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Strike For The South
03-05-2010, 07:13
Well how you ask?
Well two things, I recently came across the paleolithic diet which peaked my interest however considering I'm broker than a meth addict who just bought allot of meth I'm not going to be able to fully implment it for a while.
But the crux of it is to take out allot of the grains (Rice, Corn, Wheat) which I have tried to do and have been pretty succeful. I get my bread in early in the morning. The only draw back to this is no pasta ~:(
I have also tried to cut as much HFCS out of my diet as possible, for two reasons. 1. I don't like the midwest, anyone who is that bland probably has a terrible seceret. and 2. It's just empty Cals.
However, it's in EVERYTHING here but I have managed to cut allot of it out
I have drank nothing but water for the past week and feel allot better, I used to be a soda addict (I know, I know) and in just a week I can already seen and feel the difference.
I can only imagine what the results would've been had I gotten more than two decent workouts in
Edit: I meant to put this in the frontroom but since I just character assassinated ten states and the backbone of American agriculture, we may as well just keep it here
I have also tried to cut as much HFCS out of my diet as possible, for two reasons. 1. I don't like the midwest, anyone who is that bland probably has a terrible seceret. and 2. It's just empty Cals.
You should be able to get Dr. Pepper with no HFCS, they should make it at the Waco plant. Look for "Heritage Dr. Pepper", it's available in lots of states. Sucrose FTW!
Strike For The South
03-05-2010, 07:32
You should be able to get Dr. Pepper with no HFCS, they should make it at the Waco plant. Look for "Heritage Dr. Pepper", it's available in lots of states. Sucrose FTW!
Dublin Texas baby! but I really dont think I'll ever touch a soda again, srsly
Get a diet soda, no calories compared to a regular which has like around 33 to 100 per can.
I've never trusted any diet that cuts out the most relied-upon staple food in the history of humanity, but getting rid of high fructose corn syrup is probably the best thing anyone can do. That crap is BAD for you. And drinking water goes without saying.
PanzerJaeger
03-05-2010, 09:41
Conventional wisdom dictates that it is very unhealthy to lose that much weight in one week, but I trust your extensive knowledge on these things. Thought you were lifting, though...?
I've never trusted any diet that cuts out the most relied-upon staple food in the history of humanity, but getting rid of high fructose corn syrup is probably the best thing anyone can do. That crap is BAD for you. And drinking water goes without saying.
There are two ways to address it. You can either cut the calories, as your body is not using though, thus they get stored as fat, or you can do more exercise which burns the calories.
For example, if you are not active, and by "not active" is basically you don't go out of your way to do any activity, a simple diet of cutting your calorie intake to 1000 is usually a good start.
Sarmatian
03-05-2010, 10:33
Well how you ask?
Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but it is impossible to lose that much (5-7kg if I'm not mistaken) in a week. Most of that was water.
There are two ways to address it. You can either cut the calories, as your body is not using though, thus they get stored as fat, or you can do more exercise which burns the calories.
For example, if you are not active, and by "not active" is basically you don't go out of your way to do any activity, a simple diet of cutting your calorie intake to 1000 is usually a good start.
1000 calories a day is way too little and extremely unhealthy. Try 2000, possibly 2500 depending on your activity. Also it's not just the amount of calories, it's also about the type.
1000 calories a day is way too little and extremely unhealthy. Try 2000, possibly 2500 depending on your activity. Also it's not just the amount of calories, it's also about the type.
It isn't unhealthy, it depends on your metabolism and your activity. If you have a high metabolism, you wouldn't even need to check, pretty much the same if you are active. If your job is at a desk all day, drive in a car, sit infront of tv/computer, you are not very active, would probably do the body well.
Obviously, you could do more exercise... so it is either less food or more activity and being honest, eating less is easier to do that actually being active.
The 2500 "average male" thing is a lie, by "average male" it doesn't actually mean average male, it actually means "you are fully active, 5-a-day, high fibre, completely fit and in health male". The average male doesn't even tick half those boxes. Only reason to have high calories is if you have a high metabolism or very active thus uses them up.
It is also amazing how metabolism affects everything and you don't have to be active either to have it. Such as "that person who can eat like a horse, never active, but is completely skinny" for example.
Sarmatian
03-05-2010, 11:18
It isn't unhealthy, it depends on your metabolism and your activity. If you have a high metabolism, you wouldn't even need to check, pretty much the same if you are active. If your job is at a desk all day, drive in a car, sit infront of tv/computer, you are not very active, would probably do the body well.
Obviously, you could do more exercise... so it is either less food or more activity and being honest, eating less is easier to do that actually being active.
The 2500 "average male" thing is a lie, by "average male" it doesn't actually mean average male, it actually means "you are fully active, 5-a-day, high fibre, completely fit and in health male". The average male doesn't even tick half those boxes. Only reason to have high calories is if you have a high metabolism or very active thus uses them up.
It is also amazing how metabolism affects everything and you don't have to be active either to have it. Such as "that person who can eat like a horse, never active, but is completely skinny" for example.
