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Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans.


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Today we are proud to present the Boii, the oldest of all Celtic peoples in Europa Barbarorum. These eastern Celts pose a formidable threat to the entire continent. Their warriors are ferocious and battle hardened, their kings are mighty and crafty, and their coffers overflow with the riches of trade. They remember the ancient Celtic empire, and if it would be reforged, they would have it done at their hands. They have the power and sway to attempt such a feat, and need only a leader to carry forth their power in all directions.


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Faction Description

You have come to power by way of election, rightful heir of the great former king, and we honor you, as the selected master of our people. Your fathers were great, and their blood is in you. Their conquering stature has led them to victory over nations and kingdoms without count, driving the enemies and the wicked and the foolish to beyond our borders. In the life of your father, you were chosen, our lord, amongst your brothers and cousins, as the greatest to lead us. Now, you must prove it. You must be fair and just, brave and merciful, warlike and kind. With our enemies show mercy when they cower before you, and with our friends deal lavishly when they demonstrate their loyalty. Show favor to both former foe and long-time friend, that all may be unified in serving us, and experience the blessings of the safety and friendship we provide.

Long ago, our lands were the wellspring of true civilization. Here our ancient fathers forged our people and our ways; as true heroes they overcame foolishness with honor, and expelled the despots and wicked men from our lands. Our people are now ruled in true justice and fairness to all the children of the glorious Sky Father, who birthed our glorious race. Our walls stand strong, our herds are healthy and full, and the lordly halls resound with poetry and music glorifying our great warriors and heroes, invincible in their glory for eternity.

This greatness is threatened though. Our immediate concern should be for security of our prosperous and ancient people, for those who have gone out from us have been in many places turned back. Our brothers were wicked whom Taranis and other gods slew in the mountains of Hellas, but many great warriors have fallen as well to the swords and spears of those effeminate Makedones and cursed Romanoi. Worse still, the savage tribes of the far north are stirring at our borders. Their raids have shown what sort they are. They will not stop until defeated and subjugated, or until they control all we hold dear to us. All the villages, the farms, the little ranches, our homes, of innocent people even, who have never known war, they will seek them, and they will take them. Until justice is upturned and peace is a byword, they will not stop. We must break them. In war and violence, we must drive them back. Innocent and soldier alike will suffer the wrath of the enemy, and so their innocents, if such a thing truly exists among such people, and their warriors must suffer our wrath. We must teach them that we can mete out justice and wrath as well as trade in cattle and coin. Into our friendship we must bring, though, our kin, who shortsightedly set themselves against each other, rather than raising their sword, spear, and axe against our common foes. Together we will release a fury on our enemies that the world has not seen since ancient days.

Some among our enemies, those who are men wise, fair, and honorable, may yet join us, and we can use them against their tyrants, wretched men who pervert justice, abuse traditions, and scoff at their oaths. But first their raiders must meet with merciless steel, and so must all who would plunder of us of our women and carry off our cattle. When our enemies pass beneath our yoke and pledge fealty to you, we may forge an empire like that of old. As for our neighbors the Uolkai and Skordiskoi and other Keltoi, the Galatai across the mountains, and even the Pretanoi over the sea; these share much with us and many remember our ancient right to lead, and those who do not join us in gladness may soon learn to do so by force. We will send all our enemies hence from the world to the land beyond to face their judgements before the councils of law of Sukellos, who created all things.

There was a time when Keltoi controlled great amounts of land. They were confederated, allies. But that fell apart, and all we are doing now is holding onto the last strains of a great history. That can be changed, though. We still have life in us, and great smiths, warriors, and a glorious culture. We deserve the glory that was robbed from us by centuries of collapse and infighting. What have the many tribes but war and anger over who is right to rule? We can bring them peace, and unity, as it once was. We can bring them power to defeat their enemies. We can forge a grand kingdom, and by it rule a people who blanket the earth. We alone truly have the power to achieve such a task, to unite such a great and strong people. In our people alone may one find the wealth, the warlikeness, and the will. The barbarians in their villages will tremble at the sounding of our horns, the councils of our western tribes will entreat the fair rulings of our king, and Hellene and Romanos will quake lest they ever again break their oaths with us. Our glorious people deserve a lasting peace and a great kingdom, and we will give them one.


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The Faction Symbol

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The faction symbol for the Boii show its primary deity, the three faced Lugus. He was often compared with Mercury for its association with artisans, blacksmiths, traders and wanderers, and also for being inventor of all the arts and arbitrator of oaths and contracts. He is also compared with Woden or Wodanaz, for both are the patron deity of traders and travelers, and they also have similar symbology: the crow is, among others, a totemic animal for both deities, and both Wodanaz and Lugus' primary weapon is a spear.

Lugus was widely worshipped in the entire Celtic world, from Celtiberia to the Tin Islands all the way to Eastern Europe. But there are an elevated number of shrines dedicated to him in the Boii heartland, which is quite adequate considering the particularly favorable position of the Boii homeland for trade, standing at the crossroads of the most important trade lanes in Europe, including one of the most lucrative: the Amber Route.

This particular image is an adaptation of several findings located in the Boii homeland, modern day Bohemia or Czech Republic, that depict the three faced god Lugus.

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The Settlements


These will be the strategy map settlements for the "barbarian" culture, incluiding the Boii faction. Enjoy!

Village

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Town

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Large Town

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City

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Large City

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Huge City

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The Warriors

Argoi (Ar-goy - "Nobles")

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The Argoi belong to the cream of Celtic society, and make up some of the most elite warriors that the Celtic peoples can bring to bear.

They fight on foot with the best equipment money can buy: a fine quality longsword and the Gaesum, a sturdy war spear. Each soldier has a bronze Montefortino helmet, richly decorated and adorned with a plume, as well as a large shield painted with colourful patterns. Many can also afford to wear body armour of some sort, usually consisting of a hardened leather cuirass or simple mail shirt extending down to below the waist. As time passes, the increasing availability of iron and expanding wealth of the noble class leads to the Argoi becoming more and more heavily armoured, with most choosing to wear more advanced mail shirts, fitted with an extra protective layer over the shoulders. While in eastern Europe, a new type of iron helmet with improved neck protection, which would go on to form the basis for the "Coolus" type helmets of the Romani, becomes a common choice for many soldiers.

When in battle the Argoi are a awesome sight to behold. Leading the Celtic host from the front, these men can break the enemy in one furious charge. Capable of bringing down cavalry with their long spears or hacking apart infantry with their swords, they have little to fear on the battlefield except missile fire. As such, they should endeavour to close with the enemy quickly. Their morale is second to none and given that they stand to lose the most in the event of a defeat, are highly motivated. First on the field and last off it, they leave a lasting impression on the few who survive an encounter with them.

Historically, these men were from the uppermost level of Celtic society. Powerful and very rich, they could afford the finest things in life. Even though they wore gold torcs, bracelets, rich clothes and other finery, they were certainly not decadent fools. Their position was gained by and maintained only through years of constant vigilance and military prowess, something they honed through daily training. Given the time taken to rise to such a level, most were middle aged men in the prime of life but toughened by the many challenges they have faced. This made them less reckless or eager for glory than the younger warriors, and a formidable foe to face.

To bolster their authority and protect themselves in battle, they would maintain a retinue of vassals and clients, such as the famed Solduroi of the Aquitanians, whom they would equip at the expense of their own pockets. It was the expansion of this vassalage system that lead to the formation of the large and well armed professional armies of the late Celtic era, and the decline of the freeman class.


Early Era

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Middle Era

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Late Era

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Batoroi (Bah-tor-oy - "Combatants")

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Coming from the upper end of the freemen class, the Batoroi are able to live as full time professional soldiers. They can afford to arm themselves with the longswords, a very prestigious weapon in Celtic society, and their relative wealth is also shown in the finer quality of garments they wear, although some still choose to fight bare chested and most will also have bronze or iron torcs around their necks, to signify their higher status in society. For protection, they carry large good quality shields and sometimes a metal helmet. Only a few have any form of body armour, usually in the way of a leather cuirass. In later periods, the prevalence and quality of armour increases, with more soldiers wearing leather cuirasses, or on rare occasions a mail shirt. Metal helmets were adopted almost universally, but leather headwear was not uncommon.

The Batoroi are ferocious in combat. Following common Celtic battle tactics, they loose their javelins at the enemy before attempting to rout them with a single powerful charge. Even if their foes withstand this initial assault, the excellent morale of Batoroi means they are more than willing to continue the fight in close melee, where their longswords can prove extremely deadly.

Historically, the Celtic world of antiquity was a semi-feudal society, comprising of a warrior aristocracy ruling over vassals and freemen. These soldiers are those of the freemen class, who have chosen to follow the way of the warrior and fight for their tribe, freedom, glory or loot.

They fought with a wide variety of weapons, which they had to provide and maintain themselves, so only the wealthier could afford to fight as a full time warrior. Most of these men, despite their lowly position, were no weaklings, having excellent morale, combined with a tenacious battle spirit. They made up the majority of soldiers in the early Celtic armies that struck terror into the inhabitants of Italy and Greece in the IV-III centuries BC. Due mainly to the expansion of vassalage among the Celts in later times, the number of these free men in armies decreased, with lords preferring to pay for and equip vassals or bondsmen to fight for them, although many warriors of the free class would still choose to show up in force on the battlefield.


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Uisusparos Kingetoi (Wai-soo-spar-os kin-get-oy - "Excellent Spear Warriors")

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These soldiers come from the middle of the freemen class and can afford to commit themselves fully to the warrior life. Comprising mostly of young to middle aged men, they can be found serving as mercenaries in many armies all across Europe and even Anatolia.

