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Tally:
Jolt (4) - Methos, Askthepizzaguy, Yaropolk, TM
Csargo (2) - Sasaki, atheotes
TinCow (2) - Beskar, Renata
Methos (2) - Subotan, TinCow
Askthepizzaguy (1) - Jolt
Jolt survives two vig-hits and now he won't role-claim to relive suspicion?:inquisitive: Vote:Jolt
If I do anything at night, other then nothing I will PM you Sasaki:laugh4:
Two Vig-hits? Hehe. Someone seems to be trying too hard.
Big FoS: White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 22:22
Perhaps because:
Sigurd had second most votes..
That's not a good reason, and I don't believe it.
Just to clarify, since this hit appears to be your work or at least due to your influence, you believed that Cent was the TOP suspect for mafioso as of last night?
The top suspect, but not my work and not my influence.
Jolt survives two vig-hits and now he won't role-claim to relive suspicion?:inquisitive: Vote:Jolt
If I do anything at night, other then nothing I will PM you Sasaki:laugh4:
unvote, vote:white_eyes
I think white eyes is guilty. Bad bandwagon here, lurking, not playing like white_eyes--townie.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 22:22
why are you making an excuse for him? you know something we dont? :inquisitive:
Unfortunately, I don't. If I would knew something I would share it.
Jolt, at this point, if you are innocent, it doesn't matter about revealing your identity anymore because we all know that you are not a normal traveler/soldier. Therefore I suggest you reveal your identity.
How do you know that Seon? I'm glad my bandwagon is attracting people to it.
That's not a good reason, and I don't believe it.
The top suspect, but not my work and not my influence.
unvote, vote:white_eyes
I think white eyes is guilty. Bad bandwagon here, lurking, not playing like white_eyes--townie.
Too true. Lousy excuse to jump on my bandwagon, making stuff up about me (I'm still watching your vote TM)
Unvote: Vote: White_Eyes:D
I am currently in Beskar's company and he seems to believe that TinCow is one of my scum buddies! :P
Also, am I the only one here who believes that Jolt is just a Sergeant? -_-'
Not particularly. It seemed the obvious claim, but he failed to make it in a timely fashion.
How do you know that Seon? I'm glad my bandwagon is attracting people to it.
Unless I am completely misinformed, normal people don't go around totting massive halbreds and chopping cobblestones in half.
Don't vote for Jolt, he is obviously not a Mafia.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 22:25
How do you know that Seon? I'm glad my bandwagon is attracting people to it.
Because if you are just a Traveler/Soldier then you couldn't possibly survive against 4 attackers.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 22:25
Jolt, at this point, if you are innocent, it doesn't matter about revealing your identity anymore because we all know that you are not a normal traveler/soldier. Therefore I suggest you reveal your identity.
I'm remembering something now from Midgard I, which also had die roll fights in it. Pevergreen (or somebody, can't remember) fought with god-like ability in the write up and then claimed basic town, lowest of the low as far as skill goes. We lynched him and lost, and sigurd said that in his system he did the dice roll and wrote the writeup based on the roll not the role. It could be the same thing here.
Jolt doesn't seem that suspicious. Votes are not warranted.
Unless I am completely misinformed, normal people don't go around totting massive halbreds and chopping cobblestones in half.
Last time I checked, the character in Assassin's Creed doesn't run around with a Halberd and Armour like one of the soldiers you kill in the game.
I'm remembering something now from Midgard I, which also had die roll fights in it. Pevergreen (or somebody, can't remember) fought with god-like ability in the write up and then claimed basic town, lowest of the low as far as skill goes. We lynched him and lost, and sigurd said that in his system he did the dice roll and wrote the writeup based on the roll not the role. It could be the same thing here.
Jolt doesn't seem that suspicious. Votes are not warranted.
Remember TinCow in Swords of the Moon? He had 2% chance of winning and he did, winning the duel against this uber warrior, then he was lynched.
Because if you are just a Traveler/Soldier then you couldn't possibly survive against 4 attackers.
I'll quote you on that later on.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 22:26
Unless I am completely misinformed, normal people don't go around totting massive halbreds and chopping cobblestones in half.
He didn't. He was attacked.
Normal people don't attack others in dark alleys.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 22:26
Not particularly. It seemed the obvious claim, but he failed to make it in a timely fashion.
And why would mafia not make that claim? Sargent/halberd seems fitting.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 22:27
More and more I find Seon to be suspicious.
Vote: Seon
And why would mafia not make that claim? Sargent/halberd seems fitting.
That's precisely what I said.
It seems that no matter what Jolt says, he's going to be marked for death; if he confesses to being a Sergeant, the anti-town elements will want such a strong role dead. If he doesn't role-claim, you guys will lynch him.
Catch 22.
More and more I find Seon to be suspicious.
Vote: Seon
Not really. White_Eyes just made the scummiest post ever by launching himself into my bandwagon. If Seon is Mafia, then at least he's a little smarter.
Reenk Roink
03-18-2010, 22:29
Csargo was one of the people who contacted me for the vig hit on Sigurd but I didn't get the time to coordinate it. He must have just sent in an order himself Anyone who votes for Csargo opens themselves up to vig hits by Reenk and friends. :stare:
Vote: Sigurd
Also, unvote: TinCow been informed about the suspicions, at least he isn't a turkish spy.
White_eyes:D
03-18-2010, 22:30
Not really. White_Eyes just made the scummiest post ever by launching himself into my bandwagon. If Seon is Mafia, then at least he's a little smarter.I beat Berkar....YES!!!!!:bounce:
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 22:31
Not really. White_Eyes just made the scummiest post ever by launching himself into my bandwagon. If Seon is Mafia, then at least he's a little smarter.
It's hard to notice all these posts when people are replying in the same time.
White_eyes:D
03-18-2010, 22:32
Why? did Jolt have that many votes on him?:rolleyes:
That's precisely what I said.
It seems that no matter what Jolt says, he's going to be marked for death; if he confesses to being a Sergeant, the anti-town elements will want such a strong role dead. If he doesn't role-claim, you guys will lynch him.
Catch 22.
The beauty is that I hope at least some Mafiosi have stuck on my bandwagon. Once my autopsy comes back, you'll be looking at those who lynched a townie for no reason. If all my voters are townies then I will bang my head in the wall at the stupidity.
Still, I'm mildly optmistic that I may live this phase.
Remember TinCow in Swords of the Moon? He had 2% chance of winning and he did, winning the duel against this uber warrior, then he was lynched.
No Beskar! Do not ruin their greatly elaborated argument for voting for me!
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2010, 22:41
Too much to keep up on with Mafia IX and March Madness going on. From what I gather Jolt is innocent; I don't think his reaction would be this extreme were he guilty. I'll therefore vote with Reenk, which is always a wise and noble thing to do:
Vote: Sigurd
I'd like to point something funny out; prior to this phase, Jolt had posted around six or seven times.
Since his accusation, his post count has increased to twenty-four. Nothing like a bit of pressure, huh? :P
I'd like to point something funny out; prior to this phase, Jolt had posted around six or seven times.
Since his accusation, his post count has increased to twenty-four. Nothing like a bit of pressure, huh? :P
I was warned by Crazed Rabbit against inactivity as I was inactive. So I was getting back into reading the thread when Winston Hughes approached me. And now this happens that involved me directly and it pissed me off. Notice in my first post it was only a rant against WH and had no pressure on me.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2010, 23:00
You're getting somewhere. But what you fail to realize things I said between the lines. And yes, I am pissed at everyone who attacked me.
That's unfortunate, but it won't and shouldn't stop others from playing the game as they see fit.
then I said I'm willing to look it over.
I'm sure you are.
Also, you are partially correct in the last part. I've got nothing to claim because I haven't done anything and so far there isn't any convincing argument that compels to make me reveal publicly.
Suit yourself.
Why don't you reveal as well?
:laugh4:
Sure, we'll get right on that, since you've been so kind as to reveal your role.
As I said before, you are painting a bulls-eye on your backs, which will be evident if I die at my reveal. So your decision (And from the other people who are voting for me without any proof of anything) to remove the vote will impact your game.
Again, not something I really fear or care about.
That's unfortunate, but it won't and shouldn't stop others from playing the game as they see fit.
Exactly. It applies to everyone.
I'm sure you are.
Why wouldn't I?
:laugh4:
Sure, we'll get right on that, since you've been so kind as to reveal your role.
I'm glad you understand my predicament.
Kagemusha
03-18-2010, 23:18
I find it interesting how fast people are forgetting about Sasaki and Sigurd. I am personally sorry to see that more vig kills did not happen specially if the numbers of spies are getting bigger.
Splitpersonality
03-18-2010, 23:25
As I said before, you are painting a bulls-eye on your backs, which will be evident if I die at my reveal. So your decision (And from the other people who are voting for me without any proof of anything) to remove the vote will impact your game.