During a decent intensity, 45 minute weight training you'll lose 400-500 calories. Half an hour of jogging, again depending on the intensity and terrain, 250-350. Calories are easily lost, even by walking. The only way you'd need less than 2000 calories a day is if you're a type of guy who gets up in the morning, walks to his car, drives himself to work, sits all day, drives himself back home and sits in front of TV, goes to sleep and does it all over again, but even with that lifestyle, I'd say 1000 calories is too little.
If you're average type of guy, who every once in a while walks somewhere, or cycles or plays footy, goes swimming... you need more than 1000 definitely.
Tellos Athenaios
03-05-2010, 12:10
But Sarmatian nailed it: consisting for about 80% of water, Strike has basically sweat himself down to size and cut his sugar reserves a bit; and in so doing made himself a bit less edible to potential predators (levels of toxins in your blood will be up). Fat comes later, if at all.
Louis VI the Fat
03-05-2010, 14:33
Humans have fat? ~:confused:
That's only possible if one refuses to eat enough food. Actual food, that is.
Teh simple principles for a healthy diet:
- There is no such thing as a diet. There is only a wonderous world full of fantastic foods of which you need to experience as much as possible. Stop worrying whether you eat too much food, or too unhealthy food. Rather, strive every day to get in as many great flavours as possible. Live to eat.
- You need to stop believing that humans are meant to eat out of buckets, like horses. *eyes the yanks*
- If it lives in your backyard, it is fit for human consumption. *eyes snails and frogs*
- Eat as much as you like. But eat food so great you'll want to keep it on your tongue forever, rather than just swallow it whole. Savour the tastes. You'll spend more time eating, but taking in less calories.
- 'Mericans spend two minutes to take in 1000 calories of 'smart foods', then spend an hour of hard physical labour to lose 500 again. Smart peoples spend an hour of exquisite bliss to take in 500 calories, then work out for two minutes.
- Respect what you eat. Know what you eat. If you can't identify all the ingredients of what's on your plate, don't eat it.
- Eat French food. Such as, erm, steak frites and frozen pizza. :shame:
You just followed one weird old tip discovered by a local mum in INSERT_LOCATION_OF_IP_ADDRESS_HERE
Tellos Athenaios
03-05-2010, 15:00
I would submit the Italian food is better than the French version. <_<
HoreTore
03-05-2010, 15:03
Humans have fat? ~:confused:
That's only possible if one refuses to eat enough food. Actual food, that is.
Teh simple principles for a healthy diet:
- There is no such thing as a diet. There is only a wonderous world full of fantastic foods of which you need to take in as much as possible. Stop worrying whether you eat too much food, or too unhealthy food. Rather, strive every day to get in as many great flavours as possible. Live to eat.
- You need to stop believing that humans are meant to eat out of buckets, like horses. *eyes the yanks*
- If it lives in your backyard, it is fit for human consumption. *eyes frogs and snails*
- Eat as much as you like. But eat food so great you'll want to keep it on your tongue forever, rather than just swallow it whole. Savour the tastes.
- Respect what you eat. Know what you eat. If you can't identify all the ingredients of what's on your plate, don't eat it.
- Eat French food. Such as, erm, steak frites and frozen pizza. :shame:
Would you happen to have a spare bedroom and a job for a poor, cultural refugee from the land of the barbarians, Louis?
And what the hell is HFCS?
Eliminating grains is pretty hard and usually costly to replace with other calories. My father is allergic to almost all grains (everything except rice). I'm pretty sure I have his allergy to some extent, and I've tried to systematically eliminate grains from my diet, but it gets difficult. Mostly I just eat less, and have switched to potato/rice. Luckily here in Australia almost nothing has HFCS in it, but most products have cane sugar added instead due to our large cane sugar industry. Not nearly as bad for your health.
For example, if you are not active, and by "not active" is basically you don't go out of your way to do any activity, a simple diet of cutting your calorie intake to 1000 is usually a good start.
Your intake is entirely personal. I myself usually consume 2500-3000 cal. every day and I maintain a weight between 65-70kg. As you get older yes, you don't require as much, but metabolism is entirely variable person-to-person.
And what the hell is HFCS?
High fructose corn syrup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup), the root of many evils.
Rhyfelwyr
03-05-2010, 17:15
I'm still working on doing the opposite...
How much of what you lost was muscle and water Strike? ~;)
HoreTore
03-05-2010, 19:33
High fructose corn syrup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup), the root of many evils.
Right.
....what is it used in?
Strike For The South
03-05-2010, 19:37
I realize that most of it was water you dolts, This is not the first time I've cut weight. However, 13 pounds is much more water than I've ever lost before and I have also never felt this good
Not to mention dropping this much is possible and not really unhealthy but you will get teh skinny fat and provbably put it back on very quickly
Conventional wisdom dictates that it is very unhealthy to lose that much weight in one week, but I trust your extensive knowledge on these things. Thought you were lifting, though...?
