View Full Version : Small Mafia Game Chinese Zodiac Mafia [Concluded]
Beefy187
03-23-2010, 02:35
http://kkdiscount.com/gif/chinese-zodiac.jpg
Story
High up in the heavens. Twelve animals will meet once a year.
They will party all night, celebrating each others year.
For the past five thousand years or so, everything was peaceful.
Animal appreciated each other. Despite the difference of characteristic and philosophy.
However, one day....
*Knock knock!
"Whos there?"
"It is I my lords! I am the host of this Super friendly Chinese Zodiac meeting!"
"Enter the room... Now what business does a human have? In the middle of our meeting?"
"I have a letter for this meeting. It says.....
I am the member of this meeting. Fear my wrath. We are sick and tired of waiting for our turn. We are going to kill a few of you, so we can have our turn more often."
Twelve animal gasped. Some even screamed. All of them started to look at each other in a different eyes.
"We must find out and punish the traitors." they said as they started to discuss who might be the bad one... Hungry for their blood.
Set up
This is a twelve player classical mafia game with two mafias and ten normal townies.
Players may choose the animal they wish to play. Mafias are going to be determined by random.org after the sign up.
Two mafias may contact each other. And each of them can kill one player per night.
The unique feature of this game is the animal of the day rule. Only player who will get to vote is the animal of the day. Who ever animal of the day casts the vote to will get lynched.
Other player may discuss and advice the animal of the day to vote for players, but they cannot "vote" until it is there turn.
It is up to the animal of the day to decide how the voting should be run for the day. They may just randomly choose a player to lynch. Or they may ask for everyone opinion first before deciding it. Do note that the day phase ends soon as the animal of the day votes (And as soon as the host notices that they have voted.) Once the vote has been placed, it cannot be undone for choose carefully.
Night phases will be 24 hours long from the start of the day phase.
Other then that, it is normal mafia. Usual Org gameroom rules apply. Play nice, be friendly and have fun :yes:
I'm looking for 12 active players who can make this into a fun game.
The game will start from April the 1st. If I don't get player by then....I will start soon as I get enough.
List of signed up players 11/12
Secura
TheFlax
Subotan
Methos
Thermal Mercury
Ibn Khaldun
Jooray
atheotes
AVSM
Jolt
ATPG
Psychonaut
(In order of voting turns)
Tiger (Subotan)
Rabbit (Secura)
Dragon (TheFlax)
Snake (Jooray)
Horse (atheotes)
Lamb (Methos)
Monkey (Thermal Mercury)
Rooster (Psychonaut)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Rat (Ibn- Khaldun)
OX (AVSM)
Townie Role pm
Congratulations (or bad luck for some of you)
You are one of the townies in this game.
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs40/300W/i/2009/015/1/8/Chinese_Zodiac_o_O_by_LinkTerra.png
Many many years ago, the friendly Chinese people picked twelve animal to represent their zodiac calender. You are happy with the Chinese and your animal comrades.
But now, you face the biggest threat.
One... Maybe two of the members have declared to start killing you animals so they can be the only ones that the humans adore... Foolish!
You are worshiped precisely because there are twelve of you. You must fight against this threat.... Give them a harsh punishment and restore the orders of the twelve animals.
Each day, you have the permission to speak in the council of the twelve animals. This continues until your death via lynch or murder. Once you are killed, you must not reveal anything which cannot be taken from the public thread.
Also starting from the tiger, you will get a turn at taking the role of leader of the year. Only the leader of the year has the vote to decide who to lynch. If you are the leader of the year, you may decide how the day will be run. But once the leader casts the bolded vote, it cannot be undone. That voted player will be lynched, and the day will end immediately.
There is a option of no lynch(Again, the day will end soon as they made that choice) and extending the time to 48 hours.
If 24 hours of day phase passes (Or 48 when the leader requests it) with out a vote, no one will get lynched.
Good luck. And have fun.
I really like the sound of this game... insies. :3
:curtain:
Beefy187
03-23-2010, 03:44
Pick a animal Secura
I'm offended you didn't automatically assume I was IN Beefy. I thought what we shared was special and sacred. :sad:
Oh and Dragon please.
:clown:
Ummm... I guess I'll go with my birth year and pick the Rabbit. :3
Beefy187
03-24-2010, 00:58
I'm offended you didn't automatically assume I was IN Beefy. I thought what we shared was special and sacred. :sad:
Oh and Dragon please.
:clown:
I thought you were busy. I didn't want to bother you darling:kiss:
Beefy187
03-26-2010, 00:00
Welcome Methos, Subotan :bow:
Ibn-Khaldun
03-26-2010, 09:33
In as :elephant:
Wait .. there isn't an elephant? Oh well.. I'll be rat then.
Beefy187
03-29-2010, 05:47
Faster we fill the remaining spots, faster we'll get this game going :yes:
If we get the sign ups done now, I can start the game on 1st of April.
I'll join. Like to be the snake, since all the good animals are gone. :mean:
I wouldn't mind if this would start a bit later, but I'll try to be active anyway.
Also, are there any pro-town roles?
Set up
This is a twelve player classical mafia game with two mafias and ten normal townies.
It's a vanilla game, just with a different method of lynching. :3
Okay, I'll read more carefully next time. :embarassed:
Obviously rat and snake are going to be lynched first
Beefy187
04-01-2010, 11:30
I'll join. Like to be the snake, since all the good animals are gone. :mean:
I wouldn't mind if this would start a bit later, but I'll try to be active anyway.
Also, are there any pro-town roles?
Looking at how the sign up is going, its not going to be started just yet.
When do you prefer?
And you don't like horses and dogs? :inquisitive:
It's a vanilla game, just with a different method of lynching. :3
Correct :bow:
Two mafias (1 kill each), and rest are townies.
Two mafias (1 kill each), and rest are townies.
2 die each night? :uhoh:
I could see that being a potential problem.
