EB with BI is imprssive

[lionhard]

I installed it last night an, i st5arted a seleucid campaign, and to say the least im impressed with the AI movement impiticular. Iv never had rebel factions attack me so frequently, the rebels are actually more hostile than my current enemies which iv never heard of be4. and they arnet just hostile to me, they are attacking everyone which is great. Im a bit gutted so far that i spent over a year using alexander when in 5 turns im this happy with this mod. Oh well we'l c how it goes. Ill keep yas updated, n ill b postin all my current empires soon :P

[Drunk Clown]

I'm thinking too about ALX or BI, but is it really better? Cos you can't base it on one experience.

I thought BI and ALX had the same AI btw.

[anubis88]

I installed it last night an, i st5arted a seleucid campaign, and to say the least im impressed with the AI movement impiticular. Iv never had rebel factions attack me so frequently, the rebels are actually more hostile than my current enemies which iv never heard of be4. and they arnet just hostile to me, they are attacking everyone which is great. Im a bit gutted so far that i spent over a year using alexander when in 5 turns im this happy with this mod. Oh well we'l c how it goes. Ill keep yas updated, n ill b postin all my current empires soon :P

I have a suggestion for you. Every time you post i have great difficulty reading your posts, since you try to shorten sentences, write numbers instead of letters, don't use ponctuation that often, u often forget words... I understand that you may not be a native english speaker, but the problem isn't the vocabulary, it's how your writing.

Don't take this by any means the wrong way, but i don't understand a large procentage of your posts, and i don't even bother to read them, even though i could be active in such topics

[Cute Wolf]

0uw, d0n't b3 5uch nitp1ck with h1m... :grin: at l3a5t, I 5till und3r5tand v3ry - v3ry w3ll wh4t h3 w4nt to 54y... and y34h, 3B w1th B1 w1ll m4d3 the campa16n map m0r3 1mpr35s51vely 46gr351v3, but 4t th3 c05t 0f "5tup1d1ty"... wh4t I m34n5 w45 you'll 3nc0unt3r mor3 and m0r3 p4nd4 f1ll3d 4rmy 5p4m...

Ouw, don't be such nitpick with him... at least, I still understand very - very well what he want to say... and yeah, EB with BI will made the campaign map more impresssively aggresive, but at the cost of "stupidity"... what I means was you'll encounter more and more panda filled army spam...

[Drunk Clown]

0uw, d0n't b3 5uch nitp1ck with h1m... :grin: at l3a5t, I 5till und3r5tand v3ry - v3ry w3ll wh4t h3 w4nt to 54y... and y34h, 3B w1th B1 w1ll m4d3 the campa16n map m0r3 1mpr35s51vely 46gr351v3, but 4t th3 c05t 0f "5tup1d1ty"... wh4t I m34n5 w45 you'll 3nc0unt3r mor3 and m0r3 p4nd4 f1ll3d 4rmy 5p4m...

Ouw, don't be such nitpick with him... at least, I still understand very - very well what he want to say... and yeah, EB with BI will made the campaign map more impresssively aggresive, but at the cost of "stupidity"... what I means was you'll encounter more and more panda filled army spam...

But is it worth it? I mean they already act stupid.

I hope you mean Pantodapoi with panda.... (I'm not quite familiar with the EB lingo, for instance I am clueless if somebody would say: "Hey check out my AAR".)
I for instance love animals, wouldn't want to kill them (except if it were kittehs)

[Duguntz]

eerrr... an AAR, it's a story the players made by players... they play their campaing and tells it as an epic stories... as for animals, all i have to say is... pay attention to the bear... he tends to molest....

[Drunk Clown]

So you don't know it either?
Compare it with this: LOL = Laughing Out Loud
AAR = ????

[Duguntz]

Well ,I do know what is an AAR, i don't know the proper words of the abreviations... but i know what it is, in content... catch it?