I expect my weight loss to slow and the days I got into the gym I didn't feel that my stregnth was suffering any negative effects nor when I ran. This week my intake has been a shade under 2000, (1967 if we are going by averages) where it's usually about 4200
I've felt really good but I figure I may have to uptick to about 2300 if I want to minimize my stregnth losses. But I do expect to lose about 25-35% off my total. Which is fine because this year school has been killing me and I've practicaly stalled in the gym anyway.
But Sarmatian nailed it: consisting for about 80% of water, Strike has basically sweat himself down to size and cut his sugar reserves a bit; and in so doing made himself a bit less edible to potential predators (levels of toxins in your blood will be up). Fat comes later, if at all.
at all? I know plenty of people who drop and gain fat all the time.....
During a decent intensity, 45 minute weight training you'll lose 400-500 calories. Half an hour of jogging, again depending on the intensity and terrain, 250-350. Calories are easily lost, even by walking. The only way you'd need less than 2000 calories a day is if you're a type of guy who gets up in the morning, walks to his car, drives himself to work, sits all day, drives himself back home and sits in front of TV, goes to sleep and does it all over again, but even with that lifestyle, I'd say 1000 calories is too little.
I know guys who can eat 2000 and stay at 225 lbs and I know guys who have to 5000 just to gain a miniscule amount of weight, caleroic intake is all personal
Strike For The South
03-05-2010, 19:38
Right.
....what is it used in?
Everything you put sugar in. We put that in.
And then some
Pannonian
03-05-2010, 19:39
I'll just point out the Stalingrad diet (http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2008/09/overheard_in_th), as recommended by Kurt Zeitzler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Zeitzler).
"Want to get below a healthy weight? Want to look like a stick insect thats being doing meth for years? Then try the stalingrad diet. 40gs of bread in the morning and at lunch followed by a bit of horse meat at dinner"
Zeitzler was urged by his military colleagues to give the breakout order himself, but refused to act on his own, deferring to Hitler's authority as Commander-in-Chief. On hearing that Göring had told Hitler that the supply situation in Stalingrad was "not so bad", Zeitzler wrote in his diary: "Apart from the fact that it would do his (Göring's) figure a power of good to spend a little time in the Kessel, I can only assume that my reports either are not read or are given no credence." Zeitzler, in a gesture of solidarity with the starved troops in Stalingrad, reduced his own rations to their level. Having lost 26 pounds in two weeks, Hitler (after being told by Martin Bormann of the diet) ordered Zeitzler to stop the diet and return to normal rations.
HoreTore
03-05-2010, 19:50
I'll just point out the Stalingrad diet (http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2008/09/overheard_in_th), as recommended by Kurt Zeitzler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Zeitzler).
"Want to get below a healthy weight? Want to look like a stick insect thats being doing meth for years? Then try the stalingrad diet. 40gs of bread in the morning and at lunch followed by a bit of horse meat at dinner"
Zeitzler was urged by his military colleagues to give the breakout order himself, but refused to act on his own, deferring to Hitler's authority as Commander-in-Chief. On hearing that Göring had told Hitler that the supply situation in Stalingrad was "not so bad", Zeitzler wrote in his diary: "Apart from the fact that it would do his (Göring's) figure a power of good to spend a little time in the Kessel, I can only assume that my reports either are not read or are given no credence." Zeitzler, in a gesture of solidarity with the starved troops in Stalingrad, reduced his own rations to their level. Having lost 26 pounds in two weeks, Hitler (after being told by Martin Bormann of the diet) ordered Zeitzler to stop the diet and return to normal rations.
A bonus to that diet is that if you fail and try to eat a macdonalds burger, for example, you'll drop dead...
Tellos Athenaios
03-05-2010, 21:28
at all? I know plenty of people who drop and gain fat all the time.....
At all depends heavily on how long you keep it up. Fat is the last thing to go because fat isn't very efficient fuel for your body. Therefore it heavily depends on how much of your diet you burn up, how much reserves you had to begin with, and how long your diet lasts.
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03-05-2010, 21:49
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I honestly thought SFTS's account had been hacked and that's what I'd be reading in this thread (followed by a humiliating avalanche of hilarity).
Centurion1
03-05-2010, 22:23
Well how you ask?
Well two things, I recently came across the paleolithic diet which peaked my interest however considering I'm broker than a meth addict who just bought allot of meth I'm not going to be able to fully implment it for a while.
But the crux of it is to take out allot of the grains (Rice, Corn, Wheat) which I have tried to do and have been pretty succeful. I get my bread in early in the morning. The only draw back to this is no pasta
I have also tried to cut as much HFCS out of my diet as possible, for two reasons. 1. I don't like the midwest, anyone who is that bland probably has a terrible seceret. and 2. It's just empty Cals.
However, it's in EVERYTHING here but I have managed to cut allot of it out
I have drank nothing but water for the past week and feel allot better, I used to be a soda addict (I know, I know) and in just a week I can already seen and feel the difference.
I can only imagine what the results would've been had I gotten more than two decent workouts in
Edit: I meant to put this in the frontroom but since I just character assassinated ten states and the backbone of American agriculture, we may as well just keep it here
my football weightlifting coach uses that diet. i wouldnt argue with HIS results.