Open on a day phase, and you will leave the town with an option of either lynching and thus risking the death of a innocent animal in order to find a guilty one (you might get lucky) or they vote no lynch. Either way the town will be left with 7-8 people left. Assuming they lynch and kill another townie, we're down to 6-7, which is reduced again to 4-5 overnight and so-on. And then there's the fact that the mafia can simply manipulate the lynch to remove more town... :P
Open on a night phase and the town might as well not bother! xD
Finding the mafia is going to be difficult in itself unless everyone is debating and nobody lurks, then it might be easier to ascertain what is what. Otherwise it might seem a little too stacked in the mafia's favour, given the two kills per night. I'm sure there's an easy enough way to balance this though.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-02-2010, 09:48
Also, if there are clues in the write up then it might be easier for the town.
Beefy187
04-02-2010, 14:03
12 player game is extremely hard to balance.
1 kill amongst two is hard for mafia.
2 kill is over powered.
So the mafia gets 1 each. When one dies. It should be reduced to one. So work out the connections from there :bow:
They would be no clues in the write up. At least no intentional ones.
And Secura you should hold on to your strategy until the game starts. You wouldn't want to help the town if you're mafia :D
Could the mods move this to the gameroom :bow:
1 kill amongst two is hard for mafia.
I don't think it is, personally, but on second thought it isn't terribly unbalanced, we get a few chances as town. :grin:
Beefy187
04-03-2010, 12:35
What do you guys reckon? 1 kill or 2?
2 kill means 3 wasted lynch opportunity.
Could the mods move this to the gameroom :bow:
We are in a kind of predicament.
johnhugh should have started hosting his game in the last week of March. He has not notified us that we should move the game.
The small games are taking longer than we planned for. There shouldn't be any reason for small games to extend beyond the 24 hour phases. But they have and are therefore competing with the large games for duration.
Beefy187
04-03-2010, 22:39
Ok in that case I'll sit tight and wait :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
04-04-2010, 10:44
One kill per night, Beefy. Let the suspense build. (/advice)
I am willing to serve as a replacement player as needed. :bow:
Beefy187
04-05-2010, 10:21
Ok 1 kill for the two players. Regardless of how many there are left.
Beefy187
04-06-2010, 09:30
Now that the thread is moved to the gameroom. I ask for players to fill up the remaining spot ASAP so we can get this game running faster:bow:
Progress on my part. I've done half the role pms. Other half should be finish in the next few hours.
I'll change the rule to 1 kill per night regardless of remaining mafia. Then we're good to go :yes:
Obviously rat and snake are going to be lynched first
Racist! :no:
And you don't like horses and dogs? :inquisitive:
They are at least not as cool as dragon, tiger, monkey and rat. :mean:
I ask for players to fill up the remaining spot ASAP so we can get this game running faster:bow:
Come on people, sign up already!! :whip:
atheotes
04-06-2010, 13:15
:charge:(Horse)
Ibn-Khaldun
04-06-2010, 23:58
Obviously rat and snake are going to be lynched first
Hey.. wait a minute!!! I'm Rat! I actually propose we lynch Tiger first! Carnivore like he is! :evil:
In, and I shall be the animal which stands under a roof.
Beefy187
04-07-2010, 01:03
In, and I shall be the animal which stands under a roof.
Pigeons?
A Very Super Market
04-07-2010, 01:15
Sounds incredibly odd.
In, as the wincing emoticon animal, "OX"
Beefy187
04-07-2010, 01:19
Yay! Welcome AVSM. I hope you'll like it :yes:
@Jolt.
I'm guessing Rooster. But just to make sure could you tell me which animal you want to be?
I actually propose we lynch Tiger first! Bug carnivore like he is! :evil:
Hahaha, good luck getting Subotan to pick himself as the lynch for the first day. :P
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 08:59
Put me in as the pig, which is my chinese zodiac sign actually.
Beefy187
04-07-2010, 13:05
That character means house. :dizzy2:
That character means house. :dizzy2:
lol
In, as the wincing emoticon animal, "OX"
Heh, I just got this
That character means house. :dizzy2:
Which is composed of the characters Roof and Pig. >_>
The pig which is below the roof. :P
Beefy187
04-07-2010, 23:29
Ah I get it now :P
Sorry Jolt.
Sorry ATPG but you'll have to change your animal :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:34
what do I have left?
Beefy187
04-07-2010, 23:39
Dog and Rooster :yes:
You have 1 spot left correct. Put, me down for it if it is still there.
Beefy187
04-08-2010, 06:07
Sorry to ATPG but since I really want to get this game going, I will random. org the two remaining roles.
The great god of randomness chose ATPG as a dog and Psychonaut as Rooster. Thank you for joining Psychonaut :2thumbsup:
The role pm will go out to everyone shortly. And the game will start with a day phase.
The great god of randomness chose ATPG as a dog.
Who could think this face could be capable of WIFOM?
http://bernesemountaindogblog.com/files/Bernese_Mountain_Dog_1.jpg
Ain't he a cutie? Berner Sennenhund <3
Beefy187
04-08-2010, 06:50
@ Secura: Did a quick search on Rabbit and this is what I got.
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs38/300W/f/2008/327/7/a/chinese_zodiac_tattoo_rabbit_by_cubitsakit.jpg
Fancy that
Fancy that
And what do you mean by that? :P
What the Dickens is she even wearing? It's like she's cosplaying as Lady Sylvanas Windrunner... xD
I actually searched for 'rabbit' myself to see if I could find that pic... I'm unsure what's worse, anthropomorphic rabbits or plastic ones. Google and it's tailor-made searches, huh? :/
Beefy187
04-08-2010, 07:17
My personal favourite is the ox version of that tatoo paint. Ox looks so buff.
Anyway, I'm starting to send out pms and I've made couple of mistakes already. So heres some
- Sent out a pm with spelling mistakes for town pms (Updated town pm is on post 1 of this thread. So use that if you have to)
- Forgot to add a photo to Subotans http://th03.deviantart.net/fs46/300W/i/2009/191/1/a/Chinese_Zodiac___Tiger_by_MPtribe.jpg
This was supposed to go under Tiger
Thats it for now. I think I havn't accidentally sent mafia pms to townies, or accidentally revealed who the mafias are yet. So that is fine for now.