[Cute Wolf]

Panda = Pantodapoi
Spam = Countless training (and throwing to the player) of one type of unit, the most notorious being panda spam (Pantodapoi), or Argyraspidai Spam (the latter especially from rich badass Gray death (arche Seleukeia), which was the exact opposite of panda spam)
AAR = After Action Reports, story made by players told about her campaign

Hope this helps :bow:

[Gustave]

It means After Action Report.
edit : oops, cute wolf was faster.

[Zarax]

I quite enjoy EB with BI, AI seems to act a bit better.

TBH, much of the BI exe potential is wasted on most mods, EB included.

[lionhard]

True, but compared to RTW and alex which iv played for the last 2 years, to notice a huge difference within 5 turns of the game is saying something i just had to give it a mention.

And also Its easier to install than Alex which as far as i know everyone struggles to install. BI is the way forward. Oh and p.s to whoe ever it was moaning about my grammer or whateva. A big shout to u for been so BOOOOORRRRRRIIIIINNNGGGGGGGG, i didnt finish readin what ya said but, yeh ill try an use more full stops just for u, big geek

[Megas Methuselah]

(I'm not quite familiar with the EB lingo, for instance I am clueless if somebody would say: "Hey check out my AAR".)

After Action Report. It isn't EB colliloque, either; the term is used for all total war games and mods.

[Ibrahim]

and carthaginians are "carthies", a seleukid steamroller is called "grey death", the ptolemaic version is the "yellow fever", cataphracts are often called catanks. the list goes on in regards to EB/TW slang.
maks=macedonians
CTD=crash to desktop
etc

I hope that will enlighten ye on the local slang and jargon.

[satalexton]

....and the bartix, Ibrahim, one must never forget the bartix....

Romans, some call them by their greek term Rhomaioi/Romaioi; Some simply call them Barbaroi.

[Duguntz]

Barbaroi is the most common sensed therm... though...

[HunGeneral]

Barbaroi is the most common sensed therm... though...

Thats for sure!

[Cute Wolf]

Thats for sure!

And don't forget to upgrade their Native MIC when you are gonna Polybianism.... :oops: MIC = Military Industry Complex, Native = factional MIC... otherwise they are just 'lings and infested hellenes...

:oops:

Now back to topic....

[lionhard]

Quick question. At the start of a campaign when you capture a settlement, normally rebel settlements , you get the option to civilize that settlement a certain way. Their are 4 classes class 1 is fully 2 is semi 3 is a little and 4 is just controlled. well along those lines their is obviously proper terms for what i am explaining whcih i shud know but iv not played in a while :P

My question is how come in all my campaigns, i can choose to upgrade settlements i capture at the start, but when i expand, expecially to enemy territory i no longer get the option to upgrade my settlements to how i would like them? Is this normal?

[Ludens]

Civilize? These buildings represent the kind of government you install, particularly how you integrate the province into your empire. Have you read the descriptions?

For most factions, type I represent the core provinces. This is were most of the political power lies. Because of this, they are home to the political, economical and military elite. Obviously, only the provinces most closely aligned to your faction (i.e. those who share the same culture and ethnicity) can be turned into a type I province. Type II provinces are also aligned with your faction, but less important, usually because they are not as powerful or the inhabitants have other loyalties. Type III and IV government represent leaving the local political elite in charge, but with varying degrees of imperial interference.

[lionhard]

Yes i know all this what im saying is, i only ever get to choose what kind of goverment i want at the start with rebel provinces, when i start to expand to take provinces that have been owned previously by other factions the option to choose a goverment type is no longer avaliable and i wana know why?

[Duguntz]

because they installed their own governament. you must destroy it and then build a ''regional pacification'' wich take one turn, and after that you can build your own governament. but first, go in the city panel, and destroy their gouvernament building

[artaxerxes]

0uw, d0n't b3 5uch nitp1ck with h1m... :grin: at l3a5t, I 5till und3r5tand v3ry - v3ry w3ll wh4t h3 w4nt to 54y... and y34h, 3B w1th B1 w1ll m4d3 the campa16n map m0r3 1mpr35s51vely 46gr351v3, but 4t th3 c05t 0f "5tup1d1ty"... wh4t I m34n5 w45 you'll 3nc0unt3r mor3 and m0r3 p4nd4 f1ll3d 4rmy 5p4m...

