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gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 15:26
Al Queda in Cork and Waterford :dizzy2:
Arrests in Cork and Waterford over murder plot (http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0309/waterford.html)
Arrests in Cork and Waterford over murder plot
Gardaí have arrested five people in Waterford and two others in Cork in connection with an investigation into a conspiracy to murder a Swedish cartoonist.
The cartoonist, Lars Vilks, has been threatened over his drawing depicting the Prophet Muhammad with the body of a dog.
The head of an al Qaeda-led group in Iraq, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, posted an audio tape on the internet in September, 2007, offering $100,000 for the killing of Mr Vilks.
This morning, detectives arrested three men and two women in Waterford and Tramore and another man and woman at Ballincollig, near Cork city. A number of searches also took place.
A garda spokesman said the operation was part of an investigation into a conspiracy to murder an individual in another jurisdiction.
Members of the Garda National Support Services and the Special Detective Unit were also involved in this morning's operation.
Members of the Garda National Support Services and the Special Detective Unit were also involved in this morning's operation.
Gardaí say they are working closely with police forces in a number of other European countries and in the US.
The seven people arrested this morning range in age from their mid-20s to their late-40s.
They are being questioned at garda stations in Waterford, Tramore, Dungarvan and Thomastown.
All are being detained under section 50 of the Criminal Justice Act, which allows for them to be held for up to a week.
Those in custody are originally from Morocco and Yemen, but it is understood they all have refugee status and are legally in the country.
Its a bit Bourney for round here the mind boggles and then realises its all too real
Furunculus
03-09-2010, 15:36
Ireland has taken the time and trouble to grant these guys refugee status, and they abuse that privelage by planning international terroisim from irish soil!
If they are found guilty then i sincerely hope their sentence reflects the outrage above. i.e. i want them in prison for longer.
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 15:46
I suspect a lear jet will be landing in Shannon for these guys hint hint :wink:
Furunculus
03-09-2010, 15:58
I suspect a lear jet will be landing in Shannon for these guys hint hint :wink:
lol.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 21:38
I suspect a lear jet will be landing in Shannon for these guys hint hint :wink:
So....
The laws of your country doesn't mean much to you, then? A fair trial should only be available to criminals you like?
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 21:46
So....
The laws of your country doesn't mean much to you, then? A fair trial should only be available to criminals you like?
Oh they will get there trial no doubt and then we can gitmo there ass or whatever the new place the USA puts em now
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 21:47
Oh they will get there trial no doubt and then we can gitmo there ass or whatever the new place the USA puts em now
So.... you want them found guilty in a fair trial, but you want people sentenced on the whims of your population instead of a code of laws?
Sounds nice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hdbns1Xdk0).
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 21:53
They have been arrested and I have very little doubt they will be found guilty and then it will be chucking out time for them boo hoo.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 21:55
They have been arrested and I have very little doubt they will be found guilty and then it will be chucking out time for them boo hoo.
....yes, but you don't want them sentenced by the laws of your country, but rather by the bloodlust of the angry mob chasing after them? Right?
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 22:01
Who said I don't want them sentenced but everyone knows they will not serve a day in an Irish jail if there going anywhere it's a nice cold jailcell in Sweden
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 22:03
Who said I don't want them sentenced but everyone knows they will not serve a day in an Irish jail if there going anywhere it's a nice cold jailcell in Sweden
Now you'll have to excuse me, but is this:
I suspect a lear jet will be landing in Shannon for these guys hint hint :wink:
not a hint for the CIA to come torture them and ship them to gitmo? Or in other words, punishing people by the whims of the mob instead of established law.
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 22:13
Now you'll have to excuse me, but is this:
not a hint for the CIA to come torture them and ship them to gitmo? Or in other words, punishing people by the whims of the mob instead of established law.
Its called a joke or havin a bit of craic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic)
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 22:17
Its called a joke or havin a bit of craic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic)
Somehow I have trouble believing that your voice would be the highest one if these guys actually is sent to gitmo....
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 22:23
And yet somehow you have no sympathy or it at least is not stated anywhere so i can take it you dont care for the man they wished to kill or the fact they conspired to use our free country to plan a terrorist action in sweden while abusing our refugee laws instead you jump on my rightwing joke as evidence they will be mistreated or worse.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 22:30
And yet somehow you have no sympathy or it at least is not stated anywhere so i can take it you dont care for the man they wished to kill or the fact they conspired to use our free country to plan a terrorist action in sweden while abusing our refugee laws instead you jump on my rightwing joke as evidence they will be mistreated or worse.
I expect them to be tried and sentenced in a fair trial, if they are criminals. If they planned to kill someone, they are criminals, no more, no less, and that is what I treat them as.
However, our governments has shown themselves to be utterly incompetent when it comes to "terrorism", so I take any such accusation with a pint of salt.