Beefy187
04-08-2010, 08:13
Pm sent out to everyone. If you havn't then please contact me ASAP
Heres a write up to start the game
Night 0
Beefy the Chinese man hosting this council speaking.
Announcement to all you gracious animals :bow:
One hour ago, multiple pandas were attacked by what seems to be the crows.
Hundred and thousands of crows.
We caught one of them and they told me "we were hired by the rebels"
So we'll have to assume that the threat to attack other animals is real and serious.
I would like to ask you mighty animals to solve this problem! Please! We don't want to see another panda or other animals attacked! I beg you!
..................................................................
So the Chinese Man Beefy rushed out the room crying.
Leaving twelve animals looking at each other in astonishment. Shortly mixed with paranoia.
Tiger jumped on the table and shouted.
"It is year of the Tiger this year! So I shall decide who will be lynched!"
Other animals replied
"Dictator!" "Boo!" "We are all equals!!" etc etc
So the Tiger shouted back
"Ok we'll take turns on the leadership role! But today its me! RAWRGG"
Other animals were reasonably satisfied with the system. And started discussing who might be the mafia.....
It is Year of the Tiger! START DAY 1!
Soon as Subotan votes for someone or votes for no lynch in bold Day will finish and night will start.
Otherwise the day will finish in 48 hours for today just to make sure we're all here. and 24 hours from next day onwards.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-08-2010, 09:10
So, after Tiger there will be Rabbit, Dragon, Snake etc?
Yup.
Subotan is today's 'town leader', so to speak.
Should I rule today with an iron fist, or as a benevolent dictator? Either way:
Vote:Monkey
This one of your pranks
Beefy187
04-08-2010, 10:20
Monkey AKA Thermal is lynched. Unless Subo furiously objects.
Once the votes are in, you can't change them incase you didn't know.
So I'll let you change votes just this time.
Oh right, I thought it was like a normal mafia game :sweatdrop:
Since I'm a benevolent dictator, I'll let him live. For now.
Unvote:Monkey
It is up to the animal of the day to decide how the voting should be run for the day. They may just randomly choose a player to lynch. Or they may ask for everyone opinion first before deciding it. Do note that the day phase ends soon as the animal of the day votes (And as soon as the host notices that they have voted.) Once the vote has been placed, it cannot be undone for choose carefully.
Just a reminder of what's what for our feline overlord cute liddle kitty.
https://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9325/tigern3047551.jpg
The guy who guesses which game this is from doesn't get lynched!
The guy who guesses which game this is from doesn't get lynched!
Pffft.
It looks like Black & White... I'd hazard a guess at the second one, don't remember a tiger in the first.
Beefy187
04-08-2010, 12:30
Except Secura is not a guy so she'll still get lynched :beam:
Ok I should shut up now :P
I got it right though?
I had a friend who used to love that game back in high school, never really interested me but I remembered the anthropomorphic animals in it.
Yes, you got it right. I have to look for a new victim now.
I also knew that, am I safe now as well? Or do only women qualify? :shy:
A Very Super Market
04-08-2010, 16:16
I totally knew about it.
I also knew that, am I safe now as well? Or do only women qualify? :shy:
I totally knew about it.
You're all safe too. :yes:
Perhaps our benevolent dictator should just randomly pick someone? Its not like there are many clues on day 1 with only one person who has the power to lynch.
Considering Beefy toned down the amount of kills per turn that the mafia get, a no lynch vote is viable too.
I totally knew about it.
Is that so? But I complete knew about it way before you knew.
But thanks, subo, you rule!
Otherwise, random or No lynch should be the way to go. Though the later hasn't proven to be too effective recently, as far as I can remember.
Considering Beefy toned down the amount of kills per turn that the mafia get, a no lynch vote is viable too.
Yes, but I do recall from Shadow Fort that Subotan hates No Lynch votes, so I wouldn't be counting on that.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 17:43
Considering Beefy toned down the amount of kills per turn that the mafia get, a no lynch vote is viable too.
Scum.
I stated that it was a viable course of action, not the correct one.
Might I add that the stripped tiger is only Black & White 2 pre-orders, so I don't have to die either!
atheotes
04-08-2010, 20:31
I stated that it was a viable course of action, not the correct one.
what difference does it make? stating it as the correct option would make you scum?
I think it is the correct option because we are not pressuring anyone into anything. We can use FOS as a means to pressure people and the voter for the day can decide based off that.
let me get it started... FOS: Secura for being too defensive for no reason.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 22:09
Might I add that the stripped tiger is only Black & White 2 pre-orders, so I don't have to die either!
Look at people scramble to answer the question. Just know when it is my turn, death awaits you. Since I am 9th in the queue, I am sure that makes you tremble with fear.
Look at people scramble to answer the question. Just know when it is my turn, death awaits you. Since I am 9th in the queue, I am sure that makes you tremble with fear.
You're only 9th in queue if everyone before you remains alive, you could come to vote sooner than you think. Or perhaps you didn't want us to think it odd when everyone before you in the order dies a gruesome death? :clown:
Ibn-Khaldun
04-08-2010, 22:30
True randomness just don't lie:
There were 12 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Rabbit (Secura)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Horse (atheotes)
Snake (Jooray)
Monkey (Thermal Mercury)
Rooster (Psychonaut)
Lamb (Methos)
OX (AVSM)
Rat (Ibn- Khaldun)
Tiger (Subotan)
Dragon (TheFlax)
I think I Vote: Secura
Look at people scramble to answer the question. Just know when it is my turn, death awaits you. Since I am 9th in the queue, I am sure that makes you tremble with fear.
Maybe I'll just kill you before you get a chance to lead! Hah!
EDIT: The ingenious Vote: ATPG to prevent people from saying I'm lieing or withholding in voting for people who say they'll kill me!
Yes, but I do recall from Shadow Fort that Subotan hates No Lynch votes, so I wouldn't be counting on that.
Certainly not. Perish the thought
Might I add that the stripped tiger is only Black & White 2 pre-orders, so I don't have to die either!
