Seleucids to help.

Anyway, as you can see, Pahlava's taken some land from the Sauromatae, albeit the province in question has been bouncing back and forth between them for five years or thereabouts. Amusing enough, I initially believed their pre-war military buildup was intended for me, since they had a fairly competent general and army camped outside one of my cities for a time, but eventually they headed west. I was simultaneously relieved and disappointed. Other than the Pahlava-Sauromatae war, the east has been relatively peaceful since 229 BC.

Interestingly, Pontos has made some nice gains against the Seleucids recently, and I'm hoping they continue to do so, as, well, it's something I've not seen very often in my games.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Go Carthage!!!!

[anubis88]

@ Albath

The Sarmatians are monsters in both our campaings... I have at least 5 legions (full stacks) prepared for this war... It will be bloody

[anubis88]

9 BC - Notice anything unusual in this screen?:dizzy2: I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw the message:

War declared: Saba - Baktria
http://i46.tinypic.com/2d8g74l.jpg
Development...
Parthia destroyed the Seleucid rebellions, and finally started a war with me... Unfortunatly they attack me with a bunch of phalanxes and other infanry... Only a few Cata's, and no Horse archers at all.

I'm exploring Britain a bit, for a future invasion... But i must check my money a bit... a few turns ago i didn't even have the money for a proconsul's Palace!!!:furious3:

Not long ago i had 500.000 mnai:juggle2:

Oh, and BTW, i finally got an Avgvstvs:santa3:

[Mulceber]

Congrats on getting an Augustus, Anubis! Finally there will be peace and prosperity in the Res Publica! -M

[Zim]

For much of the third century the Ptolemaic Empire was forced to turn south to increase its powerbase. Wars with the Seleucids ended in stalemates at best. An attempt to draw the line at Jerusalem failed, and the Seleucids were only checked by the unprecedented levying of native Egyptian soldiers. Raids meant to weaken Seleucid power in order to enable the upstart Pontus to supplant them in Anatolia also came to a bad end, merely replacing a Greek enemy standing at the gates of Alexandria with a Persian one. A power also rose in Arabia, which ontinually threatened to spill over the borders of their peninsula into Egypt. Only in the south was success to be found, and the mines there would pay the armies that saved Alexandria from conquest repeatedly over the course of the century.

Things would come to a close towards the end of the third century, however. Carthage, long time allies of the Ptolemaios family, attacked Kyrene, crushing the army sent to stop them. At first there was panic in Alexandria, as it wasfeared that the Pontus and Saba would take advantage, but the former became embroiled in a conflict with the rising power of Macedonia, and the latter not yet powerful enough to be a threat without Pontic aid.

https://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1602/ptolemy209.jpg (https://img823.imageshack.us/i/ptolemy209.jpg/)

The heir Iason Ptolemaios was designated to take back Kyrene and punish Carthage for their treachery. Although the war would bankrupt the nation as multiple great armies had to raised, and at times fortune seemed to go against the Ptolemies as much as Carthage, in the end Iason was successful and took Carthage itself. When his father passed and he became ruler he decided that the area around Carthage and directly to the west would become permanent possessions of his family.

https://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2065/ptolemy204.jpg (https://img819.imageshack.us/i/ptolemy204.jpg/)

For some time their was peace as the remnants of Carthage were to weak to strike back, but when Rome attacked the Ptolemaic allies to the north, the Sweboz, Iason ordered his cousin and designated heir Menestratos Ptolemaios, to raise an army against them. Only their great mercenary armies were a challenge. Quite to his surprise Menestrator found himself in command of nearly all of Italy within a relatively short period of time. It would seem the people of Rome had forgotten how to fight, as they fielded mainly armies of light spearmen, with some few heavy infantry.

https://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1442/ptolemy188.jpg (https://img822.imageshack.us/i/ptolemy188.jpg/)

Many scholars of the time have termed this te beginning of a Golden Age of Ptolemaic wealth and military might, but not all is at it seems. Armies take up the vast majority of the Imperial budget, with little available for the upgrading of buildings or garrisons. Macedonia has risen to great power, and wrested Kyrene itself from the Ptolemies, a development ignored by Iason in his obsession with the west. The most recent news has it falling yet again, this time to Pontus. Iason Ptolemaios is under siege, while one of his settlements east of Carthage has fallen. Alexandria still lies open to attack, with no buffer for protection if Macedonia conquers its way to her gates, or if Pontus has a resurgence. Meanwhile to the east the Seleucids have eliminated most of their rivals, and are still regarded as the most powerful kingdom in the known world. This at least hasn't been ignored, and Iason has sent a force under the Egyptian Nikeratos Mendaios east to aid the Baktrians.

https://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1981/ipponeundersiege.jpg (https://img808.imageshack.us/i/ipponeundersiege.jpg/)


https://img808.imageshack.us/img808/4706/ptolemyinvasion.jpg (https://img808.imageshack.us/i/ptolemyinvasion.jpg/)

OOC:
A fun game, although the prevalence of "faction destroyed" in recent turns has me worried. The last map I posted must be a turn or two off, because both Pahlava and the Aedui were recently taken out. Now that I'm big enough I'll see if I can help the remaining weaker factions, if I can push back Carthage at least. :sweatdrop:

[Ortilochus]

https://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y333/Ortilochus/empire.jpg

This is my second go at a Roman campaign, with the year 173 BCE. After bringing the whole of Italy under Roman law, armies were sent via the sea to farther Iberia. After many bloody battles and revolts nearer and farther Iberia was eventually conquered and stabilised. The Lusitanii are still strong however as they control much of Gaul. Now there are three full veteran legions leaving Iberia and two green legions from Italy to finish Lusitanii tribe and to take the cities of Gaul.

