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Back in the MTW .com forum someone posted a way to fix the crusade_build.txt file so that the danes could build crusades - can someone help me as when I went into this file it was large and It looked like the danes were already listed in there. Can someone please tell me the exact line and text to change in this file to get danish crusades and will it take effect for my saved games?
cheers
Yun
Hi Man !
Go to
www.respawn.co.uk (http://www.respawn.co.uk)
U'll find a guide on how to do it there.
That's all I can remember hope that helps. Actually the same guide most be on .org posts as well somewhere.
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[This message has been edited by SeljukSinan (edited 11-01-2002).]
Thanks
but I searched that site and didnt find anything on crusades only how to make campaigns
I also searched here and noto
MonkeyMan
11-01-2002, 18:45
try changing form crusader_build_prod13.txt
the entry for chapter house contains
"{ ARAGONESE, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, SPANISH }"
add in ,DANISH
the crusade iteslf in unit prod already contains the danes
in crusader unit_prod11.txt you may want to check that the equivalent lines for orderfoot and the type of mounted units you want danish crusades to have(templars,santiago,hospitaliers,teutonic)
also include the name DANISH.
Hope this works but you may still have problems with the composition you recieve in the crusade, needless to say i just thought of all this now and have no time to test it.
Also don´t forget to change Knights Templar and Order Foot so that the Danes can use them aswell !! Or their Crusades will be Fanatics only !
PS: Danish Crusades can be a real pain ! Fighting one in Serbia atm.
PPS: You also have to change the Crusade itself and the AI behaviour of the Danes to "CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_EXPANSIONIST" or it won´t even use Crusades.
[This message has been edited by Jaret (edited 11-03-2002).]
You could do the modding yourself, but I've already created a mod that lets all catholic factions, including minors, launch crusades. Its available from the downloads section here at the org: http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/MTW/Stats.shtml
strangely enough it's called 'Wart crusader', the enclosed readme contains details of what it changes. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Thankyou to all who replied - that was what I wanted to know
I actually changed the build file on the weekend - and realised there werent ahy knights
just to clarify in the unit prod11.txt I need to search for Teutonics and orderfoot or do I search for chapter house like the build file.
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The Danes Crusaded against the pagans around the Baltic. That is not much prestige in it so it is hardly remembered outside Scandinavia.
The most fitting unit you get to the Danish Crusades would be Teutonics, but in reality the Danish Crusades were more invasions with Papal sanctioning and subsequent forced conversions of the population. So there were no Orders that actually protected any Christian pilgtrims... Who would do a pilgrimage to Estonia or Rügen???
Teutonics are fitting enough as they were an aggressive Order, attacking and Crusading and they worked in the lower Baltics.
Because of the rather small size of Denmark and its holdings when there were Crusades they were a major investment, something that demanded a lot from the small population.
Sending 20,000 troops along with clergy and smallfolks out from a country of only 900,000 is a bit taxing.
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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
Two things here a Crusade by definition is a religeous thing not a country thing
So if the Germans are launching a crusade from saxony then its highly likely that catholics will be coming from everywhere and did, hence it doesnt make sense to say these countries lauched crusades and these didnt cause it had nothing to do with countries.
second I have read many account of nordic knights as well as norman knights who were a mixture or Nordic and French peoples participating in crusades - maybe they didnt launch any but they certainly played their part when it came to the killing and the raping. So I think excluding them is a little bit unrealistic.
As far as game play it makes it tough when every other man and his dog is launching Jihads and crusades across the globe and your stuck in little denmark not able to attack anyone for fear of everyone launching crusades against u - you shouldnt ask WHY the Danes should have crusades? but WHY NOT?
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[This message has been edited by YunDog (edited 11-04-2002).]
Where did my other posts go????????
Lord Krazy
11-09-2002, 04:34
On Crusade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
LK
Brown Wolf
11-10-2002, 08:16
Quote[/b] (YunDog @ Nov. 04 2002,05:32)]Two things here a Crusade by definition is a religeous thing not a country thing
So if the Germans are launching a crusade from saxony then its highly likely that catholics will be coming from everywhere and did, hence it doesnt make sense to say these countries lauched crusades and these didnt cause it had nothing to do with countries.
second I have read many account of nordic knights as well as norman knights who were a mixture or Nordic and French peoples participating in crusades - maybe they didnt launch any but they certainly played their part when it came to the killing and the raping. So I think excluding them is a little bit unrealistic.
As far as game play it makes it tough when every other man and his dog is launching Jihads and crusades across the globe and your stuck in little denmark not able to attack anyone for fear of everyone launching crusades against u - you shouldnt ask WHY the Danes should have crusades? but WHY NOT?