Yes, you can live too :beam:
what difference does it make? stating it as the correct option would make you scum?
I think it is the correct option because we are not pressuring anyone into anything. We can use FOS as a means to pressure people and the voter for the day can decide based off that.
let me get it started... FOS: Secura for being too defensive for no reason.
FOS's are all you've got buddy
I'm going to log back on tomorrow morning, and I, Emperor of the Tigers, King of Felines, Prince of the Kitties will make a decision, and rip one of you to bits with Tiger claws. It's gonna be grrrrrreat!
If you wish to flex your voting muscle for the phase, Subotan... feel free to utilise it on me, I would have no qualms with that; I cannot be bothered with another game of town fail-logic.
I figure this is the easier option; you'll benefit be you town or mafia and it's either that or I cast my vote on myself tomorrow.
Well I'll base it on what you discuss overnight.
Yes, you got it right. I have to look for a new victim now.
If I was on I would have said black and white :sad:
Also an eagle told me to lynch the OX
Just so you know.
atheotes
04-09-2010, 00:22
FOS's are all you've got buddy
and i want to make sure i use it :shrug:
If you wish to flex your voting muscle for the phase, Subotan... feel free to utilise it on me, I would have no qualms with that; I cannot be bothered with another game of town fail-logic.
I figure this is the easier option; you'll benefit be you town or mafia and it's either that or I cast my vote on myself tomorrow.
Why do you wish to offer yourself for lynch so early?
Why do you wish to offer yourself for lynch so early?
Because I can?
A Very Super Market
04-09-2010, 00:37
Hurry up and kill someone. I don't like Subotan on a power trip
Bah, you're all rubbish at discussing
In that case, Vote:Monkey
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 08:53
Well, there's not much to go off of on the first round. You either pick a name out of a hat, or theorize that someone is mafia based on a day one slip-up, which is pretty rare.
Beefy187
04-09-2010, 15:29
Thermal Mercury AKA Monkey is lynched.
Write up is coming shortly.
Beefy187
04-09-2010, 16:02
Day 1 Summery
After a short discussion, leader of the day; Tiger got bored. So he jumped on the table and shouted
"Its Monkey! Look at him! He has guilty written all over the face!"
Monkey was stunned. He whispered a word or two which was something along the line of 'black and white' then he looked around his colleagues to make a one last defense.
"Guys you know me. You seriously think I would be the one to do this?"
Lynch mob weren't too keen either. Rather then a vote on solid case, this was more of "lets just pick anyone to get this moving"
Tiger shouted "I picked you! And I am the most important animal today so obey me! Grawrl!!"
Humans who are in charged of lynching prepared to charge at the monkey with their weapon of their choice.
Monkey sighed and said... "So be it... But over my cold dead body!"
As humans started to run towards the monkey, bright light and fogs covered monkey, followed by a strong wind.
When it was all over giant creature stood before them. Knocking its chest.
https://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7720/kingkong200508090640292169of.jpg
Humans were no match for the King Kong. With its iron fist and incredible agility, humans went flying across the room. Few at a time.
"Out of my way!"
Heroic Tiger roared and charged at the King Kong, while the other animals blankly watched the fight.
After a few minutes of epic encounter, Tiger came out victorious. And the King Kong was slained.
Animals retreated to their rooms and took a quick nap. Hoping that Monkey was indeed one of the traitor.
Start Night 1. Day 2 will start in 24 hours.
List of live players (In order of turns) 11/12
Rabbit (Secura)
Dragon (TheFlax)
Snake (Jooray)
Horse (atheotes)
Lamb (Methos)
Rooster (Psychonaut)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Rat (Ibn- Khaldun)
OX (AVSM)
Tiger (Subotan)
List of lynched players 1/12
Monkey (Thermal Mercury- Day 1)
I thought you would use:
https://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5177/ape0796905.jpg
Lol, so did I. :P Posting a video of a B&W fight between the gorilla and the Stripped Tiger would have been Insta-win.
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 19:53
Any indication of guilt or innocence in the writeups, Beefy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e6kNXFTaP4
atheotes
04-09-2010, 21:16
Bah, you're all rubbish at discussing
In that case, Vote:Monkey
why did you choose Monkey?
Any indication of guilt or innocence in the writeups, Beefy?
Innocence is the only possibility
Beefy187
04-10-2010, 00:11
Any indication of guilt or innocence in the writeups, Beefy?
Nope. I just tried to reflect how the discussion went on the day. If you find any clues in the write up, its either accidental or its not a clue.
Nope. I just tried to reflect how the discussion went on the day. If you find any clues in the write up, its either accidental or its not a clue.
So you won't be informing us whether the person lynched was town or mafia? Bah.
So did you choose TM, because he bet you in B&W 2, Subo? :laugh4:
Beefy187
04-10-2010, 01:08
So you won't be informing us whether the person lynched was town or mafia? Bah.
Correct.
So did you choose TM, because he bet you in B&W 2, Subo? :laugh4:
Yes. Also because Black ad White 2 was very bad.
Black and White? Never played it... [runs and hides from the geek backlash]
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 05:46
Is it still night phase, and if so, why?
Beefy187
04-11-2010, 06:53
Is it still night phase, and if so, why?
I got extremely confused.
Has it been 24 hours?
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 06:58
04-09-2010 11:02
Today (04-11-2010) 01:53
Well past 24 actually. Past 36 even.
Now I am forced to look at some inactive players and wonder what the hold up is really caused by.
Beefy187
04-11-2010, 07:48
I checked the time for my day 1 write up. And it said yesterday 12 oclock.
So I got confused. Orders were in long time ago.
And if I may make excuses we're in the middle of house moving and I'm in middle of organizing time table for Uni.
Anyhow write up coming shortly.
Beefy187
04-11-2010, 08:23
Night 1 write up
After the lynching of the monkey, animals partied around and fooled around as always.
