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You guys really think my mafia teammates would let me get away with this nonsense? You can't even stand it as townies with very little to lose. You know if I did this as your partner you'd rip my throat out. Are you just punishing me for not going along with your foolproof plans, or do you really think I behave this way as scum? My mates both freaked when I voted myself in Inishmore. Most freak out when I even mention voting them in a safe situation where I know they won't get lynched. Thinking I am mafia right now is the height of absurdity.
These votes are very simple: you don't like the way I'm playing the game. Fair enough, but that won't catch you any scum.
Sasaki would, and he's the only potential mafia partner to whom the whole "letting me get away with this" argument would apply; if it's anyone else, you simply screwed up with a scummy reaction to Sasaki's provocation.
Bad argument.
Kagemusha
04-15-2010, 14:13
Like i said before.What is happening between Sasaki and ATPG is just paranoia taking a destructive form. I doubt that if ATPG would be scum. His response to Sasakis self lynch proposal would have been what it is, while Sasaki only sees what he wants to see in Pizza´s replies.
Pointless and mis-placed. ATPG hasn't tried to lead anything (yet). You should be voting Beskar. Why aren't you?
I think there's a good reason to leave Beskar alone:
On retrospect, Beskars' explanations seem reasonable.
On top of that, I've seen nobody counterclaiming this holocron thingy and the details about the powers of a Jedi Master; if Beskar would be lying, a Jedi Master would come forward and say so. Beskar has given many details, so if it's a lie, there must be a mistake in it and a real Jedi Master would be able to point that out. A mafia for a town power role is a good deal, so a Jedi Master would probably sacrifice himself by revealing and saying Beskar is lying. As long as no Jedi Master says Beskar lies, I think we can let him off the hook.
He has been answering plenty of questions; if there's a lie in it, a Jedi Master will step forward, point it out and we lose a pro-town power role for a mafia, which is a good deal.
Kagemusha
04-15-2010, 14:14
I think there's a good reason to leave Beskar alone:
He has been answering plenty of questions; if there's a lie in it, a Jedi Master will step forward, point it out and we lose a pro-town power role for a mafia, which is a good deal.
Whats the tally?
pevergreen
04-15-2010, 14:22
He has been answering plenty of questions; if there's a lie in it, a Jedi Master will step forward, point it out and we lose a pro-town power role for a mafia, which is a good deal.
Don't entirely agree. They may want to just save their own skin and try to nightkill him or something?
I agree with Kage for the most part, not sure about Beskar, there seem to be some explanations for his behaviour that elude the suspicious eye.
Is anyone else surprised about the behaviour of Yaseikhaan or is that just some mafia-thing he does where he follows GH like a brainless zombie rendering himself almost useless to the town?
There are also a few people who hardly post, while others post a bit too much, as usual, so:
Vote: Diamondeye
for being more or less inactive.
what? You say a force-ghost can't vote? that's uhm, ghostist! :furious3:
:shrug: ATPG's self-lynching style is intentionally designed to confuse people. When he starts doing it, he either doesn't care about the game, in which case his role isn't important enough to be a huge loss if he's lynched, or he's bluffing, in which case calling him on it will help the town one way or another. Regardless, I see no harm in helping him fulfill his boasts.
unvote, vote Sasaki
You don't appear to be reading for context. You questioned why anyone could find Sasaki suspicious, I answered that he deliberately provoked ATPG about that sort of behavior -- which he had yet to evidence in this game. Yet you respond to me by defending a vote based on the behavior that Sasaki himself provoked rather than commenting on the validity or lack thereof of my suspicion against him. It looks like you're trying to deflect attention from Sasaki here.
@ Andres: I have no intention of voting Beskar; that was a challenge to ACIN's own claims about his motivations.
@ pevergreen: If that's so, then let's leave them to their work, eh?
I agree with Kage for the most part, not sure about Beskar, there seem to be some explanations for his behaviour that elude the suspicious eye.
Not really, Kage is far more susipicious than me.
Since I so far contributed a lot to the town, pretty much proven townie, telling the truth, etc... on the otherhand, what do we know about Kagemusha? Known Innocent versus a total unknown.
pevergreen
04-15-2010, 14:59
@ pevergreen: If that's so, then let's leave them to their work, eh?
Lets run away to Dagobah together!
Ibn-Khaldun
04-15-2010, 15:02
Wasting a lynch on Beskar who can not be lynched is pointless. If you people think he is scum then vig kill him in the night or investigate him.
From the write-ups it seems that there are 4 powerful people(with Force ability?).
The killers are interesting though. One uses Force while the other uses lightsaber. So, a Master and an Apprentice? That Master could possibly be one of the Jedi Masters while the other one could be Jedi Knight. Only Jedi have lightsaber. Also, all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.
all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.
Are you basing the existence of droids on the way people were talking, or something said in private?
Don't entirely agree. They may want to just save their own skin and try to nightkill him or something?
Then the write-up will learn us how Beskar gets killed and we'll be able to draw our conclusions.
It's simple:
a) Beskar is scum and then: 1) a Master Jedi will step forward and sacrifice his role for a mafia (good deal); or 2) the Jedi Masters will kill Beskar at night;
b) Beskar is innocent and nothing will happen, he'll probably end up killed by the Sith a few rounds later once they understand he won't get lynched.
No matter what, as it is now it's pointless for town to keep their votes on Beskar.
GeneralHankerchief
04-15-2010, 15:06
Just because Beskar survived a lynch once doesn't mean he can do it infinitely. Again, for those who didn't play in The Settlement, I point to CountArach, an anti-town role that needed to be lynched twice in order to be fully destroyed.
Some further reading on the subject (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_induction)
Just because Beskar survived a lynch once doesn't mean he can do it infinitely. Again, for those who didn't play in The Settlement, I point to CountArach, an anti-town role that needed to be lynched twice in order to be fully destroyed.
Some further reading on the subject (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_induction)
*** points at post # 513 ***
Not really, Kage is far more susipicious than me.
I didn't say he isn't, I just mean he is right about the Sasaki/ATPG thing potentially being a huge distraction away from actual issues and that I don't necessarily agree with him about you.
Since I so far contributed a lot to the town, pretty much proven townie, telling the truth, etc... on the otherhand, what do we know about Kagemusha? Known Innocent versus a total unknown.
The way I see it, everything you "contributed to the town" so far was in your own best interest as well and that you said the truth about one or two things does not mean that everything you said and the way you put it in context is true as well. And since everyone likes to point at previous mafia games, in some, I think it was a capo, Sigurd made a very convincing case of being a relatively neutral serial killer who could be beneficial to the town, IIRC he was actually a mafia boss. So just because you have a good story that fits with some of the things that happened you aren't necessarily innocent. Sigurd has also given powerful pro-town PMs as coverups to powerful anti-town forces before, that's why the Jotun king and another Jotun could hide as king and champion in midgard one, in fact, even the investigation hinted at them being king and champion, later Sigurd said it was to balance the all-too powerful town-network. Just saying that the idea of you being sith and having a jedi-master PM as a cover-up is not all that far-fetched, which doesn't mean it has to be true either. :shrug:
Diamondeye
04-15-2010, 15:57
Well i dont deal with coulds and shoulds. So far im not convinced about him as i havent heard of anything helpfull to the town coming from him. As long as the situation remains the same he is my lynch priority number uno.
Only a sith deals in absolutes. vote:Kagemusha
Then the write-up will learn us how Beskar gets killed and we'll be able to draw our conclusions.
It's simple:
a) Beskar is scum and then: 1) a Master Jedi will step forward and sacrifice his role for a mafia (good deal); or 2) the Jedi Masters will kill Beskar at night;
b) Beskar is innocent and nothing will happen, he'll probably end up killed by the Sith a few rounds later once they understand he won't get lynched.
No matter what, as it is now it's pointless for town to keep their votes on Beskar.
I agree :bow:, well put, Andres.
I don't like the ATPG bandwagon to be honest, but it's still better than a Beskar (wasted) lynch, so let's try to pick on someone else.
I may not know how ATPG and Sasaki normally play, but I found their finger-pointing mildly amusing, and not really scummier than many other comments around it. However, I see someone acting very much out of character, all while accusing others of the same thing. Renata bandwagoning a high-profile player on day 2, based on appearances alone? :shocked: Never thought I'd see the day. There has to be something more behind that. What, I wonder?
vote: Renata
Also, all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.
If there really are droid roles, then I strongly disagree about them being guaranteed innocents.
I don't know if you're familiar with the KOTOR games, but HK-47 is not exactly "good".
I may not know how ATPG and Sasaki normally play, but I found their finger-pointing mildly amusing, and not really scummier than many other comments around it. However, I see someone acting very much out of character, all while accusing others of the same thing. Renata bandwagoning a high-profile player on day 2, based on appearances alone? :shocked: Never thought I'd see the day. There has to be something more behind that. What, I wonder?
vote: Renata
This is actually the first game in which Renata doesn't strike me as suspicious. In the previous games, she was always town though.
What to make of that... :thinking:
Diamondeye
04-15-2010, 16:19
This is actually the first game in which Renata doesn't strike me as suspicious. In the previous games, she was always town though.
What to make of that... :thinking:
I should mention, for those who are not aware, that Niklas comes from the same forum (CFC) as Renata and has played quite a number of mafia-like games with (and against) her over there.
Then again, we do play differently over here at the .org, it might just be that Niklas is not accustomed to the orgish Renata yet. But she's worth keeping an eye on, as always :tongue:
Unvote:autolycus, Vote:Csargo
Unvote:autolycus, Vote:Csargo
Csargo doesn't strike me as guilty :inquisitive: And your reasons for voting him are non existent.
Vote : Csargo
Explain your vote on Csargo :brood:
pevergreen
04-15-2010, 16:48
Unvote:autolycus, Vote:Csargo
Oh, this is the last straw.
Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Strawberry
I agree. Csargo is my friend, how dare you vote for him.
Unvote; Vote: Csargo
I am a Jedi Master?
So is Obi-wan and Mace Windypoo and Qui-gon and Kyle Katarn and so on and so on.
Vote: Beskie :love:
pevergreen
04-15-2010, 17:12
So is Obi-wan and Mace Windypoo and Qui-gon and Kyle Katarn and so on and so on.
Vote: Beskie :love:
If you were going for the joke, I would have stuck to these:
Obi-one, Mace Windypoo, Qui-Gone, Heyla Sekyoura Mitt Histo etc
Csargo doesn't strike me as guilty :inquisitive: And your reasons for voting him are non existent.
Vote : Csargo
Explain your vote on Csargo :brood:
For lack of a better person to pick.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-15-2010, 20:51
Renata, your argument rests on assuming that I as mafia would go out of my way to wagon pizza at the start of the game. Where is the benefit in that compared to wagoning someone else? And what makes you think I wouldn't deliberately push on someone as town? I just usually abandon these early wagons because they lose their appeal for some reason, this one hasn't though.
Also:
1) you said my vote for niklas was artificial or something like that
2) but you voted for zach as a welcome to mafia
3) and you think the context of pizza's vote was obvious. Why wasn't the context of my vote obvious?