Aemilius Paulus
03-06-2010, 03:33
You people need to quit HFCS-bashing. Nothing special about it, especially if you are one of those chemophobes who always tries to eat 'natural' despite the fact there is no distinction between 'natural'/'organic' and 'artificial'/etc. But fizzes do taste a helluva lot better with real sugar, sucrose :yes:. Whenever I go back to Russia in the summer, I drink quite a bit of fizzes, which I almost never do here. Pepsi or Coke with real sugar is ahhh... Good...
Centurion1
03-06-2010, 03:38
You people need to quit HFCS-bashing. Nothing special about it, especially if you are one of those chemophobes who always tries to eat 'natural' despite the fact there is no distinction between 'natural'/'organic' and 'artificial'/etc. But fizzes do taste a helluva lot better with real sugar, sucrose . Whenever I go back to Russia in the summer, I drink quite a bit of fizzes, which I almost never do here. Pepsi or Coke with real sugar is ahhh... Good...
wait do you always call soda fizzes.......?
and i barely watch what i eat just alot of protein and alot of carbs like pasta.
Centurion1
03-06-2010, 03:39
You people need to quit HFCS-bashing. Nothing special about it, especially if you are one of those chemophobes who always tries to eat 'natural' despite the fact there is no distinction between 'natural'/'organic' and 'artificial'/etc. But fizzes do taste a helluva lot better with real sugar, sucrose . Whenever I go back to Russia in the summer, I drink quite a bit of fizzes, which I almost never do here. Pepsi or Coke with real sugar is ahhh... Good...
wait do you always call soda fizzes.......?
and i barely watch what i eat just alot of protein and alot of carbs like pasta.
Aemilius Paulus
03-06-2010, 03:48
wait do you always call soda fizzes.......?
Heh, doublepost :tongue:
Anyhow, yes, why did you notice that I called soda pop fizzes?
and i barely watch what i eat just alot of protein and alot of carbs like pasta.
No normal teen male needs to watch what he/she eats - we are very slow to gain weight, and burn through calories, sugars, carbohydrates and fats very swiftly. Of course, this will change, by our thirties and especially forties.
Centurion1
03-06-2010, 04:05
Heh, doublepost
Anyhow, yes, why did you notice that I called soda pop fizzes?
oops. ive never heard that before. i always hear soda. is it a russian thing or a southern thing i dont remember it when i lived in Pensacola.
Aemilius Paulus
03-06-2010, 04:09
oops. ive never heard that before. i always hear soda. is it a russian thing or a southern thing i dont remember it when i lived in Pensacola.
Dunno, I wiki-ed it, and the closest to 'fizzes' I found was what the Brits call it - 'fizzy drinks'. Strangely enough, I did not find the word 'fizzes' though.
Centurion1
03-06-2010, 04:12
Dunno, I wiki-ed it, and the closest to 'fizzes' I found was what the Brits call it - 'fizzy drinks'. Strangely enough, I did not find the word 'fizzes' though.
must be cyborg talk.
Aemilius Paulus
03-06-2010, 04:33
must be cyborg talk.
?
Why cyborg out of all the things you could call me? A cyborg is a human with some mechanical parts/other electronics implanted. The brain is still human. You should have called me android or something...
Anyhow, the word 'fizzes' does exist, but I believe it is quite outdated and it was not even widespread in its time. Hehe, I sometimes have my teachers/professors tell me that I say words/turns of phrases/idioms/slang they had never heard since their childhood or early adulthood :tongue:. Well, I suppose that comes from the historical books I read :shrug:.
We are all cyborgs. We become one with technology such as mobile phones becoming extensions of ourselves to communicate with others, etc.
ajaxfetish
03-06-2010, 06:51
Anyhow, yes, why did you notice that I called soda pop fizzes?
That's fascinating. Soft drinks are one of the things used in sociolinguistics to help identify dialect boundaries. In part of the US, they're 'soda'; in another part, 'pop'; in still another, 'coke' (regardless of what brand it is). I've never before heard of them being called 'fizzes'. Do your family/neighbors/anyone else of close acquaintance use the term as well, or is it a personal idiosyncrasy?
For what it's worth, I have a hard time determining which term we'd use back in Utah. I think we may be close to the dividing line between 'soda' and 'pop', though I haven't looked at the map for it for some time. In my experience we'd usually just call them 'drinks', especially since we weren't already using the term for alcohol.
Ajax
Aemilius Paulus
03-06-2010, 06:56
That's fascinating. Soft drinks are one of the things used in sociolinguistics to help identify dialect boundaries. In part of the US, they're 'soda'; in another part, 'pop'; in still another, 'coke' (regardless of what brand it is). I've never before heard of them being called 'fizzes'. Do your family/neighbors/anyone else of close acquaintance use the term as well, or is it a personal idiosyncrasy?