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[This message has been edited by YunDog (edited 11-04-2002).]
Yeah I was disappointed that The Danes could not create or Crusade or use the cheap "hobby" horses.
Lord Krazy
11-10-2002, 08:23
Quote[/b] (YunDog @ Nov. 03 2002,23:46)]Thankyou to all who replied - that was what I wanted to know
I actually changed the build file on the weekend - and realised there werent ahy knights
just to clarify in the unit prod11.txt I need to search for Teutonics and orderfoot or do I search for chapter house like the build file.
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Did you get an answere on this before the new
board was posted?
Just in case:)
You want to look for TeutonicKnights
and add Danish to all the other regions
named for them in region association http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
LK
Thanks LK and others I am happily lauching full crusades as the danes now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
so to clarify the changes for anyone else who comes along and wants to know here it is Danish Crusades:
step 1
in the crusader_build_prod13.txt file
the entry for chapter house contains
"{ ARAGONESE, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, SPANISH }"
add in ,DANISH
step 2
in the crusader_unit_prod11.txt file
search for TeutonicKnights and TeutonicSeargents
and where it says GERMAN_HRE change to DANISH, GERMAN_HRE
search for OrderFootSoldiers
"{ ARAGONESE, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, SPANISH }"
and add DANISH in between Aragonese and English
step 3
in the startpos folder
early.txt file and late etc
change the DANES to CATHOLIC_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST
this will make the AI also launch crusades as the danes
Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion I found it very informative and entertaining
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Has anyone seen the movie, The Seventh Seal, by the famous Ingmar Bergman? The hero there, Max Von Sydow (later famous for The Exorcist) was a crusader returning home and encountering Death who he challenges to a chess game. Incredible movie, even if its black n white. Got all sorts of stuff including The Plague and Flagellants. Anyways, he seemed to be a Knights Hospitaller (white cross on a black field - hey its a black and white movie) and so it made me think about the Danish/Scandinavian crusades. Also they talk about the Saints festival in Elsinore which you know, if you've read Hamlet, is the Royal capital of Denmark.
Regards,
Gilbert de Clare
Sorry dclare I havent seen it - I only saw the modern version with demi moore. But Ill look out for it - it sounds cool
cheers
YD
dclare there were Danes and Swedes in the ranks of the fighting Orders. Remember it was a popular thing, and some of the recruits must have been good enough.
But Hamlet is wrong in saying Elsinore (Helsingør in Danish) is the Royal capital, it never has been. Only Roskilde and Copenhagen has been capitals.
Though Helsingør has always been a very important city because it controlled the seas, so it had and still has a big castle.
Oops Okay I guess thats yet another example of Shakespeare as an unreliable historian. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The 'modern' thing with Demi you're thinking of is the Seventh SIGN - a contemporary end of the world shtick. The Seventh SEAL is a totally different movie. Its a great movie, makes you think and its got that famous Chess Game with Death thing going throughout plus its directed by a true artist not some wannabe hack. And its not too long so you won't get bored... if you can get past the subtitles
Gloucester
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Nov. 04 2002,01:18)]The Danes Crusaded against the pagans around the Baltic. That is not much prestige in it so it is hardly remembered outside Scandinavia.
The most fitting unit you get to the Danish Crusades would be Teutonics, but in reality the Danish Crusades were more invasions with Papal sanctioning and subsequent forced conversions of the population. So there were no Orders that actually protected any Christian pilgtrims... Who would do a pilgrimage to Estonia or Rügen???
Teutonics are fitting enough as they were an aggressive Order, attacking and Crusading and they worked in the lower Baltics.
Because of the rather small size of Denmark and its holdings when there were Crusades they were a major investment, something that demanded a lot from the small population.
Sending 20,000 troops along with clergy and smallfolks out from a country of only 900,000 is a bit taxing.
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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.
You may not care about war, but war cares about you
From a historical viewpoint, it makes absolute sense to include the Danes in crusades. The Norwegians are a less populous country than Dennmark, and they launched a crusade which travelled by ship to the Holyland (Antioch/Jerusalem in MTW) and played a major role during one of the crusades in the capture of a key strategic target.
Use of the Teutonic knights in a Danish crusade is really pushing it. In the Norwegian crusade that I mentioned, no major orders were included. It would be more true to form to leave the knights out.