Renata, your argument rests on assuming that I as mafia would go out of my way to wagon pizza at the start of the game. Where is the benefit in that compared to wagoning someone else? And what makes you think I wouldn't deliberately push on someone as town? I just usually abandon these early wagons because they lose their appeal for some reason, this one hasn't though.
Also:
1) you said my vote for niklas was artificial or something like that
2) but you voted for zach as a welcome to mafia
3) and you think the context of pizza's vote was obvious. Why wasn't the context of my vote obvious?
There's nothing wrong with your vote on him. It's what followed that that I'm taking issue with. The particular way in which you chose to go after Pizza was almost guaranteed to draw a suspicious-looking response, regardless of Pizza's alignment. That doesn't look like an honest way to provoke someone.
No issue with your vote on Niklas either, it was merely a comparison to demonstrate what I meant by artificial.
Diana Abnoba
04-15-2010, 21:43
Okay I thought about this for a while and;
IMO when I reread the Sasaki/Pizza thing, Pizza is not mafia. Pizza isn't even THAT crazy to use this as a tactic so early. Also it sounded to emotional, frustrated, tired of metagaming...giving up. When he is mafia, he may pull crazy tactics, but he is more calculated, he has a answer for just about everything. I think he needs to just calm down, and adjust the attitude a little. I think we all need to take a deep breath, and realize this IS only a game and it is suppose to be fun. Our 'in the dark, banging into walls', frustration, peaked yesterday, and so many jumped on the banwagon. As for Sasaki, not sure, it could have just been a way to check Pizza out, but I think that if Sasaki were town he wouldn't have kept it going. Sorry guys, but for some of you "great mafia players", us not so great mafia players or not as experienced mafia players, follow your lead. It is not at all fair to you, it is not right, we all need to think for ourselves, but it is true. "With great power comes great responsibility" :laugh4: .
As for Beskar, enough all ready. IMO not a good lynch either;
1. Can't be lynched, so just another wasted round.
2. We have made him great mafia bait for a murder, with his ID...in thread.
3. If we do have others that have had this also happen to them, maybe in some way let us know so we can verify his claims.
4. If all claims are right, then why does everyone want to kill our pro-town roles, if he can turn to the dark side, then watch him, but don't push him away, if everyone was after me, I might say to heck with them, they already think I'm Sith, may as well become Sith.
5. If he is the Dark Lord (GF) then we need to find his partners before we can get him, so change the focus off him and look elsewhere.
All together this is just a waste of a lynch, so why GH are you so stuck on it?
hmmmm...a GH and Sasaki mafia team oooohh
(could just be coincidence)
But I think the only good that may have come out of all this drama yesterday, is somewhere, in the Beskar and Pizza votes lies mafia!
But not to worry too much mafia, because of the paranoid lost townies right now, there won't be a big townie network starting. IMO it won't work here, but many small ones may. :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-15-2010, 21:43
It wasn't guaranteed to draw a suspicious looking response. Pizza's responses are often not-suspicious. See Mafia IX where he offered himself up for lynch and didn't draw much flak for it.
Diana Abnoba
04-15-2010, 21:57
Vote: ATPG I'm going to be vehemently anti leadership this entire game.
Don't think I'm not after him as well. ATPG is my best chance of seeing a top player leave this round, so im joining the party and voting him out. I'll vote for beskar, Sasaki, and anyone else whose post count is outrageous.
Is this the way you catch mafia, sounds more like the way you protect your mafia butt and your mafia partner's butts.
Vote: ACIN
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 22:05
unvote, vote: Csargo
Because I was told to. Now I shall go back to doing nothing.
I disagree with Diana's reasoning, but agree on the individual. Going after people solely due to their post count isn't going to help us at all.
Vote: ACIN
Why aren't people voting for me? :sad:
Is this the way you catch mafia, sounds more like the way you protect your mafia butt and your mafia partner's butts.
To be fair to ACIN, he's played like this pretty consistently in every mafia game I've seen him in.
Unvote; Vote: ACIN
You big post contributor you.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 22:55
unvote, vote: ACIN
My sith lords command me to do so.
Seems to be plenty of Rage Against The Pizza. In that spirit, I'm going to be Lynchin' In The Name Of.
vote: ACIN
Unvote:Csargo, Vote: ACIN
I'm a zombie rar
voting closed...
Execution in the press.
atheotes
04-15-2010, 23:03
Wasting a lynch on Beskar who can not be lynched is pointless. If you people think he is scum then vig kill him in the night or investigate him.
From the write-ups it seems that there are 4 powerful people(with Force ability?).
The killers are interesting though. One uses Force while the other uses lightsaber. So, a Master and an Apprentice? That Master could possibly be one of the Jedi Masters while the other one could be Jedi Knight. Only Jedi have lightsaber. Also, all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.
you are making an absolute statement on Beskar's lynchability (dont think it is a word :laugh4:) . You cannot be sure about it. I for one dont think it is true.
there are too many assumptions... droids can be considered as innocent only if we know for sure that we are dealing with just Siths and Droids cannot be recruited into their team. Jedi and Sith have lightsabers and can kill using force. Right now i am guessing that the red light saber means it is a sith. if i see any other lightsabers in the kills i will be willing to lynch them as well.
normally i would have voted for you because your post sticks out with absolutes...but i think you are just misguided/misinformed.
Looks like we dont have any valid lynch options.... i think i will Vote: Beskar
we can find out if he is lying...and i prefer this to random lynch. This atleast gives me more information. If I do find anyone else more suspicious i will switch my vote.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 23:05
God bless this voodoo doll.
Five votes for ACIN in the last five minutes of the round? Wow, THAT wasn't scummy or anything...
atheotes
04-15-2010, 23:15
:wall: missed voting... all because i cant compose a post quick enough :wall:
johnhughthom
04-15-2010, 23:33
:wall: missed voting... all because i cant compose a post quick enough :wall:
It was a lovely post though...
Five votes for ACIN in the last five minutes of the round? Wow, THAT wasn't scummy or anything...
I notice how a lot of those people swoop down like bats onto other voters when they vote without any reasoning.
Greyblades
04-15-2010, 23:39
Ugh. I had forgotten how hard it was keeping up with big games that have a post per 5 minutes.
Just wait for some people to die, the posts will die down a bit.
I notice how a lot of those people swoop down like bats onto other voters when they vote without any reasoning.
I was going to give a better explanation but I thought that Diana had summed up everything I wanted to say.
Belisarius II
04-15-2010, 23:56
Oh! Looks like I was in the bathroom for too long.
I really have to look at this game more often, these posts are building up too quickly to keep up and participate at the same time.
I hope you are indeed right Choxorn.
Round 3
Night
The door to the auditorium opened and the expedition leader entered. He looked briefly up on the time counter and noticed the 00:01 minute overtime. Perfect again, he thought. They have probably been sitting there since the timer went out and stared at the door with anticipation. Let them sweat a little.
He went over to the center floor and looked up at the gathered Jedi members. “Well?” he continued. “Do you have a candidate for me?” The gathered Jedi looked a little nervous at each other but finally one spoke up: “Yes we have, master. We have chosen Hoth.”
Everybody turned and looked at Hoth who looked a bit confused. “Wha… I thought we were going to go for Count Dooku again?”
The expedition leader replied: “Give me the tally young one.” The one who had first spoken, stepped up to the expedition leader and handed him the tally. He took a long look at it and continued: “No… they are correct, you are the one chosen.” The one called Hoth a big and powerful man with an equally big temper, blew a few fuses and got to his feet puffing smoke out of his nostrils. “I am not going to sit here and let you do this.” Hoth got to his feet and went for the expedition leader. Just as he was about to pick up the small man, he was elevated off the floor and slammed into the nearest wall which knocked the wind out of him. The expedition leader turned and saw one of the Jedi Masters standing behind him with a raised hand. “Thank you Master”, the expedition leader said. “Your welcome, Master”, answered the Jedi Master and slightly bowed his head in reverence.
Well, let’s get on with it. Three Jedi Knights took care of the winded Hoth and dragged him out the door with the entire Jedi group following.
The ceremony was short and to the point. Hoth were thrown towards the space barrier which he floated through. It took only a short moment for Hoth to die in vacuum space. His body was later recovered and put in a casket and stored in the morgue.
“Shall we see if this ship is ready to be powered up?” The Jedi group of 35 was a little startled about the execution, but complied and went to do their assigned tasks.
Tally
a completely inoffensive name: 7 (ATPG, Beskar, Csargo, Diana, Methos, Secura, TheFlax)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (ACIN, Sasaki, Subotan, TinCow)
Beskar: 4 (GH, Kage, Psycho, 'khaan)
Csargo: 2 (Andres, pever)
White_Eyes:D: 2 (autolycus, Winston)
Diana Abnoba: 1 (Chaotix)
Renata: 1 (Niklas)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Renata)
Not voting: 14 (atheotes, AVSM, Belisarius, Centurion1, Diamondeye, Greyblades, Ibn, johnhugh, Jolt, Joooray, Lord Winter, Thermal, WE:D, Yaropolk)
Timer is set... night actions for those that can do them delivered to me ASAP. The night phase will end at 00:00 GMT+1 Saturday the 17th of April (roughly 24 hours from now)
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Alive:
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
AVSM
Belisarius II
Beskar
Centurion1
Chaotix
Csargo
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
Ibn-Khaldun
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Methos
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
TheFlax
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Five votes for ACIN in the last five minutes of the round? Wow, THAT wasn't scummy or anything...
It would have been 6 if I was on in time, given the candidates.
People are voting pretty predicatably, It simply isn't worth wasting another vote on Beskar, yet at least. ATPG is just a victim of his own talkative nature, nothing more.
I'd rather vote for ACIN than 2 players which are probably pro-town, from what little information we have.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 00:17
I'm a victim of more than my own talkativeness, but that's part of it.
If I am to continue playing, I do feel people deserve a sincere explanation for that previous round.
1. Yesterday was Diana's father's birthday, and I had to clean the whole house top to bottom, mow the lawn, and trim, etc... to get the house nice enough to have them over. I am a day sleeper, and I had to get up and do it during the day, so I had about 2 hours of sleep
2. I've been fighting a mild sore throat for days, and it is finally irritating my psyche.
3. The games I was in, I was under pressure or at critical stages of the game.
4. I'm behind on Resident Evil and I've been sitting at this desk too long
5. Sincerely think Sasaki's tactic was scummy as all get-out.
6. You guys have never, ever, ever, ever, ever caught me by asking me questions like "how come you didn't give reasons for your vote" etc. Seriously that might work on new players but not me. What am I going to do, confess? I also answered it repeatedly.
7. I was already in kind of a whatever mood and I responded to the pressure by simply going "No." because that's how I was feeling. No, I am not cooperating.
Feel free to lynch me tomorrow or kill me tonight. But my chosen form of defense seemed to convince some of you I wasn't guilty, and yet you were voting me anyway because I was being pissy. That's fine, but like I said that doesn't catch you any scum. That was the last straw because I was just getting mocked, so I left and even unsubscribed. I'm only here because several people asked me to come back.