That is true, the soft drinks are called all sorts of names. And yeah, down here in the South, the less cosmopolitan folk do indeed refer to any sort of a soft drink as 'coke'. As for the 'fizzes' I would say that came from the books I have read. No-one else uses it, AFAIK, but as I said, this term did exist in the past. I personally prefer it, and so I use it. :shrug:
In the UK, the old people call it either fizzy drinks or pop. They don't call it soda (as that is a certain drink, unless you want a cream soda for instance), they don't call it coke (unless it is coca-cola/pepsi, etc), etc.
Everyone below the age of 30, except children just uses the brand-name. So Diet Coke/Coca-cola, Pepsi Max, Dr. Pepper, Sprite, j20, schweppes, etc.
'coke' (regardless of what brand it is).
Does that mean that I may ask for a coke coke?
At all depends heavily on how long you keep it up. Fat is the last thing to go because fat isn't very efficient fuel for your body. Therefore it heavily depends on how much of your diet you burn up, how much reserves you had to begin with, and how long your diet lasts.
Another factor is type of exercise. Jogging/walking won't burn much fat, mostly glucose in the blood and muscle mass. Weights and sprints increase metabolism for 24 hours following the exercise, thus you burn fat.
Centurion1
03-06-2010, 17:27
?
Why cyborg out of all the things you could call me? A cyborg is a human with some mechanical parts/other electronics implanted. The brain is still human. You should have called me android or something...
well certain parts of you must be cyborg to feel nothing............. :wink:
this is all very fasciating to be honest.
Does that mean that I may ask for a coke coke?
I wouldn't try that in Mexico.
Dunno, I wiki-ed it, and the closest to 'fizzes' I found was what the Brits call it - 'fizzy drinks'. Strangely enough, I did not find the word 'fizzes' though.
Yeah, fizzy drinks and soft drinks are interchangeable. Soda refers to soda water, or soda bread, pop is a sickly children's drink, and Coke is Coca Cola/Pepsi.
For what it's worth, I have a hard time determining which term we'd use back in Utah. I think we may be close to the dividing line between 'soda' and 'pop', though I haven't looked at the map for it for some time. In my experience we'd usually just call them 'drinks', especially since we weren't already using the term for alcohol.
Of course, in Utah, you call jelly "Jell-o". So who knows what you might call soft drinks.
CrossLOPER
03-06-2010, 19:17
Unless you are made of lard, you probably lost "water weight", as mentioned before. Starving yourself destroys your metabolism and and build you might have. It also prevents you from making gains while working out.
Drink nothing but water. Cut out junk. Cook your own food. Stay away from HFCS. Go jog. Go lift heavy things.
I wouldn't try that in Mexico.
Wouldn't that be a coke coke coke?
Amazing how many people still cling to the discredited idea of calorie limitation and exercise. It doesn't work. You would have to run up and down the stairs 50 times to 'burn off' the calories from one piece of toast :laugh4:
It's all to do with metabolism and what kinds of fuel you are putting in your body.
There are, broadly speaking, 4 kinds of sugars:
monosaccharides
disaccharides
polysaccharides
oligosaccharides
The top of the list is simple sugar, the bottom is complex carbohydrate. If your body was a normal family car - the first is rocket fuel, the last is normal petrol/diesel. If you eat loads of monosaccharides then you are giving your body too much sugar. Your body will produce loads of insulin and turn it all in to fat. You will get fat and diabetic. Loads of stored fat, messed up insulin system. Coincidentally, what is happening to more and more people on a diet full of processed carbs and sugars - HFCS in the US being a particularly good example - although there are others.
Personally I don't eat any processed sugar because I messed up my metabolism with bad diet. Plenty of veg, meat, fish, dairy, complex carbs (oats, rye, brown rice, others). Lost lots of weight, felt lots better. No problem.
Amazing how many people still cling to the discredited idea of calorie limitation and exercise. It doesn't work. You would have to run up and down the stairs 50 times to 'burn off' the calories from one piece of toast :laugh4:
No. If you expend more calories than you eat, you will lose weight. This is rudimentary physics were talking about here. If you don't, you should probably let the government know so they can study your magical body that produces calories from nothing so they can end the energy crisis.
Aemilius Paulus
03-07-2010, 05:16
No, Idaho is correct. Our bodies are rather efficient. One-hundred calories is a mile of running, roughly speaking. After that mile, plus a bit more passive exercise, you will be hungry and thirsty. You will not only fail to lose weight, but actually gain some. Read the new studies. Even the Times published an article on this sometime last year. The only way to lose weight is to eat a regular, filling, but yet healthy diet. Exercise builds up health, but it does not cause normal people to lose too much weight, if at all. Only the extremes do.
No, Idaho is correct. Our bodies are rather efficient. One-hundred calories is a mile of running, roughly speaking. After that mile, plus a bit more passive exercise, you will be hungry and thirsty. You will not only fail to lose weight, but actually gain some. Read the new studies. Even the Times published an article on this sometime last year. The only way to lose weight is to eat a regular, filling, but yet healthy diet. Exercise builds up health, but it does not cause normal people to lose too much weight, if at all. Only the extremes do.
