View Full Version : Mini Mafia Game Seven Man Scrimmage V - Red Herring Mafia [Concluded]
22:57, 2nd October 1911, Carnegie Hotel, Pittsburgh, PA
The ballroom of the Carnegie Hotel is identical to Versailles' Hall of Mirrors, just without the mirrors. Massive in every dimension, and with walls covered in priceless art, it is the pinnacle of luxury in Edwardian America. It is so brightly illuminated by the colossal chandeliers that loomed over the visitor, that even at 11'o clock at night, the incomer would have to squint when he entered. Once the eyes had focused, they would naturally lay themselves upon the dominating glass panniers that hovered overhead. As the visitor began to count the twelve regularly inter-spaced baubles, he would notice that the seventh one was not in it's proper position. Rather, it was lying on the floor, in a thousand more pieces than it should have been, on top of a pair of shiny black shoes.
This particular visitor strode through the crowd of tuxedo-d middle aged men fretting around him towards the shoes. As he got there, some of the suited men had managed to push the beast of a chandelier of the shoes, which were revealed to be attached to a pair of legs which belonged to Mr Subotan, the master professional. Or, the late Mr Subotan, as Mr Subotan had recently undergone intense crushing, a death by tackiness. As the visitor knelt down and rolled the body over to confirm it's identity, a little blood could be seen to have stained the collar of the late gentleman's tuxedo. Around the cadaver, the suits were variously sobbing or gawking at the disaster which had just befell the convention.
The new arrival sighed and stood up. As he lit a cigarette, he raised his eyes to the banner draped over the long wall of the ballroom and cursed. For on that banner was printed, in foot high letters:
WELCOME
BUTLERS OF THE WORLD (http://www.butlerschool.com/photos/butler_cartoon_1_11.jpg)
Welcome to Subotan's first mafia game, a game inspired by the above Far Side cartoon! This is the latest in the now well established Seven Man Scrimmage series started by Diamondeye (Please don't kill me for pinching the SVS name), and I intend for this to be a simple game, yet one in which you are all kept in the dark.
Sign ups are CLOSED
Sign Ups 7/7
Thermal Mercury
Yaropolk
Cent1
Cow Tools Double A
Methos
Secura
ATPG
Double A
02-24-2010, 22:48
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2347642183_714b1ca7b3.jpg
I love the Far Side :3
And can I count that as an In?
Yaropolk
02-24-2010, 23:35
i'm in
Centurion1
02-25-2010, 02:26
in of course.
Double A
02-25-2010, 06:21
I love the Far Side :3
And can I count that as an In?
Nah I was just going out of my way to post Cow Tools in a random thread :wink:
Diamondeye
02-25-2010, 15:44
I'm absolutely fine with you using the name. This looks like an interesting setup, I will be lurking with great interest!
It's not going to have any amazing new mechanics, but the write ups should be interesting.
Come on, just one more. It's a murder mystery at the World Butler Convention, that's got to have some takers.
Centurion1
02-27-2010, 16:23
someone sign up. is it just me or are games lagging right now.
Vote: The Butler
You are one mighty shrewd mafia player.
someone sign up. is it just me or are games lagging right now.
Games are lagging right now
Askthepizzaguy
02-27-2010, 22:25
You need players. I'll sign up.
Yay, we've got a game on now! \o/
Yay
I'll aim to start it at 12:00 GMT
Everyone now has a PM.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN
The Pittsburgh Post
Convention Continues: Threat of Raging Psychopath "Exaggerated"
Despite the recent death of the esteemed Mr. Subotan, The World Butler Convention will continue. A spokesperson for the Convention, Mr Pevergreen issued a statement yesterday evening:
"Although it is of course incredibly unfortunate that the front-runner for the 'Best British Butler' Prize was impaled by three hundred shards of glass, the Convention's managers have decided not to cancel the Convention. There is no evidence yet that his death was the result of foul play, and the rumours of a 'mafia' who want everyone in the Convention disembowelled are clearly exaggerated, despite the messages written in blood on the Hotel's walls."
Third Party sources suspect that the convention will continue due to the power of the aristocratic families who have bankrolled the competition, and whose butlers are competing for the top prize. Mr Sniffleburg, the master of the late Mr. Subotan, was reported to have received phone calls from other members of the upper class which consisted of braying, taunts and quotes such as "That'll serve you right for shooting my bloodhound on Greenham Moor!". Mr Sniffleburg in a press conference said
It's a terrible crime, and the culprit should be apprehended and feel the full force of the law as quickly as possible. The destruction of such a beautiful chandelier is a monstrous act, and the fact that it puts me out of the running for winning "Best British Butler" prize only makes it worse!
Pittsburgh Police are currently conducting a investigation, with Inspector Collings leading the inquiry.
EDIT:Night should start iin 24 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
02-28-2010, 17:06
Woot.
Vote: No lynch
Is it just me, or is it best in a seven man game to always Vote: No Lynch on the first day?
Centurion1
02-28-2010, 21:22
vote: abstain
bad move to take a random lynch in a mini mafia.
Ugh, you're all cowards.
In other news, I have decided that the competition of "Best British Butler" will be open to all butler characters. The winner is the butler who posts the most posts by the end of the game. Of course, you can't win if you're dead, so you have to be alive by the end of the game to win.
Askthepizzaguy
02-28-2010, 21:29
Let me take a crack at breaking it down for those interested:
If: 1 murderous scum, 6 basic townies
Choosing not to lynch forces the 1 murderer to eliminate 1 of the wrong choices, which enables the 5 remaining townies to have a statistically better chance of eliminating the mafia. A 1/5 chance of guessing correctly on the second round instead of 1/6 on the first round.
And, due to the fact that there would still be 4 townies remaining after that lynch, the town can still make a mistake. 2 lynches at much better odds.
If: 2 murderous scum who don't know each other, 5 basic townies
Choosing not to lynch forces them to take a chance at accidentally hitting their own partner. Even if they do not, that leaves 2 scums remaining and 4 basic townies, giving you a 2/5 chance of hitting a mafia. 40% isn't bad.
If: 2 murderous scums who know each other, 5 basic townies
Slightly worse, but then your major problem is if you miss on the first lynch, and then get a murder as well. Then you have 2 scumbags who know each other versus 3 townies who do not, which means ALL THREE townies must avoid hitting each other, the worst case scenario for a mini game.
Better to have 2 scums and 4 townies, for an ever-so-slight margin of error. That way even if one townie makes a mistake, the other 3 can save the day.
Also, the scums would be able to murder one more time before the game is even over. You could force it down to 2 scums and 3 townies by delaying twice in a row, giving you that 50% chance of eliminating a mafia if the three of you guess correctly.
This is the toughest game, where it may be better to put your two shots together, a first lynch which has a 2/6 chance of hitting a scum and the second lynch which has a 50% chance, you have a combined total of 83% chance of hitting a scum with the two. The only issue is that the mafia will make it very difficult to get the right response, so it isn't as simple as random chance.
What No Lynch does do is it helps you immensely if the game isn't all basic townies versus 2 scums who know each other. People generally seem to agree that such a set-up is just about unbalanced, especially if the first lynch doesn't go well, then it's nearly impossible to win.
Other than that worst case scenario, which I don't think Subotan would set up for his first mini game that I've seen him host, I'd bet on the No Lynch option to reduce our bad options by one.
Does someone want to double check my numbers, though? most of these assume that you don't vote for yourself.
Askthepizzaguy
02-28-2010, 21:34
Ugh, you're all cowards.
In other news, I have decided that the competition of "Best British Butler" will be open to all butler characters. The winner is the butler who posts the most posts by the end of the game. Of course, you can't win if you're dead, so you have to be alive by the end of the game to win.
Posts the most posts?
Host, the one who boasts the most posts won't even be close. Here's a dose of reality, I post by the gross, and the competition I'll roast. They don't stand a chance of a ghost; I shall coast to victory and give them a toast.
Centurion1
02-28-2010, 21:36
uhhhhhhhhh trhis counts as a post as well.
Askthepizzaguy
02-28-2010, 21:43
uhhhhhhhhh trhis counts as a post as well.
I think you should only give partial credit for it.
PS- this could easily turn into a spamfest so let's not and say we did.
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 00:38
yeah ill try to avoid spamming
Yaropolk
03-01-2010, 00:55
Since this is a far side mafia, the killer is obviously the baddest cow in the world! (http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/worlds-largest-horns.html) Seriously though, ATPG's numbers are off a bit but he has the right idea. With 1 scum, the chance or randomly lynching him before the game is over is around 78%, and with 2 scum it's around 67%. The odds go up with pro town roles or if scum don't know each other.
Vote no lynch
You know what?
To please our gracious host and stir the pot, so to speak, I'm going to vote: Askthepizzaguy. Sure, the vote isn't really going to amount to much, but it's a game, it's for funsies... :P
Pizza, your explanation of the chances of town success was a really cute touch, but ultimately just struck me as common sense. I look forward to your mozarella-based rebuttal! :P
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 01:13
vote: secura to many pizza jokes when centurions waiting for a juicy, delicious, steak. *wipes mouth*
I apologise to your poor stomach, Cent!