And my apologies. Just wasn't my day yesterday.
Wow guys, let's see who we've just lynched!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth_%28individual%29
Hoth's act of self-sacrifice saved the Galactic Republic (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic) and ended the Sith as a galactic threat for almost a thousand years.
HMMMM.
Even the saviour of the galactic republic isn't immune to the consequences of being lynched, it seems, though he was probably an initiate in the game.
He wasn't really meta-ing any more than being un-cooperative. My guess is that the only justification for lynching him was becuse he voted for ATPG rather than Beskar, despite saying he hated networks. I'm just musing here, but I think the reason he didn't vote to lynch Beskar is because Beskar is unlynchable, whilst ATPG has a loooooong history at being at the nucleus of such networks.
In short, dumb lynch by people uncomfortable with losing ATPG (Who was coincidentally, both saved by and voted for ACIN's lynch) led to a coup for the anti-town forces.
GOOD JOB TEAM
I'm not sure anyone here has a thought bomb though...end the game with a blast, eh?
A bit like getting a nuke in CoD:MW2. ~D
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 00:58
In short, dumb lynch by people uncomfortable with losing ATPG (Who was coincidentally, both saved by and voted for ACIN's lynch) led to a coup for the anti-town forces.
Basically the same as if I were lynched though. Would have been the exact same coup, just different person dead. I'd make an excellent murder, as I am a full Jedi. Perhaps being murdered will be the one good thing I do all game.
GeneralHankerchief
04-16-2010, 01:08
Ugh, what a disappointing finish. And thus the entrenchment begins. It's going to take an act of God to get Beskar out. :wall:
Ugh, what a disappointing finish. And thus the entrenchment begins. It's going to take an act of God to get Beskar out. :wall:
Let's take you out, you seem convinced on killing known town roles.
GeneralHankerchief
04-16-2010, 01:17
Let's take you out, you seem convinced on killing known town roles.
You've done nothing this game but toot your own horn. I have yet to see anyone else confirm your so-called credentials, whether it be here in the thread or via private message. Be silent about your alleged indispensability until you can actually back it up.
You've done nothing this game but toot your own horn. I have yet to see anyone else confirm your so-called credentials, whether it be here in the thread or via private message. Be silent about your alleged indispensability until you can actually back it up.
Plus he said he can investigate. And I've seen nothing of these investigative abilities proven.
You've done nothing this game but toot your own horn. I have yet to see anyone else confirm your so-called credentials, whether it be here in the thread or via private message. Be silent about your alleged indispensability until you can actually back it up.
Actually, I had plently of people confirm my credentials. Three of them confirming them 100%, one being Mace Windu, Jedi Master, the other Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight, and another claiming the Expedition Leader.
Then again, they are going to reveal to me as they would know my creditials are correct, however, they are not going to reveal to you nor reveal in public. :laugh4: One of them said "I was tempted to step in to defend you, but I would most likely get lynched myself just for defending you", plus the fact, in revealing, the Sith know who to kill.
As others have said, if I was lying, one of the other 4 who will know my story 100% from their own experience, or any investigators would have revealed that I was a Sith.
Stop trying to grasp at straws to fuel your futile witch-hunt. You know you are wrong, you are just doing it intentionally, because you are most likely sith yourself. You are too good of a player to be trying to lynch me if you was a genuine townie, which leaves you either 1) sith 2) metagaming.
Feel free to choose between the two.
Plus he said he can investigate. And I've seen nothing of these investigative abilities proven.
Yes, because it is in the best interest to reveal any innocents or pro-town in a virtual covering them in red paint with a sign saying "kill me" sticking out of them. Don't be stupid.
GeneralHankerchief
04-16-2010, 01:35
So let me get this straight: In an apparently role-light game, there are at least four power-town roles, one of which is at least partially lynch immune? Yessiree, this network is going to be airtight. :laugh4:
Tell me, is the only reason you consider me Sith because I refuse to take part in this doomed endeavor? Because then you'll have to lynch a bunch of other people as well. Feel free to do so if you wish, but then you'll be the one who's wasting the town's time, not me. As for me, I'll sit back and happily watch as your messianic network inevitably gets infiltrated and singlehandedly loses it for the town. Again.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 01:43
So let me get this straight: In an apparently role-light game, there are at least four power-town roles, one of which is at least partially lynch immune? Yessiree, this network is going to be airtight. :laugh4:
^
This one I agree with. Watch your back, Whiskers.
Tell me, is the only reason you consider me Sith because I refuse to take part in this doomed endeavor? Because then you'll have to lynch a bunch of other people as well. Feel free to do so if you wish, but then you'll be the one who's wasting the town's time, not me. As for me, I'll sit back and happily watch as your messianic network inevitably gets infiltrated and singlehandedly loses it for the town. Again.
I'd recommend we ignore and focus on our own activities until Beskar thinks he's got a scumbag and proves it with the lynch. If he doesn't have one, then we do what we usually do.
Diana Abnoba
04-16-2010, 02:27
Well this is a first for me. I put someone out there, just for discussion, to try and get players off the only other 2 players we are fighting about, then hours later there was a banwagon on that player. I don't know, but somehow I feel set up, or is this just MY paranoia setting in. This round has been quite strange to me. Sorry ACIN.
Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight
This is a Sigurd game; that means the mafia have cover roles. This is almost certainly one of them.
Three of them confirming them 100%, one being Mace Windu, Jedi Master, the other Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight, and another claiming the Expedition Leader.
Well, at least we know who the anti-network folks are not.
This was fun to read at first...
the other Anakin Skywalker,
The other one, so who is the first? :laugh4:
atheotes
04-16-2010, 04:19
It would have been 6 if I was on in time, given the candidates.
People are voting pretty predicatably, It simply isn't worth wasting another vote on Beskar, yet at least. ATPG is just a victim of his own talkative nature, nothing more.
I'd rather vote for ACIN than 2 players which are probably pro-town, from what little information we have.
I agree Beskar could be pro-town...but why do you think ATPG could be protown? And why was ACIN a better vote?
This is a Sigurd game; that means the mafia have cover roles. This is almost certainly one of them.
Yes and no. May simply be susceptible to conversion.
All in all, this Beskie business is just a distraction, it's allowing the Sith to sneak on by.
a completely inoffensive name
04-16-2010, 06:22
My life is the perfect example of the recklessness of these "experienced" players being in control every time and once someone doesnt follow their plan, they eliminate them in a quick sweep. Pretty evident how all of a sudden the ATPG bandwagon was completely routed by 5 sudden votes for me. Getting sick of this network dominated by the same players game.
I guess being one of the biggest jedi heros the expanded universe has seen doesnt matter when you openly challenge ATPG, Sasaki and Beskar.
Can somebody please explain to me why exactly ACIN got lynched?
FoS whoever voted ACIN after he had two votes already.
Out of ACIN, Beskar, ATPG and Sasaki, ACIN was the worst choice for a lynch :thumbsdown:
johnhughthom
04-16-2010, 10:13
I guess being one of the biggest jedi heros the expanded universe has seen doesnt matter when you openly challenge ATPG, Sasaki and Beskar.
True Jedi heroes don't metagame.
Kagemusha
04-16-2010, 11:34
Actually, I had plently of people confirm my credentials. Three of them confirming them 100%, one being Mace Windu, Jedi Master, the other Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight, and another claiming the Expedition Leader.
Then again, they are going to reveal to me as they would know my creditials are correct, however, they are not going to reveal to you nor reveal in public. :laugh4: One of them said "I was tempted to step in to defend you, but I would most likely get lynched myself just for defending you", plus the fact, in revealing, the Sith know who to kill.
As others have said, if I was lying, one of the other 4 who will know my story 100% from their own experience, or any investigators would have revealed that I was a Sith.
Stop trying to grasp at straws to fuel your futile witch-hunt. You know you are wrong, you are just doing it intentionally, because you are most likely sith yourself. You are too good of a player to be trying to lynch me if you was a genuine townie, which leaves you either 1) sith 2) metagaming.
Feel free to choose between the two.
Yes, because it is in the best interest to reveal any innocents or pro-town in a virtual covering them in red paint with a sign saying "kill me" sticking out of them. Don't be stupid.
So basically the rest of us can just stop playing and leave it to you. Well i was kind of busy anyway.~;)
Yes and no. May simply be susceptible to conversion.
I certainly believe that, but it's clear this game started with at least 2 Sith. Those people are around here somewhere, and I seriously doubt that they don't have a cover role. If they didn't, in the write-ups it would expose them instantly with a 'Darth' name or some such, and that doesn't seem balanced. No game host reveals the role of a person instantly when they die. So, they're going to have cover roles. The cover role will make sense, we're not going to have Chewbacca being a cover role for Emperor Palpatine. No, we'll have Anakin Skywalker being a cover role for Darth Vader, Count Dooku being a cover role for Darth Tyranus, etc. We've probably got a mix of dark-side covers and potential dark-side recruits, so just seeing a name like that doesn't indicate a Sith. However, it is worth being extremely wary of, as I think they are, at a minimum, potential Sith. We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.
We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.
:yes:
So basically the rest of us can just stop playing and leave it to you. Well i was kind of busy anyway.~;)
Stop trolling. I never even suggested anything of the sort. It means start actually playing Sigurds good game instead of whining and attempting to sidetrack and ruin his game about something that has not even occurred.
We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.
Funnily, that would be too obvious. Converting is a game mechanic, not a fact.
Funnily, that would be too obvious. Converting is a game mechanic, not a fact.
I'll believe it when I hear it from someone whose role didn't end up with the title Darth. If you truly do have a pro-town group working together, I strongly suggest you get a new spokesman. Any information coming exclusively from you (which is, so far, everything) is going to be inherently tainted.
I'll believe it when I hear it from someone whose role didn't end up with the title Darth. If you truly do have a pro-town group working together, I strongly suggest you get a new spokesman. Any information coming exclusively from you (which is, so far, everything) is going to be inherently tainted.
There is no pro-town network working together, it is just a bunch of people in contact with eachother. Also no, it won't be inherently tainted since there is not taint, only a false one you applying, which means you are purposefully shooting yourself in the foot at the benefit of no one.
Also no, it won't be inherently tainted since there is not taint, only a false one you applying, which means you are purposefully shooting yourself in the foot at the benefit of no one.
Your role was one of the main bad guys in the movies, and you've openly admitted it's possible for you to be recruited. How is that not a taint?
There is no pro-town network working together, it is just a bunch of people in contact with eachother.
That is the definition of a network.
That is the definition of a network.
Then everyone here is guilty. :rolleyes: If you spoke to anyone out side of the thread, you are in a network, under that definition.
Your role was one of the main bad guys in the movies, and you've openly admitted it's possible for you to be recruited. How is that not a taint?