You only need a two hundred daily calorie deficit to lose weight at a reasonable rate. You are right in the sense that starving yourself is bad, but it's pretty ridiculous to claim that exercise doesn't help. If you lift weights, you will build muscle. Muscles require more calories to sustain themselves, ergo you will burn more of them and lose weight.
Seriously; basic science here.
EDIT: Actually you're sort of right. Exercise doesn't contribute to your weight loss as much as diet but it does affect your body composition which is a factor.
That biggest loser or whatever it is called where they get fatties, feed them rabbit food then get them 24/7 in a gym shows that exercise and diet thing works for sure. After a month, they go from like 400 to 200 or whatever the weights they are.
Read the new studies. Even the Times published an article on this sometime last year. The only way to lose weight is to eat a regular, filling, but yet healthy diet. Exercise builds up health, but it does not cause normal people to lose too much weight, if at all.
Again, it is more complex than that. As I've already said the type of exercise you do is key. If you go for a 8km jog you won't lose weight if you are eating an ordinary diet. If you however, do 60 sets of sprints and an hour of weight training, without supplimenting your intake you will lose weight, because your metabolic rates are boosted for the following 24 hours after exercise.
It's natural for the body to increase it's intake of calories if you're doing that much intensive exercise though.
Louis VI the Fat
03-07-2010, 17:55
Man, I'd die from sheer stress having to take all of this nonsense into account. Eat this, eat that, exercise this way, that way.
Madness, I say!
Most Greeks grew up in far less abundance than 21st century US/Northwest European standards. They all smoke four packets of cigarettes a day. Can't keep their hands of the ouzo and wine either. Hospitals are so underfunded and full of obsolete equipment that your survival chances drop dramatically should you make the mistake of visiting one.
Yet all Greeks live to be ninety years old, in great physical and mental health. The Greek 'pensioner' works or tills his lands in the morning, dozes a bit in the afternoon, plays a game in the village square late afternoon, then spends the entire evening from six to one 'o clock eating and drinking. Olive oil, fish, lean meat and veggies. All fresh and unprocessed.
The more your diet and lifestyle resembles this, the longer, happier and healthier you live. Everything else is bollox that will only get you a heart attack at 48.
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Centurion1
03-07-2010, 19:45
i love southern europe so beautiful.............
ive never tried losing weigh ti just gain gain gain. so i always try to have as many calories as possible without becoming overweight.
do you guys know how they determine whether a population is overweight right? with the bmi index. im like 206-7 right now and im not overweight, i should be 155 if i want to be normal sized. Im 6'1 thats a tiny weight, i could see 175 maybe. so i dont really know how honestly to take those statistics for america. i mean no doubt there are plenty of fatties here but i think 50% percent which is the new buzz number is a little ridiculous.
anyone care to enlighten me.
Strike For The South
03-07-2010, 22:26
No, Idaho is correct. Our bodies are rather efficient. One-hundred calories is a mile of running, roughly speaking. After that mile, plus a bit more passive exercise, you will be hungry and thirsty. You will not only fail to lose weight, but actually gain some. Read the new studies. Even the Times published an article on this sometime last year. The only way to lose weight is to eat a regular, filling, but yet healthy diet. Exercise builds up health, but it does not cause normal people to lose too much weight, if at all. Only the extremes do.
This is just flat wrong. I've seen guys drop and gain hundredes of pounds before by counting calories, it's what stregnth sports are based on.
Now Idaho made a good point about macronutrients but Calories are still the most important thing.
A 500 calorie meal is a 500 calorie meal, eat only that and you will lose weight no matter what it is.
ajaxfetish
03-08-2010, 01:11
Of course, in Utah, you call jelly "Jell-o". So who knows what you might call soft drinks.
I'm pretty sure that's an America thing, not just a Utah thing. I assume you're referring to this (http://nailingjello.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jell-o-strawberry1.jpg) when you say jelly? What do you call this (http://www.americansweets.co.uk/ekmps/shops/statesidecandy/images/american-welch-s-concord-grape-jelly-jar-280-p.jpg)?
Ajax
Aemilius Paulus
03-08-2010, 01:14
Most Greeks grew up in far less abundance than 21st century US/Northwest European standards. They all smoke four packets of cigarettes a day. Can't keep their hands of the ouzo and wine either. Hospitals are so underfunded and full of obsolete equipment that your survival chances drop dramatically should you make the mistake of visiting one.
Yet all Greeks live to be ninety years old, in great physical and mental health. The Greek 'pensioner' works or tills his lands in the morning, dozes a bit in the afternoon, plays a game in the village square late afternoon, then spends the entire evening from six to one 'o clock eating and drinking. Olive oil, fish, lean meat and veggies. All fresh and unprocessed.
The more your diet and lifestyle resembles this, the longer, happier and healthier you live. Everything else is bollox that will only get you a heart attack at 48.
https://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6017/gregregre.jpg
Nice alternate reality there... I think you were joking, right?