Being moderately well off, they can afford some basic protection in the form of a large shield and maybe a simple helmet. They commonly fight bare chested, armed with the Gaesum, the famed Celtic war spear, and a clutch of javelins. When in battle, they prefer to fight in a dense shieldwall formation, maximizing the protection afforded by their shields, and using their spears to fight off infantry and especially cavalry, who may suffer greatly should they try to attack the formation head on. Given that their shield is their only form of protection, they are vulnerable to missile fire from the flanks or rear and thus need to take care when unsupported by their own missile troops. When on the offensive, the Uisusparos Kingetoi will hurl their javelins to weaken and disrupt the enemy's formation, before attempting to break them in a single terrifying charge. They can also act as impromptu skirmishers if the situation calls for it.

Historically, the Celtic world of antiquity was a semi-feudal society, comprising of a warrior aristocracy ruling over vassals and freemen. These soldiers are those of the freemen class, who have chosen to follow the way of the warrior and fight for their tribe, freedom, glory or loot.

They fought with a wide variety of weapons, which they had to provide and maintain themselves, so only the wealthier could afford to fight as a full time warrior. Most of these men, despite their lowly position, were no weaklings, having excellent morale, combined with a tenacious battle spirit. They made up the majority of soldiers in the early Celtic armies that struck terror into the inhabitants of Italy and Greece in the IV-III centuries BC. Due mainly to the expansion of vassalage among the Celts in later times, the number of these free men in armies decreased, with lords preferring to pay for and equip vassals or bondsmen to fight for them, although many warriors of the free class would still choose to show up in force on the battlefield.

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Berukomtouga Selgoi (Beh-roo-com-too-gah Sell-goy - "Arrow and Bow Hunters")

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These soldiers, coming from the poorer end of the freemen class, cannot afford much war equipment and thus fight with a simple bow and spear. The Celtic bow or Tougi, is a simple self bow most commonly used for hunting. While able to fire arrows across a reasonable range and with a respectable force, it does not compare to the war bows used by the peoples of the Asian Steppes. Protected by nothing but their clothes and occasionally a helmet, these huntsmen are at a severe disadvantage when fighting archery duels against professional ranged troops, and should avoid such confrontations at all costs.

The Berukomtouga Selgoi are part-time soldiers at best. Being unable to afford the life of a warrior for long, they mostly consist of hunters who will tag along during a campaign, before returning to their simpler livelihoods. As such, they are not particularly fierce and should not be expected to hold for long in combat, although their spears give them an edge over other archers and provide some defence from cavalry. Their common role is to harass and soften up the enemy, rather than to cause any real damage. However, they are fast moving, and their arrows are not entirely harmless: they can become deadly in their own right if positioned correctly.

Historically, the Celtic world of antiquity was a semi-feudal society, comprising of a warrior aristocracy ruling over vassals and freemen. These soldiers are those of the freemen class, who have chosen to follow the way of the warrior and fight for their tribe, freedom, glory or loot.

They fought with a wide variety of weapons, which they had to provide and maintain themselves, so only the wealthier could afford to fight as a full time warrior. Most of these men, despite their lowly position, were no weaklings, having excellent morale, combined with a tenacious battle spirit. They made up the majority of soldiers in the early Celtic armies that struck terror into the inhabitants of Italy and Greece in the IV-III centuries BC. Due mainly to the expansion of vassalage among the Celts in later times, the number of these free men in armies decreased, with lords preferring to pay for and equip vassals or bondsmen to fight for them, although many warriors of the free class would still choose to show up in force on the battlefield.

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The Boii in 3D


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The History of the Boii

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But although the Boii in Cisalpine Gaul were the first known to history, it has long been the conclusion of archaeologists and historians that their original homeland lay in the east. The precise cause of the Boian invasion of Italy is unknown: the pressures of overpopulation, a dynastic struggle, expulsion by victorious enemies - the Boii seem the archetype of the wandering Celt, large numbers of their people being able and willing to undertake immense journeys when necessary.


The Celts, being close neighbours of the Etruscans and associating much with them, cast covetous eyes on their beautiful country, and on a small pretext, suddenly attacked them with a large army and, expelling them from the plain of the Po, occupied it themselves... On the southern bank of the Po, by the Apennines, the first settlers beginning from the west were the Anares and next them the Boii...When the Boii, seeing the Senones expelled from their territory, and fearing a like fate for themselves and their own land, implored the aid of the Etruscans and marched out in full force. The united armies gave battle to the Romans near Lake Vadimon, and in this battle most of the Etruscans were cut to pieces while only a few of the Boii escaped. Despite this disaster, in the very next year these two peoples once more combined and arming their young men, even the mere striplings, again encountered the Romans in a pitched battle. They were utterly defeated and it was only now that their courage at length gave way and that they sent an embassy to sue for terms and made a treaty with the Romans. This took place three years before the crossing of Pyrrhus to Italy and five years before the destruction of the Gauls at Delphi (i.e., 283 BCE); for it really seems that at this time Fortune afflicted all Gauls alike with a sort of epidemic of war.

Polybius, Book 2, 17-20 et passim

As this first serious mention of the Boii in historical sources shows, to the Romans, Greeks, and Etruscans, the Celts appeared to come from beyond the borders of the known world, and in great numbers. They were savages; wanderers with no fixed abode, no civilized arts, no culture, living out of their wagons, the bane of settled men. Huge and hairy, but simple-minded and superstitious and with no ability to plan for the future. They could sack Rome, but lacked the foresight to keep it. Their defeat was always inevitable.

We know now that much of this is not true. Even in the early periods of the Hallstatt culture, Bohemia was a vital part of the development of the Celtic material culture that culminated in the master craftsmen of the La Tene periods, and the 2nd century BCE wave of oppida-building that swept across northwestern Europe was not restricted to the more familiar Gaul: Braunsberg, Hrazany, Stradonice, Zavist, Manching and Stare Hradisko are only some of the major sites of dense population. Archaeology has shown us that the Boii and other Celtic peoples of central Europa were developing a sophisticated material culture, practised advanced agriculture and landscape management, and maintained many lines of cultural exchange, both with other Celtic peoples to the west and with the Etruscan and Greek peoples to the south.

The early period of the Hallstatt 'Princedoms' suddenly underwent radical changes sometime between 500 and 450 BCE. This time has frequently been seen as the result of an invasion by Celtic war-bands into Bohemia as part of a "Celtic migration period" that culminated in the sack of Rome ca. 387 BCE, but a detailed examination of the evidence suggests a complex pattern of cultural change and continuity. Whatever the cause, significant upheaval was indeed taking place in early 4th century BCE Bohemia: flat inhumation burials, similar to the Bohemian sites, appear in Moravia and south-western Slovakia, and similar forms of material culture and settlement structure stretch from Bohemia over north-eastern Austria, Moravia and south-west Slovakia into the Hungarian plains south-west and north of the Danube. At the time in question, many of these burial sites were suddenly abandoned - as we think, because many of the Boii had left on their great trek to the west.

Strong connections in the material culture link the sites in Bohemia and Moravia to those of the historically attested Boii of northern Italy. Although it is not certain whether the people inhabiting all these areas were actually identifying themselves as Boii at this period, a zone of very similar material cultures had developed in central Europe by the time the Boii had become prominent in the history of the region. While they established no oppida in Italy, it is likely that they mixed with the Etruscan population: burials have been discovered with Etruscans in Boian graves sites and Etruscan men were often buried with Celtic grave goods. Female graves too had Etruscan vases, gold earrings and other items found alongside Celtic artifacts, such as a bracelet of Bohemian motifs.

The Boii remained in the Po valley until the end of the 3rd century BCE, defending their lands both against other Celts (they repelled an invasion of Transalpine Gauls in 230 BCE) and against the growing Roman hegemony. Defeat at the Battle of Telamon and alliance with the ultimately defeated Hannibal meant the end of their power there, but the Boii in central Europe remained a vibrant and significant group. Their power had increased during the 2nd century BCE, and by the last decades of that century their large oppida held sway over large swaths of land well beyond the traditional borders of the lands of the Boii. Based on coinage, material culture, and scattered literary references, the Boii exercised significant political and economic influence, and in many cases had in fact settled, regions to their west (modern Bavaria), to their north (Silesia in Poland), and to their south and east, where the Pannonian and Eraviscian plains on either side of the Danube river became home to Boii settlers.

They fought off the Cimbri and Teutones, and judging by the prominent warrior Boiorix, some of the Boii very well may have joined the marauding armies from the North, which headed down the Danube laying waste their enemies before worsting a Roman army at the Battle of Noreia in 112 BCE. In subsequent decades they continued to assert their power in Central Europe. Most notably they invested the city of Noreia itself, the linchpin to the metals trade in Norica. Their dominance of the metals trade is evidenced by the large caches of high quality coinage minted in various Boian mints in the early and middle 1st century BCE.

But it was at the very height of their power and influence that the Boii began to decline. When a contingent of Boii warriors joined the Helvetii on their 59 BCE migration westwards into Gaul, those who remained in their eastern homeland were already facing the foes who would eventually defeat them: first the Dacians, and then the Marcomanni. Between 50 and 40 BCE the Dacian king Burebista won a major victory over the Boii in the Hungarian plains, which proved decisive in ending a century or more of Boii dominance in that region; the oppidum at Bratislava was abandoned and the 'Velem'-type coinage of the region came to an end. So sudden was the depopulation that Pliny called the area deserta Boiorum- the Empty Lands of the Boii.

The Boii who had gone with the Helvetii fared no better: after defeat by Caesar, the Aedui settled the surviving Boii at Gorgobina, from whence they unfortunately supported Vercingetorix, and then faded from history.