This irks me.
Up until now I have been on your side Jolt, being unfairly attacked and all with no cause nor reason, but this just rubs me the wrong way. it almost seems as if you're threataning the people who vote agaisnt you, yet you've already said you're not Pro-town, nor Mafia :confused:.
If you're not confident revealing in public, perhaps you can reveal to someone in private and have them vouch for you? I know that's an odd idea but, it seems the only way both sides will be pleased at all :/
Sorry for being so late in on the discussion, got hoe like 10 pm last night and just slept...
If you're not confident revealing in public, perhaps you can reveal to someone in private and have them vouch for you? I know that's an odd idea but, it seems the only way both sides will be pleased at all :/
I think this is a great idea every mafioso should make use of so we can be confident that as every scumbuddy vouching for the mafioso does not want to see the mafioso lynched, then there is no possibility of bias or tampering with the role reveal.
This irks me.
Up until now I have been on your side Jolt, being unfairly attacked and all with no cause nor reason, but this just rubs me the wrong way. it almost seems as if you're threataning the people who vote agaisnt you, yet you've already said you're not Pro-town, nor Mafia :confused:.
How does it irk you?
I am being set-up. I know I'm not Mafia. And whoever is voting against STILL hasn't given a reason to. And eventually they'll know (When my identity is revealed), I am not Mafia. That means that once my identity is revealed, I will be there to smile and point fingers to those are in the bandwagon. To those who are voting without reason.
If you're not confident revealing in public, perhaps you can reveal to someone in private and have them vouch for you? I know that's an odd idea but, it seems the only way both sides will be pleased at all :/
Curiously, that has already been proposed to me and I already did that.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2010, 23:32
Agreed; at this point it's already known that Jolt is either mafia or an important role of some kind, or he would have simply revealed his non-important role.
So, the only person Jolt is trying to fool at this point is the town, considering if he's innocent the mafia already know what he is, or more precisely, what he is not.
The only faction Jolt is helping by not revealing here is the mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 23:35
Jolt revealed to me, I can vouch for him.
Agreed; at this point it's already known that Jolt is either mafia or an important role of some kind, or he would have simply revealed his non-important role.
I think his decision not to reveal is a good one.
So, the only person Jolt is trying to fool at this point is the town, considering if he's innocent the mafia already know what he is, or more precisely, what he is not.
The only faction Jolt is helping by not revealing here is the mafia.
The mafia aren't all knowing. The town can help themselves by getting back on track.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2010, 23:36
Jolt revealed to me, I can vouch for him.
He didn't reveal to me, and I can't.
The only faction Jolt is helping by not revealing here is the mafia.
:curtain:
Yaropolk
03-18-2010, 23:39
Csargo was one of the people who contacted me for the vig hit on Sigurd but I didn't get the time to coordinate it. He must have just sent in an order himself Anyone who votes for Csargo opens themselves up to vig hits by Reenk and friends. :stare:
Who are the friends who were supposed to be in this group but were otherwise occupied?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 23:41
He didn't reveal to me, and I can't.
Who can you vouch for?
Jolts story makes sense to me. Let's lynch white_eyes. Jolt isn't exactly going to waltz to victory now is he?
Agreed; at this point it's already known that Jolt is either mafia or an important role of some kind, or he would have simply revealed his non-important role.
So, the only person Jolt is trying to fool at this point is the town, considering if he's innocent the mafia already know what he is, or more precisely, what he is not.
The only faction Jolt is helping by not revealing here is the mafia.
Your logic is starting to make me suspicious of you. I already pointed out what I intend to do (Including what will be done by the Mafia), yet you keep pressing that I'm helping the Mafia.
In addition to that, you don't even make the same analysis that you often make of the players during the games. Because if you did, you would easily side with those that say that I am not having a Mafia-based behaviour, and if I was Mafia, it'd be hell easy to say I was a sergant to cover myself for one more day at least. Besides accusing several other people and publicly claiming I'm pissed off about being attacked. But no, you insist the Mafia already know everything about me (Really?), instead of saying they actually have no idea what I am or might be (Maybe I could be a third party? Maybe I'm a rival Mafia? Maybe I'm just a townie?), which is striking me as pretty odd.
Then, you make no point that the town investigators (As well as the enemy investigators) can easily discover what I am. That would ilibate me permanently (I think). Sure if I was Mafia and I used this tactic successfully, what would happen would be that I would gain a night to do what I wanted. But then, if all I wanted was that, wouldn't it just be easier for me to claim a sargent, doing the same thing without all this fuss? Your omittence of all of this obvious reasoning and focussing just on the Mafia is making you look very scummy in my eyes.
He didn't reveal to me, and I can't.
Nah. Too scummy for my taste.
FoS: Askthepizzaguy
If you are that suspicious of Pizza, why not point the finger or throw a vote on him?
EDIT: That's better. :3
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2010, 23:52
Your logic is starting to make me suspicious of you.
That doesn't cut any mustard with me, sorry.
Because if you did, you would easily side with those that say that I am not having a Mafia-based behaviour, and if I was, it'd be hell easy to say I was a sergant to cover myself for one more day at least.
Not all situations are the same, and I don't always react the same way every time, Jolt.
Besides accusing several other people and publicly claiming I'm pissed off about being attacked. But no, you insist the Mafia already know everything about me (Really?), instead of saying they actually have no idea what I am or might be (Maybe I could be a third party? Maybe I'm a rival Mafia? Maybe I'm just a townie?), which is striking me as pretty odd.
You can think I am odd all you like; I'm just doing my job, which is to accuse and ask questions.
Then, you make no point that the town investigators (As well as the enemy investigators) can easily discover what I am. That would ilibate me permanently (I think). Sure if I was Mafia and I used this tactic successfully, what would happen would be that I would gain a night to do what I wanted. But then, if all I wanted was that, wouldn't it just be easier for me to claim a sargent, doing the same thing without all this fuss? Your omittence of all of this obvious reasoning and focussing just on the Mafia is making you look very scummy in my eyes.
Yes, I've noted how dead I am and how everyone who has accused you will pay. It's not really what I'm concerned with, but your guilt or innocence.
My questions have been answered, no need to leave the vote in place any longer.
Unvote: Methos
Jolt revealed to me, I can vouch for him.
You're assembling quite the cabal. If you want to avoid me questioning you ad nauseum, do try and explain your actions in decent detail. It will avoid some thread clutter, as I have a feeling we'll otherwise be going back and forth over every point until this is over.
Here's why I'm voting Jolt.
Yesterday someone came to me asking me to vig Jolt. They're basis was that Jolt had been scanned as mafia. Due to the OP I was hesitant to believe such a claim. The individual wouldn't state exactly what the person investigated. Therefore I said no. Remember CR said investigations aren't always accurate, or something like that. I'm typing this on my phone so I don't have the luxury of checking.
Not all situations are the same, and I don't always react the same way every time, Jolt.
That would be because sometimes you are a Mafioso and sometimes you are a townie. Considering a lot of the times you are a townie and I'm more used to that logic, the arguments your using here are out of fashion.
halberds are Swiss, for one thing, Thermal Mercury.
I knew they weren't Turkish, but assumed they used them a lot using medieval total war 2 as a base (janissary heavy inf, halberd militia...) but given it isn't a very accurate game, I did say don't hold me to it...
And why would mafia not make that claim? Sargent/halberd seems fitting.
Quite possibly there are other sergeants in the game, and those don't fight with halberds.
unvote; vote: whiteeyes:D
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 00:00
That would be because sometimes you are a Mafioso and sometimes you are a townie. Considering a lot of the times you are a townie and I'm more used to that logic, the arguments your using here are out of fashion.
See Methos' response above yours.
I also got such a message, and I actually went to the meeting. The fact that you didn't die, and someone else did, and that the basis of the vigilante attempt was because of a scan, is why I press you now and in the open, Jolt. Your behavior since then has been such I would expect from a caught mafioso, because you know we will simply continue attacking you until you're dead, and you're doing everything you can to avoid that, besides make a public claim, which is exactly what a townie should do in this situation.
I know that those who attack you will end up dead, and just like a "mafioso" would, I will continue to attack you until you die, or until I understand why you were scanned as mafia. That's what I have to do, because that is my function as a townie.
Here's why I'm voting Jolt.
Yesterday someone came to me asking me to vig Jolt. They're basis was that Jolt had been scanned as mafia. Due to the OP I was hesitant to believe such a claim. The individual wouldn't state exactly what the person investigated. Therefore I said no. Remember CR said investigations aren't always accurate, or something like that. I'm typing this on my phone so I don't have the luxury of checking.
And might you say why haven't you revealed this information before?
Once you have answered this, I'll reveal my role.
See Methos' response above yours.