I'm pretty sure that's an America thing, not just a Utah thing. I assume you're referring to this (http://nailingjello.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jell-o-strawberry1.jpg) when you say jelly? What do you call this (http://www.americansweets.co.uk/ekmps/shops/statesidecandy/images/american-welch-s-concord-grape-jelly-jar-280-p.jpg)?
Ajax
The first one is jelly, and the second is jam. So what do you use the word jam to describe then?
ajaxfetish
03-08-2010, 01:23
So what do you use the word jam to describe then?
This (http://www.girl.com.au/img/csr_raspberry_jam.jpg), of course!
(Yeah, there's really never been a clear distinction for me between what we call jams and what we call jellies. Some things are generally called jelly (I've never heard of a grape jam or apple jam) while others are always jams (I've similarly never heard of a raspberry jelly). Jello's one of those brand names like kleenex or bandaid that have come to mean the item rather than the brand here in the U.S. Calling jello a jelly just sounds really odd to me)
p.s. My wife informs me that jam has seeds or pulp, while jelly is made out of the juice and so doesn't have any chunkiness or texture to it.
Ajax
Nice alternate reality there... I think you were joking, right?
I'd say 50% joking, 50% serious. There is truth to it. Greeks (79.9) live longer than Americans (78), Brits (79.3), And Russians (67.6). However the Japanese live longest (82.5).
But it is surprising, considering 42% of Greek adults smoke, and heavily, compared to half that in the USA (20~%). And the disparity of public/private service available for the majority of the population.
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2010, 04:38
I'd say 50% joking, 50% serious. There is truth to it. Greeks (79.9) live longer than Americans (78), Brits (79.3), And Russians (67.6). However the Japanese live longest (82.5).
But it is surprising, considering 42% of Greek adults smoke, and heavily, compared to half that in the USA (20~%). And the disparity of public/private service available for the majority of the population.Aye. It's the paradox of Mediterranean Europe. The Greeks have some of the highest smoking and overweight rates, and lowest healthcare spending in the EU. Yet life expectancy is right up there with the best.
Not to mention, Greece had a difficult 20th century, was slow to develop. All those old people grew up, spend much of their life, in quite adverse circumstances.
Sheer quality of life, and normal, real food make up for a lot. To a large extent, the same holds true for Italy, Malta, Spain.
All this talk about food as something you need to recuperate from. Gah! There's something wrong with your food if you feel worse from eating lots of what you like instead of better.
Coffee and a fag, enjoying the sunshine with your mates - that's the key to a healthy old age. Diet is a good lunch, plenty of time taken for it. A nice meal in the evening, consumed sitting down, on a table, attention devoted to the meal and your company instead of a televion. Eat normal, 'real' food, things your grandma would've recognised.
So much better than constant worries about avoiding the worst of those weird post-industrial non-foods, from which you have to recover by endless physical torture merely to maintain what's left of your health.
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Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2010, 04:44
do you guys know how they determine whether a population is overweight right? with the bmi index. im like 206-7 right now and im not overweight, i should be 155 if i want to be normal sized. Im 6'1 thats a tiny weight, i could see 175 maybe. so i dont really know how honestly to take those statistics for america. i mean no doubt there are plenty of fatties here but i think 50% percent which is the new buzz number is a little ridiculous.
anyone care to enlighten me.6'1, 207 lbs. That's 1.85 meter. 94 kilogram.
Me, I am 6'0 / 1.83. I weigh 160 lbs / 73. I'm considered normal, if perhaps, how shall I put it, slightly lacking the beef for rugby or some such.
This (http://www.girl.com.au/img/csr_raspberry_jam.jpg), of course!
(Yeah, there's really never been a clear distinction for me between what we call jams and what we call jellies. Some things are generally called jelly (I've never heard of a grape jam or apple jam) while others are always jams (I've similarly never heard of a raspberry jelly). Jello's one of those brand names like kleenex or bandaid that have come to mean the item rather than the brand here in the U.S. Calling jello a jelly just sounds really odd to me)
p.s. My wife informs me that jam has seeds or pulp, while jelly is made out of the juice and so doesn't have any chunkiness or texture to it.
Ajax
Hm, interesting. I thought when looking at your "jelly" that it looked a bit smooth to be called jam. But then, pretty much all jam has fruit pieces or pips in it over here.
Centurion1
03-08-2010, 22:47
6'1, 207 lbs. That's 1.85 meter. 94 kilogram.
Me, I am 6'0 / 1.83. I weigh 160 lbs / 73. I'm considered normal, if perhaps, how shall I put it, slightly lacking the beef for rugby or some such.
exactly im a american football player and im not fat either. im right fast running 40 yard dash in 4.75 seconds (last i checked) and the mile in 6:013 minutes. 160 pounds on my frame (broad shoulders, thickish neck) would look like im starving. i can see may 180 for a minimum weight 9and once i stop lifting and join the military ill probably hit that weight) but i dislike when a stupid formula says im bloody obese.
im not fat i have a 34-5 waist. though we will see now that basketball is over.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-09-2010, 00:38
Man, I'd die from sheer stress having to take all of this nonsense into account. Eat this, eat that, exercise this way, that way.
Madness, I say!