In their homeland, their days as a viable political force ended in 9 BCE, when Maroboduos led the Marcomani into Boii-haimoz. There he capitalized on the infrastructure built into those lands through the long tenure of the Boii, establishing the first Elbe Germanic kingdom, and subjugating the remaining Boii in the region. The Boii were either absorbed into the Germanic society of their conquerors or left the home of their origin for the last time, crossing into Roman territory and leaving only some place-names behind, unless, as a few scholars think, the emergence of the Baiovarii (later known as the Bavarians) 500 years later shows the persistence of one of the greatest of the Celtic peoples - or at least the memory of their name.

Suggested Reading

Beyond the Rubicon: Romans and Gauls in Republican Italy, JHC Williams
Celtic Culture: a Historical Encyclopedia
The Ancient Celts, Barry Cunliffe



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*Iaktis Apokeltôn - The Gallic language





There are many language changes for the Celts in EB2 and, at first, these may seem overwhelming to those not familiar with what they mean or the unusual spelling seldom seen. First, and perhaps most important, Gaulish is primarily a reconstructed language. There are not enough surviving records of the language to become 100% certain on certain aspects. In addition one can refer to the language as either Gallic or Gaulish interchangeably. The information seen here comes from various Gallic dictionaries on the topic, most being published in French. Gone is the Latin terminology that was seen in for many units EB1. The Gaulish language employed the use of Greek alphabets originally. Upon the conquest of Gaul in the 50s B.C., the Celts would have retained using Greek alphabets but as generations and 'Romanization' progressed, the former Greek system would have given way to Latin script. An exception could be the Provence, in southern Gaul, whose resident tribal population was exposed to 'Romanization' soon after 121 B.C., much earlier than their kin in the rest of Gaul. However, the majority of Greek based Gaulish is found in the south of Gaul, and the Latin in the central and north. Therefore in 272 B.C. the Gallic units will overwhelmingly use Gaulish as the base for the naming conventions for the Celtic military units that EB2 will have.

Gaulish is similar to Latin and Greek pronunciations and structure. The letter ‘c’ is always pronounced hard like the letter ‘k’, and not as an ‘s’ or ‘ch’ sound. The Gaulish letter ‘g’ sounds like what is heard in “go” or “get,” but does not sound like ‘j’ as in the name Joel or “jump.” In the same manner as classical Latin, the letter ‘v’ would sound like a ‘w’ or a soft “wou” sound. The letter ‘x’ in Gaulish could have been either a hard ‘k’, as in the word tech, or a ‘tch’ sound as in kitchen.

In other spelling and grammar changes for EB2, the Latin ‘v’ becomes the letter ‘u’. French linguists and authors of Gaulish dictionaries use ‘u’ instead of the Latin ‘v’ or the phonetically similar ‘w’. To best illustrate these changes, consider the personal name Vercingetorix which in this case uses the familiar Latin spelling. The way this name would sound to an ancient Gaul would be similar to Wou/Wer-kin-get-o-riks, however the way it would be spelled in game is Uerkingetorix. As mentioned before, the Latin soon became the norm in speech and in spelling. A tribe, such as the *Arikomikoi (the letter ‘k’ and the -oi ending using Greek, thus a Gallic spelling) would now be recorded as the Arecomici; the letter ‘k’ and the ending –oi eventually giving way to the Latin letter ‘c’ and the ending –i.


In addition to these changes ongoing effort is made to correct the vowel stems making sure they are modified for accurate use in the Gallic tongue and writing. One popular word for ‘warrior’ in Gaulish is ‘kingetos’ (an o-stem) which is a singular term (nominative singular or nom. sing.). This becomes ‘kingetoi’ when denoting more than one warrior (nominative plural or nom. pl.). A Gallic word for bridge, briua (an a-stem), would become *briuas or *briuias if speaking of many bridges. Other units featuring an a, e, i, o, or u-stems are treated the same. These are some of the many changes you will see for the Celts, both continental and Insular, in an effort to attune the names close as possible to what was written and spoken thousands of years ago.


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*Atergkeltôn - Celtic Reforms





The Celtic world c.200 B.C. (other sources say c.150 B.C.) underwent a vast and somewhat sweeping change on the continent. Burials appear with more and more iron weapons and items. Shields become reinforced with extra metal components and the shield bosses enlarge over time. Outside of military uses iron farming implements, tools, personal items, and common household items turn up in much greater quantities than before. This great increase in iron output was not a lone regional oddity but can be traced all over continental Europe, especially within the burial panoplies by comparing early 3rd century B.C. burials with ones after 200 B.C. As in EB1 there will be 3 reform periods that will take place for the Celtic factions. When these reforms happen certain units within the factional rosters will, in essence, upgrade to a more powerful and deadly (also more expensive) version. Among these chronological changes come new helmets for certain units (such as Montefortinos giving way to Port or Agen style helmets on some units), the amount of leather and chainmail armor they use, and even the bosses upon their shield will progresses from smaller bosses to large ones in the later La Tene period which is represented in the last reform. These sweeping changes, however, will be restricted to certain noble units and some widespread units from the middle class. Archers and other low end units will not change in appearance. In addition, during these reforms certain units will appear that were not encountered before within your kingdom, denoting changes within the inner workings of Celtic society as it transitions from chiefdoms and monarchies to semi-feudal societies governed by nobles and senators, the magistrates and constitutional law, and the mighty uergobretoi. These leading men, in turn, are supported by their ever increasing number of vassals and men-at-arms both on foot and on horseback which can signal the slow decline of the free middle class.

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*Keltôn Adranda Kondukta - The Class system of Celtic society




The societies and the political progressions that occurred in the Celtic society are modeled into the games and also into the units and their roles in the changing society. Leaders and nobles sought increase their following. This was always the case in the Celtic societies of Iron Age Western Europe. The Celts, who were the bravest warriors in Europe at the time, lived in a society that revolved around ones accumulation of personal prestige, renown, honor, and glory. Each tribe was essentially independent of each other and interaction between these tribes resulted in the upper class to both cooperated and also compete against each other. For the nobles this, in part, revolved around the number of vassals, men-at-arms, or clients (uassoi or ambaktoi). These terminologies even borrowed themselves into ancient Germanic as *ambahtaz and the English words ‘vassal’ and ‘ambassador’ derive from these ancient words. For EB2 these distinctions can be split into 4 overall class types: The nobility and aristocracy, the free men of the tribe or state, the vassals, and those that live mostly outside of the normal society.

Within this overview one can understand that the Celts did have a semi-feudal society where lords and his retinue are at the top, followed by lesser warriors and then the common man. The first class, and the top of this arrangement are, of course, the kings, nobles and aristocracy, uergobretoi, chiefs, and other leading men in the highest and most prestigious positions of authority. This group is represented in the Bouiroi by the Argoi and the Mogeto Epatias. They, in turn, would have another class, retinues of armed vassals or clients, in tow to support their often violent and martial ambitions. This second class in EB2 is grouped along the lines of their ‘duties’ within a military context. These range from the greatest followers like the Kombaragoues and Solduroi who can be considered the circle of most esteemed trusted followers for nobles, kings, and chiefs. For lesser vassals there are those that fulfill the role of “infantry of the line” and also mounted cavalry contingents. Next is the class of the Celtic free men. These are represented by such units and the Batoroi, Gargokladioi, Uisusparos Kingetoi and the Acus Eporedoi. These units become the backbone of your forces at least initially (until the vassals appear in the later reforms to further supplement your armies while the free class diminishes somewhat) and will provide warriors of great loyalty and drive as they stand to lose their freedoms should they falter in their bravery and warfare. At the bottom of this we find the archers, skirmishers, slingers, and other fighters that are more for support than melee, yet are still freemen who may not follow consistently the path of the warrior and could arguably consist of a class of their own. Outside of this normal structure is the fourth class. Warrior bands such as the Agospenoi Combaro or Gaisatoi, who perhaps do not fit within the so called ‘normal’ standards of Gallic society, are freemen also but follow their own leaders and fortunes.


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Video

As a special treat for you guys, we have got a video featuring the Boii in battle against the Getai. courtesy of JMRC:


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Disclaimer: The General/FM models and the animations (namely the shield positioning) are still WIP. In some places the video is "choppy" due to video-capturing problems.


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We hope you have enjoyed this preview of our new Boii faction in Europa Barbarorum II.

Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures, names, and descriptions shown in our previews are works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and we will continue to do so long after our initial release.

Since some areas where these news items are posted cannot handle wide images, we appreciate your restraint from quoting full-size images.

As always, if you have questions or comments, the best place to post them is here, where the EB team is most active:

Europa Barbarorum ORG forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=70)

Europa Barbarorum TWC forum (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31)

A special thanks to Tux and JMRC for their excellent models and renders, Gustave for his wonderful unit skins and artwork, to Foot and Bozos for the implementation of the strategy map models in game, JMRC for the video, Bobbin for the unit descriptions, and to Power2the1, Oudysseos, Paullus, Cmaqq and Anthony for the historical info and text work.

Have a great day
The Europa Barbarorum team.

Cadwalader
03-01-2010, 22:12
Yes! Yes!

Oh, and fantastic work as always. Thank you for sharing this with us!

Christianus
03-01-2010, 22:13
Thats the one:D

SwissBarbar
03-01-2010, 22:21
Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Megas Methuselah
03-01-2010, 22:23
WOW!!!!!

Urg
03-01-2010, 22:24
really niiice...

Love all the detailed information. Thanks guys.

GenosseGeneral
03-01-2010, 22:26
Great, great! some other power in middle europe to encounter getai and sweboz...
whenever there is a preview, i think i found the power i will lead first, but this lasts only until next preview...

SwissBarbar
03-01-2010, 22:30
Oh my god, will the Celtic Towns have these cool earth-walls under the ... well..."real" walls, like the huge city here?