Tigers chasing around rat and rabbit, Dragon boosting about how awesome he is while naive sheeps believes him. Rooster and snake were in the middle of an mortal combat while dog and horse sat around talking about some of the famous masters they served. Ox and Pig? Well obviously they are argueing which meat tastes better.
Animals got tired and one by one they retreated to their respectable rooms.
Even tireless Rabbit was too tired tonight. She had to get drunk just to get in the mood of partying. Despite what he might've been, Monkey has been along side the other animals for many many centuries. It was impossible to pretend that nothing happened.
By the time rabbit got back to her room, she felt her body weight like stone. She just could not hold steady.
"I must be real tired. Or completely drunk" she thought to her self and slipped in bed. Immediately falling in a deep sleep.
.................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .............................................................................................
Then she woke up. Still feeling as if she was hit by a sledgehammer.
She tried to move. With little success. She looked around and saw silver around her.
"Guess whats for supper Rabbit"
said an familiar voice.
With out any time to reply someone started to pour water.
When the rabbit was soaked until her neck voice spoke again.
"I want rabbit stew."
.................................................................................................... .............................................................................................
Rabbits in the living world sensed the danger that their master was about to face.
They all started running to the council, but stopped by a massive horde of crows.
"Let us pass! Our master is in danger!" begged the rabbits.
Crows nodded and flew up in the sky. Then few seconds later they returned. This time to attack the poor creatures.
"Nooo! Don't hurt us!!"
As the rabbits desperately fought of the crows, they sensed their masters death. She screamed and screamed in pain. She couldn't free her self. Instead she turned her self into an tasty rabbit stew.
.................................................................................................... ............
Next morning started with Beefy screaming and Beefy knocking.
"Wake up sir! Wake up sir!! Rabbit is dead! Our beloved Goddess Rabbit is dead!!"
Animals rushed to the scene. They found a large Chinese soup pot with rabbit bones inside. What used to be their friend.
On the bottom of the pot, they found a message made by rabbit in the very last minute.
With her blood she wrote "Avenge me."
Animals wasn't at all pleased. They announced the Dragon as the leader of the day and demanded to lynch who ever is responsible for this cruel murder.
Start Day 2: TheFlax (Dragon) has 24 hours to decide todays lynch.
List of live players (In order of turns) 10/12
Dragon (TheFlax)
Snake (Jooray)
Horse (atheotes)
Lamb (Methos)
Rooster (Psychonaut)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Rat (Ibn- Khaldun)
OX (AVSM)
Tiger (Subotan)
List of lynched players 1/12
Monkey (Thermal Mercury- Day 1)
List of Murdered players 1/12
Rabbit (Secura- Night 1)
Cos we didn't see that coming... players really have to start learning my place style, it's getting darn irritating having to defend every little nuance of what I say for absolutely no reason whatsoever beyond "durr hurr, scummy". :rolleyes:
I had an awesome role PM though Beefy, thanks for putting alot of effort into it. :3
Ibn-Khaldun
04-11-2010, 08:56
I say we should lynch Subotan for not lynching the mafia.
I say we should lynch Subotan for not lynching the mafia.
How do you know Subotan hasn't already lynched a mafia?
Beefy has stated that the town will not know who is innocent or guilty after lynches, akin to Mafia IX; Thermal might have been scum.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-11-2010, 09:25
As I understood there is only one mafia in this game.
You being killed last night shows that Subotan did not lynch the mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 09:26
As I understood there is only one mafia in this game. You being killed last night shows that Subotan did not lynch the mafia.
Where does the game host say this?
Ibn-Khaldun
04-11-2010, 09:35
Now that I read it it looks like I misunderstood Beefy. :wall:
It's
Ok 1 kill for the two players. Regardless of how many there are left.
Why would anyone want Rabbit stew? Rabbit tastes bad. Have a Pig beef!
It's Horse who's mafia. Horse = Godfather = mafia reference = submlinal placement = mafia.
Beefy187
04-11-2010, 12:43
Cos we didn't see that coming... players really have to start learning my place style, it's getting darn irritating having to defend every little nuance of what I say for absolutely no reason whatsoever beyond "durr hurr, scummy". :rolleyes:
I had an awesome role PM though Beefy, thanks for putting alot of effort into it. :3
Np. I've totally enjoyed writing them :laugh4:
Some of the role pms, aren't as good. But at least they're all different (and funny?) :yes:
Well, considering I'm dead and the PM itself doesn't really give out any details pertinent to the game, you might as well see the juicier 'flavour' parts!
Rabbit
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs48/300W/i/2009/185/b/9/Chinese_Zodiac___Rabbit_by_MPtribe.jpg
List of famous rabbits: Peter Rabbit, Follow the white rabbit (Matrix, Alice in the wonderland), Rabbit (Monty Python and the holy grail),rabbit (Cover page of play boy magazine)
Greetings rabbit
Oo fearsome rabbit. Please o lord. Spare this world and move onto another.
While many underestimate the rabbits, they are one heck of a beast.
First notable feature is that… They love sex. Amount of sex they do per day is the top class of the animal kingdom. Other than that.. You have not many to be proud about.
However, there is many films and books about how awesome you are. Take Monty Python for example. You managed to almost slaughter all the knights if not for the holy grenade. But again… You are not the strongest, tastiest, nicest… best or worst in any of the category but sex. This is what makes rabbit one of the unpopular zodiac members.
You continue to be the faithful member of the animal council. And this could be the chance to hop one step further. If you manage to restore order and catch the scums… you might dominate the spotlight. You’ll be well respected by the human beings.
Go Rabbit. Hop your way to victory!
:laugh4:
Beefy187
04-11-2010, 14:09
Feel free to reveal your pms by the way.
All players got their townie pm followed by their individual pm (which Secura posted). In addition, Mafia got an mafia pm.
As long as Mafia doesn't go mad and post their mafia pm it won't help the townie other then entertaining them selves.
Guess its up to me. I don't have much time today so I'd like your suggestions.
I find the mafia killing Secura pretty interesting. It means they thought Secura would not be lynched, yet she is a much more "controversial" player than many in this game. I'm not sure exactly what this tells us, but its something to bear in mind.