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

Well, I finished off that Baktria campaign a while back. The end result is as follows...

https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBScreenshot3.jpg

Pahlava decided they'd had enough of my being a good neighbor about four years after my last screenshot and attacked one of my cities. While I had been expecting this, my military build-up was still in its early stages, so I was caught a bit unawares. Thankfully, I managed to repel their invasion(s), which were... well, more numerous in quantity--of stacks, not units in the stacks.

After a few years of stalemate, I launched a double pronged offensive. The northern half was pretty much a sealed deal, as that section of their empire was somewhat lightly-defended, and my strike force was an army of veterans from the Saka war led by my best general. They never had a chance.

The southern offensive was somewhat more challenging, as my southern army, having been hastily assembled, was filled to the brink with greenhorn soldiers and led by an upstart general of barely 16 or 17 years of age. This unproven general, barely a man by his country's standards, took an inexperienced force and against all odds managed to not only survive, but excel. Province after province fell, and with each new victory, his army, though it lost numbers, became ever more battle-hardened. And the general himself, originally nothing but a young lad with dreams of greatness, became one of the most powerful and influential men in Indo-Baktria. So influential, in fact, that after his lord--who had been leading the northern offensive--died, the new Basileus named him as the man who would take his place, should the unthinkable happen.

A normal man might have been content with this and settled down to a life of luxury, but not this man. No, he pressed on, for the war with Pahlava was far from finished. Year after year, battle after battle, he fought to ensure his country's safety, and, after decades of struggle, Pahlava fell, stricken down from greatness almost entirely by the efforts of a man who at the beginning was merely a nobody with dreams of being his nation's greatest son.

In a cruel twist, the gods saw fit to award this man's crowning achievement with an actual crown, for on the very night that Pahlava fell, so did the Basileus. Though he had risen from obscurity to become not only his nation's greatest son, but also its leader, he would have preferred the gods to preserve his lord's life for just a bit longer, if only long enough to hear word of Indo-Baktria's--and his--triumph.

Regardless of the gods' whims, the man, having brought low an enemy of Indo-Baktria more dangerous than even the Sakaens and gained more territory than even the great Diodotos Baktrios, finally settled down to enjoy the fruits of his labors. Unfortunately for him--and Baktria--there would only be a scant few years of peace between the fall of Pahlava and the next era of strife.

In the mid 190's, the once-great nation of Arche Seleukia, of which Baktria had once been a mere Satrapy of, launched an unexpected offensive on the south-western regions of of Indo-Baktria, overwhelming the garrisons of several cities before a counter-attack could be mounted. Leading a hastily-assembled force of greenhorns not unlike the very first army he commanded, the Basileus not only recovered the cities the Seleucids conquered, but penetrated into Arche Seleukia itself, winning victory after victory and taking a number of Seleucid settlements.

After this point, there are varying, contradictory accounts of Indo-Baktria's ultimate triumph over Arche Seleukia, Arche Seleukia turning the tide and pushing back Indo-Baktria, and even a few odd accounts of armies sweeping out of the Caucasus Mountains and attacking both combatants while they're distracted. Unfortunately, the records after this point are scant to non-existent, so it's unlikely that modern man will ever know the exact details of the latter half of this conflict, assuming it continued. (In other words, this is where I ended the game.)

Anyway, after this game, my next few (incomplete) games were as Hayasdan, but I kept restarting whenever I conquered the entirety of the Caucasus Mountains, so I put Hayasdan on hold for now.

In my current game, I'm playing as As'Sab'yn wal'Ja, a faction I was originally reluctant to play as, since their roster didn't strike my fancy. However, I'm finding this faction to be quite enjoyable, since it's quite satisfying--and amusing--to play the underdog.

https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBScreenshot4.jpg

I've been making liberal usage of Pantodapoi Phalangitai in my armies, although I'm a bit leery of their low(ish) morale. However, they're fairly cheap, so I use them to hold the line, while the Lo'hamim Azzilim (Sabaean Noble Infantry) guard the flanks, and, if need be, perform a bit of flanking themselves. It's worked fairly well for my Arabian defense force, all things considered. There haven't been that many battles near my homeland provinces, since the Ptolemaioi don't seem keen on trekking through hundreds of miles of desert to get to me, what with Seleukia trying to kill them.

My African army, on the other hand, relied on Red Sea Hoplites to keep the enemy occupied, while my Ethiopian Swordsmen and Arabian Light Infantry flank the enemy. It's not optimal, perhaps, but my African army has been successful enough to become significantly more experienced than my army back home. I may add a unit of elephants to my African army, just for kicks. Kicks that send soldiers flying 30-40 feet into the air.

All in all, Sab'yn's been fun. Troops aren't uber, but they've got got... character, I guess, and there's the whole 'underdog' aspect I mentioned before. The only complaint I really have it that certain cities (Petra and Palmyra) keep rebelling to me, the latter of which has ruined at least three alliances with Seleukia. I don't mind Petra rebelling, although it a bit difficult to hold onto, given that it's currently a bit isolated from my troop-producing centers.

Ah well, that won't be a problem once I push take out the Ptolemaioi

[lionhard]

I dont think youve got much choice when it comes to their infantry. Mite have been a good choice to fill empty slots in any stacks with cheap slingers or archers to give more of an edge

[plutoboyz]

My mighty Pahlavan!
https://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4391/58873143.jpg

[Fluvius Camillus]

Black Death? Lol!

You army there is a perfect anti AI army, easy blitzing. Nice Achaemenid Empire.

BTW, looks like Cute Wolf(Gudarz) is going down.~D

~Fluvius

[plutoboyz]

Black Death? Lol!

You army there is a perfect anti AI army, easy blitzing. Nice Achaemenid Empire.

BTW, looks like Cute Wolf(Gudarz) is going down.~D

~Fluvius

Thanks, but I'm stuck in reform...

[Jebivjetar]

My mighty Pahlavan!
https://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4391/58873143.jpg

Oh, yes, this is one really nice empire.