Quote[/b] (YunDog @ Nov. 12 2002,03:16)]Thanks LK and others I am happily lauching full crusades as the danes now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
so to clarify the changes for anyone else who comes along and wants to know here it is Danish Crusades:
step 1
in the crusader_build_prod13.txt file
the entry for chapter house contains
"{ ARAGONESE, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, SPANISH }"
add in ,DANISH
step 2
in the crusader_unit_prod11.txt file
search for TeutonicKnights and where it says GERMAN_HRE change to DANISH, GERMAN_HRE
search for OrderFootSoldiers
"{ ARAGONESE, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, SPANISH }"
and add DANISH in between Aragonese and English
step 3
in the startpos folder
early.txt file and late etc
change the DANES to CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST
this will make the AI also launch crusades as the danes
Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion I found it very informative and entertaining
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Great post Yungdog. I was not aware that you should have a Catholic_crusader_naval_expansionist as an option. I haven't seen it listed anywhere before.
It is kinda strange that the religious orders are differint for every country.
The Templar Knights were originaly a part of the German Teutonic Knights (Deutschritter), but as the order started to build chapterhouses in different countries they started recruiting from local population (ie. French or English).
Same with the Hospitaler Knights (Johaniter Knights), who opperated from Germany and Italy.
The knight orders were institutions of the church and did barely care about nations. Maybe making them bound to certain regions would be more acurate ... but would be one hell of a modding job http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
The Black Ship
11-15-2002, 21:14
Careful with the AI change gentlemen, I changed the Danes to CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST in every place that made since in the Startpos folder. However, when I went to start a new game all my factions had disappeared. Only by backtracking was I able to rectify the situation.
You have to change the AI labels as well I think (don't know for sure since I never got it to work).
Thanks for the help though gents, I've already launched a Crusade to Algeria that netted me 2,000 Crusaders
King David
11-15-2002, 21:26
Quote[/b] (Wart @ Nov. 03 2002,21:39)]You could do the modding yourself, but I've already created a mod that lets all catholic factions, including minors, launch crusades. Its available from the downloads section here at the org: http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/MTW/Stats.shtml
strangely enough it's called 'Wart crusader', the enclosed readme contains details of what it changes. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Glad to see your still around Wart.. Have you figured out a way to get pagans and orthodox to Use crusades ? It would be great to see the mongols go on raids and the Bizantines to go on campaigns were they can stack units.
ICantSpellDawg
11-15-2002, 22:38
jaret, the templars were never part of the teutonic order, maybe you are thinking about the sword bretheren from riga. they had a red cross on a white mantle also (with a sword or two under the cross)and were later absorbed by the larger teutonic order.
the templars were originally from burgundy and normandy. the teutonic order was many years younger and in fact took the rule of the templars.
the hospitallers were also a french/italian order - both the templars and hospitallers had preceptories in germanic states, but neither of the two were historically german in origin. but if you have the source for that information, id be happy to read it
Hmmm, I havent actally tested that AI line yet - Ive been playing my saved game as the Danish and Hadnt started a new one. I better try it out - I read it in another post
Anyone else tried the Catholic_Crusader_Naval_Expansionist change and had any problems? or got it to work?
Sorry to anyone that had probs because of it - BlackShip - what was the problem/solution in the end?
You might also wanna add in the Danish as being able to build Teutonic Sergeants?
I wasn't aware you could have the personality:
Crusader_Naval_Expansionist?
When you look at the possible personalities in the various build files there isn't one called this, which may explain why some of you are getting faults. The possible Crusader personalities are Crusader_Trader, Defensive_Crusader and Expansionist_Crusader
By simply leaving the Danes as Naval_Expansionist they will still crusade, just not as often as the factions with "Crusader" in their personality. The Italians are "Trader" for instance and they crusade.
Guys,
DOC is right you can be naval_expansionist
or Crusader_expansionist
but not both - if you try and add both all you campaigns will disappear
sorry about the misleading info - I guess I got carried away with xpanding my expansionism - so to speak http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
will correct my previous post
The Black Ship
11-19-2002, 17:07
Sorry for not getting back sooner Yun, been having too much fun destroying the Byzantine and Egyptian empires with my constant crusades Like Doc I foung that the AI will indeed crusade so I just ignored trying to change the personality any further.
On a side note: an army of 200 Teutonic Knights, 500 Order Foot, 180 Pavisse arbs, 120 Chivalric swords, and 20 Royal Knights is a tough nut for any AI army to crack...especially when I have a follow-up force of smaller Teutonics/Order to round off the losses after a battle. I places an 5 star noble in charge and quickly got him to legendary (the Royal Knight unit).
Thanks for all the info guys, this has made the game so much more fun for me I think I'm gonna cry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
No worries Ship, that sure sounds like a kick ass crusade thats going all the way to the Holy Lands
But dont forget to take along a token couple of vikings - after all you are the Danes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
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