Power2the1
03-01-2010, 22:32
Hey, just wanted to tell everyone that the pronunciations will be updated soon. Argoi should be pronounced like Ar-goy, not Ar-go-eye like in the preview. The -oi in some of the names sound like toy or boy. Apologies for this! :sweatdrop:

anubis88
03-01-2010, 22:39
YES YES YES YES!!!!!

Megas Methuselah
03-01-2010, 22:40
I love the new cities, though. It's really nice to finally see the Celts be able to build up some huge cities.

Reno Melitensis
03-01-2010, 22:51
A great preview once again, well done EB team.

Cheers.

fraoula
03-01-2010, 23:10
Thank you so much for this one.

Sarkiss
03-01-2010, 23:12
beautiful units, thumbs up to the creators.

excellent preview, thanks guys.

Lusitani
03-01-2010, 23:12
YEAH!!!! More roman head hunters!!!!
But... what is the celtic empire referred in the text? :P

V.

Horatius Flaccus
03-01-2010, 23:16
Great preview! Love the 3 evolution stages.

But am I the only one who doesn't get the tool working?

EDIT: The tool is now working and it's awsome!

WinsingtonIII
03-01-2010, 23:25
Wow! You guys weren't lying when you said this was a big preview, I haven't even watched the video or used the 3D tool yet and it's taken me over a half an hour to go through everything!

It's overwhelmingly awesome though, I really like the helmets on the late Argoi especially.

Keep up the great work!

Tux
03-01-2010, 23:34
But am I the only one who doesn't get the tool working?
Humm that's weird, the few members who tested it worked for them. I've also asked more people to do that.

Can you tell me if you have and which not of the following dll's in C:\WINDOWS\system32 path:

'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\user32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\gdi32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\opengl32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\advapi32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\rpcrt4.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\secur32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\glu32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ddraw.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\dciman32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntmarta.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\samlib.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\wldap32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\atioglxx.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\version.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ws2_32.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ws2help.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll'
'C:\WINDOWS\system32\mcd32.dll'

Some are of course present in any windows os and I'm unsure if the app. runs in other os than win xp.
I suggest using the compatibility option for that.

Cartaphilus
03-01-2010, 23:42
Awesome preview!!!
Congratulations for the team.

I will play the Boii first of all.

Horatius Flaccus
03-01-2010, 23:44
Never mind Tux, I figured it out, just had to update my drivers. :shame:

Phalanx300
03-02-2010, 00:04
An great previews again!

Looks like the Boii will be quite an trouble to beat seeing the huge land mass they start out with, beating Adui and Arverni combined. :dizzy2:

Anyways some nice new units, the nobles do look great!

Edit: Perhaps when an new faction is announced it could show the minimap with all confirmed factions on it, to get an clearer view on things?

Noble Wrath
03-02-2010, 00:07
It was well worth the wait. The units beautiful (I really like the ''soft'' and ''earthen'' colours that units have in EB2), the faction intriguing, the effort to represent the social structure in game commendable.
If I may quote (and paraphrase) the words of Saruman to Frodo after his final defeat in the Shire: ''You have grown EB Team. Yes, you have grown very much. You are wise,and cruel".
There is only one thing I would ask from you. Please do not release the game before I finish university (sometime later this year) or I will never be able to finish it!

HunGeneral
03-02-2010, 00:10
Now this is really a large preview... I still have the tool an the video to view... If I would have to find a word for ll of this then it would be: AWESOME or even better: FANTASTIC!!!

bobbin
03-02-2010, 00:22
Glad to see this all come together. It's all amazing stuff!

J.R.M
03-02-2010, 00:49
OMG! Awesome, fantastic, incredible! There´re no words in English to describe this, so i´ll search in spanish... well maybe i should just write a chilenism:
La raja CTM!! la kago...
Please dont try to search what it means. xD
Thx very very very much EB team.

-Praetor-
03-02-2010, 01:03
@J.R.M.: Jaaaaaajajajajaja, si se cachó, la mala cuea que tenís es que justo tienes un chileno dentro del equipo de EB-II. Pero estoy de acuerdo, el mod es la cagá. :P

@Phalanx300: Everything you see is WIP. Particularly, the name and the starting provinces are being currently revised, so both will most probably change in the near future.

Belisarius II
03-02-2010, 01:13
My god, the Romans may actually have to fight for northern Italy!

Bucefalo
03-02-2010, 01:14
There aren´t words even in spanish to describe this masterpiece, so i will make a comparison: After porn this is the best thing on the internet :clown:

I am deeply impressed, specially with the 3D tool: man those units looks so much more alive! You feel almost as if you had the game already! A world of difference from the screenshots without doubt, so i greatly appreciate the effort put into such program.

I almost can´t criticize anything, but i should point at some things to improve, in my mind it would be perhaps the quiver of the archers. They are probably WIP still, but they seem like they are going to fall to the land nearby, as if they needed more tieing to the sash? Very minor thing thought.

Other thing which i was wondering is that you mention in the preview that the Boii nobles, the Argoi unit, use both spears and swords. It seems from the screens that you plan to have them ingame use both weapons as well. I say this because as far as i know in M2TW if you give a foot unit both spears and swords (basically 2 melee weapons, one primary and one secondary) they will act buggy and do not use their spears or swords when ordered, but randomly changing between them. This can be pretty bad for the player because it is quite hard to have them use spears agaisnt cavalry, and swords agaisnt infantry. I imagine that for the ai would be even worse. So my question is, do you plan for the Argoi to use 2 melee weapons (spear and sword)? and if so, do you have any plan to address this issue of having no control over which weapon use the unit?

Ok i think i´ve written enough... i guess i will have to watch the video now, ohh the hype. Thanks EB team for another awesome preview, you´re the best :2thumbsup:

stratigos vasilios
03-02-2010, 01:33
After porn this is the best thing on the internet :clown::

Hahahahahahahah! Infact I tend to check up on EB before I go to porn...it's all about priorities.

Outstanding work! Looks amazing!

KARTLOS
03-02-2010, 01:39
NICE WORK CHAPS!

J.R.M
03-02-2010, 01:41
Praetor: Si sabia que eras chileno, pero dudo que se pueda traducir el significado al 100% en ingles, This mod Is DA SHIT!

Christianus
03-02-2010, 02:04
Is there supposed to be sound on the video? Mine is silent... Im using VLC player, Windows media wouldnt take it.

Kikaz
03-02-2010, 02:21
I loves its...

Krusader
03-02-2010, 02:23
Is there supposed to be sound on the video? Mine is silent... Im using VLC player, Windows media wouldnt take it.

No. No sound.

Andy1984
03-02-2010, 02:59
I just watched the video: absolutely stunning, the way they charge, fight and die. The helmets, feathers on the helmets, softly coloured clothing,... marvellous. I was also pleasantly surprised by the looks of the grass. Since I never really got into MTW2, I'm not sure whether that has been modded or not. Looking forward to having my legions massacred by these soldiers,

congratulations,

Andy

ps: we should 'compare' this video and preview with the standard warbands we found in vanilla RTW in Central Europe...
ps2: please note the design of the barbarian cities around the gates: no more funelling through the gates once you sabotaged it.

Biowulf
03-02-2010, 03:03
I haven't even watched the vid and I'm in love. I think I'll play these guys first they look AMAZING!
Great job!

burn_again
03-02-2010, 04:55
Awesome!

oudysseos
03-02-2010, 05:14
YEAH!!!! More roman head hunters!!!!
But... what is the celtic empire referred in the text? :P

V.

Really just a little poetic license- a reference to the Hallstatt homeland of all Celtic material culture that the Boii remained close to. 'Empire' is a bit of an exaggeration but sounds cool, and it's not like the Irish or Scots never embellish stories in the telling...

Cute Wolf
03-02-2010, 06:10
Yay! Yay! Yay!!!!

Great Job EB Team.... http://www.kaskus.us/images/smilies/shakehand2.gif
BTW..... http://www.kaskus.us/images/smilies/sumbangan/smiley_beer.gif A treat for all.... cheerrrssss......

Allhopeforhumanity
03-02-2010, 06:33
Looks awesome, but was the video somewhat laggy for anyone else? I know that sometimes using fraps slows down some programs. I was just wondering if that was the case or if windows media player was just being lame.

Biowulf
03-02-2010, 06:38
It probably was fraps since mine was laggy at times too. Right under the video DL link is a little disclaimer as well saying that parts will be choppy due to the vid-capturing program.

Brave Brave Sir Robin
03-02-2010, 07:28
Great preview guys! Keep up the great work!

Ibrahim
03-02-2010, 08:28
SWEET!! a faction to act as a buffer. that will be a great addition to the game.

but darn! its six days too early :clown:

EDIT: they might be able to fight the sweboz, as well as the getai. hence the "buffer" title.

Tellos Athenaios
03-02-2010, 08:36
Some are of course present in any windows os and I'm unsure if the app. runs in other os than win xp.
I suggest using the compatibility option for that.

When I tested it, I ran it under Wine so I'd assume its fairly portable between Windows versions.

Hotseat_User
03-02-2010, 09:27
:dizzy2: :smash: :sunny:

this is beautiful work! I'm so looking forward to enjoy playing them. Take your time!

Jurdagat
03-02-2010, 11:23
Amazing as always!
Great preview!

darius_d
03-02-2010, 12:38
Wow, what a blow up. Voilà our longly waited Valentine present.
Thanks a lot EB guys. Keep up the great job.
I am happy for this faction and I voted for it.

Phalanx300
03-02-2010, 13:51
Just really noticed, what is the cavalry man shown? Will it be for an later preview?

Gustave
03-02-2010, 13:54
Hehe yes every little card show a different unit. You have not seen everything yet !