[plutoboyz]

Oh, yes, this is one really nice empire.

thanks.

btw you're really bad boy Jebi.:laugh4:
https://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5158/58194436.jpg

[Nyz]

Black Death? Lol!

You army there is a perfect anti AI army, easy blitzing. Nice Achaemenid Empire.

BTW, looks like Cute Wolf(Gudarz) is going down.~D



~Fluvius

Wow... Cute Wolf(Gudarz) has 8 stars.....

[plutoboyz]

Wow... Cute Wolf(Gudarz) has 8 stars.....

but killed by a Dehbed. pretty inglorious way to dead.

[Albath]

@Daiyoukai

Once again, your Baktrian empire has amazed me! I can't gather the willpower to finish my Diadochoi campaigns, but I am glad to see that someone has excelled with Baktria.

I can understand the emperor's block with Hayasdan. Once I got the "Arkah arkahen" title, it felt like game over for me. The government reforms and the amount of potential for roleplaying with the governmental reforms reeled me back into it.

On another note, your Saba looks very enticing. The pantadopai phalanxes are really a good choice for Saba, since they have AP axes as secondary weapons. You should also look into the Sabaean levy spearmen, since they have great morale, defense, and attack for being simple levies.

@plutoboyz

Go Pahlava! Drive the Hellens into the sea! :P

[Ibrahim]

finally, after much death, destruction, and destrucity:clown:.....

I haz won a campaign!! on EB!! (well, its my second: the first one for some odd reason, had no victory screen). yes, I'm Arche Seleukeia.

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii28/Ibrahim_059/alex2010-06-1418-45-44-20.jpg

my empire:
https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii28/Ibrahim_059/alex2010-06-1418-55-22-01.png

93 provinces, 1,000,000 men military score, and churning 90,000 mnai a season. not a bad deal :beam:

I was at war with Carthage, the Getai, the Souromatae, the Saka Rauka, and Makedonia, and the biggest gnat of them all, Saba'. I'm allied, with all the people on this planet, with the Romani, who have been pretty honorable when it comes to treaties, and have been my faithful allies for the better part of 50 game years.

I did try to ally with Saba', even handing them a couple of unneeded provinces, but the backstabbers attacked bostra.

most of my "battles" were actually sieges of a single Seleukid city, Marakanda. it has a wild west feeling nowadays.

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

@Daiyoukai

Once again, your Baktrian empire has amazed me! I can't gather the willpower to finish my Diadochoi campaigns, but I am glad to see that someone has excelled with Baktria.


I'd have to say that Baktria is my second favorite Hellenistic faction, surpassed only by Epeiros. The only complaint I can voice is that their starting position isn't optimal for me, being almost all the way east. Merely having a central starting location--I'd consider any of the factions between Rome in the west and Pahlava in the east to have a 'central' starting position--is a big plus in my book, which is precisely why Epeiros just barely edges out Baktria for the #1 spot.

Is there any particular reason you can't finish a Diadochi campaign? Say, for example, not enjoying phalanx-based warfare? Fighting against and with Phalanx-heavy armies does get sort of repetitive after a while, I'll admit.



I can understand the emperor's block with Hayasdan. Once I got the "Arkah arkahen" title, it felt like game over for me. The government reforms and the amount of potential for roleplaying with the governmental reforms reeled me back into it.


The reforms are precisely why I originally tried Hayasdan. The mere idea of creating a sort of Hai-Achaemenid Empire is appealing to me. Plus, I like Hayasdan's unit roster, which is probably my favorite in the game at the moment. Though, I must say that Caucasian Spear rout kind of often, even with a competent general actively trying to keep their morale up nearby. I usually switch to Armenian Spearman as soon as possible, and finally Armenian Medium Infantry when I get 'em. Or Georgian Medium Infantry. Whichever's fine.

However, the one thing that did bother me when playing as Hayasdan was the... rather trumpet-heavy music that plays during the pre-battle phase. It just wasn't my cup o' tea, so I eventually fiddled around with the music file and changed it to something that better fit my fancy. I also added a few battle tracks for every faction type. Admittedly, they're not period (..or culture) appropriate by any stretch of the imagination, but those tracks do get my blood pumping whenever they start playing.



On another note, your Saba looks very enticing. The pantadopai phalanxes are really a good choice for Saba, since they have AP axes as secondary weapons. You should also look into the Sabaean levy spearmen, since they have great morale, defense, and attack for being simple levies.


The Sabaen units really surprised me, actually. They don't look like much on paper, but many have proved themselves tenacious beyond what one would expect form their morale stat. Of course, it probably helps that my Sabaen family members tend to get +morale traits and ancillaries. Never mind the command stars from numerous heroic victories and the high influence my family members tend to gain.

Anyway, I do have another campaign I'm working on right now.
https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBScreenshot5.jpg
I'm the Arverni in this game, and yes, I modded their faction colours recently.

Honestly, it's been a really easy game, but I guess that's what I get for blitzing the Aedui right off the bat, as one can see from the two famous battle sites near Bibracte, both of which took place in the 270s. By the mid 250s, I had already conquered almost the entirety of my current empire's provinces, except for Aventicos and... er... the southernmost Aedui starting province. Rome has invaded a few times, but were repelled easily.

Oh, and that general south of Bibracte? 'Tis a Roman family member that realized, with a few financial incentives, that green was the way to go.

Actually, I've been swimming in money, so I've been forced to find ways to dispose of it, mostly by gifting large (100k+) amounts of Mnai to whatever factions my diplomat happens to be in or near at the time. Except the Ptolemaioi, who obviously don't need any help, what with them currently eating up... everyone they share borders with. The only one(s) that have held their ground for more than a few years are Pontos, Makedonia/Pergamon, and Carthage.

I do believe that this is the first game in which the Yellow Death has arisen. I really, really hope someone manages to stop the Ptolemaioi, but I doubt that'll happen.