I also got such a message, and I actually went to the meeting. The fact that you didn't die, and someone else did, and that the basis of the vigilante attempt was because of a scan, is why I press you now and in the open, Jolt. Your behavior since then has been such I would expect from a caught mafioso, because you know we will simply continue attacking you until you're dead, and you're doing everything you can to avoid that, besides make a public claim, which is exactly what a townie should do in this situation.
I know that those who attack you will end up dead, and just like a "mafioso" would, I will continue to attack you until you die, or until I understand why you were scanned as mafia. That's what I have to do, because that is my function as a townie.
Ok. That's enough to convince me.
Vote: Jolt. Die Mafioso. Public claim on what you told Sasaki is the only thing that might help you now.
Given only Sasaki has confirmed Jolt's role, I would want one more person to vouch for him, given that it could easily be scum covering for scum.
Perhaps public revealing would be a poor choice, but only having one person reassuring us isn't reassuring.
why you were scanned as mafia
Wait, who scanned Jolt as mafia to begin with? o_o
Because I told him not to.
ETA: That was a response to Jolt re: Methos not saying anything previously.
I find it unlikely that a mafioso would not only survive a vigilante hit with the proper numbers, but also kill one of his attackers. That does not seem like it would be balanced.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 00:09
And might you say why haven't you revealed this information before?
Once you have answered this, I'll reveal my role.
You might be responding to Methos, but as he's on a phone, I'll explain my position:
According to the message I got, you were scanned as mafia right off the bat, but the detective did not want to reveal publicly or chance things on a lynch, so this person assembled a vigilante team to take you out immediately, and quietly. When that failed and one of us died, we no longer have a choice but to do this by a lynch. Questioning you before revealing that there was a detective result on you is the best way to gain information, and see how you react under pressure and what your story is.
So, could the detective result be wrong? Perhaps... but there's something about your role which means you're able to be mistaken for an assassin. In order to determine if that's likely the case, I've been pressing you for your role.
If you want to know why I did what I did, that is why. And I won't apologize for it, and I would do it again, and will do it again. You're the best lead I have at the moment, so you've got to convince ME why you shouldn't die, and you've failed utterly in that regard.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 00:09
Wait, who scanned Jolt as mafia to begin with? o_o
Yes, I'll get right on revealing their name to you. Be right back!
According to the message I got, you were scanned as mafia right off the bat, but the detective did not want to reveal publicly or chance things on a lynch, so this person assembled a vigilante team to take you out immediately, and quietly. When that failed and one of us died, we no longer have a choice but to do this by a lynch. Questioning you before revealing that there was a detective result on you is the best way to gain information, and see how you react under pressure and what your story is.
A detective found Jolt to be a mafioso on the very first night and felt too insecure to reveal this publicly, but was fine with giving this information to numerous people that he couldn't have cleared by investigation because only one night had passed? :inquisitive:
Also, the rules say detective investigations don't actively ID people as mafioso:
I also wanted to stop the town from deducing their enemies based on detective results and night actions. So if a townsperson and a Mafioso have killed someone, the detective’s results will be the same.
Wait, who scanned Jolt as mafia to begin with? o_o
Whoever it was, he/she will fortunately be dead in 3 days (Provided it wasn't Winston Hughes.) at the most.
I find it unlikely that a mafioso would not only survive a vigilante hit with the proper numbers, but also kill one of his attackers. That does not seem like it would be balanced.
He could be a neutral character, given Secura's dead (likely mafia) his power could have been increased, or he could have been attacked by a weak group.
A detective found Jolt to be a mafioso on the very first night and felt too insecure to reveal this publicly, but was fine with giving this information to numerous people that he couldn't have cleared by investigation because only one night had passed? :inquisitive:
This is precisely what I mean. These detective results are a bit questionable.
Kagemusha
03-19-2010, 00:16
This ordeal puts Sasaki in very strange llight. Why are you vouching for a mafioso?
LOL Kage you have a one-track mind.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 00:18
I find it unlikely that a mafioso would not only survive a vigilante hit with the proper numbers, but also kill one of his attackers. That does not seem like it would be balanced.
According to the game setup with the dice rolls, and the fact that the host seems to have stated that vig attacks might not always work, it seems perfectly balanced to me.
It may have worked better with more people involved.
Kagemusha
03-19-2010, 00:19
LOL Kage you have a one-track mind.
And you dont find it suspicious that Sasaki is vouching for Jolt while others are saying that he is mafia?
Scienter
03-19-2010, 00:19
Who are the friends who were supposed to be in this group but were otherwise occupied?
I was supposed to be in the group, but since there was no fourth person, I didn't attack. We needed four, it seemed pointless to send in orders without a complete group.
And you dont find it suspicious that Sasaki is vouching for Jolt while others are saying that he is mafia?
I don't think Jolt is mafia. He's something, certainly, and he's not acting like a town role, but I don't think he's mafia (that is, not a turkish spy).
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 00:22
Interesting. The investigative guy is sure of result, and has apparently convinced enough other people that it's genuine. 2 options:
1) he reveals and we protect him
2) since he presumably trusts the people he revealed to (why did he do that?) he can form a stronger vig team. Maybe get methos's team of soldiers.
Basically we can't lynch off of vague results from an unknown source. But if he can convince people in private then Jolt is fair game.
Despite what I have said, I don't entirely believe Jolt is mafia, not that I regret initializing the vote given how much more attentive its made him. If Jolt is innocent public revealing would be a poor choice (having a few people know is a better method, enough to ensure his innocence, not enough for there to be a high of chance of him confiding in mafia), however his claim to reveal after Methos explains further is another way of saying 'give me some time to forge a new identity' in my eyes...
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 00:25
It may have worked better with more people involved.
Were you guys travelers? I wouldn't expect 4 travellers to be able to take out a mafioso.
And as I said earlier, dice rolls have done stranger things.
btw pizza, I find Jolt's reaction isn't that typical of a caught mafioso. I don't think I've seen jolt caught as a mafioso, but it's a stretch to say it makes him guilty.
This ordeal puts Sasaki in very strange llight. Why are you vouching for a mafioso?
tch, I vouched for his claim making sense, not for him being innocent.
You might be responding to Methos, but as he's on a phone, I'll explain my position:
According to the message I got, you were scanned as mafia right off the bat, but the detective did not want to reveal publicly or chance things on a lynch, so this person assembled a vigilante team to take you out immediately, and quietly. When that failed and one of us died, we no longer have a choice but to do this by a lynch. Questioning you before revealing that there was a detective result on you is the best way to gain information, and see how you react under pressure and what your story is.
So, could the detective result be wrong? Perhaps... but there's something about your role which means you're able to be mistaken for an assassin. In order to determine if that's likely the case, I've been pressing you for your role.
If you want to know why I did what I did, that is why. And I won't apologize for it, and I would do it again, and will do it again. You're the best lead I have at the moment, so you've got to convince ME why you shouldn't die, and you've failed utterly in that regard.
Here is my role:
Can't quote Role PMs. Silly me.
I'm a Sargent.
I can defend someone alone
I can attack with somebody else.
I can't be recruited by the Turks/Mafia but I can be recruited by Pro-Town factions
So far, I had been largely inactive, leading to a PM by Crazed Rabbit. So far I have been approached two times for making groups. The first occasion was this:
I need one more person, ideally a soldier for my townie squad. Any of you interested?
To which I replied:
I'm your man. I'm a soldier.
The second occasion was Winston Hughes, and I was approached for the vig kill group.
Hi there,
I'm a plain old townie looking for a few compadres to help me kill some more important (erm, I mean more suspicious) people...
Care to lend a hand?
WH
As I was rather inactive I didn't reply (I sent him a message but apparently my PM Inbox isn't working properly, as comproved with another game's PM sendings, and so the message apparently didn't reach him back) to him until he sent me a second PM.
Did you not get my message?
I'm a plain old townie looking for a few compadres to help me kill some more important (erm, I mean more suspicious) people...
Care to lend a hand?
WH
To which I replied
I did sent you a message. Summing it up would be "Sure, but who and why?"
After which he did not reply and attacked me.
The rest of my correspondence is with Sasaki who did suggest I reveal privately to someone so that person could vouch for me.
I had planned to waste a turn of Mafia investigators, investigating me (A regular soldier), while town investigators would also investigate me and illibate me.
Now either what happens is that I live and become illibated by the town investigators as per my plan or I die and everyone who is voting for me is be pretty suspicious and whoever said I was Mafia is a dead-man walking (provided he sn't dead already)
EDIT: That said, I will need a protection group as of now if I survive. :bow:
Why couldn't you have shown your role earlier? Given Sasaki knew about it, you could have made adjustments very easily without the text looking out of character.
Why couldn't you have shown your role earlier? Given Sasaki knew about it, you could have made adjustments very easily without the text looking out of character.
I had planned to waste a turn of Mafia investigators, investigating me (A regular soldier), while town investigators would also investigate me and illibate me.
READ. :)
EDIT: Smiley because I'm getting pissed off again.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 00:30
Were you guys travelers? I wouldn't expect 4 travellers to be able to take out a mafioso.