-Praetor-
03-02-2010, 14:08
This one is the first of three previews. You've got a lot to see yet from the Boii :beam:

Maximus of Phoenicia
03-02-2010, 14:49
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FInALLY SOMETHIN FOR THE SWEBOZ TO WORRY ABOUT(faints)

athanaric
03-02-2010, 14:50
Excellent. That finally eliminates the need for some scripted generals.
On a side note, will they have Gaesatae or something like this?

Subotan
03-02-2010, 15:11
Superb stuff. Keep up the good work EB Team.

On a side note, will Northern Italy be considered a homeland, or an expansion region?

Ludens
03-02-2010, 15:21
~:thumb:


On a side note, will they have Gaesatae or something like this?


Outside of this normal structure is the fourth class. Warrior bands such as the Agospenoi Combaro or Gaisatoi, who perhaps do not fit within the so called ‘normal’ standards of Gallic society, are freemen also but follow their own leaders and fortunes.


On a side note, will Northern Italy be considered a homeland, or an expansion region?

Since the government system of EB2 is completely different from EB1, I doubt provinces will still be classified according to this system.


Hey, just wanted to tell everyone that the pronunciations will be updated soon. Argoi should be pronounced like Ar-goy, not Ar-go-eye like in the preview. The -oi in some of the names sound like toy or boy. Apologies for this! :sweatdrop:

~:thumb:

Power2the1
03-02-2010, 15:28
Really just a little poetic license- a reference to the Hallstatt homeland of all Celtic material culture that the Boii remained close to. 'Empire' is a bit of an exaggeration but sounds cool, and it's not like the Irish or Scots never embellish stories in the telling...

I forgot about that empire part. I was thinking it thought that it was the one that Ambikatos/Ambigatus/Ambicatus had

Arthur, king of the Britons
03-02-2010, 15:41
Great job EB team! :2thumbsup:

Skullheadhq
03-02-2010, 16:31
This makes me so happy ;)

anubis88
03-02-2010, 16:50
This one is the first of three previews. You've got a lot to see yet from the Boii :beam:

Seriously? All 3 previews are on the Boii?? AWESOME....

Just one question. Is this the occultus faction that you gave to us to try and figure out which one it is? You know, after Bobbin found out about the Bosphoran Kingdom

Skoran
03-02-2010, 16:55
Is it normal the video doesn't have any sound?

Aulus Caecina Severus
03-02-2010, 17:10
WOW!!!!!

RE-WOW!!!!!

Horatius Flaccus
03-02-2010, 17:44
Is it normal the video doesn't have any sound?



Is there supposed to be sound on the video? Mine is silent... Im using VLC player, Windows media wouldnt take it.No. No sound.

So yes, it's normal.

athanaric
03-02-2010, 17:47
The Komatai Toxotai we see in the video, will they have spears, too?

Apázlinemjó
03-02-2010, 18:37
Oh man, a Central-European celtic faction...oh man I don't want EB2 to be released, because I won't finish the university either. ;o

Lusitani
03-02-2010, 20:44
Really just a little poetic license- a reference to the Hallstatt homeland of all Celtic material culture that the Boii remained close to. 'Empire' is a bit of an exaggeration but sounds cool, and it's not like the Irish or Scots never embellish stories in the telling...

I think it has to do with Guinness and whisky... lol.
How can anyone not accept that as an answer... lol
Cheers!

V.

Maeran
03-02-2010, 23:54
I've not looked at all the pics or the tool yet because my connection is having trouble with loading it all. Oh, how the EB gods taunt us. The video looks great- I especially love the jostling crush of the melee. And the officer/signifer's helmet :)

Is it me or do the units switch between two shield positions? A vertical shield (I'll call it 'closed') position, like we are used to in EB1 and a horizontal 'open' position. Do these mean anything (e.g. is the open position a more aggressive stance, while the closed one is defensive) or are they simply two equal options for the engine to choose from?

EDIT: Ah, missed that bit, bobbin.

bobbin
03-02-2010, 23:59
No, its just that the animations are not finished yet.

Disclaimer: The General/FM models and the animations (namely the shield positioning) are still WIP. In some places the video is "choppy" due to video-capturing problems.


Just one question. Is this the occultus faction that you gave to us to try and figure out which one it is? You know, after Bobbin found out about the Bosphoran Kingdom
I don't think it is, have a look for yourself.
https://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5392/logosecret6gi7.jpg

seienchin
03-03-2010, 01:44
Fantastic! The Units look incredible and I cant wait to conquer northern italy with them or having them stop the sweboz Ki rushes^^
Still one of the parts I was happy to read the most was the part about celtic language, esspecially this:
First, and perhaps most important, Gaulish is primarily a reconstructed language. There are not enough surviving records of the language to become 100% certain on certain aspects
Many people taking the languages in EB so seriously, but I think you should not do that and appreciate the incredible hard work of the language reasearchers for what it is.

JMRC
03-03-2010, 01:57
Other thing which i was wondering is that you mention in the preview that the Boii nobles, the Argoi unit, use both spears and swords. It seems from the screens that you plan to have them ingame use both weapons as well. I say this because as far as i know in M2TW if you give a foot unit both spears and swords (basically 2 melee weapons, one primary and one secondary) they will act buggy and do not use their spears or swords when ordered, but randomly changing between them. This can be pretty bad for the player because it is quite hard to have them use spears agaisnt cavalry, and swords agaisnt infantry. I imagine that for the ai would be even worse. So my question is, do you plan for the Argoi to use 2 melee weapons (spear and sword)? and if so, do you have any plan to address this issue of having no control over which weapon use the unit?

Actually, they are not random. In the descr_skeleton it's possible to define the distance at which the secondary weapon is drawn. So, they will charge with the spears and after the impact, they will gradually switch to the swords, because they are defined to be used at a shorter distance. However, you can always force the primary weapons again during the melee.

So, yes, the Argoi will use both spears and swords.


On a side note, will they have Gaesatae or something like this?
Watch the next 2 previews and you'll get the answer ~;)


Is it normal the video doesn't have any sound?
We didn't include sound because we wantd to maximize the length of the video. The other reason is that we're still integrating the voidemods, so we will only have sounds when the warriors speak their real languages. Possibly the next video will be shorter... ~:)


The Komatai Toxotai we see in the video, will they have spears, too?
No. The Komatai Toxotai use a sica a secondary weapon.


The video looks great- I especially love the jostling crush of the melee. And the officer/signifer's helmet :)
It's not a signifer. It's a carnyx (celtic horn) and if you watch the video closely, the carnyx-bearer actually blows the horn when the unit is ordered to charge. The carnyx sound will come next.
EDIT: look at video position 4m:03s to see the carnyx animation.

satalexton
03-03-2010, 08:02
THIS IS WONDERFUL. Now the Sweboz are not alone, the Getai gets a new (un)friendly neighbour, and the horrible horrible Romans have more potential Romaioktonoi waiting to kill them.

As for the Celtic voicemod, how different is Boii Celtic (if that's the term) compared to the sort that the Aedui/Averni or Lusotannan speak?

seienchin
03-03-2010, 11:23
As for the Celtic voicemod, how different is Boii Celtic (if that's the term) compared to the sort that the Aedui/Averni or Lusotannan speak?
I think it says, that the celtic Voicemod while be different from the in Voicemod in EB so all the celtic tribes will have different names and voices. It also says that celtic is a reconstructed language so no way the Booi will have big difference to other celtic tribe in the voice.

Bucefalo
03-03-2010, 12:40
Thank you JMRC for explaining it, i´m excited to hear that it is possible to have two weapons, it should add a whole new level of realism, as many troops carried both weapons :beam:

Oh and also, now that you say it, i somehow forgot (silly me) to mention the guy blowing the celtic horn (carnyx), when i saw it i was like WOW it can´t be true! And started imagining how epic would look when the horn sound and the unit charge! Amazing attention to detail indeed.

Last question, thought it don´t have to do much with the boii per se. I was wondering why the late era Argoi stop using plumes or other celtic decoration in the helmets, i suppose it might have something to do with more efficiency at producing helmets in mass quantities. It´s curious because for the romans its pretty much the same, with the hastati/principes and the legionaries, they start with a lot of decoration in helmets (like other italian tribes like samnites) and end up with simpler ones with no plumes or other decoration. Quite interesting to say the least. :yes:

machinor
03-03-2010, 13:53
I guess practifcal reasons. If the surface of the helmet is round, any blows or slashes from baldes will "glide off".

Fantastic preview!! Keep 'em coming! :2thumbsup:

Skoran
03-03-2010, 14:37
Watch the next 2 previews and you'll get the answer ~;)


Does this mean we will get extra previews really soon?

oudysseos
03-03-2010, 17:00
THIS IS WONDERFUL. Now the Sweboz are not alone, the Getai gets a new (un)friendly neighbour, and the horrible horrible Romans have more potential Romaioktonoi waiting to kill them.

As for the Celtic voicemod, how different is Boii Celtic (if that's the term) compared to the sort that the Aedui/Averni or Lusotannan speak?

Truthfully this is a very difficult question to answer. The only primary source of a Boian language are a half dozen names from a series of coins called Biatecs. These names are a little weird; Nonnos, Devil, Busu, Bussumarus, Titto, and Biatec or Biatex. We can also consider the sources for the so-called Noric language, which exists in only 2 inscriptions. The Ptuj inscription, for example, reads ARTEBUDZBROGDUI, probably 2 names, and which indicate a reasonable affinity to better known Gaulish sources.

So, we don't really have enough evidence to reconstruct a separarte Eastern Celtic language, nor are we really sure how different the various Celtic languages were at this point. It is important to note that differences in written sources does not necessarily indicate major differences between regional languages- none of these languages were literate, and so did not have a corpus of written material to impose regularity of spelling and style (something that has only happened relatively recently for English). The written sources of Celtiberian show some differences to Gaulish written sources, but it is always possible that whoever was doing the actual writing (chiseling) was not a native speaker**, and was adapting the sounds he heard to Greek (or whatever). There was no IPA phonetic alphabet- how an individual scribe wrote down a foreign language was basically up to him. Plautus, for example, wrote longish speeches in Punic, but he used the Latin alphabet phonetically to do so- so we shouldn`t expect that he is exactly correctly representing Punic spelling.