[Jebivjetar]

208BC: my mighty Pahlava on its way to eternity! :

https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2210/pahlav208.jpg

[vartan]

What are your armies composed of Jebivjetar?

[Jebivjetar]

What are your armies composed of Jebivjetar?

I thought you'll never ask! :D

Well, in the early stage of my campaign my armies were composed of horse-archers (which you've got from the beginning), one or two FMs and those crappy pandotapoi.
Now i use almost everything alive, but my ideal army for fighting AS and Ptolie fullstacks are something like this: 6 units of pandotapoi phalangite, 1FM with 'chirurgeon'/'armourer'/'herbalist' trait, 6 hoplitai haploi, 2 AP infantry units (babylonian spearmen, hyrkanian hillmen, eastern axemen or something simmilar), 2 units of archers/slingers, 1 unit of parthian HA, 1 unit of heavy HA or cataphracts (parthian or grivpanvar, allthough i don't prefer the latter, i have only 1 unit recruited for now), 1 unit of eastern medium cavalry, 1-2 units of hellenic heavy skirmishers and eventually some mercenary unit (usually phalanx unit (if my own phalanxes have too little men) or classical hoplites).
This kind of army is ideal for gaining heroic victories against the Hellenes, even if i'm attacked with a fullstack of phalanxes :knight:

[plutoboyz]

Just started Greco-Persian war.
https://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7218/20787051.jpg

well, my army too large. the upkeep cost killing me, the FM mostly corrupter, almost all my client ruler hated by its people, unrest everywhere and so on...

[Cute Wolf]

what? jebi again? attacking Makedonia with naked dudes....... :clown:

[plutoboyz]

what? jebi again?...

I have two Jebi.:clown:. sadly, another one killed.

...attacking Makedonia with naked dudes....... :clown:
not really. it was under KH when I attacked it.

oh yeah, those naked dudes...

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

When will you kill the ptolies?

[Fluvius Camillus]

When will you kill the ptolies?

Or take the cities from Kotais to Sinope or capture Kypros.

~Fluvius

[Paltmull]

My macedonian empire so far (playing on H/M):

https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7873/ebmacempire.jpg

I usually don't play campaigns for this long, but this is really a fun one. And I've noticed what most empires throughout history have noticed: Creating an empire is not near as difficult as keeping it. I'm in a three-front war right now; against the Seleucids, the Ptolemaioi and Saba. I'm not too eagerly awating the day when the Romans will attack through Illyria and Qarthadast through northern Africa. Hopefully they're busy enough fighting elswere (like each other, for example). Now to wipe out those Ptolies! :evilgrin:

[plutoboyz]

When will you kill the ptolies?

I'm still preparing the army. I'm still busy with saka and KH.

Or take the cities from Kotais to Sinope or capture Kypros.

~Fluvius
I don't know maybe later. I don't have any interest there. besides, that pontos spamming chariot. I hate chariot!

[Moosemanmoo]

My macedonian empire so far (playing on H/M):

https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7873/ebmacempire.jpg

I usually don't play campaigns for this long, but this is really a fun one. And I've noticed what most empires throughout history have noticed: Creating an empire is not near as difficult as keeping it. I'm in a three-front war right now; against the Seleucids, the Ptolemaioi and Saba. I'm not too eagerly awating the day when the Romans will attack through Illyria and Qarthadast through northern Africa. Hopefully they're busy enough fighting elswere (like each other, for example). Now to wipe out those Ptolies! :evilgrin:

Serdike's mines tempting you at all? Nice empire btw

[Paltmull]

Serdike's mines tempting you at all? Nice empire btw

Taking Serdike would mean war with the Getai; something that I definitely can't afford right now. And those foul Romans just attacked me, which means I'm at war at pretty much all fronts, except north and southwest :sweatdrop:

Thanks!

[SwissBarbar]

Baktria
(170 BC)

https://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2817/unbenannttbo.png

Interesting information

The Romans used to possess all of Italy and Pannonia and all around Helvetis up to Viennos and Vesontio
Carthage, later, managed to conquer Roma itself and after that the rest of southern Italy. They weakened, when they got kicked out of Spain by
the Lusonannan, who now form a mighty empire - powerful enough to callenge even the stronges of europes nations, maybe even
the Makedonians, who were among the greatest nations from the beginning and used to be the strongest Faction for almost 50 years, before
the Ptolemaioi became even more powerful after they gained the upper hand in the cruel war against Carthage.
The Arche Seleukeia still is a strong nation and - meanwhile - can field the most fearsome and heavily armoured units of the world, and this, though they have suffered greatly from constant war against Baktria, Pahlava and the Ptolemaioi for over 100 years now. Their most faithful allies are the
Sab'yn who startet war with Baktria, by marching through friendly Seleukid lands to Persis and besieging the since shortly Baktrian city of Persepolis. Therefore Baktria decided to invade Arabia and bring the war to the land of the enemy.

[Skullheadhq]

But why the capital? There is Saba territory much closer to your empire.

[vartan]

But why the capital? There is Saba territory much closer to your empire.
Richer.

EDIT: I forgot that we're supposed to use complete sentences. The capital's probably richer.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Richer.

EDIT: I forgot that we're supposed to use complete sentences. The capital's probably richer.

That or taking out his power center in one good strike. He can take Carna and then work his way back to Homna or Gerrha.

~Fluvius

[vartan]

That or taking out his power center in one good strike. He can take Carna and then work his way back to Homna or Gerrha.

~Fluvius
Yes! Recreate Sodom and Gomorrah. Destruction, decimation! It'll be raining flames on Sab'yn lands!

[Ibrahim]

Yes! Recreate Sodom and Gomorrah. Destruction, decimation! It'll be raining flames on Sab'yn lands!

he should actually rain destrucity on the enemy, not destruction :clown:

[SwissBarbar]

But why the capital? There is Saba territory much closer to your empire.