Only if I attack some one, this is also the same for Mace Windu too and other roles. Oops. :laugh4:
Ibn-Khaldun
04-16-2010, 13:59
I certainly believe that, but it's clear this game started with at least 2 Sith. Those people are around here somewhere, and I seriously doubt that they don't have a cover role. If they didn't, in the write-ups it would expose them instantly with a 'Darth' name or some such, and that doesn't seem balanced. No game host reveals the role of a person instantly when they die. So, they're going to have cover roles. The cover role will make sense, we're not going to have Chewbacca being a cover role for Emperor Palpatine. No, we'll have Anakin Skywalker being a cover role for Darth Vader, Count Dooku being a cover role for Darth Tyranus, etc. We've probably got a mix of dark-side covers and potential dark-side recruits, so just seeing a name like that doesn't indicate a Sith. However, it is worth being extremely wary of, as I think they are, at a minimum, potential Sith. We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.
Well, my character was never turned to the dark side. Will you trust me then?
My life is the perfect example of the recklessness of these "experienced" players being in control every time and once someone doesnt follow their plan, they eliminate them in a quick sweep. Pretty evident how all of a sudden the ATPG bandwagon was completely routed by 5 sudden votes for me. Getting sick of this network dominated by the same players game.
I guess being one of the biggest jedi heros the expanded universe has seen doesnt matter when you openly challenge ATPG, Sasaki and Beskar.
It had better not continue. But dang ACIN you left yourself open to it in more than one way. Not only what Diana pointed out, but just your whole attitude. You made yourself perfectly clear that you had no interest in actually playing the game but rather only in pursuing personal grudges. Sucky as the bandagon on you was, I personally would have vigged you for that attitude, if I could have.
I certainly believe that, but it's clear this game started with at least 2 Sith. Those people are around here somewhere, and I seriously doubt that they don't have a cover role. If they didn't, in the write-ups it would expose them instantly with a 'Darth' name or some such, and that doesn't seem balanced. No game host reveals the role of a person instantly when they die. So, they're going to have cover roles. The cover role will make sense, we're not going to have Chewbacca being a cover role for Emperor Palpatine. No, we'll have Anakin Skywalker being a cover role for Darth Vader, Count Dooku being a cover role for Darth Tyranus, etc. We've probably got a mix of dark-side covers and potential dark-side recruits, so just seeing a name like that doesn't indicate a Sith. However, it is worth being extremely wary of, as I think they are, at a minimum, potential Sith. We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.
Two people have so far stated the "kill and you become susceptible to the dark side" thing, that I know of personally. One is Beskar, with a "bad" name. The other claims a "good" name.
I'm tending to think that this information is accurate. Possibly some players are *more* susceptible than others, but that's just speculation.
Only if I attack some one, this is also the same for Mace Windu too and other roles. Oops. :laugh4:
I believe the pressing concern should not be whether you are already tainted or not, but rather that you admittedly have the option to effectively choose to become tainted, should you wish. If this game goes badly and you had the option to switch sides, would you pass on the opportunity? Naturally you would say now that you would never fall to the dark side, but how far can we truly trust that?
I am inclined to believe what you have said so far. That does not mean that I would trust you with any sensitive information. You are simply a risk. That might be more or less true for everyone as far as we know, definitely if we are to take your words for it. But everyone else being unknown as well doesn't really imply that you are to be trusted any further...
Two people have so far stated the "kill and you become susceptible to the dark side" thing, that I know of personally. One is Beskar, with a "bad" name. The other claims a "good" name.
I'm tending to think that this information is accurate. Possibly some players are *more* susceptible than others, but that's just speculation.
I believe it's accurate as well, because it makes sense. However, we have no way of knowing who has killed and who hasn't. Someone could easily vig and then deny it. So, it is important that there not be a single mouthpiece for this proto-network that Beskar is setting up because a single voice will never be fully trusted. Beskar may not like me being the bearer of bad news, but don't blame the messenger. Since he is a potential Sith, he cannot expect his word alone to be good enough for the town, particularly when it comes to his own night actions. He has to be backed by others or he has to get used to being grilled on a daily basis.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-16-2010, 14:27
I think it's pretty easy to tell whether Beskar(or othe Jedi Masters) have turned to the dark side. If we see a vig kill in the write up then that's it. Then Beskar should be send to the space and this time we will not allow him back in. I think once he turns to the dark side he looses his power that helped him in the first time. It would be just weird to have a Sith who we can't lynch!
Also, to all the Siths out there!
I challenge you. If you dare then attack me during this night phase. A lightsaber duel to the death! You probably will not attack since we all know that Siths are cowards!
atheotes
04-16-2010, 14:29
Agree with TC...Beskar should take into account how many people are suspicious of him. It will continue to be the case if he is lone mouthpiece. If he really wished to do some good to the town he will have to find another way.
I'm not sure we'd be able to distinguish a vig kill from a Sith kill with complete reliability, nor distinguish one potential Sith wanna-be from another.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-16-2010, 14:35
I'm not sure we'd be able to distinguish a vig kill from a Sith kill with complete reliability, nor distinguish one potential Sith wanna-be from another.
Sith have a red lightsaber while a vigilante will have lightsaber with another color.
Like Renata said, how would we know which vigilante to throw into space? And how much damage can they do before that, with all the information entrusted to them? If any, that is, which I hope will be the case. But if our illustrious expedition leader has already revealed to Beskar as he claims, that line seems to have been crossed already.
Like Renata said, how would we know which vigilante to throw into space? And how much damage can they do before that, with all the information entrusted to them? If any, that is, which I hope will be the case. But if our illustrious expedition leader has already revealed to Beskar as he claims, that line seems to have been crossed already.
Well, I doubt our expedition leader can be killed anytime soon anyway.
Also, there are currently two attacks per night, and they have trade-marks. Anyone vig-attacks will be obvious from the write-up. In that same vein, it is pretty obviously I won't be betraying the town, I am in the spotlight. Plus, I would have killed GeneralHankerchief already.
I reiterate that even though a vig attack would be obvious, the identity of the vigilante might not be. You claim you are not the only one with such abilities, so how would we know who to kick out the air-lock? You "obviously" wouldn't betray town since you have the spotlight on you - nice WIFOM there, should it ever happen.
Vigilantes can also kill with the force, though apparently different ones may be able to or have to kill by different means. But as far as that goes, we don't know whether the force-killer we currently observe is limited to the means he has so far exhibited, and we don't know for sure what color his light saber is.
(Actually scratch that last bit. If the yellow eyes weren't enough, then the kills have still been consistent both nights, and on night zero I don't think any townies had abilities yet, so the guy almost has to be Sith. But the rest stands.)
I reiterate that even though a vig attack would be obvious, the identity of the vigilante might not be. You claim you are not the only one with such abilities, so how would we know who to kick out the air-lock? You "obviously" wouldn't betray town since you have the spotlight on you - nice WIFOM there, should it ever happen.
Not really an WIFOM. I would be instantly investigated or voted against. There is really no point in me doing it, people only go in a situation where they can be converted when a situation is favourable for that to occur.
Not really an WIFOM. I would be instantly investigated or voted against. There is really no point in me doing it, people only go in a situation where they can be converted when a situation is favourable for that to occur.
... which I accept that there currently isn't - with a strong emphasis on "currently". Again, I believe you so far. I just don't think it sensible to extrapolate from believing you into trusting you.
Like Joooray in Shadow Fort? :D
Kagemusha
04-16-2010, 15:07
Stop trolling. I never even suggested anything of the sort. It means start actually playing Sigurds good game instead of whining and attempting to sidetrack and ruin his game about something that has not even occurred.
Why are you so hostile.Cant you see the smilie after the sentence?
We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.
But are these not just names to characters and not necessarily following the canon?
I had to Wookieepedia my own character because I had no idea who I was, and it appears that the only things consistent between my Role PM and the canon is my name and awful haircut.
But are these not just names to characters and not necessarily following the canon?
This is a theme game, so my base assumption is that the theme has meaning. According to Beskar, the following roles are claimed as power roles: Count Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, and Mace Windu, with the name of the leader undisclosed, but likely Yoda. That list indicates that Sigurd is specifically using major characters from the movies as the main roles, which indicates that they are not randomly chosen. Roles that are not from the movies, such as Hoth and X2, may well be random without much correllation to their canon history, but that does not appear to be the case with the power roles. If it is true with the power roles, it is probably true for the mafia.
seireikhaan
04-16-2010, 16:15
Ugh, what a disappointing finish. And thus the entrenchment begins. It's going to take an act of God to get Beskar out. :wall:
You called? ~D
Also, I am committed to Beskar's death. The longer he lives in this game, the longer my mind suffers the agony of a thousand nails scraping against my sanity.
Then everyone here is guilty. :rolleyes: If you spoke to anyone out side of the thread, you are in a network, under that definition.
Not at all, the majority of people in networks are probably innocent, not guilty, the main concern with them being only one evil force needs to infiltrate it to ruin the whole game.
I agree Beskar could be pro-town...but why do you think ATPG could be protown? And why was ACIN a better vote?
Well perhaps not ATPG, but he isn't acting strangely, given how eager he was to argue and speak his mind, he clearly doesn't have enough regard for his life as say a mafia would. I agree ACIN would have been a poor choice, but still a better one than Beskar and ATPG at this moment in time.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 17:14
Sith have a red lightsaber while a vigilante will have lightsaber with another color.
You assume too much.
Anakin Skywalker, in his fall from grace, murdered thousands of Jedi with a blue lightsaber. Sith often, but not always, use red.
That said I will be extremely prejudiced against anyone with a red lightsaber.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 17:21
This is a theme game, so my base assumption is that the theme has meaning. According to Beskar, the following roles are claimed as power roles: Count Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, and Mace Windu, with the name of the leader undisclosed, but likely Yoda. That list indicates that Sigurd is specifically using major characters from the movies as the main roles, which indicates that they are not randomly chosen. Roles that are not from the movies, such as Hoth and X2, may well be random without much correllation to their canon history, but that does not appear to be the case with the power roles. If it is true with the power roles, it is probably true for the mafia.
I won't discount that possibility, but although this is based on Star Wars, to be fair the original mafia could/should be anyone among us. Kind of like in my Simpsons-themed games where Ned Flanders wasn't actually Ned Flanders, but Kang and Kodos in a clever disguise. The only way to fairly hide mafia is to place them as truly randomly as possible. Here, Master Windu could be Darth Maul in disguise, with some lame excuse for why one looks like the other, such as plastic surgery, or force manipulation of some kind.
Until I see a pattern where obvious Sith is obvious, I'm going to assume it is probably random.
You assume too much.
Anakin Skywalker, in his fall from grace, murdered thousands of Jedi with a blue lightsaber. Sith often, but not always, use red.
That said I will be extremely prejudiced against anyone with a red lightsaber.
But do Jedi ever use red?
Until I see a pattern where obvious Sith is obvious, I'm going to assume it is probably random.
So you're saying that we shouldn't be concerned if someone is revealed to be, say, Palpatine?
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 17:37
But do Jedi ever use red?
