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Renata

03-31-2010, 01:39

Uh..... explain it to me. From where I sit, it made no logical sense whatsoever. But I'm trying to understand it.

This was in response to me saying the following comments from CB deserved attention especially given he might be a Turk:

Simple say you were a part of a group of 4 townies any kill done will use "townie" weapons and not the turkish crossbow.

As for the second comment say that there are 3 turks. Two of them could be going around doing the other kills whilst you worked with townies to give you an alibi.

CB was arguing that you could be a Turk based on these two things. First, that if you were killing as a townie in a group with actual townies, or using your original ability rather than whatever being recruited gives you, you might be allowed to use your original "townie" weapons rather than the signature crossbows. Second, that being recorded as having done something on a given night when the Turks were also active is not a sufficient defense, because they're only killing in groups of two -- any leftover members could do whatever else they wanted, in order to form an alibi.

I happen to think these things don't apply well to you personally. But they do apply to others. You know that, or you wouldn't have agreed to killing me. But sometimes the concept seems to be getting lost a little bit in the discussions that are going on.

As for me saying CB saying it gives it more weight, well, if he's a Turk them presumably he knows what they can and can't do and what strategies they're trying in order to hide themselves. Given it served (or so he thought) to cast doubt on you, odds are decent it's actually the truth.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 02:05

Vote: Jolt because a bunch of dead people are telling me to.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 02:12

Meh, I don't trust you. I had a couple groups try to recruit me to help kill you. I know how that makes me look but whatever. I'm just saying if I die soon, its probably because I know what Beskar is and since I have publicly said I know who he is, I need to die (from Mafia perspective). I wish I could actually do something to make sure I don't die but the only one I know for sure who is pro town and isn't dead is Beskar.

Actually, maybe i don't know if Beskar is pro town right now. I just know his starting role was pro town, he could have been recruited by Mafia by now for all I know. Meh.

So... You're asking me to not kill someone, who is making accusations about me and when pressed to actually reveal those accusations doesn't, whose role you said you could prove that is pro-town but you aren't really sure? :dizzy2:

There seems to be a great deal of people interested in killing me. Did they give you a reason?

So far there seems very little reason to attack me. I'm widely considered to be Pro-Town, and I don't really care about Noble Killers and Noble Guards, I don't care about Werewolves and Werewolf Killers. I don't give a darn either way. I suppose that is would be why I have been so measly attacked throughout the game. My main and only target are the Turks. They are the only ones who have a reason for attacking me.

As I said to Reenk "If you think it helps you, then sure go ahead." Reenk decided to take my advice and now he's making Winston company.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 02:14

Vote: Jolt because a bunch of dead people are telling me to.

Ooo. Fear. And what reasons are these dead people giving you for voting for me (Heck, I won't even mind if they are breaking the rules. I'm really curious.)?

Askthepizzaguy

03-31-2010, 02:17

Ooo. Fear. And what reasons are these dead people giving you for voting for me (Heck, I won't even mind if they are breaking the rules. I'm really curious.)?

I would mind if they are breaking the rules.

If people are going to do that I will quit right now in protest, because then there's no challenge.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 02:20

I would mind if they are breaking the rules.

If people are going to do that I will quit right now in protest, because then there's no challenge.

Well, chances are that they are Secura, Reenk & friends.

Like Beskar, I don't think he's going to reveal who is convincing him to vote for me.

EDIT: If anyone is convincing him to vote for me, that is.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 02:44

So... You're asking me to not kill someone, who is making accusations about me and when pressed to actually reveal those acusations doesn't, whose role you said you could prove that is pro-town but you aren't really sure? :dizzy2:

There seems to be a great deal of people interested in killing me. Did they give you a reason?

So far there seems very little reason to attack me. I'm widely considered to be Pro-Town, and I don't really care about Noble Killers and Noble Guards, I don't care about Werewolves and Werewolf Killers. I don't give a damn either way. I suppose that is would be why I have been so measely attacked throughout the game. My main and only target are the Turks. They are the only ones who have a reason for attacking me.

As I said to Reenk "If you think it helps you, then sure go ahead." Reenk decided to take my advice and now he's making Winston company.

Don't deliberately misinterpret my words to make it seem as if i'm not making any sense. I have proof of Beskar's starting role, and it is pro town. But I dont know if he can be recruited by mafia so Im not sure if he still is pro town.

Their reason was that they were all dead because of you and write ups have shown they were innocent.

So did you just admit in a roundabout way that anyone (using Reenk as an example) that gets in your way will die? I don't even care if you are pro town, that is just annoying to me to the point that I really wouldnt help you if you asked.

Myrddraal

03-31-2010, 02:44

Woah!

How come everybody missed this:

-snip-
Last edited by Beskar; Yesterday at 18:55.

Two posts later (Yesterday 15:54):

I think Beskie is just a townie. Probably in his little own dream world wanting to feel special.:stare: how about answering Jolt instead.

and before i forget, unvote, vote: Captain Blackadder

Is it just me, or did Secura just forget that she was logged in as Beskar? Please explain this Bescura.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 02:47

I would mind if they are breaking the rules.

If people are going to do that I will quit right now in protest, because then there's no challenge.

As Reenk told me (which I agree with), there is no challenge or fun when people force others to reveal their role in public and put them in a spot where it is either reveal and get killed by mafia or dont reveal and get killed by manipulated, bandwagoning town members.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-31-2010, 02:47

@myrd: He'd switched to my avatar for a while there.

Askthepizzaguy

03-31-2010, 02:51

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 02:57

The difference is that one is a legal tactic where you basically have to suck it up if people do it or choose not to play, and the other is illegal and no one should stand for it.

Anything can be a legal tactic, all you have to do is change the law.

Crazed Rabbit

03-31-2010, 03:03

Voting closed.

I'm off to dinner, be back in a bit.

CR

White_eyes:D

03-31-2010, 03:03

Is ACIN breaking rules? because the host is god is these games....and if you break the rules you get WOG.

Secura

03-31-2010, 03:31

Is it just me, or did Secura just forget that she was logged in as Beskar? Please explain this Bescura.

Why, what are you trying to insinuate with this post?

I assume that he was trying to cause some mischief by posting as such and using Sasaki's avatar.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 03:34

Don't deliberately misinterpret my words to make it seem as if i'm not making any sense. I have proof of Beskar's starting role, and it is pro town. But I dont know if he can be recruited by mafia so Im not sure if he still is pro town.

Ok, let's simplify it. You specifically said not to kill Beskar as you could prove that he is Pro-Town, but in fact you can't. Is that it?

Their reason was that they were all dead because of you and write ups have shown they were innocent.

The reason they are dead is because they attacked me. That means that if they didn't attack me, then they wouldn't be dead. I didn't do anything for them to die. I didn't press a button or specifically asked for someone to die. It's like saying that if you shoot yourself in the head, it's the gun's fault because it was the gun that killed you and not your intention to kill yourself.

And where is it said that Reenk is innocent? I recall him revealing as a noble guard, then I was told that he had revealed himself privately as the "Champion of the Holy Roman Empire". And yet he was attacking with a crossbowmen that, from what I garnered, is suspected to be the Turk spies weaponry. So until his result comes out, I pretty much suspect he is one of the Turk spies or was converted to work for them.

So did you just admit in a roundabout way that anyone (using Reenk as an example) that gets in your way will die? I don't even care if you are pro town, that is just annoying to me to the point that I really wouldnt help you if you asked.

Nah. If it was everyone who got in my way, my character would have already scooped up 6 kills. I even got to know exactly all the members who attacked me the first time. Beskar was one of them too. Yet you didn't see me wanting Beskar on a pike until he accused me of something this day (Actually, might I add he even was one of the few people which supported me in not revealing, to which I can only applaud).

Reenk only got in my way the moment he attacked me. He had accused me of being Sasaki's grunt and protecting Sigurd. As like with Beskar, I'm still waiting for evidence on those accusations. Then he spoke of organizing a vig hit on me, to which I replied that I wouldn't mind it, if he thought it would help him.

Note, I didn't threaten Reenk with anything. He decided it was time to kill me and got an axe on his chest as result.

Thus why I said to you: If the people who invited you to try vig kill me, think that killing me (Or trying at least) will help them, then I welcome them to try.

So no, I don't kill anyone who stands in my way. And no worries. I do not want nor need your help.

TinCow

03-31-2010, 04:20

Anything can be a legal tactic, all you have to do is change the law.

You, sir, should be a lawyer. :2thumbsup:

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 04:57

Ok, let's simplify it. You specifically said not to kill Beskar as you could prove that he is Pro-Town, but in fact you can't. Is that it?
Depends on whether someone can tell me what roles are susceptible to being recruited by mafia. If his role is one can be recruited, then I can't prove it, if his role can't be recruited then yes I have proof.

The reason they are dead is because they attacked me. That means that if they didn't attack me, then they wouldn't be dead. I didn't do anything for them to die. I didn't press a button or specifically asked for someone to die. It's like saying that if you shoot yourself in the head, it's the gun's fault because it was the gun that killed you and not your intention to kill yourself.

And where is it said that Reenk is innocent? I recall him revealing as a noble guard, then I was told that he had revealed himself privately as the "Champion of the Holy Roman Empire". And yet he was attacking with a crossbowmen that, from what I garnered, is suspected to be the Turk spies weaponry. So until his result comes out, I pretty much suspect he is one of the Turk spies or was converted to work for them.
Am I missing something? Is there a chance that when you try to kill someone that it could backfire and you will die instead?

Nah. If it was everyone who got in my way, my character would have already scooped up 6 kills. I even got to know exactly all the members who attacked me the first time. Beskar was one of them too. Yet you didn't see me wanting Beskar on a pike until he accused me of something this day (Actually, might I add he even was one of the few people which supported me in not revealing, to which I can only applaud).

Reenk only got in my way the moment he attacked me. He had accused me of being Sasaki's grunt and protecting Sigurd. As like with Beskar, I'm still waiting for evidence on those accusations. Then he spoke of organizing a vig hit on me, to which I replied that I wouldn't mind it, if he thought it would help him.

Note, I didn't threaten Reenk with anything. He decided it was time to kill me and got an axe on his chest as result.

Thus why I said to you: If the people who invited you to try vig kill me, think that killing me (Or trying at least) will help them, then I welcome them to try.

So no, I don't kill anyone who stands in my way. And no worries. I do not want nor need your help.
Cool story bro.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 05:00

Is ACIN breaking rules? because the host is god is these games....and if you break the rules you get WOG.

I have sent him a private message about that.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 05:01

You, sir, should be a lawyer. :2thumbsup:

Thank you, but I don't have the optimism to undertake that career.

Reenk Roink

03-31-2010, 05:06

Again, I bring to the towns forefront the fact that if Jolt was pever's bodyguard, why is pever dead? And pever was dead early in the game. Great job Jolt, you're a superstar. :rolleyes:

The fact is Jolt, you're being incredibly dumb by associating me with Secura as a Turk when I was the one who actually attacked her first and then encouraged people to vote for her. Where did I attack with a crossbow or someone with a crossbow? Is this one of your "Reenk is attacking townies" bull crap, because only your lord and master Sasaki and his crew have been responsible for killing a ton of townies and soldiers and pro town roles. The only people I've attacked were you and Secura, and I tried to attack Sigurd who is probably evil.

And don't act all tough and crap, anyone can see you're obviously a pansy, not attacking at all and then taking all the credit of the snowflake that fell into my eye. :rolleyes:

Also Jolt quoted a role PM and should be Wog'd. :yes:

Crazed Rabbit

03-31-2010, 05:09

Discussion during the day was long, but the outcome seemed predetermined.

Captain Blackadder was declared to be suspicious, and the crowd lined up to vote for him.

His protestations came to nothing.

Gerard was filled with a grim anticipation as the crowd congratulated itself.

"I wonder if they can see what I see..." Gerard pondered as the people earnestly dragged Blackadder to the gallows.

"They'd have to be mad," smirked Hans, then after a glare from Gerard stammered, "That is, to see through your eyes would be, uh, unlikely?"

Blackadder said he was but a simple traveler and tried to break free, but could not.

"They seem to think they've got everything in hand. I hope they're right. But..." Gerard trailed off.

Hans smiled, "Whatever happens, it should be greatly entertaining."

The rope jerked and Blackadder fell, struggling.

Gerard left without saying anything. Not that the crowd would have listened anyway; they no longer looked to him for guidance.

It is now the night phase, which will last for 36 hours, until 9 am PST Thursday April 1.

Alive:
Beskar
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Methos

Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8

Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

Jolt

03-31-2010, 05:13

Depends on whether someone can tell me what roles are susceptible to being recruited by mafia. If his role is one can be recruited, then I can't prove it, if his role can't be recruited then yes I have proof.

The only person qualified for that would be CR. Since you have no way of knowing, I'll take that as a "No"

Am I missing something? Is there a chance that when you try to kill someone that it could backfire and you will die instead?

You may have missed the bit where you say that they died because of me. And yes, there is a chance it can backfire and you end up killed.

Cool story bro.

Thanks! ^_^

Beskar

03-31-2010, 05:14

I wish I could actually do something to make sure I dont die but the only one I know for sure who is pro town and isnt dead is Beskar.

Thanks for your support, but I am only a town, not a pro-town. Thanks for making me a night kill target though, it was bad enough with Jolt and the vig. brigade and the paladins wanting my head for mentioning about them, now I got the mafia ontop having me as a sure target.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 05:19

The only person qualified for that would be CR. Since you have no way of knowing, I'll take that as a "No"

You may have missed the bit where you say that they died because of me. And yes, there is a chance it can backfire and you end up killed.

Thanks! ^_^

Thanks for your support, but I am only a town, not a pro-town. Thanks for making me a night kill target though, it was bad enough with Jolt and the vig. brigade and the paladins wanting my head for mentioning about them, now I got the mafia ontop having me as a sure target.

Well, geeze guys. If none of you will even have the common courtesy to even throw a random accusation at me when we are entering the sweet 16, I guess my boredom will result in stuff you wont like.

Hey, wait a minute. If the mafia refrains from killing me or even better, protects me, I can continue my lulzfest here and be the last town person to survive. I'm waiting for your message mafia.

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 05:23

Dead people telling me to shut up right now.