It was the Snake. Snakes eat Rabbits. It's obvious!
It means they thought Secura would not be lynched
You really think so?
I always feel like I'm on a rainslicked precipice when I sign up for a game at the moment, especially if I'm town, as there's a constant fear of everything I say being misconstrued and thus leading to my lynch; thankfully the town hasn't made such a mistake yet, but it's inevitable, you watch. :P
she is a much more "controversial" player than many in this game.
What do you mean? :o
What do you mean? :o
I didn't mean it in a bad way, its just that you seem to attract more attention than many of the players in this game usually do. Killing you during the night phase mean you cannot be mafia, which mean we can now listen to what you say without thinking its some sort of ploy or something scummy, as it seems the norm around here. :clown:
[...] its just that you seem to attract more attention than many of the players in this game usually do.[...]
Well, she is a women in male dominated forum, what do you expect? :clown: (BTW: Not sure what to make of your avatar, Flax. :laugh3: )
Also we seem to not like women around here, that's why you always get killed, Sec. :wink:
Otherwise I can't help you much with your choice of lynch, naturally still very little to go from.
Cos we didn't see that coming... players really have to start learning my place style, it's getting darn irritating having to defend every little nuance of what I say for absolutely no reason whatsoever beyond "durr hurr, scummy". :rolleyes:
I had an awesome role PM though Beefy, thanks for putting alot of effort into it. :3
It's because you were the next one who was to have control of the lynch mechanism. Killing you means they gain control of it sooner.
A Very Super Market
04-11-2010, 19:29
Lynch Subotan for not lynching mafia? It isn't as if we had any productive guesses in the first round.
So far, the suspect list is everybody who is alive. Hrm.
Killing you during the night phase mean you cannot be mafia, which mean we can now listen to what you say without thinking its some sort of ploy or something scummy, as it seems the norm around here. :clown:
Exactly my point, though; I always seem to hover along the scummy line, I'd have thought myself a smokescreen to the mafia themselves. Instead, I'm dead, absolved of culpability and can still aid the town to victory without that pressure. I call that a bad choice, but your mileage may vary.
For your vote, I would make a point of lynching someone rather than withholding from doing so; if you have any suspects, feel free to PM me if you'd like someone to discuss them with. That offer extents to everyone else when their turn as Animal of the Year comes along; I'm more than willing to lend advice from beyond the grave.
It's because you were the next one who was to have control of the lynch mechanism. Killing you means they gain control of it sooner.
I'll admit, this is the principal reason for why I believed I would die; serves me right for being interested in a game because of the mechanics. :<
How do you know Subotan hasn't already lynched a mafia?
Beefy has stated that the town will not know who is innocent or guilty after lynches, akin to Mafia IX; Thermal might have been scum.
I wasn't actually, Subotan made a blunder.
I wasn't actually, Subotan made a blunder.
Ahhh, but nothing actually absolves you of blame beyond your own claims, right?
Ahhh, but nothing actually absolves you of blame beyond your own claims, right?
It does.
It does.
And how is that?
And how is that?
I only lie when I'm mafia, usually, I'm telling the truth though.
there is your proof. :smiley:
Just got back and will be on for one hour and a half, after that I have to take a decision or else I'll lose my chance.
I'm tempted to vote for AVSM, comments?
I'm off very soon and there has been no comments so I'll go ahead with it.
Vote: AVSM
Beefy187
04-12-2010, 08:21
Sorry. Got back from Uni just then.
Heres the write up.
Day 2 summery
The all wise and mighty Dragon was on her chair listening to others discussion.
Then randomly he opened his eyes and flew high up in the air, performing couple of nifty flying skills, dropping lightning bolts and other various "Show offs".
Finally she got back to ground level to announce his thought so far.
"Today we shall lynch...."
When Flax saw everyones attention was on him, he decided that it was an good opportunity go flying again just to make sure everyone knows how mighty and awesome she is.
"Hahaha....My apologies.... We shall lynch the Ox today. Any objections?"
There were none. So Flaxy prepared his thunder bolts and took a shot at Ox.
Obviously the Ox wasn't willing to get hit nor die too easily.
He transformed him self to an terrifying creature, and attempted to fight off the Dragon.
"What is that?" someone asked. The creature was that terrifying.
http://faqsmedia.ign.com/faqs/image/ani241.gif
"Miltank" answered the wise dragon. "Its the greatest night mare for those kids who played pokemon gold and silver version. God knows how much trouble they had to beat this pokemon."
Since he couldn't rely on the humans for battles against Gods and Gods, Dragon had a quick thought about strategy. And came up with the best one.
"Lvl 20 Miltank is hard to beat using the available pokemon at that time. But its not too hard to beat with the right pokemon. Go Gyarados! Dragonite! Charizard!"
It was a bloody massacre. Miltank had no chance against three very well trained pokemon. With his last breath Ox screamed out "I am the heir of the Beefy! Lend me your Beefy strength!!"
But alas he was dead before Beefy had the chance to do anything about it.
believe it or not, remaining animals had beef steak as dinner"
Start Night 2! Orders in by 24 hours.
List of alive players 9/12
Snake (Jooray)
Horse (atheotes)
Lamb (Methos)
Rooster (Psychonaut)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Rat (Ibn- Khaldun)
Tiger (Subotan)
Dragon (TheFlax)
List of Lynched Players 2/12
Monkey (Thermal Mercury- Day 1)
OX (AVSM- Day 2)
List of Murdered players 1/12
Rabbit (Secura- Night 1)
I wasn't actually, Subotan made a blunder.
I didn't see you bursting with ideas about who to lynch.
Not sure if I agree with that lynch...
Not sure if I agree with that lynch...
Well, he was kinda left alone with the choice. I would have chosen kinda randomly as well.
Not to be presumptuous, but I think we are seeing one of the disadvantages of the new voting set-up, even less discussion as there normally is. :shrug:
Ibn-Khaldun
04-12-2010, 18:13
Not sure if I agree with that lynch...
And why not? Because TF killed your mafia partner?