Askthepizzaguy
03-01-2010, 01:18
You know what?
To please our gracious host and stir the pot, so to speak, I'm going to vote: Askthepizzaguy. Sure, the vote isn't really going to amount to much, but it's a game, it's for funsies... :P
Pizza, your explanation of the chances of town success was a really cute touch, but ultimately just struck me as common sense. I look forward to your mozarella-based rebuttal! :P
No rebuttal is warranted. Common sense sometimes needs a little bit of math to back it up.
Your vote would be better elsewhere, of course, but that's also common sense. :bow:
Indeed, it certainly would, I have no doubts about that.
I merely wanted to spice things up a little, rather than seven clear 'no lynch' votes.
Double A
03-01-2010, 01:41
Stands by and waits patiently for the Jihad and thousands of Sipahis.
Yaropolk
03-01-2010, 14:39
vote: secura to many pizza jokes when centurions waiting for a juicy, delicious, steak. *wipes mouth*
unvote; vote: secura lets see who breaks the tie
Surprisingly, the butlers did not attempt to find out the killer immediately. They all seemed quite content to lie around and eat this new fangled pizza meal that had just arrived with some Italian immigrants, and was currently the height of sophistication in Pittsburgh. But by no means were these butlers a multi-cultural lot, as their persecution of one particular butler showed. His funny accent, tendency to ramble and curious, almost drawn features all drew votes to Secura. Eventually, it was decided, in a rather nonchalant fashion that Secura was probably the killer, and was thus set upon by the butlers. Yaropolk and Centurion1 each drew their corkscrews, let out a mighty roar and attacked Secura, knocking him to ground so that the pair could unscrew Secura's eyes from his face.
When the deed was done, a thorough inspection of the corpse revealed that
Secura was Nestor
http://www.gorianet.it/tintin/dessins/nestor.jpg
He was just a townie!
Embarassed by what they had done, the remaining butlers decided that now would be a good time to go back to their bedrooms.
Night will end in 24 Hours, OR once all of you who have night abilities have sent their orders in. As there are only seven people, it shouldn't be too much trouble to bring forward day by a few hours. Regardless, it will end at 16:00 GMT tomorrow, whether you have sent orders in or not.
Good job!
If I was mafia, do you really think I would have drawn attention to myself by deciding not to vote no lynch?
EDIT: Subotan, just noticed that I recieved two votes (Centurion and Yaropolk), whereas No Lynch recieved three (Pizza, Methos, Thermal). I should still be alive... what gives? :<
So much for no lynch (and I hate no lynches but see it as a good plan here). Though to be fair it isn't entirely yaropolk's and centurion's faults, seeing as secura was the person who voted for something other than no lynch in the first place.
A rough start it would seem. :brood:
If no lynch was not permitted, the rules should have stated as such and the host should have pointed it out to you, Pizza and Methos who all voted as such, no?
I'm hardly likely to want to draw attention to myself if I'm mafia, treacle; I'd simply bandwagon no lynch like everyone else.
EDIT: Subotan, just noticed that I recieved two votes (Centurion and Yaropolk), whereas No Lynch recieved three (Pizza, Methos, Thermal). I should still be alive... what gives? :<
Oh no! I treated the No Lynches as Abstains! :sweatdrop::sweatdrop::sweatdrop:
I'm really sorry, this was completely my fault, but it doesn't seem like there's much I can do. If it was a big game, of, say, 40 people, or if I hadn't revealed, then I would be more than happy to resurrect you. However, the compact nature of the game means that that isn't really feasible...
I feel really stupid, as I was wondering earlier today about the difference between the two, and I decided (wrongly) that there wasn't any difference. To make it up to you, I'll save you a spot in every mafia game I host from now on, if you want.
Oh no! I treated the No Lynches as Abstains! :sweatdrop::sweatdrop::sweatdrop:
I'm really sorry, this was completely my fault, but it doesn't seem like there's much I can do. If it was a big game, of, say, 40 people, or if I hadn't revealed, then I would be more than happy to resurrect you. However, the compact nature of the game means that that isn't really feasible...
I feel really stupid, as I was wondering earlier today about the difference between the two, and I decided (wrongly) that there wasn't any difference. To make it up to you, I'll save you a spot in every mafia game I host from now on, if you want.
It's okay, really. I actually made the very same mistake in my own mini-game a few weeks ago; I believed they were the same thing at one point too, but was hastily corrected by half my players. Fun times! xD
I thought about it and realised that even if I was reinstated, as it were, I'd be night-killed anyway. It won't stop me from signing up for your games anyway, don't worry about it; I look forward to the next one! :3
I wish everyone luck and hope the town overcomes the scum so that I didn't die in vain. :<
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 21:41
alright yaro your scum.
my vote was an obvious joke and you just got her killed for it.
Double A
03-01-2010, 21:56
Yeah, no lynch means you don't wanna lynch, and abstain means you don't care one way or the other.
Askthepizzaguy
03-01-2010, 21:59
...sigh.
Double A
03-01-2010, 22:00
Maybe no lynch isn't such a good idea, it hasn't worked in the past 2 games.
Askthepizzaguy
03-01-2010, 22:04
Maybe no lynch isn't such a good idea, it hasn't worked in the past 2 games.
In the other game the vote was too close to force it to happen. And it would have been an EXCELLENT idea, as we just saw. In this game it didn't work because of non-game-related reasons.
How dare you criticize MY no lynch strategy? :brood:
Double A
03-01-2010, 22:09
Oh please great Blitzmaster, I beg forgiveness for my insolence! I don't deserve the honor of reading your posts!
Askthepizzaguy
03-01-2010, 22:10
Oh please great Blitzmaster, I beg forgiveness for my insolence! I don't deserve the honor of reading your posts!
He says as he sends in the order to murder me...
Yaropolk
03-01-2010, 22:15
alright yaro your scum.
my vote was an obvious joke and you just got her killed for it.
Hi Pot, my name is Kettle, nice to meet you. I am sure Secura found your joke hilarious!
I agree that no lynch was better idea for same reasons as ATPG. I missed Methos' no lynch vote because of how he phrased it, so I thought I am tying it up 2 - 2 between Secura and No Lynch to see if a scum would be tempted to cast the deciding vote to get the D1 lynch.
Double A
03-01-2010, 22:16
I learned from the best.
It's okay, Subotan simply got confused between No Lynch and Abstain; it can happen when you're a new host, I did the exact same. No Lynch would have worked otherwise, though. Don't criticise the idea of doing it in a first round; I simply wanted to stir things up a little so it wasn't seven people wasting a round, and it appears I paid the price for that. It puts the town on the backfoot slightly, yes, but the game's far from over yet.
I'd take notice of Centurion's last post, also; he just stated the exact same feeling I had when I read I was lynched. Go figure. :3
I'd like to add that the reasons I did not vote no lynch were twofold:
- I wanted to stir things up a little and see if any mafia would switch their votes to me; someone who decides to lynch in a first round is a soft target; I drew attention to myself by doing so and waited to see who would bite. Remember, if I had been mafia myself, I would not have risked things by deviating my vote.
- I was actually away from my computer all day, and I came home to see that the majority of people were either voting for no lynch or abstaining entirely. I didn't want to look suspicious by being one of the last to hop on the bandwagon, so went with the aforementioned plan.
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 23:30
but the difference is yaro i didnt actually want to lynch her and it was not going to make a difference if she had one vote on her. then you jumped on and it became serious.
your vote made the difference and why would you ever want an actual tie. no mafia is that stupid.
no mafia is that stupid.
But they can be that meticulous.
I was a little confused at first, but just assumed no lynch equated to abstain in this game.
Everyone has sent in their orders, so I'll start the day phase now.
Askthepizzaguy leaned back in chair and sighed. He had just spent the day co-ordinating the efforts of the hapless butlers, and he deserved a rest. With a log fire crackling in the fireplace of his hotel suite, some Edgar Allen Poe in his lap and a glass of the finest brandy Pennsylvania has to offer in his hand, Askthepizzaguy was enjoying the good life at the Carnegie hotel, despite the ever present threat of death.
He took a long, deep sip of his brandy. And then another. He drank so many anothers in fact, that pretty soon, the his bottle, a gift, had run out. Askthepizzaguy reached to the telephone and put the ear piece to his ear and asked room service for more brandy. Staying a in a hotel full of butlers, it was hardly likely to take very long.
After a minute or so, pounding thuds could be heard at the door to his apartment. Askthepizzaguy, unsure as to why the knocks were so aggressive, hesitated. It turned out there was no need for him to get up, as the door was kicked in by a towering figure who filled the room with his presence and sent Askthepizzaguy stumbling to the floor in shock. The shadowed figure then growled in a voice filled with malice
"You rang, sir? You rang - for BRANDY?"