Ouw, don't be such nitpick with him... at least, I still understand very - very well what he want to say... and yeah, EB with BI will made the campaign map more impresssively aggresive, but at the cost of "stupidity"... what I means was you'll encounter more and more panda filled army spam...

Not only did it take me surprisingly long time to understand the word 'panda', but I also slowly read my way through all of the mess before noticing the spoiler below :( ;p

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

And Het Kats are Hetairoi Kataphraktoi... to me, anyway.

[Megas Methuselah]

If you see someone repeatedly spamming and/or trolling, he/she is high on Meth. It's an old term leftover from the days I drove the moderators in this subforum insane.



because they installed their own governament. you must destroy it and then build a ''regional pacification'' wich take one turn, and after that you can build your own governament. but first, go in the city panel, and destroy their gouvernament building

Don't forget that not destroying those government buildings can lead to some problems. If a region was under bitter dispute between several AI factions, and numerous government buildings are present (all damaged, of course) when you capture the city, repairing one or all of them sometimes leads to CTD's.

So, destroy the AI government(s), build the regional pacification, then build your own government.

[lionhard]

Wow i cant belive iv just learnt something this dramatic about EB and iv been playin it for years now, ta guys :P

[V.T. Marvin]

EB lingo is rich indeed - an example, which is two years old and even than far from being exhaustive follows:

* AAR = After Action Report - a story of your campaign, battle or a guide
* AFAIK = as far as I know
* AI = Artificial Intelligence, i.e. what computer is doing, whether intelligent or not
* AoR = Area of Recruitment
* AP = Armor Piercing
* AS = Arche Seleukeia, an EB faction
* AtB = Asia ton Barbaron, prepared east-oriented EB mod
* AtS = "Activate the Script!" - what you should do, always.
* BI = Barbarian Invasion, datadisk to RTW
* BOT = Back on Topic
* CA = Creative Assembly, the creators of Total War series, or CountArach, a forum member
* CTD = Crash to Desktop
* DBH = DimeBagHo, the man behind XGM
* EB = Europa Barbarorum - the RTW mod
* EBBS = EBBS.txt, Europa Barbarorum Background Script
* EDB = export_descr_building.txt
* EDCT = export_descr_character_traits.txt
* EDU = export_descr_unit.txt
* ExRM = Extended Realism Mod - RTR further improved
* FD = Force Diplomacy, quite useful EB minimod
* FM = Family member
* FOW = Fog of War, unavoidable uncertainty of war, in game limiting your view of areas/units outside your control, could be cleared by spies.
* FTL = For The Lose, i.e. "The above is bad", e.g. "akontistai FTL" = "Akontistai are weak"
* FTW = For The Win, i.e. "The above is good", e.g. "HA FTW!" = "Horse Archers are good!"
* HA = Horse Archers
* IIRC = if I remember correctly
* IMHO = in my humble opinion
* IMO = in my opinion
* KH = Koinon Hellenon, an EB faction
* KTM = Kick to Menu, you try to start up a campaign for instance, and instead of loading the campaign the game kicks you back to the (main) menu
* LOL = laughing out loud, lots of laugter,
* LH = lorica hamata, roman mail armor
* LS = lorica segmentata, late roman armor, mostly otside EB frame
* M2TW = Medieval II: Total War, successor to RTW
* MAA = Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, a famous member of the EB team
* MIC = Military Industrial Complex, basically barracks in EB
* MiNO: Medieval in Name Only, synonym for M2TW - sarcastic forum expression
* MTW = Medieval Total War predecessor to RTW
* QFT = Quoted for the truth - When you quote something to say you concur with whatever someone's saying.
* RL = Real Life, a different from computer game
* RTR = Rome Total Realism - another great RTW mod
* RTW = Rome Total War
* SB = Sacred Band or Sarmatian Bodyguard, EB units, both are very heavy cavalry
* SoV = Spoils of Victory, my EB micro-mod
* (sp.) = spelling, when you are unsure of it
* SSbQ = Safot Sophet bin Quart-Hadast (sp.?), i.e. Carthage, an EB faction
* SSECC = Slingers Solve Everything Camels Can't (can also be abbreviated as SEX because Balearics were paid with women)
* STW = Shogun Total War, the first game in Total War series
* TA = Teleklos Archelaou or Tellos Athenaios, both are famous members of the EB team
* TIC = The Iberian Campaign - RTW mod, preparation for a new release of RTR
* TPC = The Persian Cataphract, famous member of the EB team
* TWC = Total War Center, another RTW forum
* UI = User Interface, i.e. in-game menus and control panels
* VC = Victory Conditions
* WIDUC = When In Doubt, Use Camel
* WWI = World War One, a tragic RL event
* WWII = World War Two, another tragic RL event
* XGM = Extended Greek Mod - another RTW mod