In the KOTOR game I played on the computer, I could be a light-sided Jedi with a red saber. Since that's official Star Wars merchandise, that means it is also canonical information. Light-sided Jedi can possibly use a red saber.
But like I said, I'm quite doubtful. Anyone with a red lightsaber should probably confess right now. There's no reason for a light-sider to conceal this fact from us.
So you're saying that we shouldn't be concerned if someone is revealed to be, say, Palpatine?
You present a forceful rebuttal, if you pardon the pun. I can't imagine Sigurd would make Palpatine into a light-side Jedi. Point taken.
I'd much more expect cover roles myself, largely because Sigurd clearly has a lot of respect for the source material. I wouldn't expect him to turn Yoda into the head sith or Palpatine into the expedition leader. But Palpatine disguised as someone with a spotless history is a possibility, why not? Any given grayish character like Dooku being town to begin with would also make sense.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-16-2010, 18:21
Well, I know the color of my lightsaber:
Image removed.
And btw, any Sith reading this. The challenge is still up. Face me in a lightsaber duel if you have the guts!
Plo Koon?
Plo Koon actually seems to appear more often with a blue lightsaber than the yellow one, since in the movies there is only blue, green, red and a single purple saber.
Plo Koon actually seems to appear more often with a blue lightsaber than the yellow one, since in the movies there is only blue, green, red and a single purple saber.
In the Star Wars canon, my character wielded two yellow-hued lightsabers up until his death; one of them was buried with him, the other was given to his former pupil... Plo Koon.
In the Star Wars canon, my character wielded two yellow-hued lightsabers up until his death; one of them was buried with him, the other was given to his former pupil... Plo Koon.
Don't be fooled into thinking Star Wars Canon is consistent. :laugh4:
Having read or played most of the expanded universe stuff, I have come to realize that continuity in Star Wars is not something that happens frequently. As such, Jedi change their lightsaber colors as often as people change toothbrushes.
Why are you so eager to reveal who you are, Secura?
Well, I know the color of my lightsaber
Nice WIFOM:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberblue2.png
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberyellow.png
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/greenlightsaber3.png
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberpurple.png
Ibn-Khaldun
04-16-2010, 19:20
No, I'm not Plo Koon. Though, now that I checked him in Wookieepedia I wish I could be.
I'm Zabrak Jedi Master.
No, I'm not Plo Koon. Though, now that I checked him in Wookieepedia I wish I could be.
I'm Zabrak Jedi Master.
That doesn't jive with the yellow saber you showed. :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-16-2010, 19:26
Why are people role claiming???
Nice WIFOM
I take it this means Sigurd's Photobucket isn't private, then? That's not so good, means any lightsaber claims have to be taken with a pinch of salt; is that why you did this?
It's unlikely you would have gotten all those pictures in your Role PM after all.
I also noticed you didn't post a picture of a red-hued lightsaber, by the way; does this mean there wasn't one?
Why are people role claiming???
Goodness we agree on something.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 19:34
At no one in particular: I really think it is probably inappropriate to grab images from his photobucket, as that reveals information we have no right to be privy to.
Sure, it's just lightsabers here, ones we would assume were in the game. But what if I took an image of something else and used my knowledge of certain characters being in the game to narrow down who is who?
I take it this means Sigurd's Photobucket isn't private, then? That's not so good, means any lightsaber claims have to be taken with a pinch of salt; is that why you did this?
It's private, but it's still vulnerable to educated guessing based on file names. I did the same thing in Midgard II to help me fake a God role PM by using images that appeared in god roles. I posted all of these to show how easy it is and to head off any further attempts at anyone claiming 'innocence' by posting an easily obtained image.
I also noticed you didn't post a picture of a red-hued lightsaber, by the way; does this mean there wasn't one?
No, it just means I haven't found it yet.
Bad idea in doing that TinCow, really bad idea.
When some one wanted proof of mine, I at least renamed it and reloaded it up imageshack, so then I would know if they tried to use it.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 19:45
I'm uneasy about the file name guessing, because it is probably directly related to the names of characters, obtained from Wookieepedia.
When in doubt, I'd avoid it. But I see the purpose of your demonstration, TinCow. I won't regard images as proof of anything.
Bad idea in doing that TinCow, really bad idea.
When some one wanted proof of mine, I at least renamed it and reloaded it up imageshack, so then I would know if they tried to use it.
More proof that you are not a pro-town voice to listen to. People are using those as proof of innocence, and that needs to stop. I posted those so that people cannot do what Ibn just did.
It raised you in my estimation (in purely in-game terms), to be honest.
No, I'm not Plo Koon. Though, now that I checked him in Wookieepedia I wish I could be.
I'm Zabrak Jedi Master.
Um, Zabraks are a species of alien. And who is the most famous member of that species?
https://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4480/maulsnarl5787580.jpg
Uh oh.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-16-2010, 21:01
Um.. And when was he a Jedi Master?
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 21:13
Maul? I don't think he was ever. He was always Sith.
But that does not mean Zabraks are all evil. In KOTOR II, your mechanic Bao-dur can become a Jedi or a Sith or remain neutral, and he is a Zabrak.
http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotorii/npcs/images/bao-dur.jpg (so as to not hotlink)
And in Jedi Academy, your Jaden Korr could be a Zabrak if you so chose.
atheotes
04-16-2010, 21:27
Lets just not decide anything based on the character name then.
The more known Zabrak Jedi Masters are Eeth Koth (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eeth_Koth) and Agen Kolar (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agen_Kolar).
Nice WIFOM:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberblue2.png
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberyellow.png
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/greenlightsaber3.png
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/lightsaberpurple.png
Four lightsabers?
Guys, I think I just discovered General Grievous... ~;)
30 minutes left and I have only received one order.
30 minutes left and I have only received one order.
I'm the only one who bothered? :uhoh:
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 22:32
Meh, probably it was Beskar.
If that's the case there should be no murders tonight. Sweet.
atheotes
04-16-2010, 22:49
30 minutes left and I have only received one order.
no extensions please :anxious:
Meh, probably it was Beskar.
If that's the case there should be no murders tonight. Sweet.
That is actually true. :laugh4:
Edit: Shame I can't change my order though, came back too late.
Round 3
Day
The search of the Star Destroyer had been down-prioritized. They had to get the power plant up and running. If they could get this monstrosity moving, They could continue the search while in flight. The expedition leader stood behind a couple of Jedi Knights who worked at the power plant operator’s board. The mini sun grew in strength as it fed on the stored hypermatter.
The expedition leader leaned forward and said: “Let’s power up some of the top decks and see how the mini sun reacts to being used as a power source.” The Jedi knights at the operator’s board pressed a few of the buttons and pulled one of the levers slowly upwards. “Careful, Knight… these are old circuits you are giving life.” The rector hummed as it responded by drawing more fuel from the fuel tanks. A few of the power generators started to whine as turbines turned and gained speed. The turbine sound intensified and the generators were soon nearing full output. It looked as if they were Ok…. Then suddenly one of them started to make an awful racket. The expedition leader cried: “Stop them, before they destroy something.” The Jedi Knight pressed the emergency stop buttons on all of the generators and the generators stopped.
“We’ll have to do some heavy maintenance on the power system before we can power the generators up again, and we need power to be able to steer this monster through space.”
The expedition leader walked back and forward behind the knights. “I don’t like this at all. We need to power up the bridge and we need better fuel to get this back to Coruscant. And we have someone killing off the crew while we sit here dead in space. I will look the fool at the Jedi Council if I can’t handle this without getting reinforcements.”
Before the expedition leader left the power plant operator room, he announced: “Get to it Knights, all of those generators need overhaul – and you need to check the power grid all the way up to the bridge. I want this ship on the move as soon as possible.”
The expedition party worked their backs off to get the generators up and running, but they were so ancient and full of structural damage that it would take many days to replace the bad parts with not too bad parts from the storage areas.
The entire day went and the Jedi was exhausted and returned to their cabins for some R&R.
The Padawan known as Barriss Offee had trouble finding the peace to rest this night. Thoughts of the recent murders troubled her greatly, and meditation only helped so far. To clear her head she decided to leave her cabin and take a walk through the corridors surrounding the living quarters. The thought of potentially seeing or even intervening with another murder was only semi-consciously formed in the back of her head, but her stride carried the confidence of one who knows her strength. She turned a corner into a dimly lit corridor and saw a cloaked figure quickly disappearing through a doorway up ahead. Barriss Offee was first startled and her heart beat fast, but she overcame the initial fright and walked carefully up to the door and, wary of a trap, slowly peered into the small storage area beyond. The person wrapped in the long dark cloak stood in the center of the room, just a few short paces away, waiting in silence, amber eyes glowing fiercly. Barriss Offee tried to call out for help , yet as she tried she could only manage a weak "Whhhhhh-h-h-h...". She felt her world spinning, centered around the arm stretched towards her, falling rapidly into the infinite black hole within those baleful glowing eyes. Her mind never registered when her knees hit the floor as her legs gave beneath her. By the time her forehead connected with the cold metal floor tiles she was already dead and gone, her very essence drained completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doc_PhIHFno
The Jedi Knight known as Eeth Koth did not return to his quarters right away. He was on the outlook for the intruders. He would catch them and be promoted to Master. Yes, that was the least the expedition leader could do. As a representative of the Jedi council he had the authority to appoint new Jedi Masters. Now, if he only could be so lucky to stumble over …
At the end of this hallway stood a cloaked figure with a red glowing lightsaber in hand. The hallway was fractionally damp and the plasma blade were sizzling. Eeth Koth drew his own lightsaber and an amber colored blade sprang to life with a roar.
“Let’s do this murderer!!” he called out to the cloaked figure. The cloaked figure never replied, but sprang into action with twirls and parade signatures that showed that he was indeed a Master wielder. This was the chance. If he could beat this Master, he would be promoted for sure.
Eeth Koth took his Knight stance and waited. The figure leaped at him with an overhand slash. Eeth blocked the initial swing and continued blocking the fast follow up combinations of the cloaked figure. They continued like this, back and forth, attacks and blocks. Eeth Koth felt his strength draining. He needed to end this before he would make mistakes because of fatigue. He attacked with new fury and the cloaked figure went on the defense for a while. The cloaked figure blocked everything Eeth Koth could throw at him. The cloaked figure finally cackled: “ha ha ha… you think you can best me Knight? I thank you for giving me a little exercise.” And by that he made a combination that Eeth Koth had never seen before. It resulted in the crimson blade piercing his heart. Darkness came fast and there was no strength in him as he slumped to the floor.
Somewhere else 2 other members of the Jedi expedition force were also meditating.
They had started their usual routine, but were suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into their very being. They heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions they received. The directions led to a special storage area.
When the crew again met at the auditorium the next morning, there were only 33 present. The expedition leader sighed: “We have apparently not been successful in finding out who these intruders are. I assume those we are missing are lost to us.” He sent out a couple of Knights to check their cabins and when they returned, they just shook their heads.
“Very well, let’s proceed with the interrogations people… oh and before I go, we lost a Padawan and a Knigh last night.