Askthepizzaguy

03-31-2010, 05:33

Again, I bring to the towns forefront the fact that if Jolt was pever's bodyguard, why is pever dead? And pever was dead early in the game. Great job Jolt, you're a superstar. :rolleyes:

The fact is Jolt, you're being incredibly dumb by associating me with Secura as a Turk when I was the one who actually attacked her first and then encouraged people to vote for her. Where did I attack with a crossbow or someone with a crossbow? Is this one of your "Reenk is attacking townies" bull crap, because only your lord and master Sasaki and his crew have been responsible for killing a ton of townies and soldiers and pro town roles. The only people I've attacked were you and Secura, and I tried to attack Sigurd who is probably evil.

And don't act all tough and crap, anyone can see you're obviously a pansy, not attacking at all and then taking all the credit of the snowflake that fell into my eye. :rolleyes:

Also Jolt quoted a role PM and should be Wog'd. :yes:

Woah. Take er down a notch, please.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 05:35

Again, I bring to the towns forefront the fact that if Jolt was pever's bodyguard, why is pever dead? And pever was dead early in the game. Great job Jolt, you're a superstar. :rolleyes:

Wait, this is news. So I was supposedly pever's bodyguard all along? Or claimed to be it? Another piece of information had no idea of! I see your reliable information is still working hard Reenk! :)

The fact is Jolt, you're being incredibly retarded by associating me with Secura as a Turk when I was the one who actually attacked her first and then encouraged people to vote for her.

It's called "conversion". You're most probably familiarized with the concept.

Where did I attack with a crossbow or someone with a crossbow?

Oh, your reliable information services did not give you the transcript of the fighting? Here, let me give you a hand:

[...]The howling wind made it hard for Jolt to hear his own footsteps. Fortunately, it also made it hard to aim crossbows.

The first bolt flew so close to his head Jolt could hear the buzz as it passed his ear. As he grabbed hold of his halberd another bolt landed nearby.[...]

[...]The last thing his attacker saw was the armored figure of Jolt standing above him and bringing the axe head of the halberd down upon him.

The axe head cleaved the chest of the attacker in two. Reenk lay dead on the cobblestones.

The second attacker, having finally found the two fighters in the blizzard, saw the fallen Reenk and quickly ran off.

Now unless the single crossbowmen is lightning-fast at reloading a crossbow, because my character only had time to grip his halberd which takes about...1 second; or unless those bolts were actually sent by Zeus instead, I'd bank on the fact that there were two crossbowmen. The end of the fighting was with your chest split in two and your mate running away. Two crossbows, two attackers. Err... You can see where I'm heading.

And don't act all tough and crap, anyone can see you're obviously a pansy, not attacking at all and then taking all the credit of the snowflake that fell into my eye. :rolleyes:

C'mon ya pansy! Oh, had enough eh? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690)

Secura

03-31-2010, 05:42

Woah. Take er down a notch, please.

Boys and their mafia, huh?

Askthepizzaguy

03-31-2010, 05:43

It's not clear to me if this is roleplaying (which is fine, to a point) or if these are unnecessary barbs in a casual game. That's the only reason why I object, as a neutral observer.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 05:47

It's not clear to me if this is roleplaying (which is fine, to a point) or if these are unnecessary barbs in a casual game. That's the only reason why I object, as a neutral observer.

I don't mind. I think it's just Reenk being Reenk. :)

a completely inoffensive name

03-31-2010, 05:48

It's not clear to me if this is roleplaying (which is fine, to a point) or if these are unnecessary barbs in a casual game. That's the only reason why I object, as a neutral observer.

I only roleplay with my gf. My favorite is when I am Commander Shepard and she is Miranda. Roleplaying online seems a bit weird to me, no thanks, I'm a plain vanilla kind of guy.

Secura

03-31-2010, 05:49

Whichever it is, I don't think it merits the use of the word "retarded" in such a context.

It's bad enough in the Frontroom, where the conversation is fun and generally light-hearted; it doesn't belong in the Gameroom and doesn't add any weight to an argument beyond making one look puerile. :/

Jolt

03-31-2010, 05:52

I probably don't take as much offensive weight in english words as do native speakers of it thus why I don't feel offended (What's RR's RL address again?) :P.

Askthepizzaguy

03-31-2010, 06:05

You're a big boy Jolt. I know you can handle it. My objections are mine alone, but I do object.

I don't mind colorfulness or throwing oneself into a role, but the ad hominems could at least be funny or more obviously in jest. Sorry, not trying to make a big deal of it.

Methos

03-31-2010, 06:17

As Reenk told me (which I agree with), there is no challenge or fun when people force others to reveal their role in public and put them in a spot where it is either reveal and get killed by mafia or dont reveal and get killed by manipulated, bandwagoning town members.

On this point I agree as well and unfortunately it seems like that is how games are played here, or at least how Sasaki and Pizza play, which means how games are ran.

Edit: After rereading this I realize it sounds a little harsh, which wasn't my intent. I do wonder why wagons are pushed so hard to force people to reveal themselves. I would think that as players you would see how that affects the game in a bad way.

Methos

03-31-2010, 06:26

The fact is Jolt, you're being incredibly dumb by associating me with Secura as a Turk when I was the one who actually attacked her first and then encouraged people to vote for her. Where did I attack with a crossbow or someone with a crossbow? Is this one of your "Reenk is attacking townies" bull crap, because only your lord and master Sasaki and his crew have been responsible for killing a ton of townies and soldiers and pro town roles. The only people I've attacked were you and Secura, and I tried to attack Sigurd who is probably evil.

We can't be sure that you were incapable of being converted, so there is the possibility that you may have started out as pro-town and converted to the Turks. I also found your role reveal to be weak. I don't know you well, if at all, but I get the impression you're the type who would fake your role reveal just to show how weak the bandwagon tactic was. To be honest, if it comes out in the end that you were serious about your role reveal in the face of the wagon, then I'm going to think very little of you.

atheotes

03-31-2010, 06:59

I do agree that Jolt should have been WoGd for quoting his role PM. I think it gives an unfair advantage to those who had seen it in full :no:

pevergreen

03-31-2010, 09:26

Again, I bring to the towns forefront the fact that if Jolt was pever's bodyguard, why is pever dead? And pever was dead early in the game. Great job Jolt, you're a superstar. :rolleyes:

The fact is Jolt, you're being incredibly dumb by associating me with Secura as a Turk when I was the one who actually attacked her first and then encouraged people to vote for her. Where did I attack with a crossbow or someone with a crossbow? Is this one of your "Reenk is attacking townies" bull crap, because only your lord and master Sasaki and his crew have been responsible for killing a ton of townies and soldiers and pro town roles. The only people I've attacked were you and Secura, and I tried to attack Sigurd who is probably evil.

And don't act all tough and crap, anyone can see you're obviously a pansy, not attacking at all and then taking all the credit of the snowflake that fell into my eye. :rolleyes:

Also Jolt quoted a role PM and should be Wog'd. :yes:

Yeah, sif I'm dead.

Myrddraal

03-31-2010, 10:09

@myrd: He'd switched to my avatar for a while there.

Oh :embarassed:

I'll go back to my corner then.
From where I am analysing each and every post

Subotan

03-31-2010, 10:25

Thanks for your support, but I am only a town, not a pro-town. Thanks for making me a night kill target though, it was bad enough with Jolt and the vig. brigade and the paladins wanting my head for mentioning about them
My pleasure. I thought you deserved something a little extra after taking it upon yourself to reveal every pro-town role in the book (Except yours, Mr. Mason)

Askthepizzaguy

03-31-2010, 11:34

On this point I agree as well and unfortunately it seems like that is how games are played here, or at least how Sasaki and Pizza play, which means how games are ran.

Edit: After rereading this I realize it sounds a little harsh, which wasn't my intent. I do wonder why wagons are pushed so hard to force people to reveal themselves. I would think that as players you would see how that affects the game in a bad way.

That always seemed to me to be a standard and universal side effect of voting for people... I never, ever thought it was unusual or related to any certain player.

The object of the game is to vote for someone. Someone else might vote for them too, we call that bandwagoning, and you'd have a really silly game without it. So, you vote for someone and they reveal to get you to change your mind, often times. It's not like Sasaki or myself invented it. Everyone, yourself included, does this.

What affects the game in a bad way is when people reveal unnecessarily or to the wrong people. And again, that's also part of the game. People make silly choices in these games, because it is a game of limited information. I know you guys are basically veterans, so I am confused as to why any of it seems new or surprising.

_____

Also, and to put it finally to bed: Jolt is not a noble defender. I've said it already a few times, so this isn't even new information: That would be myself, and White_Eyes. Unless he's defending some other noble, and that wasn't his claim, and he was very neutral between me and the noble assassin. Were he a noble defender he would have killed them.

The whole noble/assassin thing is over, the assassins won that fight. pevergreen is dead.

Reenk Roink

03-31-2010, 14:40

Wow, people are actually making drama over 'retarded'? :rolleyes: Is this elementary school? Let me give you another thing that makes Mafia games less fun, overly hypersensitive people. We used to have these kinds of spirited discussions all the time, it's what makes the best games.

Jolt knows how we do, he knows I'm a bitter dead man ironically killed while trying to kill the man who killed me, and so for that I'm going to get him killed.

ANYWAY... :rolleyes:

Wait, this is news. So I was supposedly pever's bodyguard all along? Or claimed to be it? Another piece of information had no idea of! I see your reliable information is still working hard Reenk! :)

Jolt, you now denying to be pever's bodyguard lends even more credence to the fact that you actually were (in name only you backstabber :stare:) just like that whole "I didn't defend Sigurd schtick" :laugh4:.

See this for the reason I awoke from my slumber to attack you, otherwise I would've shown that little punk Methos what a REAL snowball fight looked like:

I am here to announce, on behalf of the Noble guardians, a truce, between the Noble Assassins and the Noble Guardians.

Since I have been pretty much neutral on the whole affair since the beginning (Since it is none of the main town objectives, which are to kill the Turk spies), and I know people from both sides, I am here to announce on behalf of the Noble Guardians a truce. Since two of the three last kills were most probably by Turkish double spies, this means there are still 4 turkish spies on the loose.

As the Noble Guardians main objective is also to dispose the fort of the Turkish spies, and since they have struck a Noble Assassin as retribution for the death of a Noble, they have decided that this truce must be done to root out the Turks before they become a too great threat to the town. As such, the Noble Guardians will dedicate their efforts towards persuing, finding and killing the Turkish spies. Likewise, they request and expect the Noble Assassins also to dedicate their efforts to eliminating the Turks for the time being. That means that both sides may still have a chance to win. The alternative is that both sides lose the game as the Turks win it.

Thank you.

...obviously involved in pever's death, which is BY FAR more important than the sidewar between the Turks and locals (which is just pathetic with the seemingly pro town groups just killing off each other and the Turks being unable to get any converts and too sissy to attack people becuase AVSM got unlucky).

It's called "conversion". You're most probably familiarized with the concept.

I know for a fact that you are because you recieved a letter asking to kill the someone (I WONDER WHO?). :laugh4: I go through people's mail you know. :wink:

You can say all you want that I might have gotten converted, but that is a possibility that extends to you as well. After all, anyone can just say "I'm uncovertible".

If I had gotten converted I would have certainly ignored you as you are just passively following the "big boys". I attacked you after that little speech for a reason. To avenge my noble pever.

Oh, your reliable information services did not give you the transcript of the fighting? Here, let me give you a hand:

Fair enough, I read from backwards up and never got to the beginning. Even if I had recruited a Turk to attack you (unlikely given his absolute ineptness and the fact crossbows were a common EUROPEAN weapon in the day - the Turks used bows - reliable info ftw) it doesn't matter, because you obviously need to die for the sake of:

1) the Holy Roman Emperor
2) this crappy town
3) the wussy Turks

Nobody likes you, everyone wins with your death. :2thumbsup:

Now then, CR please WoG Jolt, he revealed his role PM. If not, I have gotten a volunteer on Jolt already? Anymore?

TinCow

03-31-2010, 15:00

...obviously involved in pever's death, which is BY FAR more important than the sidewar between the Turks and locals

Only to those people who have that as a victory condition in their role PMs. The rest of us couldn't care less about the war over the nobles, or whatever the dispute is.

Jolt

03-31-2010, 16:14

Jolt, you now denying to be pever's bodyguard lends even more credence to the fact that you actually were (in name only you backstabber :stare:) just like that whole "I didn't defend Sigurd schtick" :laugh4:.

So... If I say I'm not Martian but rather human, according to you, it means it lends credibility to the fact that I'm Martian? Oh. Ok.

...obviously involved in pever's death, which is BY FAR more important than the sidewar between the Turks and locals (which is just pathetic with the seemingly pro town groups just killing off each other and the Turks being unable to get any converts and too sissy to attack people becuase AVSM got unlucky).

I fail to see how any of that says I'm involved in Pevergreen getting killed. Other than the fact that I knew who the Noble Guardians were and I could easily have had them murdered.

I know for a fact that you are because you recieved a letter asking to kill the someone (I WONDER WHO?). :laugh4: I go through people's mail you know. :wink:

I did get a letter from CR asking me to kill someone. It said I had to reply until the end of the day. I hadn't even come to the .org when I got a new letter from CR which it said, paraphrasing it: "that since the target was already dead by the time they sent me the letter, the group no longer needed help." So that took care of one little piggy. If I had joined, ATPG and White_Eyes would be dead by now, and I would have protected Subotan against a certain attack after he revealed a Noble Assassin.

You can say all you want that I might have gotten converted, but that is a possibility that extends to you as well. After all, anyone can just say "I'm uncovertible".

The fact is that you saw my Role PM, illegal or not. Saying I could be convertible (Which would mean you wouldn't believe in my Role PM) and then pushing for my WoG (Which means you actually believe in my Role PM) shows that you don't really give a fig for the town. You're bitter and all you want is me dead.

If I had gotten converted I would have certainly ignored you as you are just passively following the "big boys". I attacked you after that little speech for a reason. To avenge my noble pever.

:D

Look above at ATPG post to see who the Noble Guardians are. Yes that means you just made yourself look even more scummier.