And with that, the hulking colossus drew a large heavy bottle, and brandishing his brandy, swung it down, very hard, and very fast onto poor Askthepizzaguy's head.
When the butlers gathered around in the morning to survey the damage, it was clear that the corpse in Hotel Room 101 used to be
Askthepizzaguy was Inspector Collings
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RzbVbx_mJ-0/SUvjg3AggzI/AAAAAAAAHjc/RCaWzSb8p9g/s800/image007.jpg
He was the cop!
Night will begin at 22:45 GMT tomorrow.
vote: methos
I tracked his movements tonight, he was sighted entering ATPG's room. This is no coincidence.
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 23:53
oh crap.
pizza who you investigate.
and i remember someone claiming they were going to kill pizza. ignore that its probably a trick or maybe pizza said hed kill someone.......
You know, I would have put money on the mafia killing Pizza first. A shame; the town's going to have their work cut out without his reasoning, I feel.
Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 23:54
wait i think methos could be a good choice. but lets wait to see who pizza investigated before we bandwagon. because if he was roleblocked we dont want to make that mistake.
just a word of warning
pizza who you investigate.
I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.
Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3
Thanks. I'm particularly fond of the bit where the attacker brandishes the brandy.
You know, I would have put money on the mafia killing Pizza first. A shame; the town's going to have their work cut out without his reasoning, I feel.
Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3
I am a tracker, I tracked Methos (as he has won with silent victories before now) I got lucky, it is a mini-mafia so it is a big gamble, but Methos is ATPG's killer as he entered ATPG's room last night. Secura, as Beskar's results saved town in your game, I'm hoping mine saves town in this game. :bow:
And yes, subotan nice write up, I quite like the balance of not being too long to read and not being to boring either :tongue:
Centurion1
03-01-2010, 23:57
I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.
it usually does not work that way actually which is why i said last game. if i roleblock someone even if i die we will get at least one move out of me.
dont hold it to me though.
I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.
Oh, is that convention? I was unsure, so I gave him his results, and trusted that being the experienced player he is, he would know what to do with them, and whether it as ethical for him to reveal his results.
Askthepizzaguy
03-01-2010, 23:59
I have the results of my investigation and I assume I cannot reveal them because I am dead.
Centurion1
03-02-2010, 00:01
when was that ever a rule?
ive died because of stuff like that.
Subotan, as host could you tell us if he can.
Hint: Yes would be a good answer :wink:
I am a tracker, I tracked Methos (as he has won with silent victories before now) I got lucky, it is a mini-mafia so it is a big gamble, but Methos is ATPG's killer as he entered ATPG's room last night. Secura, as Beskar's results saved town in your game, I'm hoping mine saves town in this game. :bow:
Yeah, Beskie was very lucky that you protected him overnight; he would have still gotten those investigation results, but would have been prohibited from revealing them as he would have been 'out of the game', as it were.
Oh, is that convention? I was unsure, so I gave him his results, and trusted that being the experienced player he is, he would know what to do with them, and whether it as ethical for him to reveal his results.
Well, you can give him his results, yes, but as far as I know, it's frowned upon to reveal those after death (how can you reveal stuff or point fingers if you're toast?); it is entirely up to you as host. Perhaps Pizza himself can clarify for you, he'd know better than I. :3
EDIT: It appears he believed the same as I, unfortunately for the town.
Centurion1
03-02-2010, 00:06
well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.
Subotan, as host could you tell us if he can.
Hint: Yes would be a good answer :wink:
Well, you can give him his results, yes, but as far as I know, it's frowned upon to reveal those after death (how can you reveal stuff or point fingers if you're toast?); it is entirely up to you as host. Perhaps Pizza himself can clarify for you, he'd know better than I. :3
EDIT: It appears he believed the same as I, unfortunately for the town.
I have decided that due both to ATPG's opinion and the nature of the write indicating that before he could reveal his investigation results, he was unfortunately bludgeoned to death, that ATPG is not allowed to reveal his investigation results.
well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.
That's spiritual guidance.
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2010, 00:09
Out of respect for the mafia, I shall not reveal my results. If you die you cannot reveal such information unless there's a role that specifically can talk to the dead. Otherwise death merely means no vote, and that is not usually how it is taken.
Centurion1
03-02-2010, 00:09
so be it.
Vote: methos
if tm lied we can still get him.
Double A
03-02-2010, 00:10
Again, the butler did it.
vote: Methos
Only one way to tell if we have a tracker or not.
well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.
If Subotan wants me to stop posting and eat a can of STFU, well I'll get my fork and dig right in! :P
But it's fun to still post; it's not like I know anything about the game beyond what's in this thread... such is the bane of dying so early. :3
Double A
03-02-2010, 00:13
Yeah it really sucks when you get killed D1... miss out on an entire game.
If Subotan wants me to stop posting and eat a can of STFU, well I'll get my fork and dig right in! :P
But it's fun to still post; it's not like I know anything about the game beyond what's in this thread... such is the bane of dying so early. :3
By all means go nuts. Like I said, spiritual guidance is fine.
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2010, 00:15
Being unable to post after you're dead as a basic townie leads to games dying of inactivity. The alternative is to kill off all the talkative people and kill the town's discussion, and I don't like games like that. No offense NOTW'ers.
I cannot give an opinion on this game anymore, so please continue as if I wasn't even a cop to begin with. Don't dwell on me.
Double A
03-02-2010, 00:17
They do that?
So is that why you always get killed Night -1 in NOTW games?
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2010, 00:20
They do that?
So is that why you always get killed Night -1 in NOTW games?
I never have been.
However, I usually get investigated N1 in any game, and that gets tiresome. I officially hate investigator roles. How ironic.
Being unable to post after you're dead as a basic townie leads to games dying of inactivity. The alternative is to kill off all the talkative people and kill the town's discussion, and I don't like games like that. No offense NOTW'ers.
Exactly; if I'm still throwing my two cents in, there's more conversation, which can help stop people from winning just by playing things silently.
I think you guys should see what Methos has to say for himself, anyway, before you jump the gun.
Not game related but Secura, I didn't protect anyone in your game as I wasn't in it, I simply observed because it was such an epic effort on your behalf (with interesting write ups and the whole ker-bang).
I would imagine their is only 1 mafia though 2 isn't unheard of if town have great roles, I think we do. Which might mean their are two mafia, in which case should the game continue, I wouldn't be highly surprised, though unless anything implicates it otherwise it would still make me look suspicious..... continues on side-rail of thought*
Not game related but Secura, I didn't protect anyone in your game as I wasn't in it, I simply observed because it was such an epic effort on your behalf (with interesting write ups and the whole ker-bang).
OH! It was SplitPersonality... I got your names confuzzled, apologies. Thank you for the critique, it took of time thinking of a good plot and stuff, but the game balance suffered as a result. Town won by sheer luck! Still, it was my first go, hoping the next will be better. :P
I would imagine their is only 1 mafia though 2 isn't unheard of if town have great roles, I think we do. Which might mean their are two mafia, in which case should the game continue, I wouldn't be highly surprised, though unless anything implicates it otherwise it would still make me look suspicious..... continues on side-rail of thought*
Thermal's claim to be a tracker makes some sense, but does bear some further thought.
If there is only one mafia, and it's Methos, then it's game over, you guys win, which would be great.
If Thermal is actually scum, and his claim is designed to throw suspicion on someone else, well the two remaining townies can always take him out in the next day phase.
If there are two mafia, the second may avenge a Methos lynch by killing Thermal overnight; he's a prime target for role-claiming, but in dying he will have at least helped you guys take one of the scum down However, that would leave one mafia versus two town in the day phase; fifty-fifty chance of winning the game for town then, not so good.
And the worst case scenario would be if both Thermal and someone else are actually scum, whereby it's tantamount to mafia victory if you get this wrong.
Four possibilities at this point. I'd still wait to hear from Methos first; there's some votes on him, that's enough pressure, let's see his response.
Right now Methos is the biggest barrier we have, I know you can't see this, but should he manage to change your points of views whilst I'm not here I dread the consequence.
Just remember he doesn't want to be lynched so don't allow yourselves to be deceived easily, we need justifications for vote changes.
Centurion1
03-02-2010, 03:11
i think there are going to be one mafia.
i know for a fact there a few vanilla townies.
if tm is lying hes screwed.
Do not close your mind to the possibility that there may be a second mafia.
Constant vigilance.
Centurion1
03-02-2010, 03:27
either way.
there are a few paths that can occur
TM is lying
TM is telling the truth but Methos was a roleblocker or something
TM is telling the truth and Methos is Mafia.
if TM is lying then we know our scum if its not too late.
if Methos is mafia and there is another we are defintely closer.
if TM is just mistaken as to what methos's purposes were we have an issue
if we dont listen to TM then it could backfire and we could waste a key lynch.
For once I get an interesting role and someone goes and screws it up. No, I'm not mafia and I'd prefer not to say just yet, as I don't see the reason for it. I must ask TM though, why scan me and not one of the good players? I guess I should be thankful.