To bring this back to the various Celtic languages in EB- I, personally, am certain that there were many regional dialects and even distinct languages spreading from Britain and Iberia all the way to Anatolia- but I think that it is very likely that they were all more or less mutually intelligible- like Norwegian, Swedish and Danish, rather than German, Dutch, and English, to use a modern example.

Doing voicemods is a lot of work- and, as I said, we really don`t have enough material to do a Noric voicemod that`s very different from the other Celtic voicemods. We hope to revise the current one, but that is a long-term goal.

** Pure conjecture on my part. The inscriber could also be a native who learned some other people`s letters- and as a corpus of material accumulates, people learn from previous examples, thus developing a `correct` spelling.

WinsingtonIII
03-03-2010, 18:17
It's not a signifer. It's a carnyx (celtic horn) and if you watch the video closely, the carnyx-bearer actually blows the horn when the unit is ordered to charge. The carnyx sound will come next.
EDIT: look at video position 4m:03s to see the carnyx animation.

I noticed that! So awesome! In later stages will the carnyx-bearer actually make a horn sound when he blows the carnyx before the charge?

Gustave
03-03-2010, 19:02
In later stages will the carnyx-bearer actually make a horn sound when he blows the carnyx before the charge?
yes we are currently adding them !

Ludens
03-03-2010, 19:16
To bring this back to the various Celtic languages in EB- I, personally, am certain that there were many regional dialects and even distinct languages spreading from Britain and Iberia all the way to Anatolia- but I think that it is very likely that they were all more or less mutually intelligible- like Norwegian, Swedish and Danish, rather than German, Dutch, and English, to use a modern example.

What makes you think that Celtic languages would have stayed close to each other?

soibean
03-03-2010, 20:39
very glad to see a faction filling in the eleutheroi (sp?) gap in that area of the map, great job

WinsingtonIII
03-03-2010, 21:36
yes we are currently adding them !

Oh man, this is going to be so awesome!

For some reason, I've always found that simply having historically accurate sounding battle horns (like the sound of the legionary ones in EB1) just adds a surprising amount of depth to the game.

oudysseos
03-03-2010, 22:27
What makes you think that Celtic languages would have stayed close to each other?

There just doesn't seem to be any evidence of massive divergence- to the extent, of course, that there is much evidence at all. And we do have to consider that personal names might well persist longer than other parts of speech. But still, the Italian Boii aren't reported as speaking a language incomprehensible to the Senones, for example. The most divergent seems to be Celtiberian, at least in its written form.

The truth is there are many equally plausible scenarios. One critique to raise to my minimal divergence theory is how then is language congruency maintained?

Power2the1
03-03-2010, 23:24
Last question, thought it don´t have to do much with the boii per se. I was wondering why the late era Argoi stop using plumes or other celtic decoration in the helmets, i suppose it might have something to do with more efficiency at producing helmets in mass quantities. It´s curious because for the romans its pretty much the same, with the hastati/principes and the legionaries, they start with a lot of decoration in helmets (like other italian tribes like samnites) and end up with simpler ones with no plumes or other decoration. Quite interesting to say the least. :yes:

Its not exactly known why the Celts did away with some of the more impressive helmets, at least I have not read a theory on why. Honestly the older helmets before 1c. B.C. helmets appear much more spectacular than the later Agen Port style helmets.


THIS IS WONDERFUL. Now the Sweboz are not alone, the Getai gets a new (un)friendly neighbour, and the horrible horrible Romans have more potential Romaioktonoi waiting to kill them.

As for the Celtic voicemod, how different is Boii Celtic (if that's the term) compared to the sort that the Aedui/Averni or Lusotannan speak?

In harmony what info Oudysseos mentioned, there is not enough attested Noric, or dialects of, to really give a certain picture on eastern Celtic, or at least what the Boii spoke. Chances are it remained rather close thorough the Celtic realms. Dialects are know, such as the Narbonensis (sp?) dialect of Gaulish which is rather well recorded, and shows some alternative ways to write and pronounce certain words. The Galatians must have had different words than what is noted in Gaulish, thousands of miles away, as a few words, writings, and the like from the east do not have a parallel in Gaulish dictionaries. Keep in mind that these dictionaries are not a couple pages, but hundreds of pages long and pretty extensive in the amount of terminology and variations of a word that are included form all over, not just France, but Britain, Wales, Germany, Switzerland, Northern Italy, the East, Austria, Celtiberian Spain, etc...



Fantastic! The Units look incredible and I cant wait to conquer northern italy with them or having them stop the sweboz Ki rushes^^
Still one of the parts I was happy to read the most was the part about celtic language, esspecially this:
First, and perhaps most important, Gaulish is primarily a reconstructed language. There are not enough surviving records of the language to become 100% certain on certain aspects
Many people taking the languages in EB so seriously, but I think you should not do that and appreciate the incredible hard work of the language reasearchers for what it is.

The language is the best part IMHO. Learning how these guys would have talked and some of the ways they said certain things is really interesting. I had to learn a bit of French to understand the dictionaries as all but one that are used are in French, but it was so worth it. I really hope that folks learn a bit form all this. The names used in the preview with the * denote a reconstruction that I used based on the terms.

moonburn
03-04-2010, 04:29
amazing work ^^ so the naked spearman and gaesatae will most likely be one of their units considering their regions map and the batle of telamon

the lack of cavalery seems a bit troubling but i guess i will just have to wait for the other 2 previews (note i haven´t seen the video yet)

as for the boii empire one can remember brennus when he went to delphi who created alot of small celtic kingdoms in the balkans so the empire can refear to conquering the regions with keltic populations in it such as scordasci tyles transalpine gaul and ofc the alps (or even going all the way to galatia and reuniting the eastern celtic population into a powerfull confederation)

will the boii be able to build 2nd tier mines or just the basic mines ? i mean if they can build 2nd tier mines considering their previledged position to take over the alps and the balkans they will be in no time a true superpower with all the metals coming from the balkans and the alps and thus the richest faction in the game in less then 60 turns for a decent general (and all of this without the need for trading ports nonetheless)

one small remark ... lusitania and therefore lusitanian was not a celtic language

i got the boi right now lets see if the belgiums and the celtiberians will be included ^^ i suspect western europe will be one hell of a interesting place to be in only problem is that if the belgiums appear then the chattii won´t most likely

Khazar_Dahvos
03-04-2010, 05:06
great preview i had a feeling the boii would be included!!! Cant wait to see if another or two more new celtic factions are going to make an appearance!!!

Glewas
03-04-2010, 05:11
Noticed that the carnyx blower's helmet is a little odd:
https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5179/22322818.jpg

I think I've seen the "horn" part before in a text that I have buried away, but I did find something that is similar:
http://www.unc.edu/celtic/images/216296.jpg

I've not seen anything in regards to Celtic helmets with such a protrusion in the back however...

Can anyone share some info, or will that be part of an upcoming preview?

Tux
03-04-2010, 05:27
Noticed that the carnyx blower's helmet is a little odd:
https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5179/22322818.jpg

I think I've seen the "horn" part before in a text that I have buried away, but I did find something that is similar:
http://www.unc.edu/celtic/images/216296.jpg
Can anyone share some info, or will that be part of an upcoming preview?
I've not seen anything in regards to Celtic helmets with such a protrusion in the back however...

A little?! It's a freaking xenomorph with hundreds of matrioskas heads:
https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/Power2the1/v_8_ill_1154559_fcfb_lmh261-une.jpg

As a side not, that is not the carnyx for the boii which will feature a bull that has been done recently and it's the britsh carnyx that was used as a template. In conclusion each celtic faction will get they own carnyx.

anubis88
03-04-2010, 10:31
Well this helmets are really insane... Had i've not seen the evidence that they existed, i would think it's a vanilla thing :)

bobbin
03-04-2010, 13:22
the lack of cavalery seems a bit troubling but i guess i will just have to wait for the other 2 previews (note i haven´t seen the video yet)
Two cavalry units are shown in the preview.

https://i.imagehost.org/0873/donno_eporedoi_boii.jpg
https://f.imagehost.org/0068/eponados_boii.jpg



as for the boii empire one can remember brennus when he went to delphi who created alot of small celtic kingdoms in the balkans so the empire can refear to conquering the regions with keltic populations in it such as scordasci tyles transalpine gaul and ofc the alps (or even going all the way to galatia and reuniting the eastern celtic population into a powerfull confederation)

see this.

Really just a little poetic license- a reference to the Hallstatt homeland of all Celtic material culture that the Boii remained close to. 'Empire' is a bit of an exaggeration but sounds cool, and it's not like the Irish or Scots never embellish stories in the telling...



one small remark ... lusitania and therefore lusitanian was not a celtic language
Its debated a lot but little is known about the language, it was certainly Indo-European and the celts were the only indo-european tirbes in the area, it did have some noticable differences from celtic languages though.

Knight of Ne
03-04-2010, 13:29
Wow i have just read the preview and wow. We will finally get a faction to the north of italy and wow they look good. Thank you so much EB2 team, i think i have just fallen in love with the Boii.

Ne

antisocialmunky
03-04-2010, 15:24
Many wuvs 4 EB team.