We learned this the hard way. I didn't think our odds were that bad.
And as I said earlier, dice rolls have done stranger things.
The random gods seem to favor the SL8 rifle and the Golden Lugers in my resident evil game, even though the odds of getting either one are very tiny.
Sigh.
The story seems plausible enough. But that doesn't explain why the investigator would scan you as a mafia.
But then again I am willing to accept that the scan on you was questionable in quality. Unvote: Jolt
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 00:30
Of course you might get WoG'd for quoting a role pm...
johnhughthom
03-19-2010, 00:31
Vote: Sigurd
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 00:31
Vote: Sigurd
What?
So who was the detective who investigated Jolt?
Captain Blackadder
03-19-2010, 00:33
Indeed there is something fishy about the whole exercise.
That looks pretty legitimate to me.
It also means that Jolt cannot be recruited by the Turkish, although he is fair game for any other factions that may show interest in him.
I admire you taking the risk though, Jolt.
READ. :)
EDIT: Smiley because I'm getting pissed off again.
Ok, I am sorry, but its worth considering just how many posts are actually in this thread, I'm not going to read them all in detail. Also which post is that quoted from, nice to trace the source :grin:
I guess I am missing something here but mafia investigators? We have those? :confused:
Of course you might get WoG'd for quoting a role pm...
That it is. I skimmed through the rules but I missed that part. A very bad mistake. Regardless I have editted out. I do accept being WoG'd as it obviously *might* alter the path of the game.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 00:35
It doesn't make sense for mafia to claim a guilty result on someone innocent. It's possible they vastly misunderstood the rules.
So who was the detective who investigated Jolt?
As I said, whoever he is, he is pretty much dead.
It doesn't make sense for mafia to claim a guilty result on someone innocent. It's possible they vastly misunderstood the rules.
Well, if they would have found out that I'm a Sargeant, pinning me on a Mafioso then shifting the blame to "Inconclusive results" seems a strategy.
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 00:36
Unvote: Jolt
Scienter - who put the vig group together? Reenk or Csargo?
Unvote: Jolt
Scienter - who put the vig group together? Reenk or Csargo?
I get the impression it was Reenk.
I get the impression it was Reenk.
Plus, I badly revealed at Sasaki. I just re-read my Role PM and the Roles and I am a Sargeant and not the soldier I thought I was. >_>
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 00:45
Unvote: Jolt
Scienter - who put the vig group together? Reenk or Csargo?
Extremely suspicious. We need a fourth for a hit on Yaropolk.
unvote
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=129554 < just a fairly suspicious players recent posts...
Link's dead, TM.
Still works for me :speechless:
It was slashandburns posts anyway, his last post here was this:
Would like a night action, please?
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 00:58
As I said, whoever he is, he is pretty much dead.
Well, at least we won't have to waste time lynching him for potentially being wrong.
Well, if they would have found out that I'm a Sargeant, pinning me on a Mafioso then shifting the blame to "Inconclusive results" seems a strategy.
That must be it! Surely the town would never do anything so silly as to lynch one of their own.
If he's dead the next night, I'll be a happy man.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 01:02
Pizza, it's not clear to me. What do you think of Jolt's claim?
That claim looked legitimate to me, except for one small niggling point.
I unvoted because parts of the pm were exactly the same as mine.
That claim looked legitimate to me, except for one small niggling point.
Just remember not to listen to this woman. :grin:
Vote: Autolycus
Need to vote for someone, his activity is low, his posts are fallible, will do for me for now.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 01:07
Pizza, it's not clear to me. What do you think of Jolt's claim?
I saw the role PM when it was posted, it looked legit to me...
I am not sure who the next most likely candidate is at present. I'm fresh out of ideas.
When in doubt, I would prefer to pick on someone who has been skating through this whole controversy and enjoying the infighting.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 01:08
I saw the role PM when it was posted, it looked legit to me...
I am not sure who the next most likely candidate is at present. I'm fresh out of ideas.
When in doubt, I would prefer to pick on someone who has been skating through this whole controversy and enjoying the infighting.
White_eyes:D
:yes:
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 01:08
Extremely suspicious. We need a fourth for a hit on Yaropolk.
One of two things happened, and please do elaborate, I won't take a baloon, a clown nose, 3 smileys and a bouquet of flowers as an answer - either Csargo organized a hit very poorly, and almost suicided himself, or Reenk invited some townies for an attack, and then failed to show up. Why would someone do that? Could be a setup for an extra free kill as mafia. I don't see you apologizing over Csargo's near death experience. Since we had a third observer, Scienter can tell us what really happened.
Meanwhile vote: Reenk to explain what happened there.
Centurion1
03-19-2010, 01:10
and what niggling point is that lol.
Scienter
03-19-2010, 01:11
Unvote: Jolt
Scienter - who put the vig group together? Reenk or Csargo?
Reenk posted in this thread about wanting to do a night action and I pm'd him because I wanted something to do. The only reason I knew about Csargo is because he was on the pm Reenk sent back.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 01:12
Works for me...
unvote, vote: Reenk Roink
Scienter
03-19-2010, 01:13
One of two things happened, and please do elaborate, I won't take a baloon, a clown nose, 3 smileys and a bouquet of flowers as an answer - either Csargo organized a hit very poorly, and almost suicided himself, or Reenk invited some townies for an attack, and then failed to show up. Why would someone do that? Could be a setup for an extra free kill as mafia. I don't see you apologizing over Csargo's near death experience. Since we had a third observer, Scienter can tell us what really happened.
Meanwhile vote: Reenk to explain what happened there.
As I said before, there were only 3 people who had tried to form a group. We couldn't get a fourth in time to submit night orders. To me, it seemed pointless to attack with an incomplete group. I figured that Reenk and Csargo would think the same thing and not attack either. I don't know why Csargo went ahead without a fourth person.
One of two things happened, and please do elaborate, I won't take a baloon, a clown nose, 3 smileys and a bouquet of flowers as an answer - either Csargo organized a hit very poorly, and almost suicided himself, or Reenk invited some townies for an attack, and then failed to show up. Why would someone do that? Could be a setup for an extra free kill as mafia. I don't see you apologizing over Csargo's near death experience. Since we had a third observer, Scienter can tell us what really happened.
Meanwhile vote: Reenk to explain wtf happened there.
Clearly a vote to get back at Reenk rather than because you think he is mafia, else you would have voted for him way before he threatened to kill you.
It seems to me some got their orders in whereas others in the group didn't. If he really is luring townies into doom, by publicly asking people to help him, I think a pattern would emerge, if he is anti-town it shouldn't take long to figure out.
I still see White_Eyes:D as being unquestionally scum.
Works for me...
unvote, vote: Reenk Roink
What?
Vote:ATPG
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 01:16
Before I was putting pressure on Jolt to reveal. Once he did that I unvoted and PMed Csargo to find out what really happened. He can confirm that when he returns (he has not answered). Scienter's availability on the boards and Reenk's outburst precipitated a public accusation.
Edit: Speak of the devil
I still see White_Eyes:D as being unquestionally scum.
I forgot about him, 4th vote on you with bad reasoning is scummy, but he is quite controversial, he must have seen the outrage coming as he typed.
Beefy187
03-19-2010, 01:24
Vote: Ibn Khaldun
Something about him makes me feel uneasy.
There was a big problem in the Role-PM Jolt posted. In short, look at the victory conditions.
Edit: Also, if you see Secura posting from mine, tell Secura to pay attention to the more real life stuff, so I don't have to sit there for 30 minutes waiting for the continuous refreshing that is occurring on Secura's laptop. Wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for 30 minutes for every 10 minutes.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 01:26
Vote: Ibn Khaldun
Something about him makes me feel uneasy.
Give your thoughts on jolt and white_eyes. And reenk.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 01:29
There was a big problem in the Role-PM Jolt posted. In short, look at the victory conditions.
Before any other warriors/sergeants reveal themselves by disagreeing with this, I'll say that the victory conditions were fine. No matter what Secura thinks :tongue3:
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 01:30
I forgot about him, 4th vote on you with bad reasoning is scummy, but he is quite controversial, he must have seen the outrage coming as he typed.:laugh4: I knew Sasaki was going to go...."Scum":smoking:
I don't mind being lynched....I wasn't part of any group so it really won't make a difference:shrug:(You are all mean people....didn't even get to go on a night action)
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 01:32
:laugh4: I knew Sasaki was going to go...."Scum":smoking:
Yes, you were setting it up so that I would go "scum" so that you could say this. That was what was scummy, besides your vote. It's your defense strategy as mafia ;)
Beefy187
03-19-2010, 01:38
Give your thoughts on jolt and white_eyes. And reenk.