Yaropolk
03-02-2010, 15:39
Methos - it's now or never. You won't get by with "hey guys give me another day to prove myself" in a 7 person mafia. We only have a few rounds total.
Pressure vote Methos to pony up with a real reason not to lynch him.
They have a point, Methos; you're going to have to reveal; there's five of you left, this lynch could change the game.
Think about it. :3
I'm a role blocker, but I was afraid to admit it since atpg was talking about releasing his results. I don't see how any of you would believe me after what he implied. Part of my goal is to locate the true mafia guy, who's name is Edgar. I have no idea who he is, except that his master (correct term?) recently died and left all her money to her cats.
You let me live and I'll role block whomever you want me to. BTW, how come TM only saw me? Was it because you were just watching me?
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2010, 16:44
If I can, I'd like to say I was intentionally trying not to imply anything, and I ask that all living players disregard everything I have said since I died, because I do not want to be interpreted, let alone misinterpreted. I had to say I was leaving the game and I meant to be as neutral as possible in my wording.
Part of my goal is to locate the true mafia guy, who's name is Edgar. I have no idea who he is, except that his master (correct term?) recently died and left all her money to her cats.
This totally makes sense; considering that I was a butler from the TinTin comics, I can believe this claim.
This 'Edgar' is the butler from the 1970 animated Disney film, The Aristocats. He is under the employ of Madame Bonfamille, who tells him that upon her death she will leave her estate to her four cats; Duchess, Toulouse, Marie and Berlioz. Thus Edgar goes about removing the cats from Madame's life so that he can be the sole benefactor of her will.
In this case, we can assume Madame died, and Edgar has gone a little nutty from not getting a penny of her estate... and thus he's going on a murderous rampage of the butlers.
I was a huge Disney fan in my youth. ¬_¬
Yaropolk
03-02-2010, 17:01
If I can, I'd like to say I was intentionally trying not to imply anything, and I ask that all living players disregard everything I have said since I died, because I do not want to be interpreted, let alone misinterpreted. I had to say I was leaving the game and I meant to be as neutral as possible in my wording.
Hmphh....so if I interpret ATPG's statement correctly...:laugh4:
Unvote Methos I'd like to hear TM's rebuttal.
For now, I'm going to Vote: No Lynch.
Since this is a far side mafia, the killer is obviously the baddest cow in the world! (http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/worlds-largest-horns.html)
Oddly, after my post admitting that I was in fact in Pizza's room, I got a PM from Yaro with this link again. At first I just ignored in, but I'm beginning to think its some sort of handshake. I realize he just removed his accusation against me, but I'm starting to think he is in fact the murderer Edgar! Why in the world would he pm me with just this odd link?
Unvote/Vote: Yaropolk
I'm still happy to take the risk (though unhappy with the possible consequence :sweatdrop: ).
Methos, I am a tracker, so yes it was only you I could see, I targeted you because when looking on the player list and seeing the boisterous characters, you stuck out as a saw thumb as a org active player which has remained silent in this game, I got bad vibes, don't start the why would you pick me thing, I know your an experienced player, you were hardly going to make yourself stick out (I don't think).
Centurion points out that you could be a power role, but the likelihood of one target being targeted many times seems unlikely, though it is ATPG were talking about, who is a magnet in himself...the results told me you entered his room, either way that sounds rather shady, in my books. In addition, I don't think Subotan would have put too many power roles in, apparently there are some confirmed vanilla townies, I don't think town would have more roles than tracker and investigator, unless god forbid, there are 2 mafia.
Vote sticks, we need to find out your allegiance either way. Given the shroud of doubt around my results I know its not 100%, but its a solid lead this round.
Methos, I am a tracker, so yes it was only you I could see, I targeted you because when looking on the player list and seeing the boisterous characters, you stuck out as a saw thumb as a org active player which has remained silent in this game, I got bad vibes, don't start the why would you pick me thing, I know your an experienced player, you were hardly going to make yourself stick out (I don't think).
You just lied, as anyone can tell I've been quiet in every game I've played in. I'm playing no differently then I normally do.
Vote sticks, we need to find out your allegiance either way. Given the shroud of doubt around my results I know its not 100%, but its a solid lead this round.
So you're saying that you're willing to kill a town-friendly power role just to check? You said it yourself, ATPG always gets targeted, hence the reason I went after him. I've already told you the mafia is, or at least who my PM implies it is. Besides, you know as well as I do that tonight the mafia are going to kill me anyway. I'm not the type of character they want alive, so why not kill my suspicious choice of Yaro?
You all play rather odd.
Let me get this straight, TM accuses me of being in Pizza's room and I agree to it. You all question as to why and I reply. I've given you all the answers you asked for and I not only state that TM is being truthful, but that he's a pro-townie, yet all of you ignore me. Why is that? What's the point in replying to anything if I'm basically ignored.
I get the impression the .org site is cliquish and if you're not in the "in" crowd, then you don't matter. How long do I have to play at the .org before I am talked to or listened to? At this point, I'm wondering why I even bother.
Let me get this straight, TM accuses me of being in Pizza's room and I agree to it. You all question as to why and I reply. I've given you all the answers you asked for and I not only state that TM is being truthful, but that he's a pro-townie, yet all of you ignore me. Why is that? What's the point in replying to anything if I'm basically ignored.
I get the impression the .org site is cliquish and if you're not in the "in" crowd, then you don't matter. How long do I have to play at the .org before I am talked to or listened to? At this point, I'm wondering why I even bother.
I know that my two cents probably don't count for anything, because... well, I'm dead, but honestly... I would point the finger at Yaropolk myself, and that is honestly where I would have voted had I survived to this phase.
His last minute vote-change from no lynch onto me seemed a little scummy, like a means of getting rid of a townie early-on. Just my opinion, though.
Don't let things get you down; for what it is worth, I believe your claims to an extent, and that's better than not believing you at all. :3
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2010, 20:40
*The dead pizzaguy rises and gives Methos a hug*
Sorry, sometimes in some games people aren't as talkative is all. Which sucks, but what can you do?
We wuv you Methos.
That's what happens when people who talk too much like Pizza and I get killed, unfortunately. Things can get a little quiet.
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2010, 21:08
That's what happens when people who talk too much like Pizza and I get killed, unfortunately. Things can get a little quiet.
No kidding. And there's no Beskar in this game either.
No kidding. And there's no Beskar in this game either.
Hey I was trying to pull a Beskar
Centurion1
03-02-2010, 21:44
i still think we should trust tm.
my vote stays on methos.
Voting is now closed.
Just wait for me to write the write up.
After Askthepizzaguy's fatal battering, the butlers gathered in the parlour to unmask the crazed killer (For as everyone knows, the parlour is designed exactly for that kind of thing). The butlers had barely sat down into their lounge chairs when they heard Thermal Mercury shout:
"It's him! Methos! I followed him last night, and he went up to Askthepizzaguy's hotel room! Coincidence? I think NOT!"
The other butlers all snapped their heads around in tandem to glare at Methos.
"Pfft. I didn't kill him. I went up to his bedroom with some brandy to get him drunk, so he wouldn't go out and kill someone, as I thought he was the psychopath. I did just that, and left an hour later, with all his brains still in his head, mind you. Besides, how can you just trust Thermal Mercury's word that he followed me? He could be trying to trick you! Or maybe it's Yaropolk; shifty guy Yaropolk, look at that beard, he's obviously nuts. Ah, you all hate me, you've hated me since the beginning, you clique."
And so on. His silver tongue, although respected for the amount of accusations it could pump out, was not enough to save him. When the clock struck 10:45, Methos had a plurality of votes. Centurion1 stood up, and pulled a shiny, metal revolver out of his pocket.
"I picked this up off Askthepizaguy's body. I figured that he wouldn't need it anymore so..."
And with that, he squinted, put his left leg behind his right, and extended his arm, towards Methos, who was frozen in his seat. Centurion then said
"They say that revenge is a dish best served cold. Well, dinner is served."
And with that, he pulled the trigger, and Methos was gone.
Once the smoke had cleared, the butlers gathered around the huge corpse of Methos to find that:
Methos was Lurch
https://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n11/c_watson77/Lurch.jpg
He was mafia scum!
The gathered breathed a sigh of relief. But by no means was this end of the World Butler Convention, or of the killings that took place within. You could even say that this false illusion of security was...a red herring.
EDIT: Night will end in 12 hours-ish, if all those with night actions send me theirs soon, but it's too late for me to write another write up. Otherwise, night will end in 23 hours.
EDIT2: I only picked Centurion1 to kill Methos as he was the only one who had gone unmentioned in the write up. Don't read anything into it.
An interesting development. Perhaps the two evil butlers (Lurch and Edgar) are not allied with one another, a la Methos' An Unlikely Pair.
After the night phase, you can bet that we'll be down to one mafia and two town. It's close, but you can win it townies.