Most Greeks grew up in far less abundance than 21st century US/Northwest European standards. They all smoke four packets of cigarettes a day. Can't keep their hands of the ouzo and wine either. Hospitals are so underfunded and full of obsolete equipment that your survival chances drop dramatically should you make the mistake of visiting one.
Yet all Greeks live to be ninety years old, in great physical and mental health. The Greek 'pensioner' works or tills his lands in the morning, dozes a bit in the afternoon, plays a game in the village square late afternoon, then spends the entire evening from six to one 'o clock eating and drinking. Olive oil, fish, lean meat and veggies. All fresh and unprocessed.
The more your diet and lifestyle resembles this, the longer, happier and healthier you live. Everything else is bollox that will only get you a heart attack at 48.
https://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6017/gregregre.jpg
I tend to agreed, with the addendum that retirement kills you. Once you retire you have less of a reason to keep living; this is why College Dons live so long.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 01:21
6'1, 207 lbs. That's 1.85 meter. 94 kilogram.
Me, I am 6'0 / 1.83. I weigh 160 lbs / 73. I'm considered normal, if perhaps, how shall I put it, slightly lacking the beef for rugby or some such.
You weigh the same as I do!!
but the "tall viking"-thing seems to be malfunctioning, I'm 11cm shorter than a frenchie?!? Your surname better be Ericsson.
Centurion1
03-09-2010, 01:26
Your all stocky little inbred Europeans. My ancestors found a more diverse gene pool and thrived in it. :clown:
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 01:29
Stocky? No fat on this chap, my good sir! :toff:
but being Norwegian, I won't argue with the inbreed-thingy...
Centurion1
03-09-2010, 01:49
Stocky? No fat on this chap, my good sir!
but being Norwegian, I won't argue with the inbreed-thingy...
for your women inbreeding obviously favors them.
exactly im a american football player and im not fat either. im right fast running 40 yard dash in 4.75 seconds (last i checked) and the mile in 6:013 minutes. 160 pounds on my frame (broad shoulders, thickish neck) would look like im starving. i can see may 180 for a minimum weight 9and once i stop lifting and join the military ill probably hit that weight) but i dislike when a stupid formula says im bloody obese.
im not fat i have a 34-5 waist. though we will see now that basketball is over.
Fat % is key. BMI and such may say you are overweight, but it doesn't take into account muscle mass vs fat mass.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 08:08
Fat % is key. BMI and such may say you are overweight, but it doesn't take into account muscle mass vs fat mass.
BMI is a wonderful tool to use in statistics over large populations.
It's catastrophic when applied on an individual level.
Your all stocky little inbred Europeans. My ancestors found a more diverse gene pool and thrived in it. :clown:
I am 6'6", 195-200cm approx.
Which means you are the stocky inbred, my friend.
Also, Swedish/Dutch/etc people are tall. I remember going to Holland and there were many people around my height. It is quite freaky.
This is just flat wrong. I've seen guys drop and gain hundredes of pounds before by counting calories, it's what stregnth sports are based on.
Now Idaho made a good point about macronutrients but Calories are still the most important thing.
A 500 calorie meal is a 500 calorie meal, eat only that and you will lose weight no matter what it is.
You are making a massive assumption which is distorting your understanding.
Just because you eat a meal with a calorific value of 500 - doesn't mean your body will absorb, or do the same thing with those calories.
Firstly, your body absorbs different food at different rates. What is shit made of? Fat and fibre. You don't get fat from eating fat. You shit most of it out.
Secondly, your body adjusts to it's diet. Put your body on reduced calories and it will start conserving energy.
Therefore the concept of a 500 calorie meal is nonsense. 500 calories of sugar will be rapidly absorbed by your body. 500 calories of nuts will not be.
Kagemusha
03-11-2010, 21:23
Im with Idaho in this one.I dont know so much about dietiing as dont count normally calories in my meals. But from personal experience i can say that after i reached thirty something changed in my metabolism. Before that i had a good appetite and pretty much consumed anything i ate without getting fat. After 30 i started having some digestic issues and gained some weight quite rapidly.
After that point i changed my diet somewhat. More whole meat. compared to processed stuff. Less wheat of anykind compared to meat and vegetables, preferable whole grain bread( which i consume still too much because i just like to eat that damn bread too much ;)). I dropped soda alltogether and switched to water and milk with food and for thirst. Lastly i have started eating lots of nuts and almonds as snacks and i feel and look lot better now then in long time before. For me the daily calories intake is not such a problem. In the long run it seems in what form i take it seems to be lot more important.
Myrddraal
03-12-2010, 16:16
p.s. My wife informs me that jam has seeds or pulp, while jelly is made out of the juice and so doesn't have any chunkiness or texture to it.
I think that's pretty much right. Jelly is originally a liquid which is made to 'set'. This doesn't have to be fruit juice, it can also be meat juice (as in the jelly you get around pate). Jam is just mushed up fruit. It doesn't have a solid consistency. You can cut jelly, but cutting jam is a bit like cutting water. That's my understanding anyway.
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