Help on IB History Coursework needed!

[Jormungand]

I'm studying History for the International Baccalaureate Diploma; for my Internal Assessment (coursework) I've picked a research question in my favourite area of history :laugh4:

The research question is:
"To what extent did the structure of command differ in the Roman and Hellenistic systems of warfare?"

Knowing some of you guys are real experts/historians/academics, could you give me some advice on whether there are any particular Hellenistic sources and examples I could use. I know there are a lot describing the Roman command structure, but I need something to contrast it with or the whole question falls apart.

Thanks in advance,

G

[geala]

I'm not an expert, so wait for further posts. Only some hints: Unfortunately Polybios treatise about the phalanx is lost. In his history you can find only a few remarks. From later times there are some tactical manuals about phalanx warfare, I've only read so far in the "Taktika" from Asklepiodotos (1st c. BC). Some aspects of the command structure are mentioned there.

[shootie]

I'm studying History for the International Baccalaureate Diploma; for my Internal Assessment (coursework) I've picked a research question in my favourite area of history :laugh4:

The research question is:
"To what extent did the structure of command differ in the Roman and Hellenistic systems of warfare?"

Knowing some of you guys are real experts/historians/academics, could you give me some advice on whether there are any particular Hellenistic sources and examples I could use. I know there are a lot describing the Roman command structure, but I need something to contrast it with or the whole question falls apart.

Thanks in advance,

G

Well, ill try help you out.

Roman commanders were smarter than Hellenistic, I say this as they knew how to use a victory and diplomacy. Whereas Hellenistic powers were always struggling, always seemed to be at war. The Phalanx tactics used, well the most known one is Alexnader's "Hammer And Anvil" Where he would pin the infantry of the enemy on the pikes and attempt to flank with Cavalry/Peltasts. Roman tactics were a bit more well thought out and orginised, leaving gaps in their army for their light troops to fall back into on approach of the enemy. And in early Roman Times, they had the Hastati and Principes, where when the Hastati were tired and had worn out the enemy. The Principes would come in, fresh and more experienced.

So all in all Roman Commanders were more smarter than Hellenistic, maybe this could be with the various cultures that appeared in Hellenistic (Especially Sucessor states) armies and it was harder to sort out a army.

Probably a poor answer but thats all I can think of to help you out ;)

1st post btw hello people :D

[fraoula]

Well, ill try help you out.

Roman commanders were smarter than Hellenistic, I say this as they knew how to use a victory and diplomacy. Whereas Hellenistic powers were always struggling, always seemed to be at war. The Phalanx tactics used, well the most known one is Alexnader's "Hammer And Anvil" Where he would pin the infantry of the enemy on the pikes and attempt to flank with Cavalry/Peltasts. Roman tactics were a bit more well thought out and orginised, leaving gaps in their army for their light troops to fall back into on approach of the enemy. And in early Roman Times, they had the Hastati and Principes, where when the Hastati were tired and had worn out the enemy. The Principes would come in, fresh and more experienced.

So all in all Roman Commanders were more smarter than Hellenistic, maybe this could be with the various cultures that appeared in Hellenistic (Especially Sucessor states) armies and it was harder to sort out a army.

Probably a poor answer but thats all I can think of to help you out ;)

1st post btw hello people :D

First of all welcome to the community.
I think he might be searching for something a bit more "intelectual" than that (no offence).
I' d reccomend Goldsworthy for Roman tactics though many of you will disagree.

This is from Polybius http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/polybius-maniple.html by the way.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I don't know - but maybe this might point you in the direction of useful books?

http://www.questia.com/library/history/military-history/warfare-in-the-ancient-world.jsp

[shootie]

First of all welcome to the community.
I think he might be searching for something a bit more "intelectual" than that (no offence).
I' d reccomend Goldsworthy for Roman tactics though many of you will disagree.

This is from Polybius http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/polybius-maniple.html by the way.

As I said, probably a poor answer, trying to help a guy in need you know ;)

[Ludens]

First of all welcome to the community.
I think he might be searching for something a bit more "intelectual" than that (no offence).

:yes: Let's not turn this into another phalanx vs. legion debate.

Shootie, welcome to the .Org and to EB.
~:wave:

[ARCHIPPOS]

I've picked a research question in my favourite area of history :laugh4:
The research question is:
"To what extent did the structure of command differ in the Roman and Hellenistic systems of warfare?"


You've picked an amazingly interesting topic. Unfortunately i can't offer you any specialised guidance :no: as my readings on ancient history are more or less general and circumstancial .However i am of the suggestion that you should perhaps narrow your analysis to a very specific period/era. If i were you i'ld focus on a particular war (Romans vs X) because "Roman" and "Hellenistic" history are quite extensive and you'll be soon overcome by the sheer bulk of bibliography (frankly you'll meet chaos)... ermmmm, do you have an assigned supervisor on this project ???

[vartan]

Does Cynoscephalae (http://www.livius.org/ct-cz/cynoscephalae/cynoscephalae.html) fire your tastebuds? It's an interesting one to look into, I believe.

[Gabeed]

Does Cynoscephalae (http://www.livius.org/ct-cz/cynoscephalae/cynoscephalae.html) fire your tastebuds? It's an interesting one to look into, I believe.

I was thinking of Cynoscephalae as well when I read the essay question. One important thing of note (which will no doubt come up should you research the battle more) that the above article only touched on is that the decentralization of Roman command leadership was a big advantage, and furthered the Roman legions' flexible nature.

[johnhughthom]

Soldiers & Ghosts by JE Lendon is an excellent read, split into Greek and Roman sections which should let you compare and contrast.


I'd reccomend Goldsworthy for Roman tactics though many of you will disagree.

Seconded.