I have decided to award the rank of Padawan to Den Siva. Congratulations!!
The rank of Knight will be awarded Kyp Durron. Congratulations to you too!!”
And then he went out brooding.
Lynched:
a completely innocent name
Killed:
Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Alive:
A Very Super Market
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Belisarius II
Beskar
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Methos
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
TheFlax
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Voting ends at 00:00 GMT+1 Sunday 18th of April (it is now 01:30 GMT+1 which makes it less then 24 hours.Go, go, go!!!
It's frustrating being a simple vanilla townie in this game. I have little idea of what is going on and have to read through a wall of text mostly about whether to trust Beskar or not. No fun. :juggle2:
Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I won't be able to participate in the next two days (not that I have much so far), because as said elsewhere, I will be gone from tomorrow (Saturday) until Monday morning. Hope that won't get me WoG'ed at some point as I already missed last day phase. :embarassed:
I will be honest, FoS anyone who was online after Sigurd's message.
If Sigurd was correct about the one order, then that would have been my own.
On the plus side, I have an idea who are not Sith as some people weren't online. :beam:
https://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8949/1256971336343.jpg
I will be honest, FoS anyone who was online after Sigurd's message.
Don't think Sigurd will make it that easy for you.
Anyway two things I noticed:
Somewhere else 2 other members of the Jedi expedition force were also meditating.
They had started their usual routine, but were suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into their very being. They heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions they received. The directions led to a special storage area.
This supports a thought I had about the other write-ups as well. It seems we have to weary about another possible threat as there might be some other presence that will influence some people among us in the future. It will just take so long for those two Jedis to give into the force that calls them, I think.
Also this (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090128195734/starwars/images/6/69/KypLeviathan.jpg) seems to support that also light sided Jedis can use the red lightsaber as this seems to be from the time Kyp Durron wasn't under the influence of Exar Kun yet. :shrug:
Admittedly +1 to Sith having sense of humour and actually duelling Ibn in a light-saber battle.
Anyway, I got 12 people who were not online at the time who are alive. I got 9 people confirmed to be online past the message. The rest are hidden users and only a mod could read those.
Those nine are:
TheFlax
Jolt
Thermal Mercury
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Andres
AVSM
Balisarius II
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 00:59
I was planning on Voting TheFlax today. Pizza should be the rightful lynch but that just seems like an argument waiting to happen.
Vote:TheFlax
Why did you vote ACIN?
Double checked through the counts, there were one or two I missed out. If Sigurd is correct, then I got a list of 12 innocent people. I listed 9 people who were online after Sigurd's message definitely and 14 unknown.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 01:10
How do you know they are innocent though? Usually one mafia can submit two orders.
Not usually the case in my experience. However, the list of 9 can point us into a decent direction based on any other information we know about them, to either support or contradict their innocent, but those 9 are on my "suspected scum" untill further information is obtained. The ones I am uncertain about are listed as "unknowns", the ones who weren't online at all, are listed as "less likely than others to be scum" list.
Hrmm... it's hard to draw conclusions based on online/offline/invisible during that 30 minute period. If there's any evidence to be had from the lack of orders thing, I think it points more towards innocence for people who were posting a great deal over the previous 24 hours. For example, I do not think Secura or Renata would have failed to get in orders until so late given their activity levels.
Yeah, that's most probably a flaw. And hidden users complicate the other list. Since I hate this sort of stuff, I'm just as happy about that.
TinCow, on the other hand, is absolutely correct. :D
Also Sigurd said "I only received one order". If he is correct in this statement, then the order he had was mine.
Also, TinCow's comment was food to thought, as some users are more likely than others to get their messages in on time, but the examples of "Secura and Renata" don't really work well with the list, as they were either on invisible or were offline at the time.
Reason I didn't reveal hidden users as this would expose the users who weren't around for certain, which could result in the Sith killing them off.
Centurion1
04-17-2010, 01:53
Ok im here no one panic!!!!!!
22 pages of text, really yall, that much that soon.
golly, just golly.
a completely inoffensive name
04-17-2010, 02:29
It had better not continue. But dang ACIN you left yourself open to it in more than one way. Not only what Diana pointed out, but just your whole attitude. You made yourself perfectly clear that you had no interest in actually playing the game but rather only in pursuing personal grudges. Sucky as the bandagon on you was, I personally would have vigged you for that attitude, if I could have.
It was not based upon a personal grudge, it was based upon the fact that always the same people always seem to stick around in the mafia games with one of them (changing every game) being the last mafioso to kill. Their experience has reached a point where it has become overwhelming at times if they get into a position of leadership and 99% of the time in a mafia game, the leadership are those who have formed their own network, which favors the experienced. Saying that my attitude caused my death, just shows how ridiculous your sentiment of "I would have vigged you anyway just for that attitude." is, because any real mafia person would never put themselves out as a target like that and anyone who has played more then 3 games would recognize that immediately.
Btw, saying that you would have vigged me because you dont like my attitude is not playing the game either but acting on your own personal prejudice as well. If I was going for personal prejudice, I would be taking down Pevergreen in every game for tricking me into saying mutiny on the pirate mafia game causing me to to be killed by a triggered killer the very last night of the game.
a completely inoffensive name
04-17-2010, 02:31
Well perhaps not ATPG, but he isn't acting strangely, given how eager he was to argue and speak his mind, he clearly doesn't have enough regard for his life as say a mafia would. I agree ACIN would have been a poor choice, but still a better one than Beskar and ATPG at this moment in time.
FoS dont hide your purposeful redirect by taking an attitude of uncertainty.
a completely inoffensive name
04-17-2010, 02:32
I was planning on Voting TheFlax today. Pizza should be the rightful lynch but that just seems like an argument waiting to happen.
Vote:TheFlax
Why did you vote ACIN?
Network.
Just to avoid the WoG, I'll follow Sasaki's pressure vote. Vote: TheFlax.
pevergreen
04-17-2010, 03:03
Btw, saying that you would have vigged me because you dont like my attitude is not playing the game either but acting on your own personal prejudice as well. If I was going for personal prejudice, I would be taking down Pevergreen in every game for tricking me into saying mutiny on the pirate mafia game causing me to to be killed by a triggered killer the very last night of the game.
I still don't believe you forgot that I told you how he was triggered. :laugh4:
Vote: Beskar
My spidey sense is tingling.
Ok. I'll leave Beskie alone today. I wonder how much we should read into the write-ups. The yellow eye stuff would indicate Papatine, he has yellow eyes as a Sith.
Beskie could be the lightsaber Sith, as Dooku is, apart from Windu and Yoda, the best swordsman in the galaxy. So the "moves he'd never seen before", could indicate Dooku.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 03:32
Admittedly +1 to Sith having sense of humour and actually duelling Ibn in a light-saber battle.
Anyway, I got 12 people who were not online at the time who are alive. I got 9 people confirmed to be online past the message. The rest are hidden users and only a mod could read those.
Those nine are:
TheFlax
Jolt
Thermal Mercury
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Andres
AVSM
Balisarius II
GeneralHankerchief
Sure, because I waited all phase, clearly active and sitting here twiddling my thumbs, to send in my night kill orders, on the off-chance that Sigurd would publicly remind people to send in their kills, because that might give me an alibi.
If you think I'd forget to send in orders to kill things after that previous round, you... are... insane.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 03:37
That wifom is kind of pointless, because not sending in kills if everyone knows you are active is a decent tactic.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 03:40
Still relies on Sigurd, the neutral host, taking the initiative to point out to everyone publicly (with a wink and a nod) that there's 30 mins left and no orders, when I'm clearly sitting right there. But I don't want to get into another crazy argument about what I would or wouldn't do, when here it isn't even under my control.
Belisarius II
04-17-2010, 03:48
If you think I'd forget to send in orders to kill things after that previous round, you... are... insane.
Or are you trying to put all the blame on Beskar to cover your tracks?
Vote: Pizza
Prove me wrong.
Beskie could be the lightsaber Sith, as Dooku is, apart from Windu and Yoda, the best swordsman in the galaxy. So the "moves he'd never seen before", could indicate Dooku.
My lightsaber is blue. So if you see a blue lightsaber, then you could actually accuse me with that argument.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 03:55
Or are you trying to put all the blame on Beskar to cover your tracks?
No.... because Beskie is one of those folks with other night actions, I believe. The not-murder kind. So he claims, and I tend to believe it given the lynchproof-ness of his role.
Vote: Pizza
Woot.
Prove me wrong.
Prove what wrong? By what means could I do so? There's no defense against vague and unsubstantiated suspicion.
Still relies on Sigurd, the neutral host, taking the initiative to point out to everyone publicly (with a wink and a nod) that there's 30 mins left and no orders, when I'm clearly sitting right there. But I don't want to get into another crazy argument about what I would or wouldn't do, when here it isn't even under my control.
In ATPG's defense, this comment is entirely valid. There's simply no way any mafioso could have anticipated Sigurd making that post. Without Sigurd making that post, there would be no advantage to intentionally holding back on orders. If there was no advantage to intentionally holding back on orders, then it was not done intentionally. ATPG would have submitted orders, he's not that kind of player.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 04:35
That's true...without sigurd's comment there would have been no kills, which could have pointed at inactive players, and been a decent strategy for an active one. But if you're going for that, sending in kills after sigurd makes a comment doesn't seem like a mafia strategy.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 04:39
This is making the Flax an even better lynch, we should look at Belisarius II as well.
That's true...without sigurd's comment there would have been no kills, which could have pointed at inactive players, and been a decent strategy for an active one. But if you're going for that, sending in kills after sigurd makes a comment doesn't seem like a mafia strategy.
Which is why my list has some creditabilty. There are 12 people who couldn't have posted/sent a pm after Sigurd's message (others were invisible so couldn't tell) so these 12 are pretty much cleared in my opinion, but since people can turn, won't obviously be the best buds with them all game, but for now, yes.
This is making the Flax an even better lynch, we should look at Belisarius II as well.
Why did you vote TheFlax?
Ok. I'll leave Beskie alone today. I wonder how much we should read into the write-ups. The yellow eye stuff would indicate Papatine, he has yellow eyes as a Sith.
Beskie could be the lightsaber Sith, as Dooku is, apart from Windu and Yoda, the best swordsman in the galaxy. So the "moves he'd never seen before", could indicate Dooku.
Yellow eyes can also indicate Anakin/Vader before he puts on the mask, I believe. I would agree that, given the write-up, the lightsaber killer is at the very least impersonating a Jedi Master.
I would encourage Beskar to look into investigating whoever claimed the Anakin Skywalker role.
Vote: Joooray
Shameless bandwagoning. I will be more active tomorrow.
Yellow eyes can also indicate Anakin/Vader before he puts on the mask, I believe.
Hmmm. Yes and no.
My lightsaber is blue. So if you see a blue lightsaber, then you could actually accuse me with that argument.