Common expressions

* Black Plague = Macedon, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Blue Death = Baktria, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Boost = applying yourself into another with force, but not too hard. like a bodyslam but gentler. good when applied on girls (various kinds of boost see here)
* Dry Blood Flood = Sweboz, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Hammer and Anvil = a winning strategy, pin the opposing troops with phalanxes and charge them from the rear with your cavalry.
* Hit and Run = another winning strategy (the poor man's one); pelter your opponent with missiles, fall back, rinse and repeat, then mop the survivors with whatever hard hitting troops you have left
* Highground = the best position on the battlefield, that is, the easiest to defend if the opponent decides to go on the offensive; give longer range to missile troops.
* rinse and repeat = an expression used for a (somewhat boring) repetitive actions
* Purple rain = Pahlava, an EB faction if controlled by AI or TPC and becomes too powerful
* Silver Death = Arche Seleukeia, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Teal Death = Epeiros, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* vanilla = a game as shipped by the producer, i.e. without any modifications
* Yellow fever = Ptolemaioi, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful

BTW BOT EB+BI.exe FTW, IMHO :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[vartan]

EB lingo is rich indeed - an example, which is two years old and even than far from being exhaustive follows:

* AAR = After Action Report - a story of your campaign, battle or a guide
* AFAIK = as far as I know
* AI = Artificial Intelligence, i.e. what computer is doing, whether intelligent or not
* AoR = Area of Recruitment
* AP = Armor Piercing
* AS = Arche Seleukeia, an EB faction
* AtB = Asia ton Barbaron, prepared east-oriented EB mod
* AtS = "Activate the Script!" - what you should do, always.
* BI = Barbarian Invasion, datadisk to RTW
* BOT = Back on Topic
* CA = Creative Assembly, the creators of Total War series, or CountArach, a forum member
* CTD = Crash to Desktop
* DBH = DimeBagHo, the man behind XGM
* EB = Europa Barbarorum - the RTW mod
* EBBS = EBBS.txt, Europa Barbarorum Background Script
* EDB = export_descr_building.txt
* EDCT = export_descr_character_traits.txt
* EDU = export_descr_unit.txt
* ExRM = Extended Realism Mod - RTR further improved
* FD = Force Diplomacy, quite useful EB minimod
* FM = Family member
* FOW = Fog of War, unavoidable uncertainty of war, in game limiting your view of areas/units outside your control, could be cleared by spies.
* FTL = For The Lose, i.e. "The above is bad", e.g. "akontistai FTL" = "Akontistai are weak"
* FTW = For The Win, i.e. "The above is good", e.g. "HA FTW!" = "Horse Archers are good!"
* HA = Horse Archers
* IIRC = if I remember correctly
* IMHO = in my humble opinion
* IMO = in my opinion
* KH = Koinon Hellenon, an EB faction
* KTM = Kick to Menu, you try to start up a campaign for instance, and instead of loading the campaign the game kicks you back to the (main) menu
* LOL = laughing out loud, lots of laugter,
* LH = lorica hamata, roman mail armor
* LS = lorica segmentata, late roman armor, mostly otside EB frame
* M2TW = Medieval II: Total War, successor to RTW
* MAA = Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, a famous member of the EB team
* MIC = Military Industrial Complex, basically barracks in EB
* MiNO: Medieval in Name Only, synonym for M2TW - sarcastic forum expression
* MTW = Medieval Total War predecessor to RTW
* QFT = Quoted for the truth - When you quote something to say you concur with whatever someone's saying.
* RL = Real Life, a different from computer game
* RTR = Rome Total Realism - another great RTW mod
* RTW = Rome Total War
* SB = Sacred Band or Sarmatian Bodyguard, EB units, both are very heavy cavalry
* SoV = Spoils of Victory, my EB micro-mod
* (sp.) = spelling, when you are unsure of it
* SSbQ = Safot Sophet bin Quart-Hadast (sp.?), i.e. Carthage, an EB faction
* SSECC = Slingers Solve Everything Camels Can't (can also be abbreviated as SEX because Balearics were paid with women)
* STW = Shogun Total War, the first game in Total War series
* TA = Teleklos Archelaou or Tellos Athenaios, both are famous members of the EB team
* TIC = The Iberian Campaign - RTW mod, preparation for a new release of RTR
* TPC = The Persian Cataphract, famous member of the EB team
* TWC = Total War Center, another RTW forum
* UI = User Interface, i.e. in-game menus and control panels
* VC = Victory Conditions
* WIDUC = When In Doubt, Use Camel
* WWI = World War One, a tragic RL event
* WWII = World War Two, another tragic RL event
* XGM = Extended Greek Mod - another RTW mod