Strategical cleverness of me ;-) It broke the backbone of their economy. Having captured their capital and killed their king, they soon will have to surrender after I have chased down the rest of the kings sons and they will be my protectorate. If not, they will of course be exterminated. (Matter of Roleplay)

Besides that, the Seleukids, their allies, had a huge army stationed in their northeastern territories. I would have been forced to fight them before capturing a Sab'yn city, which I could not afford back then.


Yes! Recreate Sodom and Gomorrah. Destruction, decimation! It'll be raining flames on Sab'yn lands!

This of course is a good version too :D

[Jebivjetar]

Jebi's mighty Pahlava at 183BC

Brutal war against Ptolies is finally over as i gave some settlements to AS in order to have a buffer zone between me and 'yellow fellows'. AS is attacking me rarely now because they're weak as an old dog: and they deserve it.
Saba conquered Charax from me few years ago, i retook the settlement with no mercy for Saba soldiers: they all finally realized the terror of Parthian arrows!
My former ally, Hayasdan attacked me too. They were so damn annoying that i send my faction leader and my best cataphract escadrons and kicked them out of their homelands. I hope they will enjoy the steppes: cause nobody messes with my Pahlavans :D
Pontos is still my ally and i have no intentions to attack them . I have some mercy for Makedonians so i let them have that little Nikaia: i'll send some tanks latter to wipe them out, and i guess Nike won't be on their side :D
. I also plan to conquer the whole Greece.
Baktria will suffer, really soon. I've got catas, i'll conquer the world with my mighty Pahlavs!


https://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9361/pahlava.jpg

:knight:

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Awesome empire Jebi. :2thumbsup:

[Jebivjetar]

Thanks Arthy! :D

[MisterFred]

I'm shocked by KH's Bosphoran empire. Did you have a hand in that or did a Crimean city revolt the Sauromatae decided to lay down?

[Cute Wolf]

horse archers are pretty weak in autoresolve, it was logical to see Bosphoran forces comprised of more hoplitai won against low class HA army if they are both led by AI

[Jebivjetar]

I'm shocked by KH's Bosphoran empire. Did you have a hand in that or did a Crimean city revolt the Sauromatae decided to lay down?

Chersonesos revolted to KH, the rest of the settlements in the area KH conquered by itself. One more interesting thing: my ally, Pontos, in very interested in Chersonesos lately. I have one picture of Pontic family member who crossed all the way through and besieged the city. THey even send a halfstack and i guess they will took it soon:

https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8877/bosphor.jpg

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

The Arche Makedonike at the beginning of the Civil War, ca 143 BC:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/Brennus.jpg

The Purple faction is Makedonia renamed ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΙ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΔΟΥ (Akolouthoi Basileos Olympiadou, Loyalist followers of the Basileus Olympiades).
The current Makedonian king and his father Neikon Nikator and grandfather Isodorianos Soter, (both of whom were kings as well) are not descendants of Antigonos Gonatas, but of Alexandros Argeades, the conqueror of Illyria. When the last king of the Antigonid line (Selephkos) was killed by an assassin sent out by his brother deceitful Perdikkas, Isodorianos saw it as his duty to make sure Perdikkas was not crowned king of Makedonia. He managed to defeat Perdikkas and convince (read force) his supporters to back down.
Due to the fact that his dynasty have come through power through an rebellion and are not descendants of Antigonos, the "Pro-Antigonid party" in Makedonia view this new dynasty as non legitimate.



The Red faction is Baktria renamed Εθγενεις Μακεδονιες (Eugeneis Makedones, Makedonian Nobles) which is the primary rebel faction. When the current king's grandfather came to power he managed to avoid civil war by killing the leader of his opponents and forced the rest to swear allegiance to him. He did this in order to avoid a civil war because he feared that the enemies of Makedonia (Arche Seleukeia, Kart-Hadast, Pahlava) would use this to their advantage and destroy Makedonia when they were busy fighting each other. This merely postponed the the civil war however and when Olympiades father died and Olympiades was crowned king, they were ready, ready to plunge Makedonia into a civil war, all because of their selfish desires of power. Their leader is the grandson of Perdikkas.

The Red-brownish faction in North Africa, Iberia and Italia is Γενος Κλεριος ( Genos Klerios, The Klerios Family), they are a petty noble family in North Africa who have gained power through exploiting the enormous wealth that the provinces that they govern yield (primarily through vast farming projects and taxation of sea trade). When Civil War broke out between the Akolouthoi Basileos Olympiadou and the Eugeneis Makedones, the Genos Klerios used this wealth to bribe several members of the Royal family in Italia and Iberia to join them and have now risen to some prominence.

Sorry I'm too lazy to write anything more in-deapth, explaining or informative than this crap.


edit: some pictures from the battle of Ankyra which I ultimately won with 60% losses:

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/Galatians3.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/Galatians2.jpg

https://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/KingoftheBritons/Galatians1.jpg

[Jebivjetar]

I'm a little bit confused with the colors on the campaign map, but anyway: your empire is mighty as hell!

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Well, not really it was mighty but now it's torn apart in Civil War.

[Jebivjetar]

Well, not really it was mighty but now it's torn apart in Civil War.

Whoever conquers the Romaioi, it's mighty enough for me! :knight:

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Well the Genos Klerios' (red-brownish faction) italian armies are made up mostly by Hastati and Rorarii, so it will be like conquering Roma again. :beam:

[Fulminatrix]

im new this is my empire, im playin the romani

206 b.c. i hit marian reforms and 203 b.c. i got my first cohors reforma unit.
https://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1170/hht.jpg

180 bc gauls, germans, and the ptolomies are wiped out and the casse are on a last stand.
https://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1593/31721123.jpg

172 b.c. my allied buffer state the AS turned hostile i respnded with invasion and captured persopolis, same time 3 legions are saling their way to conquer the sabaens of arabia.
https://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7238/86081031.jpg

[Fluvius Camillus]

Welcome to the forums Fulminatrix!