Jolt- I thought the result of night actions are completely random. If he doesn't die after another vig attempt, not that I'm encouraging anyone to try it, I think his completely clean. It doesn't make sense to have a mafia who is immune to vig kill.
white eyes- I recruited him in God Father for a reason. His almost always like that... unreadable. Only time he changes his behavior is after the game where he reveals what he was really up to in the game.
Reenk- I didn't catch the case on Reenk. Whats he done?
Before any other warriors/sergeants reveal themselves by disagreeing with this, I'll say that the victory conditions were fine.
If that is truly the case, then I have severe issues with the structure of the game.
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 01:41
Reenk Csargo and Scienter were to attack Sigurd. Scienter didnt send in orders because they were missing a 4th. Csargo sent in orders, and was identified in the writeup (but also risked his life being a solo attacker). I am pushing Reenk to reveal who organized the attack out of him/Csargo, and why he didnt show up, leaving his partner high and dry.
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 01:41
Yes, you were setting it up so that I would go "scum" so that you could say this. That was what was scummy, besides your vote. It's your defense strategy as mafia ;)That's all just WIFOM:rolleyes: "I just go with the flow"(Like on Pirate ship) but this time....nobody wanted me for a group:shrug:
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 01:42
One of two things happened,
No, those aren't the only possibilities, stop making false dichotomies.
I won't take a baloon, a clown nose, 3 smileys and a bouquet of flowers as an answer
You wouldn't get those anyway. :rolleyes:
- either Csargo organized a hit very poorly, and almost suicided himself,
The fact that you're trying to appear so dense as to actually have a question as to who organized the group when it was plainly stated in the thread is also suspicious.
or Reenk invited some townies for an attack, and then failed to show up. Why would someone do that? Could be a setup for an extra free kill as mafia.
Could be, though trying to paint the worst possible explanation when a much better one has been given by others is one thing.
I don't see you apologizing over Csargo's near death experience.
He's not mad at me. ~:grouphug: He knows I got his back.
Since we had a third observer, Scienter can tell us what really happened.
She did, twice.
Yaropolk is going to get vigged tonight. Atpg the next, he's trying for what he thinks will be the easiest lynch.
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 01:46
No, those aren't the only possibilities, stop making false dichotomies.
The best argument is to provide a third alternative - you have not.
The fact that you're trying to appear so dense as to actually have a question as to who organized the group when it was plainly stated in the thread is also suspicious.
Where?
Could be, though trying to paint the worst possible explanation when a much better one has been given by others is one thing.
Again, where?
She did, twice.
She said she got PM from you with Csargo CCd after reaching out to you. So who was dear leader?
Yaropolk is going to get vigged tonight. Atpg the next, he's trying for what he thinks will be the easiest lynch.
ATPG - you owe me one, I extedned your life by 1 day.
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 01:48
The best argument is to provide a third alternative - you have not.
No that's not the best argument. That's why I have not (actually I did but I'm going to indulge you).
Where?
Again, where?
Look it up.
She said she got PM from you with Csargo CCd after reaching out to you. So who was dear leader?
:laugh4: :rolleyes:
Clearly a vote to get back at Reenk rather than because you think he is mafia, else you would have voted for him way before he threatened to kill you.
It seems to me some got their orders in whereas others in the group didn't. If he really is luring townies into doom, by publicly asking people to help him, I think a pattern would emerge, if he is anti-town it shouldn't take long to figure out.
Normally, I would endorse such kinds of retaliation voting and soften my stance on him, but Yaropolk has fallen for the bait pretty hard here and he's going the way of Secura (probably like her too). :beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 01:54
If that is truly the case, then I have severe issues with the structure of the game.
With the power roles being nonconvertible? It makes sense.
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 01:57
True dichotomy for the win then.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 02:00
Yaropolk is going to get vigged tonight. Atpg the next, he's trying for what he thinks will be the easiest lynch.
Yes, because Reenk has no supporters and always goes quietly.
Here, Reenk: -----> :rolleyes:
Why do you want to know so bad Yaro?
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 02:06
Yes, because Reenk has no supporters and always goes quietly.
Fair enough, Yaropolk's case sucks really bad, and it will be fun seeing him sell it while continuting to ignore every answer given but I have no supporters and have been uncharacteristically quiet.
Why go after Jolt? You have bitten twice when things have been dangled to see who would bite?
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 02:07
Because tonight in the writeup 4 things happened
Jolt went apedoodoo on some attackers. We pressed on him and got a confession.
Methos was identified as an attacker in a vigilante group that killed Centurion, but since he had Sassaki's blessing we all decided to let him off without any questioning. :laugh4:
Subotan was attacked by an unknown solo killer. We dont have anyone to question here.
And, you attacked a defense group and survived. If I was you I'd be a bit upset that someone set me up like that. Unless this was a deliberate move, in which case you've had plenty of time to jump in to Reenk's defense.
This shouldn't be turning into a witch hunt. A simple explanation of what happened should settle the matter. The fact that Reenk is being difficult makes me more suspicious of him.
One Question Reenk & the Gang
Aren't you concerned that you may get vigilante killed? Openly giving out your plans either shows you don't care what enemies you make or you have high ranked positions to fend off attacks, I'm guessing you have protectors otherwise....
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 02:12
This shouldn't be turning into a witch hunt. A simple explanation of what happened should settle the matter. The fact that Reenk is being difficult makes me more suspicious of him.
"I won't teach a man who is not anxious to learn, and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself."
-Confucious
The fact is, I'm having a good time leading you along while you ask questions that have been clearly answered and explained multiple times. :laugh4:
Go read the thread from where I asked for a vig group on Sigurd (should be a hint for your dying desire for dear leader). Even you should figure it out by then. :wink:
Aren't you concerned that you may get vigilante killed? Openly giving out your plans either shows you don't care what enemies you make or you have high ranked positions to fend off attacks, I'm guessing you have protectors otherwise....
Well, I'm not really thrilled with the choices Sasaki is making (I was in a group with him from the start of the game). For example, he seemed very convinced that Sigurd would be attacked by Mafia and so protected him. Sigurd was not attacked by Mafia at all. :inquisitive:
My own choices seem to have worked a lot better, as though I couldn't muster the support to kill Secura, she is seemingly a bad guy.
Obviously we could be vigged or killed, but it's a calculated risk to allow ourselves to be spared the lynch/vig on the one hand and the Mafia on the other. ::yes:
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 02:14
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch
a completely inoffensive name
03-19-2010, 02:15
Really mafia? What am I gonna do with a PS3 copy of Lego Star Wars?
offer rejected, I'm sticking with the town unless you can give me something better.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 02:17
Fair enough, Yaropolk's case sucks really bad, and it will be fun seeing him sell it while continuting to ignore every answer given but I have no supporters and have been uncharacteristically quiet.
I am just a man picking between a stack of blind lynches, and I have a niggling feeling that most of them are bad.
Why go after Jolt? You have bitten twice when things have been dangled to see who would bite?
I pressured Jolt and I got the answers I was looking for. Now I have to pick a stand-in candidate, and I don't like any of these candidates, and I don't have a case or even a reason to suspect any of them. I've also heard everyone here weigh in on stuff, and I'm thinking about pressuring someone who hasn't taken a position.
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 02:19
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch
Who the **** is Robert Bloch? Conficious is still extremely influential in the modern world and his influence crosses cultural lines. Can Bobby say the same thing?
Please try harder. :yes:
I'm going to have to go with:
Vote: White_Eyes
For lack of a better target, though I agree with ATPG, I have not seen anyone I'd like dead, yet.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 02:30
Indeed there is something fishy about the whole exercise.
Ah, here's a noncommittal post which doesn't get us anywhere, and goes overlooked.
unvote, vote: Captain Blackadder
a completely inoffensive name
03-19-2010, 02:40
Ah, here's a noncommittal post which doesn't get us anywhere, and goes overlooked.
You could say the same about all my posts.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 02:47
You could say the same about all my posts.
True enough. In this case I actually consulted my GOD, random.org, to point me in a direction.
Those condemned by the random one must be guilty, or my worldview makes no sense.
a completely inoffensive name
03-19-2010, 02:51
unvote, vote ACIN
omg, a female paying attention to me! this hasn't happened in two years, my beard must be working since I stopped shaving a week ago...
And, you attacked a defense group and survived. If I was you I'd be a bit upset that someone set me up like that. Unless this was a deliberate move, in which case you've had plenty of time to jump in to Reenk's defense.
This shouldn't be turning into a witch hunt. A simple explanation of what happened should settle the matter. The fact that Reenk is being difficult makes me more suspicious of him.
I knew we didn't have enough people to successfully kill anyone, but I sent my orders in anyways. It's not Reenk's fault at all.
Splitpersonality
03-19-2010, 03:04
omg, a female paying attention to me! this hasn't happened in two years, my beard must be working since I stopped shaving a week ago...