Bonne chance.
How was the write up? I was a bit unsure as to Methos' lynch scene, as I couldn't think of anything to match death by brandy or corkscrew, so I just had him shot. :shrug:
Oh, I enjoyed it; it was short, yet descriptive and to-the-point. It also has a tinge of Beskar's barbed jibes about it, like when Renata stated in Noblesse Oblige that nobody really contacted her, so Beskar posted in her final writeup that she was sat staring at her phonebook all day wondering why nobody called. Hahaha, very good job again, Subotan.
It has raised many questions, though. I still get the feeling that Edgar is the second mafia, and that a town victory is teetering in the balance even now. Keen to see how the remaining town cope and who is next to die.
Replying as if the result that you are mafia wasn't published
You just lied, as anyone can tell I've been quiet in every game I've played in. I'm playing no differently then I normally do.
I'll repeat, I looked on the list of players, your name, yes YOUR name stuck out, it sounds stupid, but I just had a really strong vibe it was you...
So you're saying that you're willing to kill a town-friendly power role just to check?
You weren't confirmed as town friendly, not by a long stretch, given that you are easily as likely a killer as a good guy, then yes it is worth the risk, if I was to pass up on the opportunity when you ended up being mafia I never could have redeemed myself.
Let me get this straight, TM accuses me of being in Pizza's room and I agree to it. You all question as to why and I reply. I've given you all the answers you asked for and I not only state that TM is being truthful, but that he's a pro-townie, yet all of you ignore me. Why is that? What's the point in replying to anything if I'm basically ignored.
Ok, you say my claim is truthful and that I'm a pro-townie, whilst agreeing to be in ATPG's room, why would that dissuade us from voting against you? I wasn't ignoring you, from what posts you did type I considered each carefully, but nothing could weave you out of a situation that looked pretty shady to say the least. Are you saying that should we find a good target we should ignore it? That, especially in a mini-mafia is not a good idea...
I get the impression the .org site is cliquish and if you're not in the "in" crowd, then you don't matter. How long do I have to play at the .org before I am talked to or listened to? At this point, I'm wondering why I even bother.
I'm not sure if you stand by this view or if it was an attempt to withdraw votes, if it was it was a dirty tactic, if not then, well I agree the games at the org are swayed easily, but each person is entitled to their own vote and their own point of view. I read your posts because I know they will be good, but that doesn't make you lynch immune.
----------
On another note, thank God for that! :balloon2:
Centurion1
03-03-2010, 02:27
god it feels god to be right.
i loved the write up because i was a total BA.
and im thinking yaro next.
*cyber five TM*
and im thinking yaro next.
You have to be 100% certain in the next day phase; it's going to be two town, one mafia, 50% chance of success.
If you get it wrong, you're going home in a box.
Centurion1
03-03-2010, 02:41
well i guess we see what tm finds out dont we.
but im still thinking yaro after his fail of the first phase hes been lying low.
Double A
03-03-2010, 03:25
I never have been.
However, I usually get investigated N1 in any game, and that gets tiresome. I officially hate investigator roles. How ironic.
If it makes you feel any better, I always wait until N2 to investigate you.
Yaropolk
03-03-2010, 04:21
I know that my two cents probably don't count for anything, because... well, I'm dead, but honestly... I would point the finger at Yaropolk myself, and that is honestly where I would have voted had I survived to this phase.
His last minute vote-change from no lynch onto me seemed a little scummy, like a means of getting rid of a townie early-on. Just my opinion, though.
I'd like to take this chance to defend mysel. I voted for you well in advance of the time limit, about 3 hours to be precise. You had plenty of time to save yourself, but you didn't for the same reason as why my vote wasnt scummy - you weren't supposed to be in the lead and be lynched. As for Menthos, he was just trying to dump guilt off on someone else before he got lynched, I did not PM him.
I'd like to take this chance to defend mysel. I voted for you well in advance of the time limit, about 3 hours to be precise.
I just checked to be certain, seems that you posted that a good two hours before the write-up, so I did have time for a rebuttal, if I hadn't been shopping for clothes in town, hehe. However, there was no way I could have saved myself anyway; what would I have done? There were more votes for no lynch than on me and I still died! :P
As for Methos, he was just trying to dump guilt off on someone else before he got lynched, I did not PM him.
I can buy that, I guess; mafia's gotta say what he's gotta say.
I'm not sure if you stand by this view or if it was an attempt to withdraw votes, if it was it was a dirty tactic,
:curtain:
:curtain:
Tut tut, at least I know not to take your tantrums seriously in the future. :rolleyes: :smartass2:
Tut tut, at least I know not to take your tantrums seriously in the future. :rolleyes: :smartass2:
What's worse, is that in order to sell it I had to post in the d20 thread too. I felt bad doing it, but I was hoping it would help sway you all. I'm curious, are you all that indifferent, or was it too obvious, or was just nobody online?
What's worse, is that in order to sell it I had to post in the d20 thread too. I felt bad doing it, but I was hoping it would help sway you all. I'm curious, are you all that indifferent, or was it too obvious, or was just nobody online?
I was going to comment, but I felt it would be inappropriate to do as the game host. Good to see that you were trollin' though.
And I felt that my comments carried little weight because I'm totally dead. :P
Askthepizzaguy
03-03-2010, 20:39
What's worse, is that in order to sell it I had to post in the d20 thread too. I felt bad doing it, but I was hoping it would help sway you all. I'm curious, are you all that indifferent, or was it too obvious, or was just nobody online?
It's not an uncommon reaction when the chips are down to react emotionally. Although this is the first we'd seen it from you, it wasn't that different from the norm when it happens here.
What's worse, is that in order to sell it I had to post in the d20 thread too. I felt bad doing it, but I was hoping it would help sway you all. I'm curious, are you all that indifferent, or was it too obvious, or was just nobody online?
Had I been online before the write up going up, I seriously would have been sceptical of your alignment, but by then you already had to many votes anyway.
It's not an uncommon reaction when the chips are down to react emotionally. Although this is the first we'd seen it from you, it wasn't that different from the norm when it happens here.
You know that better than most, Switzerland.
Askthepizzaguy
03-03-2010, 20:58
You know that better than most, Switzerland.
?
Where did that come from? :inquisitive:
?
Where did that come from? :inquisitive:
I was referring to my breakdown in TYW.
Askthepizzaguy
03-03-2010, 21:00
I was referring to my breakdown in TYW.
Ah, ok. Just checking, was honestly confused.
Centurion1
03-03-2010, 22:45
ah subotans break donw of the ages. clever trick or is he really that infuriating.
i for one didnt believe it and if it was true it would have been rather ridiculous.
Askthepizzaguy
03-03-2010, 22:54
Well I don't know. I honestly was putting a lot of pressure on him. I was wrenching the whole "he attacked me first" to ludicrous extremes, all for selfish reasons. I was getting pity help from several nations, and major help from my allies. Then I negotiated a plan where France would get attacked by 3 nations, financially backed by 7 or more, and then was in negotiations for Netherlands and Saxony to join in and was getting mercenaries from players left and right. Financially, diplomatically, militarily, France was getting pounced on merely for exercising their wish to go to war over a dispute with Switzerland, and I was rather merciless with the pressure. I made absolutely sure (I thought) that France had no friends, and if they did, I had many many more. Then I hid my actual financial status, which was rich due to all those gifts, and still claimed to be too poor to end the war without massive reparations and land as well. Not all of that was undeserved, mind you, but instead of an "eye for an eye", I was absolutely going for the throat, and pretending to be morally decent all at the same time. I even got help from both the Ottomans and the Holy Roman Empire, who were at war with each other, and I was spying on both of them for each other respectively. I wasn't even being KIND to my allies.
Don't cry for me, I'm absolutely merciless. But I will still try to guilt trip you even so. I'm just very happy that Subotan and I see that it's all in-game and meant to be in good fun. Isn't it more satisfying to defeat someone who's giving you the best evil that he can be?
Centurion1
03-03-2010, 22:58
lol id be mad if i didnt end up turning on you with britian with a massive army ready to blitz your northern border the next turn.
and i mean a massive army hidden in a fort.
ah subotans break donw of the ages. clever trick or is he really that infuriating.
i for one didnt believe it and if it was true it would have been rather ridiculous.
It was. I actually cracked temporarily, and not just due to ATPG's pressure, but the fact that everyone was believing him. Particularly over the "Omg France is a bully for wanting to create a Kingdom of Umbria", which was from a third party view a generous offer once it had been watered down.
Well I don't know. I honestly was putting a lot of pressure on him. I was wrenching the whole "he attacked me first" to ludicrous extremes, all for selfish reasons.
I KNEW IT! I KNEW KNEW KNEW KNEW IT!
Don't cry for me, I'm absolutely merciless. But I will still try to guilt trip you even so. I'm just very happy that Subotan and I see that it's all in-game and meant to be in good fun. Isn't it more satisfying to defeat someone who's giving you the best evil that he can be?