That's a good looking empire you have there! Are the Getai and Sauromatae still neutral or allied towards you?

~Fluvius

[Fulminatrix]

Welcome to the forums Fulminatrix!

That's a good looking empire you have there! Are the Getai and Sauromatae still neutral or allied towards you?

~Fluvius

the getai were my allies but they turned nuetral once i was at war the AS since they are allies 3 of us formed a triumvirate before. The sauromatae has been always been neutral they at war with the getai. And the getai are dangerously getting stronger i might take the first strike at them soon.

[Fulminatrix]

163 b.c. i got the romani victory conditions, the expansion stops for now until i get to the augustan reforms. It's a long way to 125 b.c. -_-

https://img710.imageshack.us/img710/323/romav.jpg

anyway i think the augustan reforms should be moved to 135-133 b.c. because that is the time when tiberius gracchus proposed the land reforms.

forgot to add marcus germanicus died just 1 turn before the victory. :( he fought more than a 100 battles and haven't lost. He died peacfully somewhere in western russia.

He was vanquiser of the galli, britons, dacians and conqueror of germania. he was 69 years old.

[SwissBarbar]

The Augustan Reforms don't just appear in 125 BC, do they? There are several requirements to achieve.

[Fulminatrix]

i already got 2 young people with high ambitions a 22 year old and a 25 year old Im sure one of them will make to 125 b.c. to make the refroms.

[Daiyoukai Ramza]

Yep, it's me again, and I'm back with a new, albeit currently small, empire. I've been playing musical factions the past... well, pretty much since my last post, and the games I have stuck with longer than a few dozen turns turned sour very quickly, almost invariably thanks to Arche Seleukia's uncanny ability to sense when my capital is ripe for the taking. Anyway, without further a-do...

https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBScreenshot7.jpg

As one can see, I'm playing as Koinon Hellenon, and compared to my previous attempts at this faction, it has been... rather eventful, to say the least.

Near the beginning, I had to pull of some three or four heroic victories to prevent Athens from falling to Makedonia, since Pyrrhus meandered off to have a tea party on the Ilyrian Coast or something. Unfortunately, I only have a screenshot of the very first one...

https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Daiyoukai_Ramza/EBHeroicVictory1.jpg

Admittedly, the Heroic Victory above was a bit of a fluke, as the arrow towers inflicted a good portion of the casualties on the main army, and all of the casualties on their reinforcements. The later Heroic Victories were open field ones, although the numbers were close enough that the battles didn't spawn a famous battle site.

Later, I allied with Epeiros, as, well, the enemy of my enemy is friend, yeah? After I allied with them, things were peaceful while Epeiros and Makedonia more or less stalemated each other. Then, after about five or so years, Pyrrhus decided to return from his tea party and lay siege to Thermon, which I regret to say put an end to anything resembling peaceful relations between us until fairly recently.

Having built up a considerable treasury, I drafted an army and got to work bringing the rest of Greece under my sway, starting with Demetrias. The battle for Demetrias was... anti-climactic. In fact, that city had an extremely small garrison, so I just auto-resolved. Next came Thermon, which previously possessed a full (or near full) garrison that had been depleted to next to nothing by repeated attacks from Pyrrhus. Again, I auto-resolved it.

Next, I went for the capital of Epeiros, Ambrakia, but on my way, I was intercepted by two armies; one with two and a half thousand troops, and one with three and a half thousand. Thankfully, I held the terrain advantage and pulled off two heroic victories with acceptable losses, although my army was at about 2/3 its initial strength by the time I reached Ambrakia. Unfortunately, the Epeirote capital possessed next to no garrison--one of the armies I had defeated during my journey had been its garrison--so I auto-resolved. After this, I hunkered down for about half a decade to build up my infrastructure and reinforce the garrisons of my three new towns.

Once I stabilized my new regions and replenished my army, I proceeded to take to take... uh... the Epeirote city directly north of Ambrakia, and the Makedonian Capital, Pella. No real notable battles, since Pyrrus by this time was busy fighting the Romani, and the bulk of Makedonia's forced were concentrated in the Balkans.

Since taking those regions, the only military activity on my part have been defensive responses to Epeirote and Makedonian incursions into my lands... and pre-empting Ptolemaioi invasions directed towards Rhodos, which they really seem to want. Invade, get repelled, sue for peace... rinse and repeat every half a decade.

Unfortunately, the relative peace I've maintained since taking Pella was shattered shortly after Pontos took Byzantium. Despite years of good relations, they immediately invaded me with two stacks--one full and the other partially filled. However, they had the misfortune of clashing with the veteran army from the wars with Epeirote and Makedonia, which would be the very same army in my first screenshot. They were, of course, repelled.

Other than Pontos, I am currently at war with... hrm... Arche Seleukia, Makedonia, and the Ptolemaioi. Epeiros agreed to a ceasefire with a bit of... monetary persuasion, and shortly after the hostilities between our countries came to an end, Epeiros became a protectorate of the Romani, which is an unnerving development, as I was using Epeiros as a buffer state. The Romani may be my allies, but it's only a matter of time before they turn their attention eastward.

Still, I'm going to keep 'em around until they activate the March of Time, so if they declare before that happens, I'll just fight a defensive war until it does.

[Cute Wolf]

Just roleplaying Pontos, and wonder, why are the victory condition of them is creating empire that intruding far into Baltic lands rather than reviving persian empire...

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/dca4587a75.jpg

eating up the Arche in a blitz were a hard feat in the beginning, but when it comes down to antioch, basically that will be just throwing panda Phalangitai and Pontic Thorakitai down all the way to Persia.... as well as spam many archers in the way.... ^^

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Wow Fluvius would be proud of that blitz!