Now then, CR please WoG Jolt, he revealed his role PM. If not, I have gotten a volunteer on Jolt already? Anymore?

As I mentioned earlier, immediately after I removed the Role PM, I contacted CR stating exactly what happened and saying I wouldn't mind being WoG'd because of it. CR said it was not to be so here I am. Likewise, do attempt to organize people to attack me again. I'll probably end up killing your Turkish mate meaning less Turks to find out.

atheotes

03-31-2010, 16:26

As I mentioned earlier, immediately after I removed the Role PM, I contacted CR stating exactly what happened and saying I wouldn't mind being WoG'd because of it. CR said it was not to be so here I am. Likewise, do attempt to organize people to attack me again. I'll probably end up killing your Turkish mate meaning less Turks to find out.

the problem I have with this is that the few people who had seen your role reveal have been using it is as a means to claim certain game conditions and clearing themselves as innocent. :no:

TinCow

03-31-2010, 16:31

the problem I have with this is that the few people who had seen your role reveal have been using it is as a means to claim certain game conditions and clearing themselves as innocent. :no:

Which people, and what exactly are they claiming? I did not see the role PM so I have no ability to interpret innuendo.

atheotes

03-31-2010, 16:40

Which people, and what exactly are they claiming? I did not see the role PM so I have no ability to interpret innuendo.

It has been claimed that Warriors and Sergeants cannot be recruited.

Yaropolk

03-31-2010, 16:51

*Recruited against the town

Secura

03-31-2010, 18:30

which is BY FAR more important than the sidewar between the Turks and locals (which is just pathetic with the seemingly pro town groups just killing off each other and the Turks being unable to get any converts and too sissy to attack people becuase AVSM got unlucky).

Why is this conflict with the noble guardians and assassins more important than the entire premise of the game? This is exactly like Beskie's Noblesse Oblige game in that your little tête-à-tête mirrors the Kira-L conflict; merely an aside to the actual battle between the Selecao (the mafia) and the town.

Also, as you're all likely to find out anyway, you might as well know that AVSM died because he didn't send in the correct orders; he specified who he was attacking that night, but did not specify his accomplice. He recieved a PM warning him of the consequences, but he had already logged off the forums by then and didn't return until the next day to see himself dead.

Personally, as host I would have extended the benefit of the doubt and let him off just the once, particularly considering the stage of the game we were in; instead, because his orders didn't correlate with his cohort, he failed in his attack and died, which effectively neutered our efforts from there onwards. Alongside the fact that I ended up upset by the extent to which a close friend was being attacked and defended him, thus getting too invested in the game and drawing too much attention to myself, and you can understand two of the three mistakes I mentioned a few hundred posts back.

If you wish to continue to make petty comments about us being useless or inept or whatever else, then by all means do so; however you can do so in the knowledge that the sole architects of our downfalls were ourselves, and that you've basically been doing our jobs for us since the day I was lynched. Whether I win or lose, that very fact has been hilarious in itself; the town has been just as "inept", yourself included.

EDIT: I'm just curious... why the attack on Jolt now? He revealed his role briefly earlier in the game, and nobody seemed to have any qualms then, but now it's "WOG him!". Considering the fact you're apparantly a pro-town role, you're immensely two-faced... you should have been a Turk instead.

Renata

03-31-2010, 18:51

Town is always, always inept. It's a rare game indeed that town does not make colossally stupid mistakes. It's the nature of the game of mafia. Nobody needs to apologize for it, not even any pro-towns responsible for killing me. :brood:

Seems to me that your continual harping on it, Secura, is as much an effort to inspire recruitment as it is anything else.

Secura

03-31-2010, 18:59

Seems to me that your continual harping on it, Secura, is as much an effort to inspire recruitment as it is anything else.

I think you might be interested in what Gerard has to say in the next day phase or so. :3

Sasaki Kojiro

03-31-2010, 19:16

atheotes

03-31-2010, 19:28

I'll apologize, I should have vigged atheotes or captain B like I originally intended, sheer laziness on my part :shrug:

Vigged me for questioning your actions? that would have been one more to your list of successful mafia vigs :rolleyes:
Out of curiosity do you think both me and Captain B are turks?

Beefy187

03-31-2010, 23:33

Vigged me for questioning your actions? that would have been one more to your list of successful mafia vigs :rolleyes:
Out of curiosity do you think both me and Captain B are turks?

And me. Heck, me and atheotes has been chocking each other.

Csargo

03-31-2010, 23:43

And me. Heck, me and atheotes has been chocking each other.

If you're into that kind of stuff that's fine, but I don't think the world wants to know about it...

Renata

04-01-2010, 00:03

@ Sasaki: I appreciate the thought.

For the rest, a song.

Everybody's innocent in Mafia
Everybody's harmless as a sigh.
You might be out at night
Shooting people left and right
But in daytime you're as sweet as pumpkin pie.

Everybody's innocent in Mafia
Those accusations, they're a pack of lies
You might bludgeon, stab or prowl
Keep a lookout like an owl
But it's only all the others who're the spies

Everybody's innocent in Mafia
Though the streets run bloody wet and red
Wounded innocence is wise
Shed the false tears from your eyes
Until three days after you're dead.

Subotan

04-01-2010, 00:05

What tune do we sing that to?

Renata

04-01-2010, 00:39

The one in my head. Although it also works well as a dramatic reading.

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 00:49

Go for the William Shatner, and talk-sing it horribly.

Reenk Roink

04-01-2010, 03:19

So... If I say I'm not Martian but rather human, according to you, it means it lends credibility to the fact that I'm Martian? Oh. Ok.

Yes. Did you really need to clarify that? :rolleyes:

I fail to see how any of that says I'm involved in Pevergreen getting killed. Other than the fact that I knew who the Noble Guardians were and I could easily have had them murdered.

I don't think even you would be dumb enough to actually say I killed pevergreen or something. It's called reading in between the lines. :wink:

I did get a letter from CR asking me to kill someone. It said I had to reply until the end of the day. I hadn't even come to the .org when I got a new letter from CR which it said, paraphrasing it: "that since the target was already dead by the time they sent me the letter, the group no longer needed help." So that took care of one little piggy. If I had joined, ATPG and White_Eyes would be dead by now, and I would have protected Subotan against a certain attack after he revealed a Noble Assassin.

The fact that you hid this from the town until now is telling. I was watching you... and I know all your secrets. :yes: Nice job protecting GH btw, that worked nicely. :laugh4:

The fact is that you saw my Role PM, illegal or not. Saying I could be convertible (Which would mean you wouldn't believe in my Role PM) and then pushing for my WoG (Which means you actually believe in my Role PM) shows that you don't really give a fig for the town. You're bitter and all you want is me dead.

No, I never saw your role PM, I just know it was revealed. Once again you are wrong. Obviously I want you dead, and I only have to care about the town as much as my role makes it (you think I would willingly be protown :laugh4:).

:D

Look above at ATPG post to see who the Noble Guardians are. Yes that means you just made yourself look even more scummier.

Atpg and WE may be the noble guardians (GOOD JOB GUYS :rolleyes: but you obviously have something to do with pever, given your absolute inability to hide your actions.

As I mentioned earlier, immediately after I removed the Role PM, I contacted CR stating exactly what happened and saying I wouldn't mind being WoG'd because of it. CR said it was not to be so here I am. Likewise, do attempt to organize people to attack me again. I'll probably end up killing your Turkish mate meaning less Turks to find out.

Very fortunate of you, and will do. :laugh4: at Turks again. :rolleyes:

Why is this conflict with the noble guardians and assassins more important than the entire premise of the game? This is exactly like Beskie's Noblesse Oblige game in that your little tête-à-tête mirrors the Kira-L conflict; merely an aside to the actual battle between the Selecao (the mafia) and the town.

No you are confused and have the completely wrong idea.

If you wish to continue to make petty comments about us being useless or inept or whatever else, then by all means do so; however you can do so in the knowledge that the sole architects of our downfalls were ourselves, and that you've basically been doing our jobs for us since the day I was lynched. Whether I win or lose, that very fact has been hilarious in itself; the town has been just as "inept", yourself included.

Of course the town has sucked, I've said so as much first privately to Sasaki and then I brought it public, does that make your suckage go away? :no:

As for me, I was able to fulfill 2 of the 3 my victory conditions (the pever surviving being kinda a very tough thing to accomplish given I didn't know him) and also flag you early on. So no, I haven't been inept by any standard. :smug: The Holy Roman Emperor is still proud while the Sultan is facepalming.

EDIT: I'm just curious... why the attack on Jolt now? He revealed his role briefly earlier in the game, and nobody seemed to have any qualms then, but now it's "WOG him!". Considering the fact you're apparantly a pro-town role, you're immensely two-faced... you should have been a Turk instead.

You might need to take a look at exactly when I attacked Jolt (the reasons why are already stated in the thread) and then you will see your objection is misguided.

As for being a Turk, certainly I deserved the honor a lot more than someone who actually confesses to being Mafia on day 3 when they aren't even the overwhelming lynch choice. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, I got stuck with a non Mafia role. Fortunately, it wasn't exactly town and it allowed some flexibility.

Scienter

04-01-2010, 03:23

Go for the William Shatner, and talk-sing it horribly.

Accompanied by string bass and bongo drums.

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 03:38

Everyone's ideas suck besides mine. :rolleyes:

Everyone's performance sucks besides mine. :rolleyes:

These things are clever of me to point out. :smug:

Reenk Roink

04-01-2010, 03:39

Everyone's ideas suck besides mine. :rolleyes:

Everyone's performance sucks besides mine. :rolleyes:

These things are clever of me to point out. :smug:

u mad? I should be angry with you, failing to protect pever when both you and WE are alive... :rolleyes:

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 03:42

u mad? I should be angry with you, failing to protect pever when both you and WE are alive... :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: gets cleverer every time.

Jolt

04-01-2010, 04:30

Yes. Did you really need to clarify that? :rolleyes:

I don't think even you would be dumb enough to actually say I killed pevergreen or something. It's called reading in between the lines. :wink:

Ah! You got me! Unfortunately my capabilities are beyond arguing gibberish. Well done RR. :bow:

The fact that you hid this from the town until now is telling. I was watching you... and I know all your secrets. :yes:

So, the modus operandi you're spouting that I should have is that I reveal every conversation and every piece of information that comes into my hands for everyone to know? I'm guessing you even want to know who I'm protecting tonight! And every consecutive night after this! After all, according to you, I should immediately reveal this information and the fact that I'm not saying it, is telling too? Sorry mate. Not gonna happen.
And yes, your secrets about anyone are extremely credible. I quake in fear just of thinking what you might do with them next.

Nice job protecting GH btw, that worked nicely. :laugh4:

Another fantastic piece of information I didn't know about! I didn't protect GH. What next? I'm actually pevergreen in disguise and faked my death to fool the Noble Assassins that I was dead?

No, I never saw your role PM, I just know it was revealed. Once again you are wrong. Obviously I want you dead, and I only have to care about the town as much as my role makes it (you think I would willingly be protown :laugh4:).

Amuse me. Why did you try to kill me again? I cannot recall of a reason.
EDIT: Than besides putting into the public thread, an annoucement of a cease-fire for two factions to concentrate on the Turks, which might have upset some of the Turks.

Atpg and WE may be the noble guardians (GOOD JOB GUYS :rolleyes: but you obviously have something to do with pever, given your absolute inability to hide your actions.

You mean besides protecting Sigurd, working with Subotan and protecting GH? Yeah, I really must have something to do with pevergreen. Though I need not worry, as I'm sure you'll reveal everything to us soon enough. You cannot fail. I am like an open book before you.

Very fortunate of you, and will do. :laugh4: at Turks again. :rolleyes:

If you can include the Turks, I'd be much grateful to you. Even moreso then after you attacked me. You might turn out to be my greatest helper in this game.

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 04:44

I think he solved the game before it began, and he's been laughing at our efforts ever since. Truly he is a god among men. Or were we whiny, retarded, school children? I keep forgetting.

Csargo

04-01-2010, 04:53

He's already won and you let him :sad:

Reenk Roink

04-01-2010, 12:45

So, the modus operandi you're spouting that I should have is that I reveal every conversation and every piece of information that comes into my hands for everyone to know? I'm guessing you even want to know who I'm protecting tonight! And every consecutive night after this! After all, according to you, I should immediately reveal this information and the fact that I'm not saying it, is telling too? Sorry mate. Not gonna happen. And yes, your secrets about anyone are extremely credible. I quake in fear just of thinking what you might do with them next.

But, but, but, you didn't actually take the offer to kill that someone because you logged in too late, right? That's why you don't have to tell everyone what you've been up to. :idea:

But of course, you don't "know" about all of these thing when I bring them up anyway. :rolleyes:

Amuse me. Why did you try to kill me again? I cannot recall of a reason.

EDIT: Than besides putting into the public thread, an annoucement of a cease-fire for two factions to concentrate on the Turks, which might have upset some of the Turks.

So you want me to give a reason besides the reason I already gave? :inquisitive: :huh: OK, I knew you were getting letters from someone to kill someone (almost entirely likely pever), meaning you at the very least had lied about your inconvertibility before.

You mean besides protecting Sigurd, working with Subotan and protecting GH? Yeah, I really must have something to do with pevergreen. Though I need not worry, as I'm sure you'll reveal everything to us soon enough. You cannot fail. I am like an open book before you.

Wait who said anything about Subotan? Is this a little slip? :laugh4:

If you can include the Turks, I'd be much grateful to you. Even moreso then after you attacked me. You might turn out to be my greatest helper in this game.

Well, considering I was the only one part of a town group to actually attack a Turk in the long line of attacks this town has taken, your associating me with Turkness continues to be amusing. :laugh4: But of course, the Crossbowman I had by my side! Much more likely a Turk than a traveler, the Crossbow wasn't any kind of European weapon that peasants could use anyway. :idea:

I think he solved the game before it began, and he's been laughing at our efforts ever since. Truly he is a god among men. Or were we whiny, retarded, school children? I keep forgetting.

Aw it hurts doesn't it. ~:pat: It's ok, you will get over it.

Crazed Rabbit

04-01-2010, 15:50

Orders closed. Write up coming.