I eventually did calm down, and realised that it was all in jest, yes. :bow:
When the butlers woke up the next morning, they padded downstairs in their pyjamas and slippers to the dining hall to identify the latest victim, as well as have a tasty breakfast. Thermal Mercury was down first, and whilst anxiously waiting for the others, he slopped some porridge into a fine china bowl and started to munch his breakfast (Yes, you can munch porridge, if you're a noisy eater). Then, Double A entered the dining room, who upon seeing the breakfast table, immediately piled his plate high with a meat feast. Centurion1 was next, and he was content just to have some fruit salad and orange juice. Then, Yaropolk strode into the room. He had a delicious croissant.
What? You can't expect fantastical death scenes all the time, especially when no-one was killed during the night.
The butlers sighed when they realised that they were all alive, for at least another day. However, the threat of "Edgar" remained, and so it was necessary to continue the discussion, and eventually dispatch the last threat to the group.
Day ends at 22:30 GMT.
Wow, the remaining mafia is playing it very close... thus far we've had Day 1 (Secura 'lynched'), Night 1 (Pizza killed), Day 2 (Methos lynched) and Night 2 (no kill).
That's four phases total... seven-man games usually have five, six at the very most. The next phase will be night, and it will probably be the last phase due to the 120 hour limitations of mini-games.
In short, if you don't catch the mafia out during this Day Phase, it's game over.
I don't think anyone is going to enforce the 120 hour rule, especially when we're this close to finishing. That rule is more of a guidline for potential players.
Bah, you ruined my suspense! D:
There is progress, but it is horribly slow, I would urge everyone to choose no lynch this round.
---------------
Wait, what am i talking about, ignore that
Hmmm,
vote: double a
Double A
03-04-2010, 06:59
:curtain:
Hey, you're not Beefy!
Yaropolk
03-04-2010, 15:38
My paranoia is telling me that centurion is jumped on me at the same time is methos, whatever that's worth. However I'll go with TM's suspicion and vote: double a. If I split up the vote, it will let the mafia pick and choose the lynch target.
unvote
vote: centurion
You might be right Yaropolk, but with no leads It seems stupid to bandwagon someone, I will be here to change my vote at the last second if need be. I am going to tie it up.
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 21:39
My paranoia is telling me that centurion is jumped on me at the same time is methos, whatever that's worth. However I'll go with TM's suspicion and vote: double a. If I split up the vote, it will let the mafia pick and choose the lynch target.
um no i was the most ardent defender of tm and i voted for methos that ENTIRE phase.
tm your vote is looking rather weird as a result.
Vote: yaropolk
um no i was the most ardent defender of tm and i voted for methos that ENTIRE phase.
tm your vote is looking rather weird as a result.
Vote: yaropolk
Yaropolk claimed to be a doctor, I tracked him, he went to my room, there were no deaths, that makes me trust him a lot more...
p.s : He didn't want me to publicize this, but at this point in the game it is very relevant, by the time mafia killed him and me they would have lost, I would assume...lol... (unless its all a farce and he told subotan to say a certain thing to me? )
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 21:50
well how am i supposed to know that.
unvote ; vote: double a
he has been rather quiet this game.
i tihnk if tm is correct (and i dont see why he would lie in any case it matters not who gets lynched) we have our mafia.
well how am i supposed to know that.
You weren't :bow: I decided to say whilst it was still helpful.
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 22:22
if tm isnt lying and i see no reaosn why he should be and i dont think subotan would break the game by letting yaro go to the room and not do anything i believe we have our scum.
Double A
03-04-2010, 22:28
well how am i supposed to know that.
unvote ; vote: double a
he has been rather quiet this game.
i tihnk if tm is correct (and i dont see why he would lie in any case it matters not who gets lynched) we have our mafia.
Yeah you're right, I have been rather quiet this game. The better my role the more involved I am. Usually.
Double A
03-04-2010, 22:32
What's the tally?
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 22:34
you are up by two.
Double A
03-04-2010, 22:37
Well, given that when I die the game's over, I'm gonna go ahead and vote: myself in spite of everyone else.
What's the tally?
Double A - 2: Yaropolk, Centurion1
Centurion1 - 2: Thermal Mercury, Double A
Double A
03-04-2010, 22:43
Eh whatever, Cent's usually guilty anyway.
unvote, vote: Cent
Curiouser and curiouser...
I thought it might turn out like this, I will be watching this game very closely until the round ends.... :sweatdrop:
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 23:12
um i would recommend changing your vote TM.
im leaving the thread to go the backroom ill check back later.
um i would recommend changing your vote TM.
im leaving the thread to go the backroom ill check back later.
I trust you both equally, so this seems fair to me.
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 23:20
you should trust me more, i voted for methos the entire time and i basically defended your claim. double a did not and he also has been very quiet i have talked much more.
you should trust me more, i voted for methos the entire time and i basically defended your claim. double a did not and he also has been very quiet i have talked much more.
Hmmm, well I don't see it that likely that he would let the mafia know each other, if you did it would be very....powered...
I see where your going though, I have 5 minutes to decide :grin:
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 23:25
when you posted that you had 6 actually. lol
when you posted that you had 6 actually. lol
It just seems convenient that you would claim these things, as if you were prepared for this day. If you thought you could buy my trust, then why wouldn't you trust me? Then kill me in the night?
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 23:29
no not really iwould have killed you and been done with it. im a very blunt mafia player. too lazy to develop ornate strategies, if imiss a phase its because i was lazy not some master plan
You telling me you wouldn't do something as mafia isn't all too convincing....maybe you tried to kill me? Not saying you did but given I think I was protected in the night your attempt could have failed.
OK, that's my choice, if its a tie there's a fair chance the right (or wrong) outcome will come.
:bow:
Eagerly await the results.
Centurion1
03-04-2010, 23:33
alright well its over then eh. guess i better fess up.
im a vanilla townie. jeez this keeps happening
alright well its over then eh. guess i better fess up.
im a vanilla townie. jeez this keeps happening
=l
Regardless of your role, either both of you die (which should be a win...)
neither die (no harm done)
one randomly dies (would be interesting)
we'll see...
The discussion dragged on throughout the day, and despite the decisiveness of the final outcome, the butlers seemed rather complacent about their possible fate. Thermal Mercury's sneaking around had given Yaropolk an alibi, leaving the axe hanging over both Centurion1 and Double A. Of the two, Centurion1 seemed the most resigned to his potential fate, and whilst DoubleA dismissed the allegations against him, Centurion1 claimed that he was too lazy to be a mafia. Sensing this to be a typical mafia defence, the other butlers decided that he was "Edgar".
DoubleA started to unfasten his bowtie.
"You know, I couldn't do this damn thing up for twenty years. I finally learnt how to do so two weeks ago. I guess I should be thankful that instead of having a velcro bow tie, I now have one capable of garrotting you!"
He made motions to the others to grab and restrain the panicking Centurion1. DoubleA then approached, and standing behind the struggling butler, strangled Centurion1 to death with a polka dot tie.
When the deed was done, a thorough inspection of the corpse with the bulging eyes revealed that:
Centurion1 was James Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Remains_of_the_Day)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/4/8/1239191694693/Anthony-Hopkins-in-Remain-001.jpg
He was a townie!
(No that isn't Anthony Hopkins, what a ridiculous notion, Hopkins hadn't even been born in 1911)
Let's hope random.org goes the right way, then. :3
Double A
03-04-2010, 23:49
no not really iwould have killed you and been done with it. im a very blunt mafia player. too lazy to develop ornate strategies, if imiss a phase its because i was lazy not some master plan
I'm lazy too, but I at least try to form a strategy when I'm mafia.
alright well its over then eh. guess i better fess up.
im a vanilla townie. jeez this keeps happening
I'm a vanilla townie as well.
It would be quite funny if the true killer is Thermal or Yaropolk. Particularly the latter, who I have so readily accused from beyond the grave.
Whomsoever it is, you've played a good game. :3
Double A
03-04-2010, 23:57
Alright my money is on TM. He's semi-inactive usually, so that would explain the absence of a N2 kill.
Double A
03-05-2010, 00:01
Wait a sec... Yaro has the least posts in this thread, and the butler goal is to get the most posts.
So it's pretty even. Eh.
Alright my money is on TM. He's semi-inactive usually, so that would explain the absence of a N2 kill.
Only inactive when my internet is cut off, always thoroughly active on mini mafias. :bow:
I was also entirely active throughout that night, analyzing the thread may have helped your case here.
So it was Double A... the only way Yaropolk could be mafia is if he worked with the host (I think) which would be naughty :tongue:
Sorry Centurion, I had convinced myself if was you until the round was announced over... hmm
This is probably going to end badly, Double A would need to mess up badly to not win now.
Overall though, even with your claims centurion, I still saw it as feasible mafia behavior, just a bad call on my part (and bad luck given that it was a tie and you were the one who died...) :shame: .