Oh and Pontic VC's are as they are I believe because many of their later leaders saw themselves as defenders of Hellenism more than Persian influenced. Still a mixture of the two but with their eyes towards the West a bit more than the East. Remember Mithradates planned to unite Hellas against Rome but AFAIK Pontic forces never ventured much further east than Armenia or Syria.

[vartan]

Wow Fluvius would be proud of that blitz!

Oh and Pontic VC's are as they are I believe because many of their later leaders saw themselves as defenders of Hellenism more than Persian influenced. Still a mixture of the two but with their eyes towards the West a bit more than the East. Remember Mithradates planned to unite Hellas against Rome but AFAIK Pontic forces never ventured much further east* than Armenia or Syria.
Yup.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Oops, good catch. Dumb typo while rushing. Fixed

[Cute Wolf]

Wow Fluvius would be proud of that blitz!

that wasn't exactly blitz with extreme efficiency though, I was lucky that those ptolemaioi are busy fighting AS, and they just ceasefire too late, when I allready took antioch and some cities nearby simultaneously (they are ill garrisoned, even with pantodapoi-haploi-peltastai-skirmisher-slingers army, no one will got difficulty conquering cities that was only guarded by one or two phalangitai, especially when they are too dumb to let themself eat the bait, and left city square to caught some depleted skirmishers, only to found out that their city square was taken by some sort of cavalry in 3 minutes (I know that was silly exploit, but I admit doing that when I took Pergamon, Antioch, and Babylon, maybe some others also, but in the east, after taking whole mikhra asia, and not conquer rebel stacks separating me and hayasdan, as well taking antioch, my economy was getting better and I can finally spam countless numbers of panda phalangitai, pontic thorakitai, as well as churning out galatikoi kuraothoroi for heavy line infantry), and a phalangitai half stack were just stand in north levant, beating ptolemaic stacks by stacks that was churning endless galatians, led by 9 star Herakleothes that lead initial Mikhra asia blitz (9 star generals are really awesome in field battle), and after some times, the Ptolemy was looks like to be broken flat, and they ask for peace and 7XXXX minai for that (just recently sacking halicarnassos, including taking down collosus, taking down arthemis temple for economic boost, as well as destroying several wonders in the process), I just barely reply that with "become my protectorate instead and we'll gave you the money", and they accept that (stupid ptolies), and of course, that gave me a big boost in economy from that protectorate thingies, and they just broken more and more, so that's why in the last 5 or 6 years, I manage to sonquer almost all the remnants of persia. I'm so lucky (but every roleplayer will now complain for that barbaric acts I've done)

:clown:

[Jebivjetar]

My mighty Pahlava, 144BC

https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1279/pahlav144.jpg

1) I destroyed Saba just recently, they send stack after stack on me, and sacked population of Charax: this is our Persian revenge!
2) AS is so weak that all they can do is send some fullstacks of pandotapoi: i destroy those armies with 3 8-chevroned units of pandotapio phalangite on autoresolve.
3) Pontos attacked me so i invaded them: Nikaia is their last settlement which i don't want to conquer because KH declared war on me and Nikaia is a perfect buffer zone between Pahlava and KH
4) Hai attacked me, now they're my protectorate
5) I'm powerful as hell :knight:

[Fluvius Camillus]

Wow Fluvius would be proud of that blitz!
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Taken from the first page:


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From EB1.2, the Pontic Empire, currently paused.
https://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt22/Fluvius_Camillus/PonticEmpire.jpg?t=1265919158

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~Fluvius

Mine is not max efficient either, but you guys decide which blitz is better.

~Fluvius

[Fulminatrix]

i finaly got the augustan reforms i have been waiting on this for months feels good!!! The selecuids and pahlava and sauromate are gone only 2 factions left the saka and bactrians they are warring each other for a very long time now. Im just leaving them alone and slowly focus on building up my new areas and replacing the old marian cohorts with imperial ones.

https://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9400/au1w.jpg

my first praetorian guards fresh from the boot camp.

https://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9638/asasasss.jpg

[vartan]

Is the grammatical and orthographical sub-mod for EB still active/around? Look at the Avgvstvs trait and read the first line. It reads:

This man is the ruler of the Roman empire, one of the most powerful man in the world.
What it should say is the following:

This man is the ruler of the Roman empire, one of the most powerful men* in the world.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Is the grammatical and orthographical sub-mod for EB still active/around? Look at the Avgvstvs trait and read the first line. It reads:

What it should say is the following:

What about:

"and later it become the most important of the titles"

~Fluvius

[vartan]

Tiberius already begun to use it when dealing with foreign affairs and later it become the most important of the titles that designated a man as Emperor of the Imperium Romanum.
Corrected:

Tiberius already begun to use it when dealing with foreign affairs and later it became* the most important of the titles that designated a man as Emperor of the Imperium Romanum.
Orthographical. I wish I had that thread bookmarked.

[Mulceber]

Ok, so after 3 months of schoolwork (during most of which I had no access to a computer capable of playing EB), I'm finally back to finish off my AAR of the Roman Republic. For those of you who might need a refresher, here's the linky (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126246-Post-your-EB-empires!&p=2475166&viewfull=1#post2475166) to my last post, which ended with the Triumph of D. Iulius Caesar after his victory in the civil war. Anyway, here goes...


Endgame: Or, How to Win Friends and Destroy the Republic

“He's a tyrant, Sulla,” the first man stated bluntly.

“And yet he's been remarkably benevolent...” his companion scoffed at the assertion.

“Our ancestors ordained that there should be two consuls, to be replaced yearly. They founded our constitution in this way to prevent any one man from establishing a tyranny over the Roman People!”