Common expressions

* Black Plague = Macedon, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Blue Death = Baktria, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Boost = applying yourself into another with force, but not too hard. like a bodyslam but gentler. good when applied on girls (various kinds of boost see here)
* Dry Blood Flood = Sweboz, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Hammer and Anvil = a winning strategy, pin the opposing troops with phalanxes and charge them from the rear with your cavalry.
* Hit and Run = another winning strategy (the poor man's one); pelter your opponent with missiles, fall back, rinse and repeat, then mop the survivors with whatever hard hitting troops you have left
* Highground = the best position on the battlefield, that is, the easiest to defend if the opponent decides to go on the offensive; give longer range to missile troops.
* rinse and repeat = an expression used for a (somewhat boring) repetitive actions
* Purple rain = Pahlava, an EB faction if controlled by AI or TPC and becomes too powerful
* Silver Death = Arche Seleukeia, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* Teal Death = Epeiros, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful
* vanilla = a game as shipped by the producer, i.e. without any modifications
* Yellow fever = Ptolemaioi, an EB faction if controlled by AI and becomes too powerful

BTW BOT EB+BI.exe FTW, IMHO :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Marv you should put this up under the title "EB Lingo" (without quotes, of course).

[V.T. Marvin]

Well, it is already there for quite a time (that is why I stated that it 2 years old) see here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?103574). If someone dares to necro it, we might continue further :yes:

[Ibrahim]

....and the bartix, Ibrahim, one must never forget the bartix....

ah, of course. Batix :clown:

[titus agrippa]

Re EB with BI
I have been playing EB with BI since EB 1.2 and I believe it is more challenging. The AI is much more Agro. The down side is some mods dont like the BI exec.

[Madoushi]

I got R:TW off Steam, and I have BI and ALEX installed, but when I try to run them in EB mode, they just crash. I can only run EB under Rome and I have to take out the line that activates the EB mod if I want to play BI or ALEX at all.

[vartan]

I got R:TW off Steam, and I have BI and ALEX installed, but when I try to run them in EB mode, they just crash. I can only run EB under Rome and I have to take out the line that activates the EB mod if I want to play BI or ALEX at all.
RTW isn't available on Steam, only RTW Gold (RTW + BI). How have you BI and ALEX installed separately and RTW alone from Steam?

[Madoushi]

I don't, they are all installed through Steam.

[A Very Super Market]

I can play EB with BI through steam. I suspect you may have made a mistake in the transition from RTW to BI.

[Madoushi]

What do you mean by transition? I don't understand.

[A Very Super Market]

I'm fairly certain that you can't just try to run EB with BI without some modding first.

Download and install this mod first.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?95664-New-installer-for-Europa-Barbarorum-with-Barbarian-Invasion