The butlers were stunned. How could he be innocent? All the signs had pointed to Centurion1 being mafia! DoubleA started gibbering in terror, knowing that he was now the most likely suspect.
Thermal Mercury raised an eyebrow. If DoubleA wasn't mafia, as he repeatedly kept saying, and if he himself wasn't mafia, then...
Both of them turned to the grinning Yaropolk. Thermal Mercury began to raise an arm to accuse the bearded menace, when a searing pain in his stomach caused him to fall his knees.
"Agh! What the-"
Yaropolk threw back his furry head and laughed.
"You fell for it! You saw the bait and swallowed it all down; literally! I poisoned your porridge last night when I visited your room, making porridge even more inedible than it already is! Bwahahaha!"
Thermal Mercury could only hear Yaropolk in the distance, as the faint hiss of his internal organs dissolving had his full attention, and it was not long before his vital organs shut down and Thermal Mercury was no more. From the melting shell, the two remaining butlers could deduce that
Thermal Mercury was Alfred Pennyworth
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/Batman/images/thumb/4/41/Alfred_%28The_Batman%29.jpg/250px-Alfred_%28The_Batman%29.jpg
He was the tracker!
That left just DoubleA and Yaropolk.
Understandably, DoubleA started making moves towards an escape
"So Yaropolk, you always knew I liked you best, eh? So I'll be just leaving now, alive, if you're feelin' OK with that?"
"Feelin'? Feeline? FELINE? ARRRGH"
Yaropolk pulled the cutlery drawer out of the cabinet at the side of the room, and span around to face DoubleA with a glint in his eye and a fish knife in each hand.
"MAKE ME CUT UP TUNA EVERY DAY FOR YOUR STUPID MOGGY, WILL YOU MISTRESS? WELL WATCH ME PREPARE THIS TUNA!"
And with that, he roared, and set himself upon the helpless DoubleA, who went down in history as the only person in history to be torn to pieces by a pair of fish knives. In the mess that followed it could be determined from the dental records that:
DoubleA was Jeeves
http://www.techdigest.tv/assets_c/2009/04/jeeves-thumb-238x279-86765.jpg
He was just a townie!
This left Yaropolk in the centre of the ballroom, covered and blood and cackling to himself, the butler triumphant! For Yaropolk was in fact:
Yaropolk was Edgar
https://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8238/edgarle2.jpg
He was the poisoner!
Now, with all cat lovers vanquished, and the prize of Best British Butler (Awarded by himself, no less), Edgar was well placed to become the most powerful servant that the world had ever seen!
Yaropolk
03-05-2010, 00:23
Wait a sec... Yaro has the least posts in this thread, and the butler goal is to get the most posts.
So it's pretty even. Eh.
Chatty butlers have a habit of dying. I plan to claim the prize by living to the end.
Double A
03-05-2010, 00:23
There was a kill N1 right Thermal?
I haven't sent any orders in all game, Mr. Mafioso :tongue:
I flippin' KNEW it!
I had been pointing the finger all along, and I knew it!
Very well played, Yaropolk... it was most unfortunate that I was 'lynched'.
Double A
03-05-2010, 00:39
At who and which finger?
With my right hand's index finger, of course! I'd been suggesting Yaropolk as mafia since my 'lynch', and even when he argued against it, I didn't believe him.
I'll concede that I never suspected Methos, though.
So, mafia victory. Congratulations Methos and Yaropolk.
Yaropolk - Edgar (Mafia - Poisoner)
Cats. Pussies. Felines. Regardless of what anyone calls them, you hate them, and not just because you have terrible allergies. You detest the way they lick all over their bodies, their cruelty to other animals and their downright laziness. Most of all, you hate it when crazy old ladies such as your late Mistress leave their entire fortune to their cats, leaving you with the cutlery set and some ghastly paintings done by her cats. You came to the convention seeking new employment, but it appears that cat-loving is now a requirement of butlering today. Every pompous twit who needs a butler invariably has cats, meaning that you are unable to be employed by them. So, you have hit upon a cunning plan. If all the butlers who like cats are dead, the Aristocrats will be forced to dump their Aristocats to employ you and all the other cat haters.
Using your knowledge of rat poison as your primary weapon, you earlier in the day spiked Subotan's whiskey with RODENT-B-GONE, only to have him conveniently be crushed by two tons of glass. You figured that that must be the work of Lurch (Of Addams family fame), another disgruntled butler and fellow cat eater. It may be wise to team up with him, and leave subtle clues to indicate that you are not a threat to him, and so that you don't dispatch each other during the night.
Abilities - PM me at night to pick a target to bump off. The target will not die that night, but will die the next, as the poison takes some time to work it's magic.
Victory conditions - Standard mafia victory with or without Lurch.
Methos - Lurch (Mafia)
You're everybody's favourite Frankenstein monster, a loyal servant of the Addams family and a hard working, if slow-witted butler. However, at the Convention, the very attributes that make you such a respected member of the family back home are the subject of taunting by the other human butlers. Your tendency to grunt rather than speak, your inability to taste wine, and your big feet have all ben mocked by the other, weak butlers. The ultimate humiliation was when Mr. Subotan went over to shake your hand, and ripped it right off. Although it was soon repaired, the damage to your dignity was not, and you resolved to get your revenge on these upstart little pipsqueaks.
You are aware that Edgar, the now impoverished butler after his mistress left her entire fortune to her cats, is also on the warpath, so it would be wise for you to look out for him, and perhaps leave subtle leave clues for each other, so you don't accidentally kill each other during the night.
Abilities - PM me at night to pick a target to bump off.
Victory conditions - Standard mafia victory with or without Edgar.
ATPG - Inspector Collings (Cop)
You are the only non-Butler present at the Convention. You find all the "penguins" milling around to be somewhat irritating, and you'd prefer it if you could just knuckle down and get your job done. However, thanks to the strings pulled by the various masters of the butlers, desperate to have their personal butler win the "Best British Butler" prize, the Convention has continued despite the killing, with surely terrible consequences. Nevertheless, you will try to find out the identity of the killer of Subotan, and bring him to justice, regardless of whoever stands in your way.
Abilities - Pm me at night to investigate someone, and find out their affiliation.
Victory Conditions - Town victory
TM - Alfred Pennyworth (Tracker)
You are the Butler of the young master Bruce Wayne, the heir to the fantastically wealthy Gotham City based dynasty. Bruce Wayne is totally devoted to his company, Wayne Industries, which is currently developing a new steam engine called the Bat-locomotive. You know any allegations that young master Wayne dresses up as a bat to prowl the city at night are totally unfounded, that there is no huge cave under Wayne Manor filled with bats, and the notion that Wayne is obsessed with bats is completely false. After all, who knows the truth about the secret goings on of the young playboy more than his loyal, devoted and trusted butler?
You have been sent to the Convention by the young master Wayne to kill any such rumours. Unfortunately, it appears that more than just gossip is being killed in Pittsburgh, and you have realised that you have to help stop the mad killer. It is, after all, what the young master Wayne would do.
Abilities - Pm me at night to investigate someone. However, your skills are not that refined, as you are only able to follow people and see who they visit at night, and not what they were doing or their affiliation.
Victory conditions - Town victory
Secura - Nestor (Townie)
You have travelled all the way from faraway Belgium, Marlinspike Hall to be exact, to appear at the Convention. Whilst Tintin, Snowy and Captain Haddock are all the way over in China, smashing some Japanese opium cartel, you decided that you deserved a treat. You came to the World Butler Convention, to meet up with friends from Butler School, gossip about the master's alcoholism, and generally just let your hair down. However, the appearance of the killer has changed all that and you now fear for your life. Oh, how you wish Tintin was here, he'd know what to do...
Abilities - None. You're just a townie!
Victory Conditions - Town Victory
Cent - James Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_remains_of_the_day) (Townie)
The devoted servant of Lord Darlington, your whole life revolves around your service to your master. Your life prior to your service to Lord Darlington is irrelevant, and you make every effort to help him in his pro-German political endeavours. Driven to intense distraction by Miss Kenton, you have opted for a nice, semi-holiday at the World Butler Convention. Surrounded by fellow butlers, you have discussed all sorts of matters and had a wonderful time. That was, of course, until Mr. Subotan was killed. Now, you fear for you life, and it is becomingly increasingly unlikely that you will ever see Darlington Manor, your Lord or the rather quite lovely Miss Kenton ever again...
Abilities - None. You're just a townie!
Victory Conditions - Town Victory
Double A - Jeeves (Townie)
The stereotypical butler, you are quiet, diligent and loyal. Ever ready to pick out just the right wine for the master's steak, or organise the madam's tea party, your service has always been needed. Until now. The sleek, multi-coloured and "cool" Mr. G. Oogle has presented himself to the Web family, and they have taken him on as head butler, kicking you out! Determined to restore your place from this imposter, you have attended the World Butler Convention to win the "Best British Butler" prize, and so prove that you are better than this newcomer, despite his better search results. However, the killer on the loose has thrown all your plans into disarray, and now survival is a more important objective than winning the massive trophy.