“We've had Consuls serve successive terms of office before. Remember Lucullus?” the companion posed his point as a rhetorical question. Of course they both remembered Lucullus, the popular politician who had prosecuted Rome's final war against the Carthaginians and had reformed the army to allow the proletariat to serve.

“Lucullus also had too much power, but even he did not win his consulship in a civil war and maintain it for himself for five consecutive years,” the first man inveighed. “Caesar is destroying the Res Publica that has been handed down to us from our ancestors. He is sneering at the customs of our ancient race.” His voice was almost a yell, his handsome features, only slightly wrinkled by age, were distorted with righteous anger.

“But look at his deeds,” the second man's argument was faltering. “He has expanded Roman control to encompass the entirety of Gaul and has established colonies of citizens there. He has created hundreds of jobs for the proles in his building projects – why his Amphitheater alone employed over two thousand of the plebs.”

“You would barter away your constitution and your liberty for a few colonies and an Amphitheater?” The first man asked incisively. “I know you better than that, Sulla. Yours is an ancient name. The good men will rally around you. You must kill Caesar.”

“Your name isn't any less ancient than mine,” Numerius Cornelius Sulla responded defensively. “Your ancestor was Appius Claudius Caecus. If you hate Caesar so much, why don't you kill him? For that matter, if you hate him, why did you help him achieve power in the first place?”

“When I allied myself with Caesar, I did so in the mistaken belief that he was a good man,” he responded smoothly. “If I had any inkling that he would keep the consulship as his private possession, I would never have done what I did. As for why I do not act myself, I am too old. Revolution must come from the younger generation, from your generation.”

“Are you so sure this is for the good of the Res Publica?” Sulla asked. “If we kill him, who's to say another won't rise to replace him?”

“Fortune favors the bold.”

“I'll think about it,” Sulla said hesitantly.

“We'll talk more about it later,” the first man said delicately.

The rule of Decimus Iulius Caesar Gallicus had indeed been unprecedented. After his triumph in the Fall of 125 he had kept his legions camped just outside the pomerium, a move whose message to the Senate could not have been clearer: Caesar's will would be obeyed, or there would be consequences. Nevertheless, there were no deaths in his consulship, and the conqueror of Gaul made a general amnesty one of his first directives as Sole Consul. After this he began a vigorous program of public works, including a fresh aqueduct, a rehabilitation of the perennially seedy Subura and the construction of the monumental Amphitheatrum Iulium. Rome was changing, this much was plain, although no one knew what was to come.

In Fall of that Year, Caesar ran for Consul again, a move which caused much resentment among the Senators. He won easily, the spoils of his Gallic Campaign and the power of the Caesarian Party greasing the wheels of public opinion. This victory was accompanied by radical new legislation which gave Caesar the right to hold the Consulship without a colleague for the next decade. The Senate was uproarious until Gallicus calmly asked who would like to speak against the motion. The Curia fell silent, and the Senate meekly voted for the bill.

During this time period, C. Claudius Pulcher came to the fore as one of the Consul's chief lieutenants, and was awarded another Praetorship in 124. Caesar's other most prominent supporter, A. Cornelius Scipio, was rewarded for his loyalty in the Civil War with the Proconsulship of Gaul, even though he had never served as Consul in Rome. Over the remaining years of the 120's BCE, resentment, particularly among the Senate, steadily grew. If Caesar noticed, he must not have cared. Business and politics continued as usual, and Pulcher accrued greater and greater power as Caesar's subordinate. Some advised Caesar that Pulcher was too ambitious to be trusted, most especially the Consul's twenty-year-old son, Caius, but the trusting old man dismissed such fears.

On the Kalends of September, 120 BCE, Caesar was making his way to a meeting of the Senate. Pulcher was not with him, but instead had sent a message claiming to be incapacitated by arthritis. Caesar had sent a note wishing him well and was now deep in conversation with Nm. Cornelius Sulla, and his brother Titus, and surrounded by a throng including P. Papirius Crassus, the brothers Manius and Titus Cornelius Scipio, their cousin Servius, A. Iulius Iulus and K. Iunius Silanus. As the crowd reached the steps of the Curia, the brothers Scipio, standing behind Gallicus drew daggers and stabbed him in the back, piercing his kidneys. As the old man screamed, Silanus and Iulus both drove their own knives into his stomach, Servius Scipio stabbed him in the side while Crassus and Titus Sulla pierced his chest. Finally, Numerius Sulla stabbed the Consul in the neck. Covered in blood, Caesar slowly fell on the steps.

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The assassins shouted their victory to the surrounding crowd, but were met with stunned silence. The first to make any movement were the attendants and friends of the Consul, who ran into the Senate house and broke up the furniture into clubs. They then returned outside and threw themselves at the murderers, beating them ruthlessly with the remnants of the Senatorial furniture. At this point all hell broke loose as the surrounding crowds joined the fray, some fighting for the assassins, others joining with Caesar's friends. Caesar himself lay dying on the Senate steps, all but ignored as civil violence broke out all around him.

Several of the assassins died during the fray, but by luck, most of them escaped the mob. Nm. Cornelius Sulla found himself close to the house of Pulcher. Seeking shelter inside, he was greeted by Caesar's lieutenant. “It's done,” Sulla said, panting. “I've followed your advice and killed the tyrant. The Res Publica is safe.”

“Excellent,” Pulcher smiled. “What has the reaction among the plebs been?”

“Some of them are a bit angry,” Sulla replied. “But they will realize that it was all for the best.”

“I cannot tell you how much that pleases me,” Pulcher moved forward and embraced the younger Sulla in a hug. Sulla began to return the gesture, but suddenly felt a stab of pain as Pulcher smoothly slid a concealed knife between his ribs. Sulla gasped audibly. “You have saved the Res Publica.” Pulcher stabbed again. “The rule of law has been restored.” He stabbed one last time and then let Sulla drop to the floor. Turning to his freedman he said dismissively, “put the body some place where no one will find it.”