CR

Jolt

04-01-2010, 17:17

So you want me to give a reason besides the reason I already gave? :inquisitive: :huh: OK, I knew you were getting letters from someone to kill someone (almost entirely likely pever), meaning you at the very least had lied about your inconvertibility before.

You gave no reason. You just quoted an announcement I had made on ATPG's and WE's behalf.

And you just revealed yet another new piece of information I didn't know about. It would be pretty stupid contacting a Sargeant to kill someone. Besides, you already said some three posts ago that I was a pansy since I was always defending. There is no point arguing with you when you contradict yourself every 3 seconds and when you can't make a coherent argument (You haven't so far. Our arguments have ranged from you saying that you were a Noble Guard, which is false as ATPG revealed it, to saying you're really a champion of the H.R.E.; from saying I had something to do with pevergreen, while calling me pansy for not attacking, to claiming I was recieving letters to kill someone) fortunately, it makes the whole town see how scummy you are. And due to the absurdness and incoherence of yourself (the fact that you can't stick a version of the story for more than two posts), most of your arguments are centered around throwing random gibberish and hoping I say something that will harm me.

Since I see nothing useful in arguing gibberish, I will allow you from now on to make the most outrageous claims about myself. Yes I have killed Sigurd, CR, pevergreen, Subotan and pretty much everyone on the dead list and lynched list.

Wait who said anything about Subotan? Is this a little slip? :laugh4:

Yeah, this slip is several weeks old. If you had read this thread, you would have by now known that:
1. Subotan is a Noble Assassin
2. I had already protected Subotan
3. Beskar said he had a terrible "secret" about my partnership with Subotan, which he didn't "reveal".

I'm sure you too will say that I worked with Subotan to kill pever and bring about the town's utter downfall. I will allow you as this repeated exchanges have served to show you as a mocking figure before the town. So noone really gives you any credibility anymore, thus why I'll allow you to spout random gibberish and accusations about me without trying to argue it.

Well, considering I was the only one part of a town group to actually attack a Turk in the long line of attacks this town has taken, your associating me with Turkness continues to be amusing. :laugh4: But of course, the Crossbowman I had by my side! Much more likely a Turk than a traveler, the Crossbow wasn't any kind of European weapon that peasants could use anyway. :idea:

Since you like to consider things, I'd invite you to consider reading the post where I explained your possible affiliation with the Turks, which doesn't nullify that in the beginning you were Pro-Town. As to the weapons, we have already seen Travellers and Soldiers participating in kills. They fight with maces and swords. Not crossbows.
Besides peasants can't afford such complicated contraptions called crossbows.

Double A

04-01-2010, 18:00

I like the Double A case better than atheotes'. So, Vote: Double A.

I'm active with Beefy in a quicktopic for another game, so he might mean that one. :shrug: We also had a bit of confusion about names there.

I had a case?

Wait what day is it now?

Reenk Roink

04-01-2010, 18:28

You gave no reason. You just quoted an announcement I had made on ATPG's and WE's behalf.

That was a reason (the other being the letters you received) - both validating reasonable suspicion and thus justifying an attempt. Do you still wish to claim it is "no reason" and then in parallel discuss incoherence?

And you just revealed yet another new piece of information I didn't know about. It would be pretty stupid contacting a Sargeant to kill someone. Besides, you already said some three posts ago that I was a pansy since I was always defending. There is no point arguing with you when you contradict yourself every 3 seconds and when you can't make a coherent argument (You haven't so far. Our arguments have ranged from you saying that you were a Noble Guard, which is false as ATPG revealed it, to saying you're really a champion of the H.R.E.; from saying I had something to do with pevergreen, while calling me pansy for not attacking, to claiming I was recieving letters to kill someone) fortunately, it makes the whole town see how scummy you are. And due to the absurdness and incoherence of yourself (the fact that you can't stick a version of the story for more than two posts), most of your arguments are centered around throwing random gibberish and hoping I say something that will harm me.

How to deal with this "gibberish" strawman...

As for the letters, it is the one accusation of mine you haven't lied and denied outright, rather you accepted it and tried to pass it off as innocuous, so I don't understand why it is included in these supposed "case changings". I mean getting an offer to kill someone within 24 hours of the death of the noble isn't suspicious at all. :juggle2:

Not mentioning it to the town until it is brought up (although Sasaki mentioned a similar case) is also not suspicious, correct?

Do you have a problem with me revising one stance which came up with new information? Considering your "announcement" on behalf of the noble affiliated parties, in it being a confirmation that you were aware of the death of an assassin, it wouldn't seem reasonable to believe that you were not somehow affiliated with the bodyguards (a corrupt one)? I know revision of your accusations is something you aren't keen on doing, considering your accusations of me seem to be exactly like the ones when I had a bandwagon on me ("Reenk is Turk, he's attacking innocents all along, he's scummy").

Most damningly: for a person claiming to be non-affiliated with the noble, you sure seem to be at the very center of it even according to your own selective and sanitized version of events.

Since you like to consider things, I'd invite you to consider reading the post where I explained your possible affiliation with the Turks, which doesn't nullify that in the beginning you were Pro-Town. As to the weapons, we have already seen Travellers and Soldiers participating in kills. They fight with maces and swords. Not crossbows.
Besides peasants can't afford such complicated contraptions called crossbows.

Since you like to repeat yourself, I will repeat my previous reply that yes, I could have been converted by Turks, but then so could you. You may continually state your role is unconvertible (though apparently not to everyone), but it stands to reason that a champion of the Emperor who is after targetted goals is more likely to be unconvertible. The rest of the response is stated previously. The anomaly in weaponry during kills across roles really weakens any conclusions one might draw from the kills. And I, for example, fight with a sword and utilize speed which was a baseline when I attacked Secura, was attacked, and attacked you. Also, Peasants were often given crossbows because it did not take much time to train them in their use to be effective soldiers. :scholar:

Double A

04-01-2010, 18:31

Oh cool.

I find a cave, and in it is a bear. We become companions for life. My life, it seems, because I am immediately mauled by him.

Subotan

04-01-2010, 21:09

Isn't Double A in WOG heaven?

Double A

04-01-2010, 21:26

Hence the italicized text.

Crazed Rabbit

04-01-2010, 21:28

The Shadow Fort, Day Nine.

The clouds had cleared, and so the fort was dimly lit at night by the stars and moon in the sky. Splitpersonality was walking to his room through the snow when he heard footsteps in the snow behind him.

He stopped and turned. Two men were behind him holding swords. Split heard movement in front of him and saw two more armed men approach to block his path.

“So this is how it ends, is it?” asked Split grimly, drawing his own sword. The four men advanced cautiously.

“Your time has come!” exclaimed one of the men, holding something in his off hand. With that signal, the attackers lunged forward to strike.

Split tried to ward off the blows, but was outnumbered and surrounded. The attackers struck repeatedly, and Split only stood for a few seconds. During that time the hood fell off of one of his attackers.

“Beskar!” exclaimed Split, but Beskar paid no heed. Seconds later Split was cut down and fell to the ground, staining the snow red. An attacker stood over him to deliver a final thrust to his heart.

Split recognized the face and cried out, “Khaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn!!”

The light left his eyes, but his attackers were not finished. They set about their task with a grave determination and left the snow much bloodier still. The head of Split was nowhere to be found in the morning.

The bartender at the tavern was still alive, and that had to count for something, thought A Completely Inoffensive Name. He was sitting with his back to the wall, eating a fried ham sandwich with strawberry jam. There were a half dozen people in the tavern, so he figured no one would burst in to attack him.

He was almost done when he noticed the room had become silent. He looked up and saw the bartender had made a hasty exit from the room. All the customers were now standing and facing him.

ACIN quickly assessed his chances of escape. They were not good.

He looked over the faces, then spoke, “Do you people know why my death is going to be better than yours?” The group stirred uneasily, reaching for their weapons.

“Because I have just finished a delicious meal. I expect the rest of you lot will be killed hungry and cold, cut down in the snow. If none of us can escape, then at least I won’t go to meet God with numbed fingers and frozen skin.”

“Enough of this talk!” exclaimed one of the attackers, “Let’s finish him!”

The attackers all drew swords and moved towards ACIN. For all his serenity, ACIN wasn’t going to go quietly. He picked up the wooden plate and hurled it at the nearest attacker. The plate and remaining food hit him square in the face.

ACIN was close behind, leaping over a table and drawing a knife before jumping at his attacker, who was trying to rub food out of his eyes. His momentum brought them both to the floor, with ACIN on top of the attacker.

The other attackers were only steps away, and running between tables as quickly as possible, but ACIN paid them no mind. He slashed his knife across the throat of his attacker – two times to be sure – before starting to plunge the blade into the chest of his attacker. ACIN managed to stab three times before the closest attacker came and sliced halfway though his neck.

With a gurgle as blood poured down his body, ACIN became limp and tumbled over, dead.

Beneath him Methos was also dead. But the attackers were not done with ACIN; they dragged his body onto a table and pulled out knives and other weaponry. When they were done his head was completely separated from his body.

Elsewhere in the fort, a man had paused between some buildings. Csargo had an eye for observation, and something was not right with the snow in front of him.

As he looked a man came around the corner, wearing robes.

“My child, where are you going at this time of night? Shouldn’t you be praying?”

Csargo drew his sword, “You are no priest, and your ill-conceived costume does not fool me. Also, you have a spear slung over your back.”

With that, Csargo turned and saw another man holding a warhammer. This attacker advanced, ready to strike. Csargo tried to dart past him, but the quick swings of the warhammer prevented him.

The robed attacker had taken out his spear and ran forward. Just as Csargo was close to getting past the second attacker, the first stabbed the back of his leg with his spear. Csargo cried out in pain and fell to one knee, still trying to fend off the warhammer.
The spear carrier struck again, this time piercing his back, and Csargo fell forward into the snow. The man with the warhammer landed a blow onto Csargo’s spine, then turned him over. Producing a knife, he slit Csargo’s throat to make sure he was dead.

The two attackers made their way off into the darkness.

“Wake up sir,” insisted Hans again.

A bleary eyed Gerard rolled over, “And to what point? To learn of more dead men? You give the people the report yourself.”

“Surely you haven’t gone mad,” said Hans.

Gerard grumbled, got up and began putting on his uniform. He did not both securing all the buttons.

Down in the hall he spoke to the group of people, “We have some good news from the investigations. The man you lynched, Psychonaut, was a Turkish spy. My men found objects that confirm his identity, including some communications with Turkish generals.

“Alas, though, Myrddraal was just a simple traveler. The only thing of note my men found was a cello in his room.

“GeneralHankerchief was something else. From his belongings, including various items for long forest journeys, he looked to be some sort of tracker or huntsmen.

“Finally, Subotan appears to be some sort of professional killer. We found a large array of weaponry in his room. It was all kept in good shape; oiled and stored well. It’s not clear what his purpose in the fort was, though we found some notes from a Holy Roman Empire Lord.”

“Our days are drawing to a close. Find the killers or there will be no one left.”

It is now the day phase! This phase will last for 31.5 hours, until 9 PM PST Friday April 2.

Alive:
Beskar
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan

Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8

Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

TinCow

04-01-2010, 21:40

split is still alive?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-01-2010, 21:41

Vote:atheotes

Let's lynch the mafioso.

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 21:42

vote: atheotes

Renata

04-01-2010, 21:42

split is still alive?

With no head? Doubt it, whatever the summary says.

Secura

04-01-2010, 21:43

Split recognized the face and cried out, “Khaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn!!”

This had to happen, it's all I've been able to think when I see his name. <3

Sasaki Kojiro

04-01-2010, 21:46

This had to happen, it's all I've been able to think when I see his name. <3

So what was psychonauts fundamental mistake?

TinCow

04-01-2010, 21:50

Since the game is still going, everything needs to be out in the open.

ACIN and split were believed to be the two people who attacked Yaropolk, so they were killed. I never heard a word about a hit on Csargo, and until I hear otherwise I am going to assume that hit was scum of some sort. Last night the group that killed ACIN was me, Joooray, atheotes, Methos, Csargo, and Sigurd. The write-up showed 6 people, so we all showed up. I do not know the composition of the group that attacked split, but the write-up showed 4 people, Beskar and 'khaan were ID'd, and I'm pretty sure the guy holding up the object was Yaropolk. That leaves 1 person un-IDed from that attack. The remaining people are:

Jolt
Sasaki Kojiro
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D

Of these people, 1 was obviouly on the split attack and has an alibi for the attack on Csargo. The remaining people need to answer questions or face the lynch. I do not believe there are any Turks left, and I think this game is being continued soley due to independent scum.

Secura

04-01-2010, 21:53

So what was psychonauts fundamental mistake?

What was the primary reason people started voting for him?

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 21:54

Myself and White_Eyes did Csargo, by request of Yaropolk, Sigurd, and Jolt.

TinCow

04-01-2010, 21:55

Myself and White_Eyes did Csargo, by request of Yaropolk, Sigurd, and Jolt.

On what reasoning?

Csargo

04-01-2010, 21:55

You've killed me in two games now ATPG. :sad:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-01-2010, 21:55

Csargo kill wasn't a scum kill, although I don't know why they picked him over atheotes. Mafia was most likely stick in a vig group

atheotes
khaan
Beskar

I'd bet it's one of these three.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-01-2010, 21:56

What was the primary reason people started voting for him?

I thought he was scummy and and had him on my shortlist, I don't remember what yaropolks post that started the charge was.

Renata

04-01-2010, 21:56

I'm holding a wake for all the travelers and soldiers ground in the gears of the pro-town cabal. Even the mafia ones, which is not most of us. And conveniently ignoring my own complicity in the matter. I think it deserves recognition.

Chaotix, Winston, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, Seon, Autolycus, TheFlax, slashandburn, johnhughthom, Methos: Sláinte!

(And you too, Scienter, Csargo or ACIN, if those were your starting roles. And to anyone who's still alive. Cheers!)

:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 21:57

On what reasoning?

"The first suspicious result was Csargo. My guess is that they have roles other than traveller or soldier"

An investigation result which revealed suspicion, but not proof, of scum.

"Buddy and Helper can either vig Csargo / Beskar or protect someone...I think vig Csargo is probably best move.

CSargo could be Reenk's partner or last assassin."

Suspicion that Csargo was another assassin or Turk.