I'm off very soon and there has been no comments so I'll go ahead with it.
Apologies, Flaxy... I've had an account problem for the last twenty-four hours and was unable to post entirely, which was as frustrating as you can imagine, really. I was watching the thread and antagonisingly refreshing to see if my problem had been fixed. Again, apologies.
I would have suggested AVSM or Pizza for the lynch anyway, so I think you made a decent choice.
As I said before, if anyone wishes to discuss suspicions and such with me, feel free to throw some PMs my way, I'll be certain to reply.
Not sure if I agree with that lynch...
There isn't much to agree with or disagree with that lynch, it was a judgement call based on very little information. :shrug:
Apologies, Flaxy... I've had an account problem for the last twenty-four hours and was unable to post entirely, which was as frustrating as you can imagine, really. I was watching the thread and antagonisingly refreshing to see if my problem had been fixed. Again, apologies.
I would have suggested AVSM or Pizza for the lynch anyway, so I think you made a decent choice.
As I said before, if anyone wishes to discuss suspicions and such with me, feel free to throw some PMs my way, I'll be certain to reply.
No problem, as you more or less said, it wouldn't have changed much. I definately endorse the idea that we listen with attention to people who have been night killed, not that their judgement is necessarily better, but we are sure they are town.
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 19:40
And why not? Because TF killed your mafia partner?
How does this make any sense? We don't know if AVSM was guilty or not, and even if he were, why would his mafia partner say such a thing to us? You know Ibn, you have said some strange things this game. I want to chalk it up to townie naivete, because such odd/wrong statements usually come from innocents, but these statements are like little red herrings which are very distracting.
I didn't see you bursting with ideas about who to lynch.
I suggested the OX, which has oh so coincidentally been lynched right now.
So I was.
How could you expect me to cast a lynch on the first round with perfect knowledge that somebody was a mafioso? In this set up that is impossible, and now that you're saying that it isn't and criticising me for lynching you is downright suspicious.
I suggested the OX, which has oh so coincidentally been lynched right now.
Why did you suggest AVSM for the lynch?
How could you expect me to cast a lynch on the first round with perfect knowledge that somebody was a mafioso? In this set up that is impossible, and now that you're saying that it isn't and criticising me for lynching you is downright suspicious.
I wasn't expecting you to beable to pick accurately on the first round, I just thought I'd inform you that it was a bad decision, its not like I went mad at you.
If I'm that suspicious maybe you ought to lynch me...
...wait you already did...
No specific reason for the OX, he just looked funny, theflax clearly agreed. But I did suggest someone and Subotan seems to put that to one side very quickly.
No specific reason for the OX, he just looked funny, theflax clearly agreed. But I did suggest someone and Subotan seems to put that to one side very quickly.
Flaxy clearly felt that AVSM was somewhat suspicious, something that I would agree on and would probably have voted that way myself had I survived the first night.
However, AVSM didn't look quite so suspect in the first round, did he? Whereas, for example, Pizza and atheotes all essentially pointed out that I was scummy, and I would likely have been a better option for a lynch, hence me actively suggesting it.
How come you didn't suggest me too? And, come to think of it, how come Subotan didn't lynch me either?
Beefy187
04-13-2010, 10:24
Night 2 summery
World is in great shape.
On the upper world, we have the animals fighting amongst each other.
The council of animals which had the iron bond was about to collapse from paranoia and hatred.
Then in the lower world.... Crows are seemingly bullying the animals. Claiming the position of the so called king of animals.
Humans are terrified and lost on what to do, while the other animals can only do buy to hide in terror.
It is my destiny to be the bright hope. As the bird who ends the night. Bringing morning to the earth.
Rooster thought of all this. Then decided to forget it once.
He wasn't some silly chicken like the rest. He could remember things way beyond three steps if he wished to.
But he tends to forget it on purpose just so he can think again from fresh perspective.
This time around, he was thinking of the strategy to over come this fight with the crows and those behind them.
He was thinking of asking the penguins and pigeons for help. Falcons tends to be too proud and arrogant to help.
As he was thinking that, he was suddenly attacked by a giant Chinese pot, knocking him unconscious.
.................................................................................................... ....................
His death followed shortly after.
Someone stuck him on the top of the barn, as if his an weather vane.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/4027572602_35c142d867.jpg
Beefy found the Rooster few hours later.
He screamed. Then everyone else found out.
As the animals went to the meeting room furiously, desperate for revenge. Snake got up on the table and started the discussion.
I'm suspicious of people who ask for a lynch. Either it's because they want to die because they're scum, and some nasty mechanism wil be activated if they're lynched, or they're innocent, and the mafia will snuff them out anyway.
If Horse and Rat don't die tonight they are guilty.
Beefy187
04-13-2010, 10:43
Write up is done :bow:
Start Day 3! 24 hours till night
Snake. Your up!
Oh yesssss, bow it front of me, inferior animalssss. :crowngrin:
Also:
If Horse and Rat don't die tonight they are guilty.
What makes you think that and is this a call for a lynch of one of them?
Any thoughts anybody else? I'll have a look at the thread later and see what I can dig up, but any suggestions are very welcome.
Oh yesssss, bow it front of me, inferior animalssss. :crowngrin:
Also:
What makes you think that and is this a call for a lynch of one of them?
Any thoughts anybody else? I'll have a look at the thread later and see what I can dig up, but any suggestions are very welcome.
It's the dog! Dog eats both Rabbits and Chicken!
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 11:27
It's the dog! Dog eats both Rabbits and Chicken!
Vote for Jolt, he's obviously framing me.
SEE I TOLD YOU! It is Rat and he killed the Rooster! Ibn- Khaldun I'm watching you Mr. Rat Mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 12:20
SEE I TOLD YOU! It is Rat and he killed the Rooster! Ibn- Khaldun I'm watching you Mr. Rat Mafia.
I am afraid I don't follow your reasoning, please explain.
I am afraid I don't follow your reasoning, please explain.
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If Horse and Rat don't die tonight they are guilty.