Power2the1
03-04-2010, 17:30
amazing work ^^ so the naked spearman and gaesatae will most likely be one of their units considering their regions map and the batle of telamon

the lack of cavalery seems a bit troubling but i guess i will just have to wait for the other 2 previews (note i haven´t seen the video yet)

as for the boii empire one can remember brennus when he went to delphi who created alot of small celtic kingdoms in the balkans so the empire can refear to conquering the regions with keltic populations in it such as scordasci tyles transalpine gaul and ofc the alps (or even going all the way to galatia and reuniting the eastern celtic population into a powerfull confederation)

will the boii be able to build 2nd tier mines or just the basic mines ? i mean if they can build 2nd tier mines considering their previledged position to take over the alps and the balkans they will be in no time a true superpower with all the metals coming from the balkans and the alps and thus the richest faction in the game in less then 60 turns for a decent general (and all of this without the need for trading ports nonetheless)

one small remark ... lusitania and therefore lusitanian was not a celtic language

i got the boi right now lets see if the belgiums and the celtiberians will be included ^^ i suspect western europe will be one hell of a interesting place to be in only problem is that if the belgiums appear then the chattii won´t most likely

There was 2 naked units in EB1. I think theres 3 in EB2 in different geographical locations as having 1 or 2 covering all locales wouldn't work. The Gaesatae and the ritual naked guys are included but under Gallicized names, as well as another one that will probably be shown in a future preview.

As mentioned previously, there are 2 cvalry units shown in the preview, but theres going to be plenty of Celtic cavalry in EB2. The Celts were famous for their cavalry and equestrian abilities, so this is certainly an emphasis for EB2. Right now I think there are 5 different types, heavy, medium, and light cavalry, split between Eastern and Western Celts. More to come though!

The Cel;tic invasion/expedition/migration in Greece was a success and a failure. It depends on how you look at it. They failed in conquering Greec, if that was their aim, but succeeded in coming away with a lot of treasure, if one thinks Delphi was looted and treasure taken away by the Textosages to southern Gaul. Still, this resulted in the Galatians entering the history of Anatolia and the merc activity of the east was certainly a success there.

As for what they will build, thats not been decided just yet

The Belgae will certainly be represented in EB2!

Arthur, king of the Britons
03-04-2010, 17:39
The Belgae will certainly be represented in EB2!


Interesting.. :book:

jazstl
03-04-2010, 17:58
Great work!

Thanks.

moonburn
03-04-2010, 18:13
Interesting.. :book:

remember the respresented doesn´t include a faction :laugh4: per se altough it´s one of my big hopes that sentence hardly confirms the inclusion of the belgae if anything and analysing the teams behaviour prior to this (they abuse the desinformation agents aka as moros) it makes for a stronger case for the chattii being included (someone hates the sweaboz in here it seems )


The Cel;tic invasion/expedition/migration in Greece was a success and a failure. It depends on how you look at it. They failed in conquering Greec, if that was their aim, but succeeded in coming away with a lot of treasure, if one thinks Delphi was looted and treasure taken away by the Textosages to southern Gaul. Still, this resulted in the Galatians entering the history of Anatolia and the merc activity of the east was certainly a success there.

the books that i´ve read claim that the acheans or achaens had already pillaged the temples themselfs prior to the keltic invasion and used the kelts as an excuse for the treasure disapeiring

the scordasci and several other groups where partly celtic as was most of thrakia after the invasion so when we talk about a boii empire one as to presume they are refering to the areas where so many boii where present so the balkans northern italy and the alps are all places where the boii are always mentioned to have been and therefore one must consider those are areas as of a future boii empire and probably victory conditions for them (boiii empire would therefore constitute the balkans without the epirote dacian makedonian kallattis and kh lands being included all the way to the bosphorus strait and maybe even into galatia then the eastern alps and the eastern part of nothern italy)

the sweaboz are ofc screwed with this since now they have competition in their imediate area of influence and expansion and considering they are far poorer more then never a sweaboz player will have to make use of their forest advantage to survive the dacians will have a nice competition for them and the same for the sauromatae and depending if the boii make a push to northern italy or not a more interesting roman gameplay (one can even argue that maybe the boii could be given bologne with a type3 goverment or even type4 but thats for the team to decide)
another issue is the aulete illirians at this time their lands had been ravished by the boii previously so they are probably going to be an easy picking for them unleass an illirian faction shows up but if an illirian faction appears how would they be viable ? they where extremely weakened in terms of manpower even tough they piracy ports and expecially mines (dalmatia (L) ) make them economicaly viable so it might be viable with an extreme use and abuse of mercenaries

overall this a far better faction then many that managed to enter eb1 and will spice things tremendously ingame

Arthur, king of the Britons
03-04-2010, 18:19
remember the respresented doesn´t include a faction :laugh4: per se altough it´s one of my big hopes that sentence hardly confirms the inclusion of the belgae if anything and analysing the teams behaviour prior to this (they abuse the desinformation agents aka as moros) it makes for a stronger case for the chattii being included (someone hates the sweaboz in here it seems )

Lulz yeah I figured but it would make for a nice faction.

Ludens
03-04-2010, 20:13
There just doesn't seem to be any evidence of massive divergence- to the extent, of course, that there is much evidence at all. And we do have to consider that personal names might well persist longer than other parts of speech. But still, the Italian Boii aren't reported as speaking a language incomprehensible to the Senones, for example. The most divergent seems to be Celtiberian, at least in its written form.

The truth is there are many equally plausible scenarios. One critique to raise to my minimal divergence theory is how then is language congruency maintained?

Yes, that's what I was wondering about. Thanks for explaining.

lobf
03-04-2010, 21:33
Sooo... all the Boii lived in thatched-roof huts? Even in their large cities?

oudysseos
03-04-2010, 22:19
Yes, that's what I was wondering about. Thanks for explaining.

These, I should say, are my opinions and not necessarily those of other team members.

Power2the1
03-05-2010, 00:23
Sooo... all the Boii lived in thatched-roof huts? Even in their large cities?

No, not at all. Homes in Northern italy show 'roofs', in the sense of not being thatched. These roofs were slanted, I assume for rain dainage. Thatched houses were prolably common in Northern Italy though. The northern Boii oppida I honestly forget what their home were reconstructed as.

Foot
03-05-2010, 00:54
Sooo... all the Boii lived in thatched-roof huts? Even in their large cities?

Yes, that's why we made the "Barbarian Culture" settlements like that. Not because we have to cover factions ranging from the farthest point of Iberia to the Black Sea, not because we have to reasonably represent all these factions as equally as possible, and certainly not because we have to make the settlements distinct on the campaign map. No, no we decided to make the "Boii" settlements like that because we think that the Boii were mud-hut dwelling savages.

Perhaps I might suggest a rephrasing of your question in the manner of someone who intends to show a little respect and give the benefit of doubt to those who have provided a rather excellent preview.

"I was wondering about the settlement models. Do they accurately represent the buildings that would have been found in Boii settlements? I was wondering this, because I thought that the cities in that region were somewhat developed and would have included more prestigious buildings. Please let me know".

Too much to ask, perhaps? We'll see.

ARCHIPPOS
03-05-2010, 09:36
It's very possible that he's just trolling.The Boii look absolutely amazing though and i can tell the EB team has put a LOT of work on them.Great job and many thanks to all you guys.

seienchin
03-05-2010, 17:50
Exactly. People often forget, that EB is a mod and making every barbarian city as close at possible to its real counterpart in the antic would probably delay EBIIs release to late 2050.
The settlements look incredible and are far more aplyable to all of the barbarian countries.

Andronikos
03-05-2010, 23:23
Amazing preview with lots of nice EB stuff as well as interesting information.
I found a book called The golden age of the land of Boii (my word to word translation) from Anna Bauerova in my local library, I hope it will be a good read. Unfortunately I don't have access to books you suggest or the ones form EB bibliography, only option would be ordering them which could be costly. But I found Peter Greens Hellenistic age in the same local library, it was a great surprise especially because it was translated. I have no problems with reading English books, it just cheered me that our publishers can choose quality books. It will be the next historical book to read after finish the Boii one.

Megas Methuselah
03-06-2010, 06:22
Sooo... all the Boii lived in thatched-roof huts? Even in their large cities?

They see me rollin', they hatin'... I would give you a balloon if this was directed at anyone other than the EB Team.

Sir Edward
03-06-2010, 16:27
Great Preview. So stoked to see the Boii made it in and hopefully make the Roman AI think twice from always expanding into NE Europe. So stoked for the faction. Looking forward to playing this one. But might have to do a campaign as the Bosphorean Kingdoms first

Mithick666
03-07-2010, 07:00
I WANT TO PLAY EUROPA BARBARORUM NOW :smash::smash::sweatdrop::sweetheart:

Captain Jazzy
03-07-2010, 18:58
Awesome!

Ibrahim
03-07-2010, 22:16
I WANT TO PLAY EUROPA BARBARORUM NOW :smash::smash::sweatdrop::sweetheart:

well, you'll have to wait. at least the progress of the team is comparatively rapid, when one considers the size of the project.

well, I'll have to cross out another faction as confirmed.


They see me rollin', they hatin'...

meth, we should keep all wierd al references where they belong. in the frontroom and tavern EDIT: no matter how indirect :clown:

MeinPanzer
03-08-2010, 02:05
A little?! It's a freaking xenomorph with hundreds of matrioskas heads:
https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/Power2the1/v_8_ill_1154559_fcfb_lmh261-une.jpg

As a side not, that is not the carnyx for the boii which will feature a bull that has been done recently and it's the britsh carnyx that was used as a template. In conclusion each celtic faction will get they own carnyx.

So is this the helmet for all Celtic carnyx-players, or will the different factions get helmets with different decoration? Not to nitpick, but the Tintignac finds are unique to France, whereas something like the Ciumesti helmet might be more appropriate for an eastern-Celtic unit.

Tux
03-08-2010, 02:54
Where did I say it will be for all the factions?! It will be used accordingly by the correct factions.

eddy_purpus
03-08-2010, 06:10
I am loving this Faction selection !