"Let's kill Csargo."

Jolly good times?

Csargo

04-01-2010, 22:05

:rolleyes:

TinCow

04-01-2010, 22:06

Paladins, I am beginning to fear there is more to your goals than you have claimed. If I am wrong, please excuse my paranoia and cooperate with me some more. I would like role claims from everyone. This has all been done by PM ad nauseum at this point, so there's no point in hiding it any further, given that pretty much everyone is in on everything. Let's do this openly.

I know Yaropolk and Sigurd are confirmed starting game Paladins, from my own investigations.
Sasaki is claimed as a Paladin recruit.
As I'm sure everyone and their dog knows by now, I'm an Austrian royal physician and my job is to stop people from killing based on superstition. I suspect I've failed miserably, but I'm beyond caring at this point.

Who else is a Paladin or a recruit? If anyone has an affiliation that can be confirmed by a partner, speak up.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-01-2010, 22:09

No one else. Split was killed because he was the last person who could be the original demon, or something like that. And I think acin was suspected of being the demon's recruit.

TinCow

04-01-2010, 22:13

No one else. Split was killed because he was the last person who could be the original demon, or something like that. And I think acin was suspected of being the demon's recruit.

Are the Paladins the source of the investigation results that are being used to find the non-demonic scum?

Renata

04-01-2010, 22:13

I thought Jolt was the Paladin's recruit? Or was that false?

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 22:15

White_Eyes and I were starting Noble Defenders, tasked to guard pevergreen and find the assassin(s) trying to kill him, as has been revealed now for a while.
Jolt accepted membership in the Paladins last round, which is probably the only thing you're missing, TinCow.

Some people have been investigated and showed no signs of being a Turk, and others have been investigated and showed no signs of being a Demon. I tend to believe that inconclusive and guilty results will be very common, and I find it hard to believe that those showing no evidence of guilt are actually guilty, unless there's a Godfather mechanic at work.

Yaropolk

04-01-2010, 22:17

I will vote: Abstain and refrain from further kills at this point. Split went down too easy for my taste, but according to my investigations he was the only one who could be the demon. I will come right out with what i know about each person and let everyone judge for themselves.

Beskar - Claimed mason by partner ACIN, recruitable by either town or mafia, claims soldier, goal to kill Csargo and Seon. Participated in vig kill on Scienter two nights ago. Couldn't be turk or demon as those killed on Scienter ngiht. Could be a noble assassin recruit (if they could recruit, unlikely since noble guardains claim they cannot recruit)

Jolt - Sergeant, recruitable by town only, recruited by paladins, investigated as not demon

atheotes - claimed traveller, I know nothing else about his afficliation other than he was in Scienter vig group and couldn't be turk or demon for those reasons, could be last noble assassin

Sasaki Kojiro - claimed warrior, recruited by paladins, investigated not demon, appears in most night writeups doing solo kills with big sword, participated in Split kill last night

Joooray - ranger, GH's partner, they're hunting "a beast" which I believe could be same as demon, can kill, verified not demon by me

TinCow - Rationalist - his goal is to convince the paladins and probably rangers not to kill innocent people out of superstition, can kill once every 3 nights (you saw the failed poison attempt on split from him), verified not demon by me. His PM is in direct conflict with ours, stating that demons don't exist.

Askthepizzaguy - along with white eyes below was a noble guardian, can protect or kill in unison with his partner, personally verified by me as not demon and not recruitable

White_eyes:D - see above, sans demon verification

Yaropolk - demon hunter paladin along with Sigurd - can investigate or kill, has only killed once, last night

Sigurd - see above

Yaseikhaan - claimed soldier, appeared in scienter kill, so not demon or turk, could be last noble assassin

I believe we are out of turks and demons at this point, so I am not sure why game is not over.

The only 2 suspects I have are Yasei or Atheotes to be the last noble assassins. However as that faction is neutral i dont know why its holding up the game.

Jolt

04-01-2010, 22:19

Reenk attacked me with someone else. That someone must have been someone who has been cooperating with him and been under the radars. Of all those remaining, Csargo seems the only one to fit the bill, the other being ACIN. Both are dead, and I'm pretty confident one of them was Reenk's buddy.

I can confirm I protected tonight as I was asked to.

Yaropolk

04-01-2010, 22:20

I propose unvote; vote: no lynch and set up protection groups tonight.

TinCow

04-01-2010, 22:21

Thank you for the information Yaropolk. :bow:

Renata

04-01-2010, 22:22

The Scienter night only clears people of being Turks if you assume there can't have been more than two at that time. Isn't that a bit of a stretch? I'm not sure on what the estimates of true demon numbers are being based, either, but at least that write-up that showed them was pretty thorough, and didn't give evidence of any more.

Yaropolk

04-01-2010, 22:24

Demon numbers are based on the fact that my PM states that there is a single demon we are chasing and it can recruit. Also we only saw 2 in the writeup when they attacked me.

If anyone knows any other information beyond what I have posted, now is the time to speak up. I know you may mistrust power roles behind the scenes pulling the strings, so if you have something to contribute it's now or never as everything is in the open.

Additional info:
ACIN claimed traveller, and Methos soldier
Based on last nights writeup I think ACIN lied

TinCow

04-01-2010, 22:28

For what it's worth, my role PM specifically says there are no werewolves or vampires (demons in general are not mentioned) and that anyone searching for them is misguided. Based on that, my own readings of the write-ups, and this historical nature of the game, I believe that my role PM is correct and the others are wrong. I believe that the role Yaropolk was searching for DID (or does) exist, but that it was was/is a human, not a demon. It was on that basis that I assisted them in the kills for the last two nights.

Not that this matters to anyone but me, it seems... just felt the need to say it.

Renata

04-01-2010, 22:32

Demon numbers are based on the fact that my PM states that there is a single demon we are chasing and it can recruit. Also we only saw 2 in the writeup when they attacked me.

If anyone knows any other information beyond what I have posted, now is the time to speak up. I know you may mistrust power roles behind the scenes pulling the strings, so if you have something to contribute it's now or never as everything is in the open.

Meh, not really, any complaining I'm doing now is 95% tongue-in-cheek. If I question a power role it'll be because I think I have good reason to be suspicious. But your calculations regarding who can and cannot be a Turk still seem off.

Yaropolk

04-01-2010, 22:32

We are hunting 'strigoi' which are blood sucking demons - that probably refers to vampires
I imagine that rangers are hunting the werewolves

To renata:
We have taken out 3 known turks + possibly more since the last reveal
I could be completely wrong though and there could be more that have been sitting without using their kill powers. In that case Yasei / Atheotes are my best guess.

Renata

04-01-2010, 22:35

Which ones to die were confirmed Turks?

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 22:36

checking the summary thread, brb

edit:

Secura
AVSM
Psychonaut

Secura

04-01-2010, 22:39

Which ones to die were confirmed Turks?

A Very Super Market, Secura and Psychonaut.

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 22:40

Could be a noble assassin recruit (if they could recruit, unlikely since noble guardains claim they cannot recruit)

That's incorrect, pevergreen could recruit travelers and turn them into noble guards. He never managed to do so.

Yaropolk

04-01-2010, 22:42

Beskar - why do you think ACIN jumped to your defense out of the blue yesterday?

Jolt

04-01-2010, 22:45

That's incorrect, pevergreen could recruit travelers and turn them into noble guards. He never managed to do so.

EDIT: bleh.

Joooray

04-01-2010, 23:08

We are hunting 'strigoi' which are blood sucking demons - that probably refers to vampires
I imagine that rangers are hunting the werewolves

From what I can gather from my role pm, GH and me were rather looking for a werewolf, which than would account for both types of creature in TC's role pm. I have come here with GH after investigating an attack that couldn't have been done by a human nor some kind of animal. However, I was always amazed at the total lack of any such attack so far, also no post-mortem investigation said anything in this regard. Then again, CR made it clear, that some things might remain in the unknown.
When it comes to the towns targets, I am somewhat lost, I must say. The mafia seem to be able to blend in quite comfortably. :shrug:

Myrddraal

04-01-2010, 23:14

Lots of interesting info.

I'm not convinced that a round of no-lynch, no-vigs would be a good thing. Perhaps that's the twist in the tale, but if it's not, it's bassically a pass from the town, leaving the mafia free as the only ones active. Also, it seems likely that the mafia will have infiltrated the existing groups, so they may well be aware of protection attempts.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-01-2010, 23:17

Lynch atheotes, kill beskar and khaan.

THE MILL DEMANDS MORE GRIST

Askthepizzaguy

04-01-2010, 23:18

Mwahahhahahah!!!

Jolt

04-01-2010, 23:25

Vote: Beskar until he answers Yaropolk. If his answers are satisfactory, then I will change to no lynch, which will force any remaining killers to attack.

I would request that they attack me.

Yaropolk

04-01-2010, 23:32

Indeed unvote; vote beskar speak up

Renata

04-01-2010, 23:40

checking the summary thread, brb

edit:

Secura
AVSM
Psychonaut

Meh, that I know. Yaropolk's wording implied 3 confirmed since some point.

Jolt

04-01-2010, 23:43

TinCow

04-01-2010, 23:44

From what I can gather from my role pm, GH and me were rather looking for a werewolf, which than would account for both types of creature in TC's role pm. I have come here with GH after investigating an attack that couldn't have been done by a human nor some kind of animal. However, I was always amazed at the total lack of any such attack so far, also no post-mortem investigation said anything in this regard. Then again, CR made it clear, that some things might remain in the unknown.
When it comes to the towns targets, I am somewhat lost, I must say. The mafia seem to be able to blend in quite comfortably. :shrug:

I was told that there would be ambiguous information in the role PMs of all superstitious people; apparently that was done to give me some plausible basis to convince you guys that you were chasing ghosts. I IDed Yaropolk via investigation on Night 1 based on something he said in the thread and have conferred with him regularly since then. He agreed not to kill unless there was evidence of supernatural deaths in the write-ups. It appears you were thinking the same way, which is good because I agree there is no werewolf role in this game. I was honestly very surprised by the attack on Yaropolk two nights ago, because the write-up clearly showed the attacker had encountered Yaropolk before, which gave a lot of credibility to his claim that there was indeed a role out there that had something to do with him. It seemed clear to me that whatever that role was, it was not good news for us, even if it wasn't exactly what Yaropolk's role PM told him it was.

I'm not convinced that a round of no-lynch, no-vigs would be a good thing. Perhaps that's the twist in the tale, but if it's not, it's bassically a pass from the town, leaving the mafia free as the only ones active. Also, it seems likely that the mafia will have infiltrated the existing groups, so they may well be aware of protection attempts.

All kills last night were vig kills, which means the remaining scum is hiding in the vig groups. This makes it impossible to determine how many we have left. It could be a solo Turk, or perhaps even the entire Paladin faction (no offense guys, just postulating). When everyone's killing, there's no way for us to tell. Thus, the night kills have to stop and everyone needs to switch to protection groups. That will force the remaining scum to kill on their own, which will let us see their numbers.

We do need to lynch though.

Beskar

04-01-2010, 23:49

Beskar - Claimed mason by partner ACIN

Beskar - why do you think ACIN jumped to your defense out of the blue yesterday?

Vote: Beskar until he answers Yaropolk. If his answers are satisfactory, then I will change to no lynch, which will force any remaining killers to attack.

I would request that they attack me.

Indeed unvote; vote beskar speak up

That makes no sense, you already answered your own question? Yaropolk in particular already knows my role, which he has already taken the liberty of publicly revealing.

I have no been recruited by anyone or anything, only possible faction is the Paladins as I assisted in killing Splitpersonality last night as said in the write-up.

Renata

04-01-2010, 23:49

Got interrupted before I could finish my thought. The point I'm trying to make is that two nights back (when ATPG and WE killed Subotan), there were four killers unaccounted for -- all assumed to be Turks. Correct? The next night, when my group killed Scienter, there was only one pair of killers unaccounted for (besides the presumed demons) -- also correct? So in order to absolve everyone in my group of being a Turk, you'd have to assume the town ridded itself of at least two of them between those two nights. If that's not certain, then Yaropolk's conclusions are wrong on their face.

Jolt

04-01-2010, 23:49

or perhaps even the entire Paladin faction (no offense guys, just postulating).

If it is, it must be in individuals only as otherwise I wouldn't have been able to convert to the faction.

Renata

04-01-2010, 23:50

Beskar what's up with that goal to kill Seon and whoever? Nobody else has claimed anything like that.

Jolt

04-01-2010, 23:51

That makes no sense, you already answered your own question? Yaropolk in particular already knows my role, which he has already taken the liberty of publicly revealing.

I have no been recruited by anyone or anything, only possible faction is the Paladins as I assisted in killing Splitpersonality last night as said in the write-up.

ACIN claimed privately yesterday, when he was heavily defending Beskar, that he was a mason with Beskar, and that he (ACIN) was a traveller. ACIN's success at killing Methos probably means he was something quite more than a mere traveller. If he was indeed a mason, and he was converted (To the demons or to the Turks or whatever), the safest bet his group would have would be of converting his fellow mason along to the group ACIN was originally converted to (Like what happened at Rubicon with johnhughthom and Iskander), which brings about the question.

Are you really a traveller, Beskar?

Beskar

04-01-2010, 23:55

ACIN claimed privately yesterday, when he was heavily defending Beskar, that he was a mason with Beskar, and that he (ACIN) was a traveller. ACIN's success at killing Methos probably means he was something quite more than a mere traveller. If he was indeed a mason, and he was converted (To the demons or to the Turks or whatever), the safest bet his group would have would be of converting his fellow mason along to the group ACIN was originally converted to (Like what happened at Rubicon with johnhughthom and Iskander), which brings about the question.

Are you really a traveller, Beskar?

I was a traveller till I got promoted to a soldier. Also, ACIN was probably recruited as he never wanted to do any investigations with me.

Also, Secure heavily defended me, remember? And we all know how that went. They are probably defending me knowing I am not the mafia, thus if I died, probably makes them look better.

Beskar

04-01-2010, 23:58

Beskar what's up with that goal to kill Seon and whoever? Nobody else has claimed anything like that.