Vote:ACIN
Hey there hot stuff :kiss:
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 03:05
I knew we didn't have enough people to successfully kill anyone, but I sent my orders in anyways. It's not Reenk's fault at all.
unvote Reenk
a completely inoffensive name
03-19-2010, 03:10
Vote:ACIN
Hey there hot stuff :kiss:
You stopped replying in the quick topic. i'm sorry, but I have moved on....
Splitpersonality
03-19-2010, 03:26
You stopped replying in the quick topic. i'm sorry, but I have moved on....
Unvote: ACIN
:cry:
ACIN is not the Mafia, he is just a very naughty boy.
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 03:47
I'm remembering something now from Midgard I, which also had die roll fights in it. Pevergreen (or somebody, can't remember) fought with god-like ability in the write up and then claimed basic town, lowest of the low as far as skill goes. We lynched him and lost, and sigurd said that in his system he did the dice roll and wrote the writeup based on the roll not the role. It could be the same thing here.
That was 2 bajillion posts ago, but I want to clear it up anyway.
I was a KING. No one would believe me. I accidentaly deleted my role PM, and NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE me.
Reenk: You failed. You will die.
Vote: Beefy
Going on a free ride thus far. Plus TheFlax told me last night that you were mafia. While we were killing zombies together.
Oh we had such fun.
Myrddraal
03-19-2010, 04:13
Argh, trying to keep up. Have read up to post #1290.
So far I find Subotan's repeated use of kill write ups to try to identify the mafia (after CR explicitly said that they could contribute to write ups themselves) to be very suspicious. The tea leaves comment really got me. So for now I will vote for him. I'm also keeping an eye on you Ibn... :inquisitive:
Vote: Subotan
Vote: Beefy
Going on a free ride thus far. Plus TheFlax told me last night that you were mafia. While we were killing zombies together.
Oh we had such fun.
I most certainly did not! :stare:
Double A
03-19-2010, 04:26
As amazing as this game is, I seriously can't keep up...
You're going to have to *sigh* replace me. :shame:
Since I'm not sure if I'll be able to vote before the round ends I'll follow the hunch on W_E for now.
Vote: White_Eyes.
I'm going to hold off on voting, but I would like to hear more from csargo about his activities. We only had solo attackers the second night, and he's the only solo attacker from last night. Will he claim any of the second night attacks?
Hey. So you want to hear more from Csargo, even when in the previous page or so he's already explained himself. Sneaky, slip into the thread and then slip straight back out.
Vote: autolycus
seireikhaan
03-19-2010, 04:40
J'm with Psycho.
Vote: Autocylus
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2010, 04:44
Alright, to save Jolt, sure.
Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: autolycus
Myrddraal
03-19-2010, 04:47
Ok, caught up.
Jolt:
His explanation makes sense. It does make sense that a Mafioso would not be invulnerable to vig hits, but then again they may just follow the same dice roll as everyone else, so it doesn't prove his innocence.
What doesn't add up is the detective result story. It's a brave detective who reveals in private to four people who he does not know he can trust...
White Eyes:
What's the accusation here? In my reading I've seen people vote for him, but I must have missed the reason why.
Subotan:
I found his posting about the kill descriptions rather suspicious, but I had forgotten that he had been attacked in the night. That makes him a little less suspicious I guess.
Ibn-Khaldun: I agree with Beefy, there's something going on here, I can't put my finger on it, but it bothers me.
unvote: Subotan
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 04:49
Sasaki says I am scum.....that good enough?:laugh4:(That is the only real reason:shrug:)
White Eyes:
What's the accusation here? In my reading I've seen people vote for him, but I must have missed the reason why.
Ibn-Khaldun: I agree with Beefy, there's something going on here, I can't put my finger on it, but it bothers me.
unvote: Subotan
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Since I can't really remember what the accusations against W_E were either, after reading up on about 3 pages with 80 posts each I just remembered there was something hold against him.
What I do know though is that Ibn has caught my attention quite a few times by now, so I'll rather follow my own hunch this time around.
Unvote: White_Eyes ; Vote: Ibn-Khaldun. After all he was under suspicion from day one, anybody know of any investigations on him?
Beefy187
03-19-2010, 05:09
Going on a free ride thus far. Plus TheFlax told me last night that you two are lovers. While we were killing zombies together.
Oh we had such fun.
If thats the reason, I don't mind a vote on me :laugh4:
Subotan:
I found his posting about the kill descriptions rather suspicious, but I had forgotten that he had been attacked in the night. That makes him a little less suspicious I guess.
How does it make him less suspicious?
I was attacked at night, survived to tell the tale and then it transpired I was mafia. You're saying that won't apply to anyone else?
autolycus
03-19-2010, 05:20
Csargo still hasn't said whether he was one of those who killed on night 2, which is what I was talking about in my post. I will vote:Ibn-Khaldun he seems the most plausible of our candidates for today.
You should already know the answer to that. :tongue:
Myrddraal
03-19-2010, 05:31
Ho....es i...a....him les....usp...ious?
I w.........ked at nig......surv....ed to te....e tale a.....en it tr.....ed I was mafia. Yo................ing t........wo..... appl...... any..... else?
Did you guys hear something? No? I could have sworn I heard a voice say "I was mafia"... Just the wind I guess.
:juggle2:
Myrddraal
03-19-2010, 05:33
Csargo still hasn't said whether he was one of those who killed on night 2, which is what I was talking about in my post. I will vote:Ibn-Khaldun he seems the most plausible of our candidates for today.
Haven't you got something to say to those voting for you?
atheotes
03-19-2010, 05:36
Csargo's actions have been cleared by a few people. i am taking my vote off him.
I am not sure why Renata dropped the case on Tincow, his posts were a bit incongruous.
unvote: Csargo ; Vote: Tincow
Did you guys hear something? No? I could have sworn I heard a voice say "I was mafia"... Just the wind I guess.
:juggle2:
Mmmmhmmm.
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 05:38
If thats the reason, I don't mind a vote on me :laugh4:
For having the amazing ability to somehow know that I said that to Flax last night, Unvote: Beefy
auto man, you're hating on Strawberry.
Vote: autolycus
a completely inoffensive name
03-19-2010, 05:52
Not changing my vote. For reasons previously stated.
Vote: autolycus
Unvote: Jolt; Vote: White Eyes Damn imp!
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 09:11
unvote, vote: autolycus
All right, so no one likes Captain Blackadder as a lynchee... fair enough.
autolycus
03-19-2010, 09:57
So far people's reasons for voting for me consist of either my question for csargo, which I feel like I've explained, or my "hating on strawberry", which I don't understand. Beyond that, I'm an innocent non-power role, if people have other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them.
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 10:43
So far people's reasons for voting for me consist of either my question for csargo, which I feel like I've explained, or my "hating on strawberry", which I don't understand. Beyond that, I'm an innocent non-power role, if people have other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them.
They are one and the same.
So far people's reasons for voting for me consist of either my question for csargo, which I feel like I've explained, or my "hating on strawberry", which I don't understand. Beyond that, I'm an innocent non-power role, if people have other questions for me, I'm happy to answer them.
"Strawberry" refers to Csargo.
Captain Blackadder
03-19-2010, 11:19
vote:Ibn-Khaldun
Looking through the many posts he seems to me to be the best choice for a lynching at this stage.
TALLY:
Autolycus - (7) Psycho, Khaan, GH, PEVERGREEN, ACIN, ATPG, Thermal Mercury
White_Eyes (5) - Sasaki, Jolt, Beskar, TheFlax, Methos
IK (5) - Beefy, Myrddraal, Joooray, Blackadder, Autolycus
TinCow (2) - Renata, Atheotes
Sigurd (2) - RR, JH
Methos (1) - Subotan
Askthepizzaguy (1) - Csargo
ACIN (1) - Renata
Seon (1) - Ibn
Tincow (1) - Atheotes
NOTE: I and anyone else doing the tally would appreciate it if you remembered to unvote when switching your vote, as well as giving the name of the guy who you are unvoting. Certain people (Here's looking at you Thermal Mercury :stare:) are not unvoting and making it very difficult to put an accurate tally together.
EDIT: Aha, sorry TM, I got confused between your avatar and Captain Blackadder's. So sorry for singling you out.
Nevertheless, the advice still holds. When vote switches are flying around like bees from a hive, it would be nice if you could remember who you had previously voted for.
Diamondeye
03-19-2010, 11:59
Read up on this.
I'm going to FoS: ATPG and Methos
HoS: WhiteEyes:D.
I think Jolt is innocent. I'm going to vote: WhiteEyes:D
Kinda busy but you can of course ask me questions and I'll answer them when available :yes:
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Myrddraal's reasoning has been consistently strong throughout the game. I'm willing to entertain it.
For those asking why W_E is being voted, it's because Sasaki says he's scummy.
Diamondeye
03-19-2010, 12:14
Oh - I forgot two things. I won't edit because of vote.
FoS: Seon
and
GM Clarification please: Will protection groups be able to actually kill attackers?