Thanks F0ot And EB...
You are making my days happier than ever :3

BerkeleyBoi
03-08-2010, 10:33
Looks really good! Thanks for the preview!

athanaric
03-08-2010, 18:05
Where did I say it will be for all the factions?! It will be used accordingly by the correct factions.
Given the region where it was found, would it be more appropriate for Arverni or for Aedui?

TheTank
03-08-2010, 18:37
Guys,
The Tintignac helmet is just a place holder.
The Boii helmet is just not made yet.

athanaric
03-08-2010, 19:43
Yes, but my question was about the Gauls, not the Boii.

TheTank
03-08-2010, 20:19
Yes, but I my question was about the Gauls, not the Boii.

Let just say that the Tintignac helmet was made for a Gallic faction.
I think that covers your question enough.

Tux
03-08-2010, 23:32
Given the region where it was found, would it be more appropriate for Arverni or for Aedui?

Yes, exactly.~:) With carnyx that was found with.

MeinPanzer
03-09-2010, 07:07
Guys,
The Tintignac helmet is just a place holder.
The Boii helmet is just not made yet.

That clears it up. Thanks!

Macilrille
03-10-2010, 18:08
Gauls, Boii... Tomato, Tomato, all fall to the fury of the Norsemen or get included in Res Publica Romana to be civilised and enjoy pax romana ;-)

Boii looks interesting though. Might try them after Rome and Suebi, unless a Cimbric faction gets included *drools at the thought*

B-Wing
03-14-2010, 23:34
If this has already been noted herein, I apologize for repeating it, but I was trying to match up the Boii's starting territories with the EB1 campaign map just now. I realized that it comprises three regions: Mrogbonna, Noricae, and Pannonia. I think that's pretty cool, since I was expecting them to only start with one. Just wanted to mention it. :2thumbsup:

anubis88
03-15-2010, 11:22
If this has already been noted herein, I apologize for repeating it, but I was trying to match up the Boii's starting territories with the EB1 campaign map just now. I realized that it comprises three regions: Mrogbonna, Noricae, and Pannonia. I think that's pretty cool, since I was expecting them to only start with one. Just wanted to mention it. :2thumbsup:

Someone said the starting provinces are still being revised for the Boii...

Kuningaz
03-16-2010, 18:00
Besides, according to Wikipedia, Noricum was an independent kingdom and the Boii never actually managed to conquer it :book:

anubis88
03-16-2010, 22:54
Noricum was indeed an independant or semi-independent kingdom for a long time. They were especially famed for their iron-skills. I think they were conquered by the Romans during the principate. However the crushing blow to this thriving kingdom came when the Tevtunes and Cimbri invaded

Andronikos
03-17-2010, 00:35
I like the fact that there will finally be a faction that is close to me and I can feel like being one of them (I can't find a good expression for what I want to say) despite sharing only location while being different peoples, but that could be easily overcome by the fact that I am a Celtic fan. I can't wait for next preview, really great job guys.
BTW, does the latest version of Argoi have some eastern influence in armour?

paullus
03-17-2010, 15:35
Eastern influence? What do you mean?

Kuningaz
03-17-2010, 18:17
Noricum was indeed an independant or semi-independent kingdom for a long time. They were especially famed for their iron-skills. I think they were conquered by the Romans during the principate.

If I'm not mistaken they were actually peacefully integrated and retained some degree of autonomy for a few years.


I like the fact that there will finally be a faction that is close to me and I can feel like being one of them

I understand exactly what you mean :laugh4: I feel the same way about the Boii, although I live on Noricene soil and my ancestors probably were part of the savage invaders from the north :embarassed:

justinius
03-17-2010, 20:23
Ummm... so this is the next version of EB? Is it in the same historical period?

Foot
03-17-2010, 20:38
Ummm... so this is the next version of EB? Is it in the same historical period?

Yes, but for all your EBII questions' needs, check out the FAQ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?102768-Europa-Barbarorum-II-FAQ)

Foot

anubis88
03-17-2010, 20:39
Yep. It starts 272BC, but will have 9 new factions + many new features benefiting the MTW2 engine

Andronikos
03-19-2010, 17:25
Eastern influence? What do you mean?

Some of as I noticed later early, middle and late Argoi wear something that looks like linothorax and few helmets look eastern European to me.

Phalanx300
03-19-2010, 17:28
Aren't there ten new factions? Or has an scripting factions be confirmed?

ImperatorBarbarorum
03-21-2010, 15:28
These are the information about Noricum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noricum

Will the EB Team change the numbers of provinces for the Boi?

Power2the1
03-22-2010, 18:15
Some of as I noticed later early, middle and late Argoi wear something that looks like linothorax and few helmets look eastern European to me.

Good eye. The Boii, being an eastern Celtic group, geographically at least, use the eastern helmets overall, and their scabbard are much more ornate than those found in the Western Celtic areas. Swords found in Hungary are especially beautiful and very ornate in their designs. Swords like this are noted as using the 'Vegetal' art style (not vegetable lol), and these are found heavily in the East, with some turning up in lakes and the like in the West. As for the armor, the Celts appear to have used both. In the West we have a chariot burial in Gaul where the armor of the warrior had disintegrated, but 4 bronze (I think it was bronze) buttons remained in the right places as the buttons on a 'tube-and-yoke' curiass which is a fancy word for the kind of armor type and design that the Greeks are famous for using and wore lol. In Liechtenstein is a statue of a warrior with an Etruscan style Negau helmet, with linothorax looking armor complete with some ptergyes. A cauldron was found too, with a warrior with what looks like linothroax, pteryges included, seated cross legged. This armor has a neckguard protruding up from the back, and the shoulder pieces cross each other over his chest. Quite interesting, and really cool to see. In Belgic territory there is a warrior statue wearing what has been described as armor (leather?) or a tunic. Of all of these, the Belgic statue dates to the EB time frame for certain, the other after that fuzzy area after the Halstatt to La Tene transitional phase occurred and afterwards leading up to 272 B.C. Those are the ones I can think of off the top o' me head. So really, there is proof the Celts wore 'something' other than chainmail of riveted, butted, and combination types. In EB2, these armor types will be seen among the nobility, and some of the Middle class units, but most leather will be in the West, and probably linothorax around the Alps and Cisalpine Gaul, perhaps further East as well. Longer reply than I expected, but hey, this is EB!

Andronikos
03-23-2010, 13:56
Thank you, it was a long but good reply.

Boii
04-01-2010, 19:51
Excelent work.
I'm absolutely fascinated.

anubis88
04-01-2010, 22:23
Excelent work.
I'm absolutely fascinated.

Heh, i would say so, since it seems this preview inspired your nickname;)

Boii
04-02-2010, 11:01
Heh, i would say so, since it seems this preview inspired your nickname;)
:grin: No, this thread dont inspire my nicname. But I'm great fan of this tribe... . I came from their homeland -> Czech Republic called Bohemia or Boiohaemum... .

Aristophanes
04-03-2010, 07:36
You could shape a series of excellent history/classics classes out of this game. I think the scholarship you folks demonstrate would put many acknowledged 'experts' to shame.

Brilliant work.

ImperatorBarbarorum
04-08-2010, 22:49
I have to repeat my question: Will the provinces for the Boii reduced?

In my opinion they have to be reduced, because Noricum has been all time a independent kingdom til the Romans conquered them.

The consequence would be, that the Boii have at the beginning only two, not three provinces.

anubis88
04-09-2010, 09:36
How do you even know how many provinces will the Boii have? There was no map preview was there? I also said before that the provinces are being revised for the Boii by the time, and that their initial holdings haven't been decided yet.

Also, when posting "information" about something, don't just quote wikipedia. I'm not an expert on Noricum, not even near an expert, and know 3/4 of the wikipedia article. The team knows much more, believe it

ImperatorBarbarorum
04-09-2010, 16:13
How do you even know how many provinces will the Boii have? There was no map preview was there? I also said before that the provinces are being revised for the Boii by the time, and that their initial holdings haven't been decided yet.

Also, when posting "information" about something, don't just quote wikipedia. I'm not an expert on Noricum, not even near an expert, and know 3/4 of the wikipedia article. The team knows much more, believe it

I don't know, if there will be three provinces for the Boii, but at the general map it seems to be three provinces, especially if you compare this map to the map of EB 1. This was also mentioned above.

You want to have more sources?
Here is a link, unhappily to a german site http://www.imperiumromanum.com/geografie/provinzen/noricum_03.htm .
And from the book "Die Welt der Kelten - Geschichte und Mythos eines rätselhaften Volkes" von Arnulf Krause (also in German) on page 56 you can read that both the Boii in Bohemia and the Noriker in Carinthia founded a regnum. But the regnum of the Noriker have never been part of the regnum of the Boii. I hope this are enough sources.

-Praetor-
04-09-2010, 16:16
The Boii starting regions shown on the first preview were only a glimpse of the starting grounds of the facrtion, a WIP. They are currently being revised, and when we have the definitive provinces allocated to them, we will let the fans know, thank you.

Apázlinemjó
05-18-2010, 09:21
The Boii signatures were removed. :(

Kikaz
06-23-2010, 03:22
The Boii signatures were removed. :(

Yeah what's up with that? (use Imageshack)

Gustave
06-23-2010, 09:07
I re-posted them some time ago, they are at the bottom of the page.

LINK (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128456-Boii-and-pritanoi-sign-banners)

Apázlinemjó
06-23-2010, 12:07
I re-posted them some time ago, they are at the bottom of the page.

LINK (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128456-Boii-and-pritanoi-sign-banners)

Thank you Mr. Gustave of the Europa Barbarorum II team!

Gustave
06-23-2010, 13:04
You're welcome πολέμαρχος .