I can't quote my role pm. All I was told is that I am a Mason of Vienna, who is a traveller and could investigate with ACIN. ACIN never wanted to investigate with me for whatever reason. It was said another group called Orient of Vienna are trying to kill us. I didn't know who they were, I didn't know how many they were. This is why I dismissed the claims about being a mason, as the last thing I wanted was being killed by another possible town group.

As I said in the above post, I was promoted to Soldier. If you are a traveller, you will know that after either two successful investigations or two successful vigs, you get promoted to soldier. As you know or guessed, I killed slashandburn and Scienter. (The one who burnt slashandburn and the one who called Scienter a witch for her alchemy) which got me promoted, so when Yaropolk who I knew was a paladin, along with Sasaki and Sigurd (remember SSY?) asked to assist in killing a demon, I tagged along.

TinCow

04-02-2010, 00:04

[edit] nm

Jolt

04-02-2010, 00:06

I can't quote my role pm. All I was told is that I am a Mason of Vienna, who is a traveller and could investigate with ACIN. ACIN never wanted to investigate with me for whatever reason. It was said another group called Orient of Vienna are trying to kill us. I didn't know who they were, I didn't know how many they were. This is why I dismissed the claims about being a mason, as the last thing I wanted was being killed by another possible town group.

As I said in the above post, I was promoted to Soldier. If you are a traveller, you will know that after either two successful investigations or two successful vigs, you get promoted to soldier. As you know or guessed, I killed slashandburn and Scienter. (The one who burnt slashandburn and the one who called Scienter a witch for her alchemy) which got me promoted, so when Yaropolk who I knew was a paladin, along with Sasaki and Sigurd (remember SSY?) asked to assist in killing a demon, I tagged along.

Hm. So far so good. Why did you claim you knew things that didn't exist (Such as your awesome secret of doom about my partnership with Subotan?)

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 00:07

Someone told me earlier that he know about a traveler who had the ability of forming a two man vigilante squad. Which is really weird rereading it, I think at the time I had read it as mason group.

DE and Csargo were masons, and DE's writeup says something about secret drinking game rituals.

This doesn't really jive with what Beskar is claiming.

Beskar

04-02-2010, 00:08

How could a traveller do investigations?

It was the perk of being a Mason. Since I can't copy and paste, I will give you the jist.

- Member of the Lodge of Vienna Freedoms, a goal to better mankind.
- Partner: ACIN
- Passing through fort, storm hit, blah blah
- Rumours of the Evil Orient of the Vienna Freemasons splitgroup about in the fort.
- Can investigate to find these rebel freemasons.
- Investigations have to be both me and ACIN working together.

But it is interesting you missed out the part I admitted and it was said I was a mason, TinCow. Don't try to scum me.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 00:10

Ok.

Supposedly we have two townie mason groups at war with each other. They can investigate. However, neither makes any attempt to do so. Other rumors of two travellers who can kill together.

So I think beskar is not admitting to having 2 person kill ability with acin.

Beskar

04-02-2010, 00:12

Hm. So far so good. Why did you claim you knew things that didn't exist (Such as your awesome secret of doom about my partnership with Subotan?)

I was told you was, from a so-called reliable source. Saying you said it in a post. I went back and read through it and they simply misread it. Didn't bother going "oh, this misread your post." as you would obviously go "that is a convient lie" and I couldn't be bothered with it and if you read my posts, I never called it a secret either, and said that you mentioned it. Which turns out it was a misreading some one made and this got passed onto me.

Beskar

04-02-2010, 00:14

Supposedly we have two townie mason groups at war with each other. They can investigate. However, neither makes any attempt to do so. Other rumors of two travellers who can kill together.

So I think beskar is not admitting to having 2 person kill ability with acin.

Nothing says in my PM about a two-person killing. Plus I never done any two-man killing.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 00:14

Also, after reading Subotan's entry, I believe Reenk was the second Noble Assassin. He knew about the letter sent to me that requested me to kill someone and this day's Subotan post-mortem reveal has something to do with the Holy Roman Empire, which is in consonance with what Reenk partially revealed (Being Holy Roman Empire's Champion) and places them both as a Noble Assassin pair. There is the possibility that they can still recruit. If they can't, that means they are reduced to 1 or no assassins and they can't kill me unless they recruit heavily.

If this is the situation we're involved, we have pretty much won.

It also explains why he attacked me exactly the night after which I posted the announcement. Much like he/Subotan attempted to recruit me, he believed I had been recruited for the Noble Guardians as I was being their mouthpiece, and because of that, they attempted to kill what they thought was a public valuable convert, protector and mouthpiece of the Noble Guardians.

Bah, so you've figured it out. :mean:

However, you aren't correct on why we chose to attack you entirely. Yes we suspected you of being Noble guardian aligned but after we accomplished our victory conditions unexpectedly fast (we didn't even know until a bit after) we basically sat on our butts thinking of what do. Since I felt bad for attacking Secura and throwing the balance off so early (not too bad anymore though - she kinda deserved it) we decided to help the Turks a bit. Subo and I were unstoppable together going through protections and killed Mr. Protown GH. :2thumbsup: Then it was going to be you and Yaro (Sasaki would be alive because we thought he would do damage to his own cause), but Subo died. :sad:

My second partner (who has hidden himself quite nicely) and I just didn't have the right chemistry. :shrug:

TinCow

04-02-2010, 00:18

Yaropolk

04-02-2010, 00:18

Who was your reliable source? He may be a noble assassin. Jolt was clearly their target on the night Reenk died.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 00:19

Interesting, the claim of dueling mason groups is plausible because this game was clearly overloaded with a lot of intertown fighting roles. However, if Csargo and DE were the enemies of Beskar, why would Beskar's role be keeping the game going by itself? Surely he would have won with them being dead.

You haven't found all the Turks. Our continued presence should not prolong the game (we've done our victory). I'd assume the same with the masons.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 00:21

Let's lynch atheotes. Then vig the other two.

Beskar

04-02-2010, 00:22

Who was your reliable source? He may be a noble assassin. Jolt was clearly their target on the night Reenk died.

ACIN said it. He is dead.

Aso TinCow, you are partly correct. I am a town role, Mason is just a slap on. If the evil Orient of Vienna are dead (as I am led to believe they are with various posts) it means I get a major victory, opposed to a victory for getting to the end with the anti-town being dead.

This means two things - If the anti-town are dead, the game still ends even if there are masons from different factions alive.

Secura

04-02-2010, 00:23

(not too bad anymore though - she kinda deserved it)

Why?

TinCow

04-02-2010, 00:23

Let's lynch atheotes. Then vig the other two.

Your blood lust at this point disturbs me. It's been consistent throughout the game. Cool it for a night if you don't want me to do another one of my annoying anti-Sasaki crusades.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 00:27

TinCow

04-02-2010, 00:30

Lynching ath has a good chance at ending the game...but face it, it's impossible for the mafia to win right now. We would just be dragging it out a la "The settlement", except it would be even more inevitable.

I'm perfectly happy with lynching atheotes, but I'm not as confident as you in the final situation. I remain wary of the big lie, and would prefer a night of peace and quiet to reassure me.

Vote: atheotes

Beskar

04-02-2010, 00:31

vote:atheotes

cue: He is always the mafia, and I even told you during the 2nd round.

Yaropolk

04-02-2010, 00:32

unvote beskar; vote khan
Atheotes, khan who are you?

Myrddraal

04-02-2010, 00:54

THE MILL DEMANDS MORE GRIST

If I was Gerard, I'd lock up all the surviors. If before they were infiltrated by pyschopaths, now they all are...

seireikhaan

04-02-2010, 01:04

Right... I haven't been privilege to any investigation results, demon or otherwise, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm a tad slow. So a recap, for slow ol' me here. We've got(allegedly):

Werewolves
Rangers
Demons
Paladins
GuildA
GuildB
Turks
Nobles
Noble Assassins
Town

Is that all? :dizzy2:

With TC's revelation, along with the writeups, I'm willing to call it that we've got two paranoid groups- the paladins and Rangers. I'm gonna say there's not likely any werewolves or demons, and I say this on the grounds that I'm just not sure they'd fit the math of the game. That's a lot of potential recruitment. Plus, it seems so very out of place. There's so little evident from CR's writing that there's anything supernatural going on.

Now, as for lynching... can someone explain the reasoning on Atheotes? I genuinely can't discern the reasoning.

And fyi, I was a traveller. Got promoted to soldier after killing Scienter.

Renata

04-02-2010, 01:08

How is it known that Csargo and DE were Masons? And if they were, then why does Beskar's PM mention Seon?

Renata

04-02-2010, 01:09

Who was your first kill, Khaan?

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 01:13

Why?

Well because of your comments that you hated being Mafia. I just was dismayed at the ungratefulness of your good fortune.

Granted, the Turks did get the shaft with AVSM I agree, but even though I thought you were Mafia and attacked you, as I lamented to CR, Securagate blew up too quickly, you were supposed to be a patsy just incase we needed a bargaining chip to find the noble, it later on became hard to feel sorry for someone who confessed somewhat needlessly (Sigurd and you were neck and neck) and than disparaged the best role in the game. :juggle2:

Subotan

04-02-2010, 01:14

Lynch atheotes, kill beskar and khaan.

THE MILL DEMANDS MORE GRIST
*Sigh*

Beskar is a mason. I kept telling people this yesterday. but would people listen? Noooooo, nobody listens to Subotan, and what happens? People die. Just like when ACIN died. Nobody took the time to ask around or investigate him to discover his true role and another pro-town role was lost.

In case you all little sheepies change your minds now, I recommend that you lynch Sasaki and vig kill atheotes.

Otherwise, none of you are going to leave this fort alive.

Also, after reading Subotan's entry, I believe Reenk was the second Noble Assassin. He knew about the letter sent to me that requested me to kill someone and this day's Subotan post-mortem reveal has something to do with the Holy Roman Empire, which is in consonance with what Reenk partially revealed (Being Holy Roman Empire's Champion) and places them both as a Noble Assassin pair. There is the possibility that they can still recruit. If they can't, that means they are reduced to 1 or no assassins and they can't kill me unless they recruit heavily.

I was already dead when the attack on you happened. :juggle2:

I can't quote my role pm. All I was told is that I am a Mason of Vienna, who is a traveller and could investigate with ACIN. ACIN never wanted to investigate with me for whatever reason. It was said another group called Orient of Vienna are trying to kill us. I didn't know who they were, I didn't know how many they were.

Just like I said :bounce:

This is why I dismissed the claims about being a mason, as the last thing I wanted was being killed by another possible town group.
That's exactly why I was so insistent :beam:

Who was your reliable source? He may be a noble assassin. Jolt was clearly their target on the night Reenk died.
I am a very reliable source y'know

Beskar

04-02-2010, 01:26

And if they were, then why does Beskar's PM mention Seon?

It never did. Yaropolk said Seon was one of the opposites.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 01:27

Let them kill whoever they want Subo, despite essentially being given half the original Turks on the first two eventful nights this town somehow managed to kill nearly every regular role to find the last two, and if they had read their victory conditions carefully, the amount of LIVING townies matters. :beam:

This game should have been nearly as lopsided for the town as Pirate Ship and yet it's going to be a close victory.

I suggest not only vigging Beskar, and khaan, but TinCow as well. His rationalist role may be a cover.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 01:31

The victory conditions are a nice attempt, and well implemented. But people tend to make their own victory conditions.

Renata

04-02-2010, 01:33

Wow, I actually almost agree with you on that last, Reenk. I'm sure that that means TinCow is pure as the driven snow.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 01:34

The victory conditions are a nice attempt, and well implemented. But people tend to make their own victory conditions.

Hmm, I agree and disagree. It's fun to have your own goals in the game for your own fun, but you should play your role and strive for your given victory. As CR stated in the game, this game was somewhat influenced by Capo III and the FBI (except Prole)/CIA disregard for their given goals. It becomes a spoiler. What if I had kept my pact with Beefy in GF3?

So we assassins picked a side (the losing side to help the balance - plus Mafia is always cooler than town) AFTER our victory condition was met.

Wow, I actually almost agree with you on that last, Reenk. I'm sure that that means TinCow is pure as the driven snow.

I'm actually somewhat serious on the TinCow thing (reason I picked him over the other living). Even I was led to believe that there was supernatural in this game (hence my statement when you survived the stab).

I think the demons and stuff are the misleading CR spoke about, but the rationalist role really seems like a cover for TinCow.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 01:39

Hmm, I agree and disagree. It's fun to have your own goals in the game for your own fun, but you should play your role and strive for your given victory. As CR stated in the game, this game was somewhat influenced by Capo III and the FBI (except Prole)/CIA disregard for their given goals. It becomes a spoiler. What if I had kept my pact with Beefy in GF3?

So we assassins picked a side (the losing side to help the balance - plus Mafia is always cooler than town) AFTER our victory condition was met.

I agree as far as not switching sides completely (except in capo), but close victory vs major victory etc is not terribly appealing.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 01:41

I agree as far as not switching sides completely (except in capo), but close victory vs major victory etc is not terribly appealing.

:laugh4: True, but you really went through them like no other.

Secura

04-02-2010, 01:43

Well because of your comments that you hated being Mafia. I just was dismayed at the ungratefulness of your good fortune.

At first, it was very much a case of me looking forward to it; not only did I get to flex my muscles as mafia, but I'd be able to get to know two people in the Gameroom community to boot, as well as any we drafted into our side.

On the first night, the spies didn't do anything whatsoever, whereby we recieved a PM from the host informing us that we were capable of night abilities, haha. We chose our target, and PMs were sent, and during the next write-up it was made clear that we had lost someone pretty much from the off.

I'll admit, right there and then, I was absolutely livid. It felt as though we'd been robbed straight away, and I was already smacking myself over the fact that I had grown so infuriated with the way in which people were treating a close friend; I don't usually get that invested, and I was aware that I'd risked the game for my team in doing so.

Granted, the Turks did get the shaft with AVSM I agree

I believe that's a major understatement, but I'm glad that you agree. It was unfortunate, AVSM apologised but at the end of the day it was up to CR and the roll of the dice, and the dice did not favour us.

It was at this point that I conceded we might have been French Connection UK'd from the off, and I'll admit I sorta gave up at that point; chastise me as you wish for that, but being at a loss on the second night phase was kinda a "WTF" moment for me and I became disillusioned with the game.