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 12:50
Vote: Ibn Khaldun
Weeeee 3 way tie!
Yaropolk
03-19-2010, 12:54
The math, she's not so good. :sad:
vote: Subotan
It's "pevergreen" not PEVERGREEN
autolycus
03-19-2010, 14:14
Subotan, did you miss my vote on I-K, or was it formatted incorrectly?
Diamondeye
03-19-2010, 14:25
vote: Subotan
It's "pevergreen" not PEVERGREEN
I noticed the same thing. Wonders why pever hasn't reacted.
Subotan, did you miss my vote on I-K, or was it formatted incorrectly?
I probably missed it. I did it very quickly, as I only had five minutes before my next lesson, so. I'm not surprised there are errors.
vote: Subotan
It's "pevergreen" not PEVERGREEN
My shift key is stuck.
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 15:19
vote: Subotan
It's "pevergreen" not PEVERGREEN
My good sir, if we've played together before, I've not noticed how magnificent you are. Truly you are an inspiration to all mankind.
:bow:
I noticed the same thing. Wonders why pever hasn't reacted.
That second half should be in italics, or surrounded by *. Some of us have lives. My life may just be playing games at midnight (10 past midnight now) BUT ITS A LIFE NONETHELESS
My shift key is stuck.
A likely story. You know, one day, there will be a game that has me as the Supreme Overlord, and I will reign terror on any who have called me wrongly.
In another game, I will be a serial killer, only triggered when someone spells my name wrong.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-19-2010, 15:28
Argh, trying to keep up. Have read up to post #1290.
So far I find Subotan's repeated use of kill write ups to try to identify the mafia (after CR explicitly said that they could contribute to write ups themselves) to be very suspicious. The tea leaves comment really got me. So for now I will vote for him. I'm also keeping an eye on you Ibn... :inquisitive:
Vote: Subotan
Ok, caught up.
Jolt:
His explanation makes sense. It does make sense that a Mafioso would not be invulnerable to vig hits, but then again they may just follow the same dice roll as everyone else, so it doesn't prove his innocence.
What doesn't add up is the detective result story. It's a brave detective who reveals in private to four people who he does not know he can trust...
White Eyes:
What's the accusation here? In my reading I've seen people vote for him, but I must have missed the reason why.
Subotan:
I found his posting about the kill descriptions rather suspicious, but I had forgotten that he had been attacked in the night. That makes him a little less suspicious I guess.
Ibn-Khaldun: I agree with Beefy, there's something going on here, I can't put my finger on it, but it bothers me.
unvote: Subotan
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Since I can't really remember what the accusations against W_E were either, after reading up on about 3 pages with 80 posts each I just remembered there was something hold against him.
What I do know though is that Ibn has caught my attention quite a few times by now, so I'll rather follow my own hunch this time around.
Unvote: White_Eyes ; Vote: Ibn-Khaldun. After all he was under suspicion from day one, anybody know of any investigations on him?
Huh, what did I do? Day one no one had any idea who others were. Day one suspicion is not a good reason to lynch someone on day 4(?)
Csargo still hasn't said whether he was one of those who killed on night 2, which is what I was talking about in my post. I will vote:Ibn-Khaldun he seems the most plausible of our candidates for today.
Look who is joining the bandwagon..
vote:Ibn-Khaldun
Looking through the many posts he seems to me to be the best choice for a lynching at this stage.
And why is that? Why am I better choice than you?
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Myrddraal's reasoning has been consistently strong throughout the game. I'm willing to entertain it.
For those asking why W_E is being voted, it's because Sasaki says he's scummy.
What reasoning?
If town investigators want then go ahead and investigate me. You only find a Traveler and that's it.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-19-2010, 15:30
Unvote, Vote: autolycus
Hahaha.
Watching the baseless accusations and the scurrying around is fantastic. For once, I'm enjoying being dead!
Hmm, though I don't like imps... Unvote: WE; Vote: Ibn-Khaldun.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 17:13
hmm, I'm happy with all of these lynches.
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 17:31
Glad to know we have your approval, oh great lord.
When do we lynch you?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 17:33
Glad to know we have your approval, oh great lord.
When do we lynch you?
What do you think about these lynches?
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 17:37
What do you think about these lynches?
WE: being WE.
automan: Hated on strawberry. I dont know anything baout him besides that, so this is probably just a bandwagon.
forogt who the third person was.
IMO Secura played us. Doesnt fit.
I want Sigurd and Beefy gone. Or is sigurd dead? I can never keep up.
Beefy is acting weird...er than he should be.
Going back a day or two, having the central role...perhaps just organising night actions, nothing to do with day.
Could be useful.
Scienter
03-19-2010, 17:47
I don't have the same gut feeling about IK that others do. I tried to use the search function to look back at some of his posts, but it's borked. Same with White Eyes. I don't think Csargo is mafia. Still haven't decided who to vote for. :inquisitive:
By the way what did Ibn guy do to get that many votes on him?
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 17:49
Don't like his avatar.
I've lynched people for less.
Also, tonight, someone kill Reenk for me.
autolycus
03-19-2010, 17:51
If I'm alive, I'll consider it.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 17:55
Also, I'd appreciate any warriors out there contacting me. Unless you're already committed to a group I guess.
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 18:07
If only you would let me help and do something.....but then again you think I am scum period.~:bigcry:
Poor white-eyes. You and I can take a potshot at a lurker, how about that?
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 18:33
How do I know you won't pull a "shlin28 plan*"?:sweatdrop:
*We all CC'ed orders to vig-kill someone....but everyone of us did something else and shlin28 was killed by our deception:shame:
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 19:01
unvote, vote: Ibn-Khaldun
And I was in no way influenced by a private personal appeal to switch my vote. Nope... never happened.
Scienter
03-19-2010, 19:35
:daisy:! I missed the voting deadline. Stupid work gets in the way of my internet time. ;)
Oh come on.
Vote: White Eyes
Is it really past the voting deadline? Silly .orgers, can't stick to a set time.
Crazed Rabbit
03-19-2010, 20:17
It looks like, for the second time in three lynches, we've got another tie! (Voting ended 1 hour 17 minutes ago. I assure you I did not get confused about the time at all.)
Autolycus and Ibn Khaldun each have eight votes, so we'll be having another instant run-off!
We are now in the Instant Runoff Phase! Beskar and Kagemusha are tied for votes. Whichever one gets one more vote will be lynched. People who already voted for one cannot vote for the same person again. They can switch their vote. Everyone who voted for somebody else can also vote.
Autolycus: 8 (ACIN, GH, pevergreen, ATPG, Yaseikhaan, thermal mercury, Ibn Khaldun, Psychonaut)
Ibn Khaldun: 8 (Joooray, Tincow, Yaropolk, Beefy, Myrddraal, Cap Blackadder, Methos, Autolycus)
CR
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 20:18
I already switched my vote to Ibn.
autolycus
03-19-2010, 20:22
He set the deadline for a minute before your vote change. Restate it.
edit: xpost with Renata so it no longer matters.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 20:22
It was probably after the deadline pizza.
unvote, vote:ibn
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 20:24
Woot, bandwagon:
unvote, vote: Ibn :laugh4:
He's a popular guy.
Or Autolycus is. :laugh4:
Crazed Rabbit
03-19-2010, 20:32
I already switched my vote to Ibn.
A minute to short.
CR
So Ibn is mafia?
That's news to me.
Don't like his avatar.
I've lynched people for less.
Also, tonight, someone kill Reenk for me.
I thought I was your sworn enemy :no:
Crazed Rabbit
03-19-2010, 20:59
The Shadow Fort, end of Day 4
Gerard gazed out at the snow covered expanses around the fort, losing track of time. It was the only way be allowed himself to be reminded of what he had lost.
"Sir?" asked Hans. Again.
"Huh, what? Ah, right, the voting. Where are the tallies?"
"Well, they were tied, but one fellow cast a vote just a minute after voting ended, so..."
"It's no good! Go down there and tell him it's no good! Make them go through that damned tie vote procedure again!"
"I can't really, and it seems simpler..."
"Simpler?" demanded Gerard, "What right do they have to simplicity? What right do they have to go through life easily when others struggle? Tell me that!"
"Well, being stuck in a fort with assorted killers, murderers, thieves, and possibly even lawyers is hardly simple and easy..."
"Enough! I'm going to go begin the tie vote proceedings!" Gerard strode down to the courtroom.
The vote was quickly untied.
"Ibn Khaldun, you have been selected by your fellow travelers to hung until dead," Gerard said as soldiers moved towards Ibn.
"This is ridiculous!" yelled Ibn Khaldun, "What have I done?"
A guard grabbed him from behind, pinning Ibn's arms to his side. Ibn roared and broke the hold, then threw the man to the ground. Another soldier came up and Ibn shoved him down too, trying to make his way to the gates. But a mob of soldiers jumped on him. With great difficulty five men carried the kicking and yelling Ibn to the gallows. Once there six men had to hold him while the noose was placed around his neck.
