Augustan Reforms Question

[Drewski]

Not long after getting the Marians, I spotted a message in the massive seasonal list of faction announcements, that one of my FMs had "High Ambitions". I checked what this was, and found he was prime for Augustus (was even overqualified)..So I made him faction heir, and only two seasons later:- 438

Now just more provinces to get and 22 years to wait......:inquisitive:

So here's several pertinent questions on the matter:-

1) When I check the number of provinces I have, the map/advisor screen says I hold more than I actually do. It's counting the provinces of my protectorate too. So does the script read this same number (very important to know as it will dictate strategy).

2) I need to get to 125 BC to be Augustan Reform Eligable. My Augustus will be 66 years old that year, so it's going to be touch and go. If he dies before then, is that it, no possibility of Augustan Reforms for that particular game?

or

3) Will the reforms happen anyway, once I reach 125BC, now I've had an "Augustus" (will his son become an Augustus for example?)

Tricky questions, but I hope someone has the answers ;)

Thanks.

[Antonivs Silvicola]

1-Im pretty sure it only counts the provinces you actually own.
2-If your Augustus dies before 125, you will have to wait on another FM with the high ambitions trait and make him your faction heir. When he takes over you should get the reforms. Good luck!

[Lysimachos]

I think this is a legitimate reason for reloading if he dies before you get the reforms.

[Mulceber]

I think this is a legitimate reason for reloading if he dies before you get the reforms.

Agreed.

[Drewski]

Thanks for thoughts and answers :)

It's now 142BC, Augustus is residing in Rome. He's got "hale and hearty" trait, so I'm hoping he'll manage to live to at least 66...

Kyrene has been annexed, Legions II, III and IV are in that vicinity (with at least 7 full yellow death stacks close by), slowly pushing Eastward. Pontus has become a minor power, and is making threatening noises around Byzantion. Legio Illyria has been recruited, Legio Thrakia has a "men wanted" poster on the wall.

Live long and prosper Augustus, but mostly just live long ;)

[Poulp']

@Drewski

I'm curious as to why you still using outdated Camilian Triarii in your army?

[Ca Putt]

I'm curious as to why you still using outdated Camilian Triarii in your army? and they are "green" if you were not playing as rome I'd say those are some expensive gerrison troops^^

btw I agree feel free to reload when he dies

[Drewski]

@Drewski

I'm curious as to why you still using outdated Camilian Triarii in your army?


and they are "green" if you were not playing as rome I'd say those are some expensive gerrison troops^

btw I agree feel free to reload when he dies

LOL...Good points. Thing is, they have been sitting in the fort to the east for around 100 game years (as part of a deterrent to The Getai - we have shared a peaceful border for most of 100 years). They were originally part of a full balanced Camillan Army, which gradually got depleted fighting brigands, when it became irreplaceable. At one point, I had a full early "legion" in Segestica, and another in that Fort, when the Getai were becoming a mite menacing....They marched a full stack and another half stack in the direction of Segestica, saw two good full stacks sitting there and walked away. They never came back.. :) You need to look big to play slowly and peacefully with no FD.

So it worked ;)

I always garrsion border towns/forts with decent armies, everywhere else gets the cheapest guys possible. And I do have over 15 million mnai as well....

There's your sort of answer, part also is the sheer effort of micromanaging a massive empire, and the logistics of replacing outdated troops as the Romani.

[Poulp']

Please disband them immediately; I mean, these guys deserves a rest after 100 years of service. (who wouldn't?)
Let them go back to their families, there, they'll meet their great grandchildren, kiss them and they'll go back to their wifes in the family crypt.


Good point about flexing your muscles to keep the Getai at bay though.

[Africanus]

Thanks for thoughts and answers :)

It's now 142BC, Augustus is residing in Rome. He's got "hale and hearty" trait, so I'm hoping he'll manage to live to at least 66...

Kyrene has been annexed, Legions II, III and IV are in that vicinity (with at least 7 full yellow death stacks close by), slowly pushing Eastward. Pontus has become a minor power, and is making threatening noises around Byzantion. Legio Illyria has been recruited, Legio Thrakia has a "men wanted" poster on the wall.

Live long and prosper Augustus, but mostly just live long ;)

Be advised my Augustan Reforms (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126209-Early-Augustan-Reform&highlight=) kicked in at 142 B.C., just 20 years or so after I had the Marian Reforms, so you might not have to wait much longer if you have the other priorities met.

[Cute Wolf]

Please disband them immediately; I mean, these guys deserves a rest after 100 years of service. (who wouldn't?)
Let them go back to their families, there, they'll meet their great grandchildren, kiss them and they'll go back to their wifes in the family crypt.


Good point about flexing your muscles to keep the Getai at bay though.

LOL :laugh4:

They should be their "original's" grandchildren, wearing their Grandpa's outdated outfit.... all you need is give them a new shiny Gladius and Chainmail.... :wink:

[Drewski]

Be advised my Augustan Reforms (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126209-Early-Augustan-Reform&highlight=) kicked in at 142 B.C., just 20 years or so after I had the Marian Reforms, so you might not have to wait much longer if you have the other priorities met.

137 BC Summer...I've played ALL night again. I managed 4 yrs of game time, in 12 hrs straight real time (ouch)..I now have all of Africa minus Memphis, and two other Nile Ptol provinces, I have spent (don't laugh) 9 million mnai on this war (I bought 2 cities, bribed god knows how many stacks, and unbelievably 8 Ptol Fms in total) :dizzy2: The Ptols had 55 provinces when I started on them, it got very, very crazy- every city needed me to beat at least 3 full stacks...it's quietened down a mite recently though, but you need a full garrison for every city within reach, cos the ai always seems to know....

LOL :laugh4:

They should be their "original's" grandchildren, wearing their Grandpa's outdated outfit.... all you need is give them a new shiny Gladius and Chainmail.... :wink:

:) I sorta roleplayed that they were stuck in their ways, and that new fangled manipular stuff was quite trendy, but the old fashioned Triarii Equipment was better (which sadly it is in stat/game terms)...The Armor was well cared for, and passed down through the generations.....and of course, they never saw active melee combat...

Going to the Triarii? Me? never ...;)

[Cute Wolf]

Hmm.... they should be moved to an Antesignani unit.. if you were in the Marian... first they are far better than Triarii, and second they are elite unit....

[Drewski]

Hmm.... they should be moved to an Antesignani unit.. if you were in the Marian... first they are far better than Triarii, and second they are elite unit....

See my above post...I have full stack Camilan and Polybian all over the place (in potential trouble spots)...Im fighting 3 or 4 full stack battles per turn...just remembering which 1st cohort belongs to which Legio after retraining is quite enough, thank you ;)

[AntonineWall]

You played for 12 hours?

Again?

Blimey, if I even thought of doing such a thing it would be divorce for me! No wonder I am nowhere near finishing even my first campaign. 12 hours play is prolly about 6 weeks worth of EB for me.

[Drewski]

You played for 12 hours?

Again?

Blimey, if I even thought of doing such a thing it would be divorce for me! No wonder I am nowhere near finishing even my first campaign. 12 hours play is prolly about 6 weeks worth of EB for me.

The (dubious) benefits of being single and having your own house ;)