Bloody dice.

I thought you were Mafia and attacked you, as I lamented to CR, Securagate blew up too quickly, you were supposed to be a patsy just incase we needed a bargaining chip to find the noble

Hahaha, I like Securagate, pretty witty! But what do you mean by being a bargaining chip? How would that have worked, exactly?

it later on became hard to feel sorry for someone who confessed somewhat needlessly (Sigurd and you were neck and neck)

At the time, opinion had begun to change, people were discussing giving Sigurd a chance and unvoting him; the only logical place to throw their votes was on the bandwagon for me, because nobody had contributed a counterwagon. It was clear that I was going to be lynched, so I gambled, and I can honestly say that it paid off, for the most part.

I claimed not only to give Sigurd a bit of respite, because I'm nice like that, but also to give the remaining mafia a bit of breathing space; I felt that we owed Psychonaut that much, considering he was pretty much up the proverbial creek without a paddle by that point.

I'm afraid that the main focus of the game, which was intended to be Turks vs. Austrian Fort from my perspective at least, may well have been neutered by the Turks themselves (principally myself), for which I can only apologise. I'm glad the town felt other 'worthier' targets to choose, though.

disparaged the best role in the game. :juggle2:

You refer to the Spymaster, right?

Yaropolk

04-02-2010, 01:47

Khaan - you don't think two guys named screwbone and tapeworm or whatever punching me through the wall with their bare hands is supernatural?

As for TC I personally investigated him and found treatises on rational thinking and scientific textbooks in his luggage.

Here is one more piece of info I neglected to mention. When I told Csargo that his vig group would be attacking his sworn enemies, he asked "who, beskar or acin?"

He seemed to know your identities quite well somehow.

atheotes

04-02-2010, 01:47

whoa...thats a lot of new information.
and what is the case against me? that I dont have a power role? :rolleyes:
I got promoted to a soldier today. my only succesful night actions have been the kills of Scienter and ACIN.

Jolt

04-02-2010, 01:49

Good enough.

Vote: No Lynch

Jolt

04-02-2010, 01:49

Forgot to unvote.

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 01:50

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 01:50

Fair enough I understand where you're coming from. I just was awed when you validated Sigurd was some kind of pro town at your own Mafia expense. :shocked2:

As for the bargaining chip, for whatever I got a really good feeling you were a baddy of some sort, so I was going to call my shot, attack you (knowing I probably would not succeed without another Assassin - we're fairly normal alone) and put pressure on you in the thread. I honestly thought people would let you be because you contributed so much so you seemed like an asset while they would foolishly go kill a lurker. Later on your Mafianess could be confirmed and I could look protown. But I guess the curse of Kage hit hard.

You were really a spymaster? I thought that part was BS. :huh:

Jolt

04-02-2010, 02:01

It felt as though we'd been robbed straight away, and I was already smacking myself over the fact that I had grown so infuriated with the way in which people were treating a close friend; I don't usually get that invested, and I was aware that I'd risked the game for my team in doing so.

You should read "The Settlement", hosted by our Reenk Roink himself. It was my only game as Mafia so far. And we did have gigantic bad luck as well.

Our strongest member killed someone who reveals its killer on the first night, I can't remember what happened to Andres, but he was discovered a long while into the game, then I got role-blocked and investigated by the supreme investigator in unrelated actions in the same night. We still managed to get pretty far, up to the final five members (Well, boudica did). Not to mention the game was absolutely riddled with investigators. We spent most of our time trying to find the investigators and killing them than doing anything else. :)

Secura

04-02-2010, 02:02

I just was awed when you validated Sigurd was some kind of pro town at your own Mafia expense. :shocked2:

Well now you can see why I don't like playing as mafia; I felt guilty at the treatment he was recieving from the town, knew the tide was going to shift anyway so did what I did; a shame he was killed overnight anyway. I'll always prefer playing town over playing mafia.

You were really a spymaster? I thought that part was BS. :huh:

The Spymaster? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4axo9rmJY)

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 02:12

You should read "The Settlement", hosted by our Reenk Roink himself. It was my only game as Mafia so far. And we did have gigantic bad luck as well.

Our strongest member killed someone who reveals its killer on the first night, I can't remember what happened to Andres, but he was discovered a long while into the game, then I got role-blocked and investigated by the supreme investigator in unrelated actions in the same night. We still managed to get pretty far, up to the final five members (Well, boudica did). Not to mention the game was absolutely riddled with investigators. We spent most of our time trying to find the investigators and killing them than doing anything else. :)

Yeah that game burned out too fast. Aside from you usurpers, TinCow was disgustingly the subject of about 4 investigations the first night (a rationalist type role in that game too why do you think I think it's fake :beam:), and CA played it brilliantly, possibly the best performance I have seen but had really ill luck. Luckily you guys vastly outplayed the town in general making the protown group useless, though Yoyoma's elite investigator group carried the day.

Pirate Ship Mafia was definitely the worst in terms of luck for the Mafia... :shame:

Yaropolk

04-02-2010, 02:13

Sigurd is still very much alive.

Sigurd

04-02-2010, 02:19

You keep calling us Paladins and I guess that is Yaropolk's fault.

I am his apprentice and I am sorry to say that the old man is, well how should I put it, in a state of shock after our last investigations in Hungary.
Some grizzly murders had hit a few towns and my mentor the Palantine (not Paladin) became convinced it was the work of strigoi. We have followed the tracks of these murderers here and they revealed themselves the night they attacked Yaropolk.

I carried a few letters of Palatinate commendation for assistance. Askthepizzaguy was offered one but I was told by the host that he was not recruitable. Sasaki was offered one and accepted. Jolt was offered the last one and he accepted.

I was told by the host that the demon could not die a conventional death and I should be on the outlook for miraculous survivors. Renata was the only one that we knew of that had such a miraculous survival. I am sorry but we ordered your death. If you were a demon, you would have survived. It's like throwing you in the lake to see if you float, kind of thing, I know. Sorry about that.

We didn't investigate Split though, so we are not 100% sure he was the "demon". I am sure in our narrow mindedness (the eye of the tiger) we have overlooked many things, but our victory condition is that of killing the demon (singular) if we kill the demon and both me and Yaropolk survives, we reach our Great victory. It does however state that if my mentor at least believes we killed the demon, we will achieve victory.

We have spent much town resources on this "demon" hunt, which I now hope is finished.
I would like to point out that our investigations were only clearing people of being "demons". Of those investigations we have many.
But I would like to add that we had a suspicious investigation on Psychonaut. And he was later revealed to be Mafia. We also had a suspicious investigation of Csargo, Subotan and if I am not mistaken Yaseikhaan. Yaropolk asked me to do a deep scan of him, but apparently did one himself. So - if, and this is only my thoughts, our initial scans are able to detect some special role, anti-town or not, we got a suspicious result on Psychonaut. the exact wording was: "Psychonaut does have a few disturbing clues that indicate he might be the demon". I didn't investigate Yaseikhaan and Yaropolk might have to dig out his results and check them.

Secura

04-02-2010, 02:21

Sigurd is still very much alive.

My bad... hard to keep up with all the vigilante killings going on. :3

Askthepizzaguy

04-02-2010, 02:34

Sigurd is still very much alive.

He just goes into a catatonic state once in a while, while he's plotting his takeover. A master and an apprentice, you say? Do you carry red lightsabers as well? If you strike me down I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, and such.

:laugh4:

Oh I want to play the Star Wars game. Must.... be.... patient....

Sigurd

04-02-2010, 02:35

I'll vote Yaseikhaan.
He was a demon suspect once along with both Psychonaut and Subotan, who were Mafia and assassin respectively.

vote: Yaseikhaan

Sigurd

04-02-2010, 02:41

He just goes into a catatonic state once in a while, while he's plotting his takeover. A master and an apprentice, you say? Do you carry red lightsabers as well? If you strike me down I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, and such.

:laugh4:

Oh I want to play the Star Wars game. Must.... be.... patient....

I made a new video today for that game... maybe I should give you a sneak preview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VfPLudHnh8) of it.

Yaropolk

04-02-2010, 02:44

Yes, the paladin thing was a bit of a ruse I'm afraid, a bit of a public relations move. It sounds much more pro-town than crazy hungarian demon hunter. However, the gist is the same, we haven't killed anyone prior to last night, and don't plan to after today. I figured our invitation letter would read from the Palatinate of Hungary and that would be close enough. My deep investigation revealed Yaseikhaan is not the demon, but the initial did return as "suspicious." I'm going to keep my vote on Khaan.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 02:44

unvote, vote:khaan

Askthepizzaguy

04-02-2010, 02:47

unvote, vote: Yaseikhaan

May God have mercy on our souls.

TinCow

04-02-2010, 03:08

Great, I am well and truly boned then. You guys killed, what, 3 or 4 people then in your hunt for the demon, despite what I've said to you from the very beginning AND the fact that there was nothing remotely suspicious until the attack on Yaropolk?

Surely this:

It does however state that if my mentor at least believes we killed the demon, we will achieve victory.

should have been good enough to convince you how much of a fool's errand you were on. All you had to do to win was stop believing there was a demon out there... and yet you continued to do so, despite me telling you (independently, and with no prompting from you) that there were no demons. :wall:

Scienter

04-02-2010, 03:09

And fyi, I was a traveller. Got promoted to soldier after killing Scienter.

:whip: You got promoted for killing a fellow townie. We had a name for people like you in law school...

:wink:

Askthepizzaguy

04-02-2010, 03:47

should have been good enough to convince you how much of a fool's errand you were on. All you had to do to win was stop believing there was a demon out there... and yet you continued to do so, despite me telling you (independently, and with no prompting from you) that there were no demons. :wall:

Do you mean that it is possible that the demon attack was a figment of his imagination?

That would be an awesome game mechanic. Because he imagines there is a demon, there actually was one. :shocked:

White_eyes:D

04-02-2010, 03:52

Vote: Yaseikhaan I hate backstabbing people who were in vig groups(brings back shlin28 memories:shame:)....but it's Khaan so it's ok:laugh4:(He would do it to me in a heartbeat)

TinCow

04-02-2010, 04:15

Do you mean that it is possible that the demon attack was a figment of his imagination?

That would be an awesome game mechanic. Because he imagines there is a demon, there actually was one. :shocked:

First, there is nothing demonic in that write-up. It was an attack by two human beings on another human being. This is Austria in the 16th Century, it's not Vampire Land the Movie, Part II: Vampires in Paradise.

Second, clearly I believed the attack on him was a real threat, otherwise I wouldn't have then helped him kill for two nights in a row.

This is what I am annoyed about:

I was told by the host that the demon could not die a conventional death and I should be on the outlook for miraculous survivors. Renata was the only one that we knew of that had such a miraculous survival. I am sorry but we ordered your death. If you were a demon, you would have survived. It's like throwing you in the lake to see if you float, kind of thing, I know. Sorry about that.
because that is precisely what they promised they would NOT DO.

Askthepizzaguy

04-02-2010, 04:26

I promised there would be a cease-fire between myself and the noble assassins, and then I went and killed Subotan.*

Promises are kind of tough when you have a victory condition which necessitates breaking the promise.

edit- errr actually that was beforehand. My bad.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 04:28

because that is precisely what they promised they would NOT DO.

I didn't attack renata like she was a demon though.

Yaropolk

04-02-2010, 04:39

TC - the Renata kill was a solo Sasaki effort. I knew about it but had no hand in organizing it.

If the demon attack was me going fight club on myself, then my hat is off to CR for great storytelling

atheotes

04-02-2010, 05:33

1. You are mafia
2. Mafia should be lynched
3. Therefore, you should be lynched

1. You are Wrong (not for the first time in this game)
2. True statement
3. Invalid.

I think this is the 3rd phase you are calling for my lynch. Wonder why you have never had me investigated? :inquisitive:
you might want to take a look at your choices for vigs and see how wrong you have been the entire game. I have not hidden any of my actions right from the start of the game. Anyways, you have been picking questions you want to respond to. perhaps i should not expect an answer for this as well. :shrug:
It would have been sweet if i was mafia and made it this far under so much attention. :yes:

@ Beskar - I cant believe you are still talking about the tampered PM as if it were true. I would like to hear what you say about it at the end of the game. :laugh4:

@ Yaropolk and TC - i have been calling for protection groups for the precise reason that mafia can hide in vig groups. I argued with a few people last phase as well. The irony is that i was told to provide an alibi by participating in a vig kill :surprised:

a completely inoffensive name

04-02-2010, 07:06

****. Once again, my friggen curse has struck me again of getting near the end and dying like 5 or less cycles away from the game ending.

1. beskar is right in my role, we were supposed to work together. we didnt because i was lazy/too busy to message him and do stuff together.
2. I mostly did nothing this game.
3. I joined up with Subo and Reenk in investigating people and killing the noble or whatever (I really didnt care I just wanted to be a part of something). Subo and Reenk died before I could anything with them though.
4. I did not kill anyone, like I said I did nothing this game.
5. No dead people were talking to me, I just said that for the lulz. I liked how everyone was freaking out about that and I knew that since I was out of the loop i would be dying from the vig group any night now.

That's about it. I swear to god, I need to friggen survive one darn Mafia game at some point, this is just getting ridiculous.

i can honestly say, the mafia are probably going to win this game. The vig people here are either incredibly retarded to kill me, a dude who did nothing on the basis i have been going around killing dudes and getting absorbed by the mafia or it is being purposely manipulated my one or more mafia.