Abilities - None. You're just a townie!
Victory Conditions - Town Victory. OPTIONAL: Win "Best British Butler" prize by contributing the most posts to the discussion in thread. Obviously, if you are killed, you are unable to win the prize.
The game was set up with three townies, a cop, a tracker, a normal mafia, and a poisoner. This could have a variety of outcomes, as the tracker was inherently weak against the poisoner, who killed the night after he sent the order in to me. I was hoping for a situation where the Cop was bumped off, and the town was having to rely on the tracker's info to sniff out the poisoner; which is exactly what happened. I actually cackled when random.org designated ATPG to be the cop, as I knew he would die immediately.
That said, the mafia were far from guaranteed victory. The mafia were able to operate independently if they wished, but I left notes in their PM's telling them that they should work together. They missed each others cues though (I don't think Methos laid any, although I think that was because I worded the pm badly), so they both sent me PM's telling me to kill ATPG! I got round that problem by having him killed by brandy, a consumable, and I left some really subtle clues in the write up (E.g. I said the brandy was a gift; gift in German means poison).
However, Methos was luckily tracked by TM who nailed him in the day phase (ATPG investigated TM; he was innocent, obviously). Whilst Methos' attempt to break free was impressive, it nearly cost the mafia the game, as he accused Yaropolk of being mafia, and he had the evidence to prove it. However, you townies seemed to forget about that when the next phase came along.
After that, Yaropolk had basically checkmated you. TM investigated Yaropolk, found him visiting his room (I spent ages trying to think how to word that PM as neutrally as possible), and concluded that he was a doctor, even though there was no previous evidence that he was. And, well, you know the rest.
I felt this game was really well balanced, as a few changes in the plan would have resulted in a totally different outcome. But both sides did really well considering the odds against both of them, and a hearty congratulations to everyone who took part. Thanks for playing.
And I finished the game early, as after the lynching of Cent a town victory was impossible, although technically the poisoning of TM should have happened tomorrow morning.
Double A
03-05-2010, 00:50
Wait a second... did Yaro poison either of us?
Because if he didn't, then we won. Maybe?
edit: wait nevermind, saw your post.
Couldn't I strangle him with my garrote tie?
Double A
03-05-2010, 00:57
Ah come on, my character's the forefather of the butler stereotype!
'Sides, Edgar got owned by a bunch of cats and a mouse.
His only weakness is cats. You have no cats. Ergo, he kills you, in a horrible, horrible fashion.
Double A
03-05-2010, 01:01
:sad:
I actually cackled when random.org designated ATPG to be the cop, as I knew he would die immediately.
I feel that's where the town came unstuck, really. No matter the game, people are just going to gravitate towards Pizza and investigate, roleblock or kill him. This, and my own 'lynch', stacked things against the town as they were basically two down by the second day phase. And as Pizza's reasoning showed, the three townies were always going to have alot of trouble taking two mafia down from there onwards.
However, you townies seemed to forget about that when the next phase came along.
I never fell for that personally, but I was dead, beyond saying "I suspect Yaropolk", there wasn't really much more I could contribute. My arguments weren't really going to carry much weight, and seemed largely ignored anyway.
I felt this game was really well balanced, as a few changes in the plan would have resulted in a totally different outcome. But both sides did really well considering the odds against both of them, and a hearty congratulations to everyone who took part.
I feel that the game was well balanced, to an extent. I feel that giving Pizza a role at the moment is tantamount to letting the opposite side win, and that while he keeps getting these roles, he's going to end up written out the game early on. I feel this is a shame, because games suffer when people like Pizza are killed/lynched.
Look at CDf's current Swords and D20s 3 game. Pizza was the main demon, and with him dead in the second day phase... well the town's basically won already. I'd have just made him a townie from the off and then randomised the other roles. In fairness, that's not really your fault, so don't worry too much about it.
I was also a bit 'meh' in regards to my lynch in the first round, but it happens. I can't honestly say that it would have changed the game (I may have suspected Yaropolk, but Methos went right below my radar), but who can say now?
I have to say that the poisoner idea, in that people targetted die on a later turn, was inspired, and is a feature I'd love to see more often. The roles looked fantastic (Jeeves! :D) and you'd clearly thought things through. I loved the writeups too. :3
Either way, I hope to see another mini-game from you in the future, I'll be certain to sign up.
Thanks. Looking back over it, a lot of the problems were circumstantial, such as your lynch (Sorry :shame:) and ATPG's position as the cop. Had those been different, it's impossible to say what the outcome might have been. I actually thought that there might be a double-bluff effect regarding ATPG, as people would think that there was no way someone like him could get another important role. It turns out I've actually spread Pizza Syndrome.
I have learnt from the mistakes and successes of my first game though (Which was the point of this game), and like I said, you're guaranteed a place anyway, due to my mess-up with the no lynch. And then, of course, there is ABZF in the summer...
Double A
03-05-2010, 01:16
Another Bad Zucking acromymF?
Both the lynch and Pizza's death aren't really your fault, there's no need to worry about them; they're just the aspects of the game that I feel changed everything. I blame the two mafia for targetting him straight away... :P
I look forward to ABZF too. :>
Double A
03-05-2010, 01:22
Oooooh explosions.
In.
Cunning Subotan, I like the idea of creating a role to combat my own, would happily join any of your future creations.
Well done for deceiving me Yaropolk... :shame:
Sorry town! I wasn't expecting anything as well, unexpected as that...
Yaropolk
03-05-2010, 01:44
Since this is a far side mafia, the killer is obviously the baddest cow in the world! (http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/worlds-largest-horns.html) Seriously though, ATPG's numbers are off a bit but he has the right idea. With 1 scum, the chance or randomly lynching him before the game is over is around 78%, and with 2 scum it's around 67%. The odds go up with pro town roles or if scum don't know each other.
Vote no lynch
For those who paid attention on day 1 and clicked on my link, you would have known that Lurch killed Subotan :idea2:
Double A
03-05-2010, 01:58
That really helps, considering we didn't know who Lurch was.
Yaropolk
03-05-2010, 02:12
You did after the lynch. And Methos should have definitely caught it, but alas no dice.
Another thing to add, if ATPG wasn't killed it would have been helpful as we could have worked together, mafia had unity where as we were all split from the starting blocks really. Very Good Game though.
Yaropolk
03-05-2010, 02:19
Methos and I never connected - thats why the double kill on ATPG on N1, and then he was lynched.
but I left notes in their PM's telling them that they should work together. They missed each others cues though (I don't think Methos laid any, although I think that was because I worded the pm badly),
I feel like an idiot. I went over the substance of my PM and the possible subtle clues, but missed the name of my character. I went up and down the link he posted trying to find anything regarding cats or the lost and reattachment of my hand. Man, I feel completely stupid.
The hilarious part, is no one else noticed it either after the lynch and my name was revealed.
The first day I wasn't sure what to leave as a clue, so I waited and came back later only to find the update had already happened. I'm used to CFC whereas the rule is no game posts during the night phase. After TM accused me I knew I was screwed and since typically everybody accused their accuser of lying, I decided to instead try a different tactic and agree to it and claim another role. Sometime around there Yaro sent me another PM about the cow and even though I missed the clue (my name) I figured he was telling me he was the other mafia. By that time I figured my role tactic wasn't working, so I accused Yaro and used the evidence in the thread. I figured if it worked, then I would look good as having caused the death of a mafia. I figured if it didn't, then I'd throw suspicion off Yaro, as it would appear like I was grasping for straws and chose Yaro due to an odd post.
I finally went with the dirty tactic of throwing a tantrum, which only caused me to toss out a couple PMs to non-players telling them to ignore it, as it was a play.
All in all, I did a horrible job this game. I must say I like the seven man games, as you have to pay closer attention to the posts. It was a fun game and I look forward to playing more. Too bad TM chose me that first night.
Regarding Pizza: I wasn't for sure who to kill that first night, especially knowing there was another mafia out there. I went with Pizza mainly because I thought it would keep suspicion off of me by doing so. Sorry Pizza.
Whilst Methos' attempt to break free was impressive, it nearly cost the mafia the game, as he accused Yaropolk of being mafia, and he had the evidence to prove it. However, you townies seemed to forget about that when the next phase came along.
As I mentioned above, Yaro worked either way for me. I honestly wasn't for sure if Yaro didn't have a goal to kill me, so I wasn't too worried if I did take him down in order to save myself.
Askthepizzaguy
03-05-2010, 13:31
Meh, the mini-games aren't so bad. I don't know why the mafia would ever leave me alive in a mini-game except to make the town think I am guilty.
Don't worry about it so much, Methos and Yaropolk; like I say as long as it quits happening every game or every other game when there's at least a half-dozen to several dozen other players who are also valid candidates.
Centurion1
03-05-2010, 22:17
good game subotan i never saw a poisoner coming. i originally suspected yaro but i never thought of something like that.
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.