Gerard stared coldly at the scene. Finally, and without passion, he ordered, "Do it."
The trapdoor came open and Ibn fell with a roar.
When he jerked to a stop the roar ended, but Ibn continued to jerk and thrash violently in the noose for a good five minutes. After that his kicking slowed.
The executioner decided to wait a long time to make sure he was dead, and cut him down twenty minutes after the hanging had begun.
Gerard had stared over the faces of the crowd as Ibn died, watching them. An assembly of fools with only themselves to care about!
When the body of Ibn was placed next to the others Gerard spoke out,
"Go to your rooms, and pray you survive the night. We will do this again tomorrow."
It is now the night phase! This phase will last for 31 hours, until 8 pm PST Saturday March 20.
Ibn Khaldun: 9 (Joooray, Tincow, Yaropolk, Beefy, Myrddraal, Cap Blackadder, Methos, Autolycus, Renata)
Autolycus: 8 (ACIN, GH, pevergreen, ATPG, Yaseikhaan, thermal mercury, Ibn Khaldun, Psychonaut)
White Eyes: 5 (Beskar, Diamondeye, Jolt, Sasaki, TheFlax)
ATPG: 1 (csargo)
Tincow: 1 (atheotes)
Jolt: 1 (White Eyes)
Methos: 1 (subotan)
Sigurd: 1 (johnhughtom)
Alive:
Beskar
a completely inoffensive name
Diamondeye
Csargo
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
GeneralHankerchief
TinCow
pevergreen
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Subotan
Reenk Roink
Yaropolk
Sigurd
TheFlax
Yaseikhaan
slashandburn
Double A
Beefy187
Myrddraal
Cultured Drizzt fan
Scienter
Renata
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Captain Blackadder
Seon
Methos
Thermal Mercury
autolycus
johnhughtom
Psychonaut
Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 21:23
Pizza and whoever else, did you guys get that detective result on jolt thing figured out?
Double A
03-19-2010, 21:34
CR talked me into skimming and then voting. Hurray.
vote: Subotan
It's "pevergreen" not PEVERGREEN
He did that!?
Woot, bandwagon:
unvote, vote: Ibn :laugh4:
He's a popular guy.
Pizza, you're third on the second bandwagon. That is an entirely new kind of scuminess.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 21:54
Pizza and whoever else, did you guys get that detective result on jolt thing figured out?
I think his role PM reveal trumps a not-100%-accurate investigation. IMO he's clean.
Freaked out a little, I vote for Jolt and everyone bandwagons on after for unrelated reasons, the same happens with Autolycus. :creep:
I forgive you Subotan :tongue:
Either way I think Ibn was a better candidate, Autolycus didn't strike me as scum after he got the votes his posts weren't looking scummy IMO anyway, of course I don't know his behavior well enough to comment though.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-19-2010, 22:26
Well, nice game.
I could've snooped around a bit and find your mafia and get rid of them but .. :shrug:
I think that town could lose this time..
Well, nice game.
I could've snooped around a bit and find your mafia and get rid of them but .. :shrug:
I think that town could lose this time..
Bad luck, kiddo... it's not too bad over here in the dead pile, though.
Myrddraal
03-19-2010, 22:50
I'm rather surprised that the Ibn vote went as far as it did. After all, all we had against him was two hunches. I was expecting a bit of pressure and a bit more reaction from Ibn, not the runaway bandwagon that ensued....
I think his role PM reveal trumps a not-100%-accurate investigation. IMO he's clean.
Role PM reveals are not allowed, either in public or in private.
Role PM reveals are not allowed, either in public or in private.
Well It didn't stop one person who springs to mind. :grin:
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 23:33
Role PM reveals are not allowed, either in public or in private.
I know. He revealed publicly, and then he quickly deleted it after being told it was illegal.
The only problem is I can't delete it from my mind. Fortunately I don't have an eidetic memory and I only remember the gist of it.
I forgive you Subotan :tongue:
Now I can survive another night phase in peace :beam:
FEither way I think Ibn was a better candidate, Autolycus didn't strike me as scum after he got the votes his posts weren't looking scummy IMO anyway, of course I don't know his behavior well enough to comment though.
Neither of them were particularly good choices :shurg:
Role PM reveals are not allowed, either in public or in private.
Don't you mean quotes?
I know. He revealed publicly, and then he quickly deleted it after being told it was illegal.
The only problem is I can't delete it from my mind. Fortunately I don't have an eidetic memory and I only remember the gist of it.
Sasaki apparently has the whole thing anyway.
The write up suggests that Ibn was kinda dangerous, so scum or not, maybe it will prove right to have gotten him killed either way.
--
And I also wanted to let you know here that I will be gone for the rest of the weekend. I know that some people don't look to kindly on announcements like this, but there is little I can do.
So see you Monday.
Beefy187
03-20-2010, 01:52
I'm rather surprised that the Ibn vote went as far as it did. After all, all we had against him was two hunches. I was expecting a bit of pressure and a bit more reaction from Ibn, not the runaway bandwagon that ensued....
Fingers crossed he was guilty.
But yea I'm surprised too. Then again, only other strong cases was Jolt and we clearly decided against it.
I know. He revealed publicly, and then he quickly deleted it after being told it was illegal.
The only problem is I can't delete it from my mind. Fortunately I don't have an eidetic memory and I only remember the gist of it.
Ah, sorry... I thought you were saying you had seen the detective's role PM.
I still don't think you've answered the pertinent questions about your detective though. What did this person say that was good enough to get you to hit Jolt, and why did this person feel perfectly fine revealing to people he had not investigated?
Fingers crossed he was guilty.
:laugh4:
There's going to be alot of surprises in the next few day phases as everything that's happened thus far is revealed.
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 02:13
Ah, sorry... I thought you were saying you had seen the detective's role PM.
I still don't think you've answered the pertinent questions about your detective though. What did this person say that was good enough to get you to hit Jolt, and why did this person feel perfectly fine revealing to people he had not investigated?
Those are valid questions, just ones I don't feel comfortable discussing publicly.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-20-2010, 03:23
I think it's fine for it not to be discussed publicly. There's multiple people who know, presumably. They can't all be silenced.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-20-2010, 08:10
Those are valid questions, just ones I don't feel comfortable discussing publicly.
This is scummy. If one can't help the town and share information publicly then he must be scum. ~:P
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 08:24
This is scummy. If one can't help the town and share information publicly then he must be scum. ~:P
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/jackjoker1.jpg
I'm glad you're dead. :laugh4:
Ibn-Khaldun
03-20-2010, 10:18
I'm glad you're dead. :laugh4:
Are you sure? I mean, it was just a simple rope around my neck.. ~;)
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 20:58
Are you sure? I mean, it was just a simple rope around my neck.. ~;)
I think you just revealed more than you meant to.
:mellow:
And why was that?
Because he wasn't a turkish spy. Turkish spies would have a traveller cover role or a normal soldier cover role.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-20-2010, 22:02
I think you just revealed more than you meant to.
:mellow:
Are you sure?
What did I possibly revealed in my post? :rolleyes:
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 22:03
Are you sure?
What did I possibly revealed in my post? :rollingeyes:
Maybe nothing. Maybe something. I have my theories. :rolleyes:
Ibn-Khaldun
03-20-2010, 22:05
Well, at least I wasn't Turkish spy..
They usually die when they are hanged.. :grin2:
Kagemusha
03-20-2010, 22:07
Well, at least I wasn't Turkish spy..
They usually die when they are hanged.. :grin2:
So you are saying you are not dead?
If he's alive tommorrow, I suggest we lynch him again, douse his body with holy water, impale him through the head, the heart, the hands, and the legs against a brick wall and then decapitate him. Just to be safe.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-20-2010, 22:16
If he's alive tommorrow, I suggest we lynch him again, douse his body with holy water, impale him through the head, the heart, the hands, and the legs against a brick wall and then decapitate him. Just to be safe.
That would hurt... :no:
So you are saying you are not dead?
Well, I'm not saying anything..
Kagemusha
03-20-2010, 22:19
That would hurt... :no:
So you are suggesting you are somekind of supernatural special role?Well i doubt in that case you have atleast confirmed yourself as scum, if there are such roles.
Well, I'm not saying anything..
Just what you did in your earlier posts. I do wonder who have been partaking in any night actions with Ibn-Khaldun. Maybe some more scum might surface by looking into that.:inquisitive:
If he's alive tommorrow, I suggest we lynch him again, douse his body with holy water, impale him through the head, the heart, the hands, and the legs against a brick wall and then decapitate him. Just to be safe.
And if all else fails, use fire.
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 22:57
I recommend we find Ibn's corpse and we kill it with fire.
He was lynched, he's dead like myself and Kagemusha. ¬_¬
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