EDIT: Also note that I did not take your joke as evidence that they will be tortured, I took it as evidence that you want them to be tortured.
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 22:42
However, our governments has shown themselves to be utterly incompetent when it comes to "terrorism", so I take any such accusation with a pint of salt.
We don't kick down doors here cos they look brown or have a last name like bin laden terror has been in Ireland for a lot longer than the neo-cons found it in US. Its precisely because our security is so reliant on other parties like CIA MI5 that I have no doubt they are guilty even if that statement is a bit of an eyebrow raiser at first let me explain. Obviously the Swedes sent a note to special branch and the department of justice to check them out and they were investigated and arrested on suspision of terrorism they can be held for seven days.
Now in other countries this inteligence has been abused but our government has very little to gain from stoking terror fears in fact people would in fact probably say no stuff you we dont believe your lies. It still was not top story in the news today on the webpage its the third item for RTE News
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 23:00
We don't kick down doors here cos they look brown or have a last name like bin laden terror has been in Ireland for a lot longer than the neo-cons found it in US. Its precisely because our security is so reliant on other parties like CIA MI5 that I have no doubt they are guilty even if that statement is a bit of an eyebrow raiser at first let me explain. Obviously the Swedes sent a note to special branch and the department of justice to check them out and they were investigated and arrested on suspision of terrorism they can be held for seven days.
Now in other countries this inteligence has been abused but our government has very little to gain from stoking terror fears in fact people would in fact probably say no stuff you we dont believe your lies. It still was not top story in the news today on the webpage its the third item for RTE News
The CIA have done more screw-ups than anyone else when it comes to nailing completely innocent people, including children, as terorrists and giving them a nice round of torture before letting them out 5 years later without as much as an apology. Don't know the specifics of MI5, but they work closely with the CIA, don't they? As such they're likely to have done as many screw-ups as the CIA. As for prosecutors, well, I give you the Arfan Bhatti case, a man tried for terrorism with evidence witheld due to "national security"(in reality it was because the evidence was laughable) who ended up without even being convicted for threatening a man to pay his debts...
As an additional fun fact, yours truly have been investigated for terrorism. What a waste of your tax money that was....
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 23:05
Yeah but its likely Sweden thats asked for this seeing as its there citizens that are in danger I am not really up on Sweden's internal politics but I cant believe they run around looking for Al Qaeda under the bed.
As an additional fun fact, yours truly have been investigated for terrorism. What a waste of your tax money that was....
Where did that happen in Norway. Fun fact we have had actual terrorists in our family well at least according to british intelligence back in the twenties and thirties and they were right on the money but they never caught them and neither did the free state government who signed the treaty. After Dev brought Fianna Fail into the democratic process our family gave up arms too but then thats true of half the country anyway.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 23:08
Yeah but its likely Sweden thats asked for this seeing as its there citizens that are in danger I am not really up on Sweden's internal politics but I cant believe they run around looking for Al Qaeda under the bed.
Sweden is in the same category as Norway; we don't have any terrorism, but we still have the terrorist hype. Because of the terrorist hype, there is a demand for terrorist arrests. As there are no guilty terrorists around, we just arrest and torture the innocent, or lob terrorism charges on normal criminals, trippling the sentence they would've gotten if they committed their crime before 2001.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-09-2010, 23:15
The CIA have done more screw-ups than anyone else when it comes to nailing completely innocent people, including children, as terorrists and giving them a nice round of torture before letting them out 5 years later without as much as an apology. Don't know the specifics of MI5, but they work closely with the CIA, don't they? As such they're likely to have done as many screw-ups as the CIA. As for prosecutors, well, I give you the Arfan Bhatti case, a man tried for terrorism with evidence witheld due to "national security"(in reality it was because the evidence was laughable) who ended up without even being convicted for threatening a man to pay his debts...
As an additional fun fact, yours truly have been investigated for terrorism. What a waste of your tax money that was....
You're painting with a broad brush here, Horetore. The intelligence industry is far from flawless, but it is an industry where their failures are published and their successes are largely unknown. "More screw ups than anyone else..." Perhaps so.
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 23:21
Where did that happen in Norway. Fun fact we have had actual terrorists in our family well at least according to british intelligence back in the twenties and thirties and they were right on the money but they never caught them and neither did the free state government who signed the treaty. After Dev brought Fianna Fail into the democratic process our family gave up arms too but then thats true of half the country anyway.
Me and some friends sent an what we thought was a hilarious email to the FBI. In retrospect, it probably wasn't a very good idea to sign it with our full names and addresses... Actually, that would depend on your point of view, as it's given me a hilarious story to tell people at parties :smash:
gaelic cowboy
03-09-2010, 23:25
Me and some friends sent an what we thought was a hilarious email to the FBI. In retrospect, it probably wasn't a very good idea to sign it with our full names and addresses... Actually, that would depend on your point of view, as it's given me a hilarious story to tell people at parties :smash:
Not the smartest thing in the world now was it
HoreTore
03-09-2010, 23:27
Not the smartest thing in the world now was it
As I said, depends on how you see it...