I'm just pointing it out Dooku. No need to get tetchy.
atheotes
04-17-2010, 07:11
Well perhaps not ATPG, but he isn't acting strangely, given how eager he was to argue and speak his mind, he clearly doesn't have enough regard for his life as say a mafia would. I agree ACIN would have been a poor choice, but still a better one than Beskar and ATPG at this moment in time.
still you dont explain why ACIN was a better lynch. The way i see it ATPG did not beg to stop the lynch but that doesnt mean he was ready to throw his life...
I'm the only one who bothered? :uhoh:
why the unnecessary WIFOM?
Vote: Thermal Mercury.
GeneralHankerchief
04-17-2010, 07:19
I am tired and... tired. Will continue our dance tomorrow.
Vote: Beskar
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 07:57
I have felt the force speak to me, and it has told me that Generalhankerchief is scum.
Vote: Generalhankerchief
GH should be lynched.
Oh I'm tempted.
Yellow eyes can also indicate Anakin/Vader before he puts on the mask, I believe. I would agree that, given the write-up, the lightsaber killer is at the very least impersonating a Jedi Master.
Maul has yellow eyes, too, as does, IIRC, Grevious, and a few random Expanded Universe guys.
Diana Abnoba
04-17-2010, 09:47
Vote: Lord Winter for now. Have we heard from him at all during this game? Come out, come out where ever you are. :laugh4:
Maul has yellow eyes, too, as does, IIRC, Grevious, and a few random Expanded Universe guys.
It's a sign that they're either bad guys or jaundiced :yes:
Vote:AVSM
Only you can prevent lurking
I sent you a PM Subotan. :brood:
Csargo's death is the first since Husar's that makes me curious. There were three people present besides him and me when he unaccountably revealed something about his role yesterday. Are we the only ones he's revealed that to? Were there more? Or was it his behavior in yesterday's thread that triggered the kill?
Those present, for the data: Csargo, me, Niklas, Secura, Beskar. (And before the anti TIN people get their panties in a twist, as far as I know Beskar was just grabbing everybody who happened to log on at the time.)
Thermal Mercury's been pinging me, but I see no need for a second vote on him right now when I won't be around to fight it out. So I'll default to
vote: Sasaki.
autolycus
04-17-2010, 12:42
Admittedly +1 to Sith having sense of humour and actually duelling Ibn in a light-saber battle.
Anyway, I got 12 people who were not online at the time who are alive. I got 9 people confirmed to be online past the message. The rest are hidden users and only a mod could read those.
Those nine are:
TheFlax
Jolt
Thermal Mercury
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Andres
AVSM
Balisarius II
GeneralHankerchief
This list does seem like a reasonable starting point for looking for Sith. I'm going to vote:Jolt, because I don't think we've heard much from him in addition.
autolycus
04-17-2010, 12:46
On second thought, let's make that unvote; vote: atheotes.
I sent you a PM Subotan. :brood:
Oh sorry, Haiku Mafia and IRL distracted me.
atheotes
04-17-2010, 12:54
On second thought, let's make that unvote; vote: atheotes.
Have a reason?
Well i will be gone for the rest of the day...so cant answer any accusations anyway. I am not scum. But i cant help if i get lynched today. :bow:
Votes are spread too thin to do much good at the moment, we need to up the pressure on a couple suspects. On consideration, Beskar's 'List of Nine' is a good starting point.
Vote: TheFlax
Congrats, you've now got three votes. What do you have to say for yourself?
Thanks Subotan!
Beskar you've been a very, very, bad, bad boy. Shame on you.
Beskar you've been a very, very, bad, bad boy. Shame on you.
We'll need an explanation for this.
Nothing too important. He dragged someone else's (Subotan's) name into a shameless fishing expedition, looks like.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-17-2010, 14:14
Admittedly +1 to Sith having sense of humour and actually duelling Ibn in a light-saber battle.
Anyway, I got 12 people who were not online at the time who are alive. I got 9 people confirmed to be online past the message. The rest are hidden users and only a mod could read those.
Those nine are:
TheFlax
Jolt
Thermal Mercury
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Andres
AVSM
Balisarius II
GeneralHankerchief
First, what a write up Sigurd. And you made a video clip as well!! I am honored! :bow:
I'm actually surprised that Sith attacked me because I thought they will be a bit more careful. I mean,. I could've had a special ability preventing night kill or something similar. From out of these people I would choose Jolt.
Anyway, I think it's clear now who I was. I thought that since Eeth Koth was more like a fighter than diplomat then his death in a duel would be more fitting than dying in a dark corner stabbed to back.
It would be weird if the one who killed be was General Grievous. :beam:
Also Sigurd said "I only received one order". If he is correct in this statement, then the order he had was mine.
Also, TinCow's comment was food to thought, as some users are more likely than others to get their messages in on time, but the examples of "Secura and Renata" don't really work well with the list, as they were either on invisible or were offline at the time.
Reason I didn't reveal hidden users as this would expose the users who weren't around for certain, which could result in the Sith killing them off.
Can anyone else confirm if they sent an order in before that time? :juggle:
@ Atheotes:
Despite what ACIN said about me taking an attitude of uncertainty I stick by what I said, that all 3 were bad choices, but voting for Beskar again would probably waste us even more time, as for ATPG, i said he was acting as I'd expect him too, already under the spotlight, I had no reason to think ACIN was anymore innocent that the people that everyone was typically voting for. Besides I didn't even vote that round, why don't you ask these questions to about the 7 people who actually committed there vote to him?
I was just messing around with the WIFOM, jesus, I'll just hide in a shell and you can tell me when I can come out without the superstition...
As for this list:
TheFlax
Jolt
Thermal Mercury
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Andres
AVSM
Balisarius II
GeneralHankerchief
I think it isn't much use at all, I'm not just saying this because I'm on it, but this doesn't account for invisible players (and there are lots of invisible players), players who are playing tricks (someone even could of asked Sigurd to say he only got one order) your reading into this far too much. I have my activity visable because I don't have anything to hide, unlike some of the mafia players here. :juggle:
Vote: Joooray
Shameless bandwagoning. I will be more active tomorrow.
What bandwagon, did I miss it? I saw no wagon on jooray... :inquisitive:
Diamondeye
04-17-2010, 14:42
In the KOTOR game I played on the computer, I could be a light-sided Jedi with a red saber. Since that's official Star Wars merchandise, that means it is also canonical information. Light-sided Jedi can possibly use a red saber.
I believe the first-night saber kill makes this theory invalid - I remember reading that the one being attacked was not aware of the possiblity of 'red' saber hues, which means that the innocents shouldn't have access to them.
Also, apologies for the inactivity, Sigurd and everyone else :bow:
vote: Balisarius
List of nine and an odd post...
Those present, for the data: Csargo, me, Niklas, Secura, Beskar. (And before the anti TIN people get their panties in a twist, as far as I know Beskar was just grabbing everybody who happened to log on at the time.)
So Csargo decided to give out some information and Beskar just grabbed anyone online? :inquisitive:
Since Csargo is dead, can you share what it was he said?
vote: Ibn Khaldun
For claiming his role for no apparent reason, a role that looks a bit more questionable than Beskar's, i think.
Ummmm... Ibn was killed last night, Thermal.
Ummmm... Ibn was killed last night, Thermal.
I knew that.... :laugh2: :sweatdrop:
wow he really shouldn't have claimed...
Ibn-Khaldun
04-17-2010, 14:57
vote: Ibn Khaldun
For claiming his role for no apparent reason, a role that looks a bit more questionable than Beskar's, i think.
If this will be another game where by body will be cut to pieces or similar after I die then I had it with mafia games. :inquisitive:
I'm more curious why IbK was so forceful in trying to get them to attack him. He claims not to want to have died by the force. I had guessed he had the ability to survive the attack, but that obviously didn't happen. So why the suicide tactic? A horrible bluff?
Busy week-end, not much time.
Vote : Belisarius II
I didn't like your vote on Pizza. It smells scummy. Should do a re-read on you.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-17-2010, 15:05
I'm more curious why IbK was so forceful in trying to get them to attack him. He claims not to want to have died by the force. I had guessed he had the ability to survive the attack, but that obviously didn't happen. So why the suicide tactic? A horrible bluff?
Yes, a horrible bluff. Like I said. I was suprised that they actually attacked me. I mean. They should be careful. If Beskar can survive a lynch then there will be most likely some people who can survive night kill or even kill the killer instead. Attacking me like that... Bold move I have to say.
Because Csargo said up.
What were you up to last night, GH?
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Also Thermal Mercury, what ability where you meant to be sending off to Sigurd?
Centurion1
04-17-2010, 15:22
vote: belisarius II
you smell sithy
I was planning on Voting TheFlax today. Pizza should be the rightful lynch but that just seems like an argument waiting to happen.
Vote:TheFlax
Why did you vote ACIN?
A bunch of us were chatting and Beskar suggested we vote ACIN. Personally, I had no intention of voting ATPG, so ACIN seemed like a reasonable option. There was no big conspiracy or anything, it was rather spontaneous and we haven't been in contact since, at least I haven't.
Votes are spread too thin to do much good at the moment, we need to up the pressure on a couple suspects. On consideration, Beskar's 'List of Nine' is a good starting point.
Vote: TheFlax
Congrats, you've now got three votes. What do you have to say for yourself?
I'm always online, as in, I leave my firefox browser with me logged on all day long even if I'm not here or I'm sleeping. Unless for some reason my computer crashes or I decide to turn it off for one night, I'll always appear in an online list, no matter the time of the day.
Csargo's death is the first since Husar's that makes me curious. There were three people present besides him and me when he unaccountably revealed something about his role yesterday. Are we the only ones he's revealed that to? Were there more? Or was it his behavior in yesterday's thread that triggered the kill?
Those present, for the data: Csargo, me, Niklas, Secura, Beskar.
I had the same thought as you. However, you have it slightly wrong, there were 7 people in that conversation at the time it was discussed. You left out two: TheFlax, and ATPG.
Looking at my logs, ATPG was actually the first one to bring up Csargo's supposed ability, so presumably he must have heard it elsewhere first. Where, I wonder, if he was sulking most of the day up to that point? And Renata, why did you leave them out?
Because it's a lazy Saturday:
TheFlax 3: (Sasaki, Jooray, TinCow)
Belisarius 3: (Diamondeye, Andres, Centurion1)
Beskar 2: (pevergreen, GeneralH)
GeneralH 2: (ATPG, Beskar)
ATPG 1: (Belisarius)
Joooray 1: (Chaotix)
Thermal 1: (atheotes)
Lord Winter 1: (Diana)
AVSM 1: (Subotan)
Sasaki 1: (Renata)
atheotes 1: (autolycus)
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 17:59
So TheFlax was one of the people who overhead the Csargo whatever it was? I'm not sure about all that.
I'm always online, as in, I leave my firefox browser with me logged on all day long even if I'm not here or I'm sleeping. Unless for some reason my computer crashes or I decide to turn it off for one night, I'll always appear in an online list, no matter the time of the day.
Hate to tell you, but you should stop appearing in the online list after like 15 minutes of inactivity or something like that. So basically, you were online and you just invented a lengthy excuse to pretend you weren't.