White_eyes:D

04-02-2010, 08:03

"Doing nothing" in a large game...???? I almost felt like having a fight with ATPG over what night action we should do....we almost never agreed.....that's what killed pevergreen in the end.:shame:

Rule #1 of a large game like Capo or Pirate ship: Always do night actions or be lynch bait/killed.:yes:

I recall how I was nearly lynched/killed in both games....and always because I was not in a group:jawdrop:(Sasaki was going to kill me in the first round of Capo 3, not sure how I avoided that one and in Pirate ship, Pizzaguy hung me out to dry for a lynch after I said in a PM "I don't trust you":laugh4:)

Edit:If it hadn't have been for CR I would have been swimming with the sharks...:sweatdrop:

Edit2:I am going to take this time to say who was leading the Pro-town efforts in those games and rate there score as who they stack up to.:cool:

Capo 3:ATPG was the townie leader for this and the body count was pretty high...I would rate him as "Julius Caesar" because if he had not delivered....he would have died....always seems to get help from the Plebs townies too.:laugh4:

Pirate Ship:CR was hands down, the best townie leader....but it had mostly to do with the FH killing all the mafia and him not killing them....CR gave the "benefit of the doubt" to too many people though(which saved my bacon but let Reenk and TinCow escape). I would rate him as "Henry Morgan" as was our innocent and law abiding captain.:balloon2:

Shadow Fort:Sasaki's words carried A LOT of weight for a guy who mass murdered half of town(I still agreed with it:laugh4:)....he is more like the guy in this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7VMilzvIV4&feature=related

Askthepizzaguy

04-02-2010, 09:25

White_eyes:D

04-02-2010, 09:52

On the plus side, I reversed that decision because I felt that if anyone would freak out for absolutely no reason, it would be you, White_Eyes.

Had anyone else done it, it would have been evidence of scum.Your sort of right.....Only time as scum I ever freaked would be "Godfather3"....I did it for you, Beefy~:mecry:

Edit:But then...that's how I knew Psychos investigator role was fake.:shrug:(But even a blind man could see that...)

Subotan

04-02-2010, 10:19

So we assassins picked a side (the losing side to help the balance - plus Mafia is always cooler than town) AFTER our victory condition was met.
Eh, I played pro-town up until immediately before my death, after which I had to blatantly lie to you all to stay alive. Which didn't work, cos you all failed to protect a pro-town role. I then felt I could sat what I liked without fear of being lynched, as an obvious KILL SASAKI would have been dismissed as "scummy"

Joooray

04-02-2010, 11:46

Eh, I played pro-town up until immediately before my death, after which I had to blatantly lie to you all to stay alive. Which didn't work, cos you all failed to protect a pro-town role. I then felt I could sat what I liked without fear of being lynched, as an obvious KILL SASAKI would have been dismissed as "scummy"

So you and Reenk killed GH, thanks a lot. :stare:
BTW: Don't get too cocky about killing him though he was protected. That was only me protecting him.

TinCow

04-02-2010, 11:59

@ Yaropolk and TC - i have been calling for protection groups for the precise reason that mafia can hide in vig groups. I argued with a few people last phase as well. The irony is that i was told to provide an alibi by participating in a vig kill :surprised:

Who do you believe is the remaining scum then?

Renata

04-02-2010, 13:16

You keep calling us Paladins and I guess that is Yaropolk's fault.

I am his apprentice and I am sorry to say that the old man is, well how should I put it, in a state of shock after our last investigations in Hungary.
Some grizzly murders had hit a few towns and my mentor the Palantine (not Paladin) became convinced it was the work of strigoi. We have followed the tracks of these murderers here and they revealed themselves the night they attacked Yaropolk.

I carried a few letters of Palatinate commendation for assistance. Askthepizzaguy was offered one but I was told by the host that he was not recruitable. Sasaki was offered one and accepted. Jolt was offered the last one and he accepted.

You know, I ranted to ATPG about this at one point, I may as well say it here too, since you've brought it up. Why did you recruit pro-towns? People who were likely unrecruitable by the Turks? By failing to recruit the people (soldiers and travellers) who *needed* to be recruited to have any chance at a decent victory level, not only did you run a much higher risk of refusal, but you also most likely contributed to more travellers and soldiers accepting the Turks' offers. I truly don't understand this. You failed to offer any of us something we were promised as a possibility going in, gave the Mafia a clear field, and helped ensure the ultimate death of all basic townies to boot. If even one survives the game in any form (recruited or whatever) it'll be a miracle.

I'm not singling just you and Yaropolk out; as far as I'm aware no pro-town or neutral faction recruited a basic townie in this game, ever.

I was told by the host that the demon could not die a conventional death and I should be on the outlook for miraculous survivors. Renata was the only one that we knew of that had such a miraculous survival. I am sorry but we ordered your death. If you were a demon, you would have survived. It's like throwing you in the lake to see if you float, kind of thing, I know. Sorry about that.

This part I can't really blame you for. If not for the stupid cake I'd have been dead several days earlier, anyway.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 13:31

Eh, I played pro-town up until immediately before my death, after which I had to blatantly lie to you all to stay alive. Which didn't work, cos you all failed to protect a pro-town role. I then felt I could sat what I liked without fear of being lynched, as an obvious KILL SASAKI would have been dismissed as "scummy"

Yeah, this is actually true. I was always talking about how to get back at everyone who voted for me and help the Turks. I do believe's Subo's heart was probably with the town. Good job for letting him get killed. :shrug:

TinCow

04-02-2010, 14:02

Unvote; Vote: 'khaan

atheotes' defense is acceptable. 'khaan's post is nothing but fluff analysis without substance or effort.

Joooray

04-02-2010, 14:13

Just realized that I didn't vote. Alright then, seems 'khaan is the choice of the day. Vote: Yaseikhaan.

seireikhaan

04-02-2010, 14:41

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Oh, this'll be a joy to explain.

TinCow

04-02-2010, 14:55

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Oh, this'll be a joy to explain.

Why don't you start by answering this question (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2461535&viewfull=1#post2461535).

Jolt

04-02-2010, 15:36

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Oh, this'll be a joy to explain.

Going by this post, I'd say we have won.

Unvote, Vote: Yaseikhaan

seireikhaan

04-02-2010, 15:58

Why don't you start by answering this question (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2461535&viewfull=1#post2461535).
Sure, why not?

First kill was Myrddraal. My beloved thought he was being a nuisance. I personally had no vendetta, but what is one to do in the face of potential wrath?

Of course, she won't like it much that I'm being lynched either. Wonder who's next?

Myrddraal

04-02-2010, 16:06

Hmm, what I don't get is the crossbows. Are they a sign of mafia or not? Reenk's attack involved a crossbow, but now we find he isn't mafia.

TinCow

04-02-2010, 16:22

First kill was Myrddraal. My beloved thought he was being a nuisance. I personally had no vendetta, but what is one to do in the face of potential wrath?

Of course, she won't like it much that I'm being lynched either. Wonder who's next?

Your beloved? :inquisitive: Also, Myrddraal was killed by 2 people (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127006-The-Shadow-Fort-Summary-Thread&p=2457570&viewfull=1#post2457570). 2 travelers cannot kill together. Therefore you were never a traveler.

Jolt

04-02-2010, 16:29

Your beloved? :inquisitive: Also, Myrddraal was killed by 2 people (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127006-The-Shadow-Fort-Summary-Thread&p=2457570&viewfull=1#post2457570). 2 travelers cannot kill together. Therefore you were never a traveler.

Ouch. Looks like he just shot himself in the foot.

Well played, town.

atheotes

04-02-2010, 16:34

Who do you believe is the remaining scum then?

Here is the list of people alive from the writeup:

spL1tp3r50naL1ty- dead already

Yaropolk, Sigurd, Jolt, Sasaki Kojiro - All 4 are the same factionand are being considered not part of the town's victory condition - My only gripe is they were claiming that Sergeants and Warriors cannot be recruited till it was revealed they have been recruited. Now the "cannot be recruited" has been saddled with an additional "by anti-town" clause. I dont trust them. But i dont think they are the scum we are after.

Askthepizzaguy, White_eyes:D - Noble Guardians - to my dislike they have been doing vigs uncalled for. I dont think they are scum since it has been corroborated by write-ups, reveals etc
Joooray - Claims Ranger with GH. Sounds plausible based on other information.
TinCow - I am not sure what to make of your role...But the fact that you have been in touch with Yaropolk since the beginning and seem to have claimed very early makes me think you are not scum.
Yaseikhaan - I have no idea who he is. I cannot make sense of his recent claim either
Beskar - He is claiming a Mason group with ACIN....though they were never active. My only question is, Why did ACIN show up as a demon in Yaropolk's investigation?
atheotes - Of all the people alive i am the only who is not a power role. Can any of you still recruit? how about offering me and we can clear a few things?

@ Jooray - Can you recruit?

atheotes

04-02-2010, 16:37

Jolt

04-02-2010, 16:39

Now the "cannot be recruited" has been saddled with an additional "by anti-town" clause.

I'll tell you what: Go to my original role revelation and tell if me if right there and then I hadn't already said I wasn't able to be recruited by Anti-Town ONLY. I could still be recruited for Town factions.

And that was in the game's beginning. There was no "correction" or "addition" like you say there was.

EDIT: Also, before the game ends, I still believe Reenk is Mafia. Since the Noble Assassins attempted to recruit me, that means they weren't Anti-Town. Therefore, it makes little sense for Reenk to start killing Pro-Town people that had nothing to do with the Noble subject and that if he was helping the Turks, it only meant he was decreasing his own chances of winning. Since that doesn't make any sense, all that remains is that he too is a Turk.

atheotes

04-02-2010, 16:46

I'll tell you what: Go to my original role revelation and tell if me if right there and then I hadn't already said I wasn't able to be recruited by Anti-Town ONLY. I could still be recruited for Town factions.

And that was in the game's beginning. There was no "correction" or "addition" like you say there was.

EDIT: Also, before the game ends, I still believe Reenk is Mafia. Since the Noble Assassins attempted to recruit me, that means they weren't Anti-Town. Therefore, it makes little sense for Reenk to start killing Pro-Town people that had nothing to do with the Noble subject and that if he was helping the Turks, it only meant he was decreasing his own chances of winning. Since that doesn't make any sense, all that remains is that he too is a Turk.

Unfortunately, i did not see your role PM. I am only talking about what was claimed in the thread (Sasaki?). Maybe it was self-evident to people who had seen that role-pm. and this is not the first time i have brought it up either.

Beskar

04-02-2010, 16:47

seireikhaan

04-02-2010, 17:13

Your beloved? :inquisitive: Also, Myrddraal was killed by 2 people (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127006-The-Shadow-Fort-Summary-Thread&p=2457570&viewfull=1#post2457570). 2 travelers cannot kill together. Therefore you were never a traveler.
I believe you will get to know her well quite soon, blasphemer. Not in the manner I did, of course... none shall know her like I did.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-02-2010, 17:16

I wouldn't be so sure khaan. I saw her in the tavern and she was eye-knowing the heck out of me.

atheotes

04-02-2010, 17:21

huh? :huh2:

seireikhaan

04-02-2010, 17:38

Yes, I know she paid you a visit. I did not say I was the only one to obtain her grace- just that mine was unique, compared to the others. :yes:

I'm still ashamed that she did not have the confidence that I could slay Myrddraal myself. :shame:

Jolt

04-02-2010, 17:38

Unfortunately, i did not see your role PM. I am only talking about what was claimed in the thread (Sasaki?). Maybe it was self-evident to people who had seen that role-pm. and this is not the first time i have brought it up either.

No, I removed the Role PM, but I left what my character could and couldn't do. In there, it is written that I cannot be converted to any Anti-Town group. So it wasn't about this "last hour - on the spot saying we couldn't convert to Anti-Town". It's been there since I revealed.

EDIT: Not that it matters, as the game is probably over.

TinCow

04-02-2010, 18:36

I believe you will get to know her well quite soon, blasphemer. Not in the manner I did, of course... none shall know her like I did.

As a Royal Physician, I believe I should warn you about the dangers of the French Pox.

Joooray

04-02-2010, 20:56

@ Jooray - Can you recruit?

No, we are rangers and trackers, you gotta be born for that. :yes:

Askthepizzaguy

04-02-2010, 21:32

Jolt

04-02-2010, 22:00

I was asked by Yaropolk to organize everyone for tonight's actions, because he's busy at the moment. I'm willing to do so, but I wanted to announce this publicly in case people were like "why the heck are YOU in charge now?"

Just doing mah job.

The orders are for everyone to protect me. Then if any of you is attacked, I will simply step up and kill whoever is attacking. :D

atheotes

04-02-2010, 22:21

No, we are rangers and trackers, you gotta be born for that. :yes:

:sad:

So no one alive has recruiting power any more? :sad:

if you offer to recruit me, i will accept and that will clear me.

Reenk Roink

04-02-2010, 22:25

EDIT: Also, before the game ends, I still believe Reenk is Mafia. Since the Noble Assassins attempted to recruit me, that means they weren't Anti-Town. Therefore, it makes little sense for Reenk to start killing Pro-Town people that had nothing to do with the Noble subject and that if he was helping the Turks, it only meant he was decreasing his own chances of winning. Since that doesn't make any sense, all that remains is that he too is a Turk.

Sad, you had it and now you lose it... :rolleyes: Quoted for endgame. :beam:

Jolt

04-02-2010, 22:42

:sad:

So no one alive has recruiting power any more? :sad:

if you offer to recruit me, i will accept and that will clear me.

Yaseikhaan might have a converting ability! :wink:

Crazed Rabbit

04-03-2010, 06:24

The Shadow Fort, End of Day Nine

"The votes are in, sir," said Hans.

Gerard looked up from his seat, "Are they? Very good."

They both went to the main hall of the keep where the survivors were gathered.

"I wonder who shall die at the whim of the crowd today?" mused Hans.

Gerard addressed the assembly, "And who have you marked for death today?"

Everyone pointed to Yasekhaan.

"Almost like a pack of wolves, ganging up on one target," said Hans.

"No disagreement?" asked Gerard, oddly calm, "Are you still trying to find the killers? Or just looking to vote for anyone but yourselves?"

No one answered.

"I suppose if we've committed to this mad course we must see it through," said Hans.

"Very well," said Gerard to the crowd, "Take him to the gallows. If we are doomed we may as well stay on the path chosen. No sense bothering to take some other road to our doom."

Yaseikhaan was taken to the gallows, speaking about his 'beloved'.

Gerard stared as Yasekhaan was hung, while Hans looked on, smiling.

"We must be reaching the end soon," Hans said, excitedly.

Gerard grinned in reply.

"Well now, try not to get killed tonight, or you'll miss the chance to be hung tomorrow!" Gerard exclaimed to the people before retiring to his room.

It is now the night phase! This phase will last for 36 hours, until 11 am PST Sunday April 4th!

Alive:
Beskar
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Sigurd

Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9

Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A