I didn't suffer at all, and got a terrific story to tell. And I got to burn some american tax dollars! That's a definite win in my book.
Furunculus
03-10-2010, 00:46
not a hint for the CIA to come torture them and ship them to gitmo? Or in other words, punishing people by the whims of the mob instead of established law.
it's called interrogation. ;)
Ironside
03-10-2010, 10:46
Yeah but its likely Sweden thats asked for this seeing as its there citizens that are in danger I am not really up on Sweden's internal politics but I cant believe they run around looking for Al Qaeda under the bed.
Not really. First, that would require that our intelligence service is active in Ireland, second the crime of conspiracy to commit murder is made on Irish soil. For example american Colleen R. LaRose is facing US punishment and prison for simular activities.
There has been contact between säpo and the Irish equivalent though.
A tip on commiting murder/terrorism etc. Don't brag about it and plan it on the net.
I do like Vilks' final backup plan though, using that axe.
HoreTore
03-10-2010, 12:56
it's called interrogation. ;)
No, it's call "no respect for the laws of western culture".
Get back to Iran.
Vilks versus Jihad Jane:
https://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9061/2b3c2f4f31c6a20e3.jpg
go Vilks :laugh4:
Go Vilks indeed, the solution to everything, keep ridiculing them and their sensibilities until they start to like it. They have to get tired of being angry at some point if we cook them a little.
finger -> face -> lol
PanzerJaeger
03-12-2010, 06:29
Nevermind.
gaelic cowboy
03-12-2010, 11:31
Well looks like this Jihad Jane started the ball rolling in Eireann's isle according to the Gardai she was in contact with these people
Gardai link terror swoop detainees to 'Jihad Jane' (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-link-terror-swoop-detainees-to-jihad-jane-2096938.html)
A Garda trawl of seized computers and documentation has established internet links between some of the seven suspects arrested here on Tuesday and 'Jihad Jane', the mastermind behind an alleged plot to murder Swedish cartoonist, Lars Vilks.
Specialists from the computer unit, attached to the Garda Fraud Bureau, were last night continuing to sift through downloaded files to determine the extent of the relationship between Colleen LaRose, who referred to herself as 'Jihad Jane' in a YouTube video, and the group.
Her main contact here is believed by gardai to be a 49-year-old Algerian, who has been living here since 2000 and became a citizen in 2008.
He is an Irish passport holder and currently lives in Waterford with his Kansas-born partner, who has converted to the Islam faith.
Officers believe that Ms LaRose corresponded regularly on the internet with the Algerian and interacted through him with others currently living in the State.
The seven, who include three couples, can now be questioned by gardai until tomorrow evening, after special sittings of Waterford District Court on Wednesday night and yesterday morning extended their detention for three days.
Gardai will have to seek the permission of the court again tomorrow if they want to question the suspects further and a decision must then be made on Monday whether to charge any of them or release them.
Investigations by the gardai have established that Ms LaRose was in the company of the Algerian and his partner in Cork and Waterford during her visit here last September. Other members of the group in contact with her were regarded as facilitators, who were prepared to provide logistical support for her.
But it has not yet been determined whether the suspects had full knowledge of her alleged plot or if any of their actions constituted a breach of the law.
Inquiries have confirmed that the Libyan-born suspect arrived here in either 2000 or 2001 and was joined by his wife, a Palestinian.
An Algerian couple were arrested in Ballincollig in Cork while the seventh suspect, a Croatian man, also converted to Islam while living here.
The lawyer for the Croatian and the American woman said after yesterday's court sitting, which was held in-camera under amendments to the anti-gangland legislation last year, that he had argued against the garda application to extend their detention period but said it had been granted by Judge Gerard Furlong.
Questioning
The woman, who was wearing a burqa, and the Croatian were then taken from the court building in separate unmarked garda cars for further questioning.
The man detained in Cork during the operation on Tuesday morning is believed to have adopted an increasingly strict adherence to his faith over recent years, and has distanced himself from former Irish friends and business acquaintances.
Described as neighbours as quiet, shy and polite, he had abandoned his medical studies here and focused on a business career over the past few years.
Gardai said last night they were satisfied with the progress made so far in the investigation but said the next few days would be crucial as they continued to trawl through the computer files and telephone records and extend their questioning of the suspects.
Meanwhile, Ms LaRose remains in custody in Philadelphia, where she has been indicted on charges of conspiring to provide support to Islamic extremists, with whom she allegedly plotted to kill the Swedish artist.
She is also charged with conspiracy to kill in a foreign country.
- Tom Brady, Conor Kane and Ralph Riegel
Irish Independent
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