Thanks Niklas :bow:
None of those up for the chop ("Chop" being the airlock) strike me as blindingly bad choice, except for maybe Thermal and Joooray.
So TheFlax was one of the people who overhead the Csargo whatever it was?
I was one of the people named by Renata and was in the seven-person conversation over MSN, but I don't recall Csargo saying much at all, let alone anything pertaining to the game.
It might have occured while I was walking home from Beskar's, but I don't remember any reveal of Csargo's. :S
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 18:09
I was one of the people named by Renata and was in the seven-person conversation over MSN, but I don't recall Csargo saying much at all, let alone anything pertaining to the game.
It might have occured while I was walking home from Beskar's, but I don't remember any reveal of Csargo's. :S
Why aren't you voting?
Why aren't you voting?
We've been through this in about a million previous games, Sasaki, it doesn't bear repeating.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 18:16
We've been through this in about a million previous games, Sasaki, it doesn't bear repeating.
I forgot :embarassed:
We've talked about your habit of not voting when you're mafia before?
So TheFlax was one of the people who overhead the Csargo whatever it was? I'm not sure about all that.
I don't recall any reveals during the chat, though there were parts where I didn't pay attention at all since I had just gotten back from work and was busy with other stuff.
Hate to tell you, but you should stop appearing in the online list after like 15 minutes of inactivity or something like that. So basically, you were online and you just invented a lengthy excuse to pretend you weren't.
I don't know the ins and outs of how the online status works, I've never cared much about it. Though I've never said I wasn't online, I just though my name in the list was as much proof as saying someone is in invisible mode, turns out I was wrong. Alright. Looking at the timestamp of Sigurd's message concerning orders, I can say that at that time and for an hour after that I was at home and on the org. How I can prove I actually wasn't up to something nefarious during that time, I have no idea.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 18:21
I don't know the ins and outs of how the online status works, I've never cared much about it. Though I've never said I wasn't online, I just though my name in the list was as much proof as saying someone is in invisible mode, turns out I was wrong. Alright. Looking at the timestamp of Sigurd's message concerning orders, I can say that at that time and for an hour after that I was at home and on the org. How I can prove I actually wasn't up to something nefarious during that time, I have no idea.
1) sigurd had no orders from mafia at a certain point
2) you were online after that
3) He apparently received kill orders
4) You gave an excuse for why your name would be on the online list, acting like you weren't actually there
5) But it turns out you were
Therefore, we lynch you.
We've talked about your habit of not voting when you're mafia before?
You have chastised me for not voting before, basically, and on more than one occasion. In this instance, I genuinely cannot think of anyone to vote for.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 18:25
You have chastised me for not voting before, basically, and on more than one occasion. In this instance, I genuinely cannot think of anyone to vote for.
Why have you voted for Flaxy?
The only time I remember is in Shadow Fort, when it was one of the main reasons I voted you. Regardless, not voting is scummy, because it says you aren't looking for anything suspicious, because that's not your goal.
In the post you quoted earlier I showed that TheFlax made up an excuse to make it look like he wasn't online. You skipped over that part. I don't see why that wouldn't be interesting to a town player looking for mafia.
1) sigurd had no orders from mafia at a certain point
2) you were online after that
3) He apparently received kill orders
4) You gave an excuse for why your name would be on the online list, acting like you weren't actually there
5) But it turns out you were
Therefore, we lynch you.
Fair enough.
Vote: TheFlax
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 18:26
You also edited out the question where you asked me why I was voting for TheFlax. So you see the case, but still only defend yourself.
You also edited out the question where you asked me why I was voting for TheFlax. So you see the case, but still only defend yourself.
Well, I edited the question out because immediately afterwards I noticed a post that addressed your reasoning for voting as such, hence a pointless question. I am curious, however... how do you know TheFlax made up an excuse? I skipped over your claim because it was something that I had no active knowledge in; I wasn't aware that "being away for more than fifteen minutes removes you from the list", so there wasn't really anything for me to comment on.
If this was true though, why haven't more people voted TheFlax? I would at least expect moderators, who would have knowledge of stuff like that, to have voted for him; they haven't done so yet, so forgive me if I opt to take such an approach with a pinch of salt for the time being. I'd be keen to hear your explanation of his self-vote also.
Also, I don't need to defend myself, treacle; this wouldn't be the first time you've accused me of being scummy and have been incorrect.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 18:50
Well, I edited the question out because immediately afterwards I noticed a post that addressed your reasoning for voting as such, hence a pointless question. I am curious, however... how do you know TheFlax made up an excuse? I skipped over your claim because it was something that I had no active knowledge in; I wasn't aware that "being away for more than fifteen minutes removes you from the list", so there wasn't really anything for me to comment on.
If this was true though, why haven't more people voted TheFlax? I would at least expect moderators, who would have knowledge of stuff like that, to have voted for him; they haven't done so yet, so forgive me if I opt to take such an approach with a pinch of salt for the time being. I'd be keen to hear your explanation of his self-vote also.
I don't care if you take it with a pinch of salt. I wonder why you didn't even comment. The others can be excused by saying you didn't notice, but you must have noticed me pointing it out. You haven't seemed to show the slightest suspicion of TheFlax, and seemed at a loss as to why I would be voting him.
My "explanation" of his self vote? You think that's evidence of him being innocent?
Also, I don't need to defend myself, treacle; this wouldn't be the first time you've accused me of being scummy and have been incorrect.
Yes you do. I've accused you three times, twice I decided you were innocent after your defense and (coincidentally) switched my vote to the real mafia. The other time I didn't decide you were innocent and in fact you weren't innocent.
I'd be keen to hear your explanation of his self-vote also.
I have a headache and I've blundered in explaining my self. As far as I understand, anything I add now will be tainted by that, so I've decided to just accept the judgement. Don't read more into it then that.
Winston Hughes
04-17-2010, 18:55
Since there's something that looks a bit like evidence against him, I guess I'll vote: TheFlax.
But I've still got my eye on you, White_eyes. :inquisitive:
johnhughthom
04-17-2010, 18:56
Vote: GH
Pressure on Beskar seems excessive for the evidence (or lack of) I have seen.
I have a headache and I've blundered in explaining my self. As far as I understand, anything I add now will be tainted by that, so I've decided to just accept the judgement. Don't read more into it then that.
You gave an impression of innocence over MSN; so why are you saying that you're admitting defeat?
If all townies did that we wouldn't get anywhere at all... Sasaki's right, it doesn't help your case, Flaxy. :<
I was one of the people named by Renata and was in the seven-person conversation over MSN, but I don't recall Csargo saying much at all, let alone anything pertaining to the game.
Sorry lass, I just don't buy it. Either you have an incredibly bad memory, or you are lying through your teeth. You know very well what we were discussing, and when I pressed you on it you said you remembered but didn't think to put it together with what Renata was after. It reeks of bad excuses to me.
vote: Secura
Why aren't you guys voting GH?
TheFlax does not look like a good lynch to me...
the fact that we are lynching him based on his presence on a list of people created by Beskar disturbs me.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-17-2010, 19:14
TheFlax does not look like a good lynch to me...
the fact that we are lynching him based on his presence on a list of people created by Beskar disturbs me.
:stare:
Sorry lass, I just don't buy it. Either you have an incredibly bad memory, or you are lying through your teeth. You know very well what we were discussing, and when I pressed you on it you said you remembered but didn't think to put it together with what Renata was after. It reeks of bad excuses to me.
And as you know from our MSN conversation, I remembered but didn't find it pertinent information as I felt it was a bluff; I wasn't going to believe what was claimed so soon after we'd seen it in-thread, so ignored it. I was more concerned about Pizza at the time, to be honest.
Are you saying I'm a liar? That's not very nice.
:stare:
Or was it your list?
Maybe I should go back and read the thread...
Are you saying I'm a liar? That's not very nice.
You understand that it's difficult to believe a claim such as that though, right?
:stare:
Hooray, let's all divulge our information to the trusted, honest and never convertible Beskar!
I am the Jedi Master Gul Ibil, hailing from the planet Suka. I was an apprentice of the great Jedi Trus Ting, and I have an apprentice of my own called Dum Hass. My character fought in the Jedi Civil War, but was slain by a Sith who possessed a blade made from Mandalorian Iron
Why aren't you guys voting GH?
I approve of keeping the town wary of Beskar. GH's votes keep attention on Beskar even when there are other suspects, and he can't exactly lynch Beskar himself. I approve of GH's actions.
I approve of keeping the town wary of Beskar. GH's votes keep attention on Beskar even when there are other suspects, and he can't exactly lynch Beskar himself. I approve of GH's actions.
That's all he's doing though.
Niklas and Secura, can you tell me if that list I gave was correct? I did it from memory, but I'm not 100% sure no one else had wandered in by the time Csargo said what he did. I'm on the wrong computer to double check.
That's all he's doing though.
Indeed. I hope he can stop it now and focus on other things, since the point has been well made, and not only by him.
Niklas and Secura, can you tell me if that list I gave was correct? I did it from memory, but I'm not 100% sure no one else had wandered in by the time Csargo said what he did. I'm on the wrong computer to double check.
Having spoken to Niklas about this, I believe the list of people was: Csargo, Pizza, Flaxy, Renata, Secura, Beskar, Niklas.
Niklas and Secura, can you tell me if that list I gave was correct? I did it from memory, but I'm not 100% sure no one else had wandered in by the time Csargo said what he did. I'm on the wrong computer to double check.
Are you now trying to have me believe you didn't read my post #710 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471833&viewfull=1#post2471833)?
I had the same thought as you. However, you have it slightly wrong, there were 7 people in that conversation at the time it was discussed. You left out two: TheFlax, and ATPG.
Looking at my logs, ATPG was actually the first one to bring up Csargo's supposed ability, so presumably he must have heard it elsewhere first. Where, I wonder, if he was sulking most of the day up to that point? And Renata, why did you leave them out?
Because I'm not on the right computer to check the logs, and I thought it happened earlier in the conversation than that. Scratch the question I asked a couple of posts back and replace it with a request to post the relevant portion of the logs. I see no reason it shouldn't be made public.
Are you now trying to have me believe you didn't read my post #710 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-In-Play&p=2471833&viewfull=1#post2471833)?
Yes. :)
I started from the current page in catching up. Bad habit, but not a new one. Check out my posts from yesterday.
GeneralHankerchief
04-17-2010, 21:00
Rest assured that I know exactly what I'm doing.
Rest assured that I know exactly what I'm doing.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
He is trying to annoy me till the point I get fed-up with him and vig him.
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2010, 22:10
You gave an impression of innocence over MSN; so why are you saying that you're admitting defeat?
If all townies did that we wouldn't get anywhere at all... Sasaki's right, it doesn't help your case, Flaxy. :<
My vehement protests of the lynch took up half a day and set several players more or less permanently against me. I might still be here but that was a massive distraction.
From what I know of TheFlax, he's also not very argumentative. Dunno if he's guilty or not, but if you're looking for a big defense you won't find one.
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