!!!!!!!!! =)
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 12:43
-------->
!!!!!!!!! =)
Being able to predict who does and doesn't get murdered is actually more evidence that you're scum than anything else.
Being able to predict who does and doesn't get murdered is actually more evidence that you're scum than anything else.
Lol. Except this is a small game. So now I've been proven innocent. =)
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 13:03
I have also been proven innocent, using the same non-logic.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 14:21
Uh, whoops.... you're dead aren't you, Psychonaut? :embarassed:
Okay, I withdraw my moronic suspicions and shut up for a while now.
I have also been proven innocent, using the same non-logic.
Well, Psycho is cleared for being killed during the night, however he is not helping with his gibberish. :no:
BTW: Where is Methos? Any objections to a lurker lynch? This game is just far too easy for a mafia to lurk to victory. :shrug:
atheotes
04-13-2010, 14:40
]Bah, you're all rubbish at discussing
In that case, Vote:Monkey
why did you choose Monkey?
Care to answer? :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 14:43
Well, Psycho is cleared for being killed during the night, however he is not helping with his gibberish. :no:
BTW: Where is Methos? Any objections to a lurker lynch? This game is just far too easy for a mafia to lurk to victory. :shrug:
I checked and Methos is online. Provided he shows up here, I'd imagine he's still following the game.
atheotes
04-13-2010, 14:45
Just got back and will be on for one hour and a half, after that I have to take a decision or else I'll lose my chance.
I'm tempted to vote for AVSM, comments?
Sorry, i was away during the weekend.
Why were you tempted to vote AVSM?
I checked and Methos is online. Provided he shows up here, I'd imagine he's still following the game.
Alright, that's all I'm asking for. After all no sense in loosing a day (he's up after atheotes, so quite soon) only because he doesn't show up.
Sorry, i was away during the weekend.
Why were you tempted to vote AVSM?
Because he hadn't been very helpful or present, in my opinion. That said, it was nothing more than a judgement call based on having nearly no info.
After all no sense in loosing a day (he's up after atheotes, so quite soon) only because he doesn't show up.
I lost a day because I showed up... ¬_¬
I still mantain you should lynch Rat.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-13-2010, 15:29
And I think Psycho-Rooster should find a new target. I am confirmed townie.
I mean, look how cute I am:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:S31c3xErmZWeHM:http://www.thehealthculture.com/img/lab-rat.jpg
I suspect it is the Dog who is guilty!
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 15:36
confirmed townie, eh? Suspecting me, eh?
Kill the rat.
Well I'm thinking of going with the choice of the two confirmed townies at this point. I asked Secura for her take on the situation and she agreed with me that Methos would be a worthy lynch. However he showed up now and though that won't clear him, I guess it'd be unfair to lynch him anyway. But I suggest you be more active in the future, Methos.
Anyway, that leaves Psychos suspicions on the rat. Any mayor objections to that? Other than that you are cute, Ibn. :wink:
Lynch Ibn-Khaldun; nobody is confirmed townie in this game if they're still alive.
Anyway, that leaves Psychos suspicions on the rat. Any mayor objections to that? Other than that you are cute, Ibn. :wink:
I am a mayor and I object! :clown:
On a more serious note I'd like to point out that Ibn is often seen as scummy ang generally turns out to be a townie. I'm not saying he's innocent, just that he's acting normally, in my opinion. Carry on.
He stated that he was "confirmed townie"; that's not possible unless he's been night-killed.
Even a lynch doesn't absolve someone of culpability.
All true, it just doesn't mean much to me coming from him. :shrug:
Then again, I don't have a better candidate, so...
Ibn-Khaldun
04-13-2010, 17:20
He stated that he was "confirmed townie"; that's not possible unless he's been night-killed.
Even a lynch doesn't absolve someone of culpability.
If you want confirmation then let me live in peace and hope that mafia kills me this night.
rats aren't cute, blasted vermin.
If you want confirmation then let me live in peace and hope that mafia kills me this night.
Assuming that you are not mafia, why would they kill you after reading this?
By killing you, you would be absolve of any blame, yes, but it also removes the smokescreen that the mafia would currently have. They need to keep suspect players alive, really.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-13-2010, 18:03
Well, for me it's a win-win situation. You don't lynch me now and mafia don't kill me later. Perfect! :tongue:
Well, for me it's a win-win situation. You don't lynch me now and mafia don't kill me later. Perfect! :tongue:
Indeed, it is, but consider the other way; what if you are mafia and we let you go?
And what about your lynch opinion? What leads you to believe that Pizza is mafia? :3
Well, for me it's a win-win situation. You don't lynch me now and mafia don't kill me later. Perfect! :tongue:
Yeah, for you that may be, but for the town there is no win in there.
Hence I assume we are agreed on this and so I won't prolong this any longer and Vote: Ibn-Khaldun.
Yeah, for you that may be, but for the town there is no win in there.
Yup.
If Ibn is mafia, he carries on killing, if he is town he shields the mafia by continuing to be a suspect.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-13-2010, 18:31
Yup.
If Ibn is mafia, he carries on killing, if he is town he shields the mafia by continuing to be a suspect.
Well, I suggest you to find another suspect then.
Why I think ATPG is mafia? A gut feeling.
atheotes
04-13-2010, 18:48
On first read Ibn looked scummy... but i am not sure it is the case. the more i think about the less i think he is scum. But he is lynched now...atleast he will not be used as a shield.
Beefy187
04-13-2010, 22:43
Ibn is lynched.
But unfortunately I won't have time to do the write up for a while. So please wait patiently :bow:
Beefy187
04-14-2010, 14:53
Got back just then..
And I'm really tired sorry... I'll just start the night phase and post the write up when I wake up tomorrow.
Beefy187
04-14-2010, 23:09
Day 3 Summery
The discussion was heated.
Some stood for and some stood against. But eventually, with Psychonauts dying message, and the blatant specieizm (Animal equivalent of racism) rat was chosen as todays lynch.
"No its not me! Its the Dog!" he whined. But Snake had a different opinion.
"You're guilty Rat!"
Even the dead Rabbit and Monkey nodded to support this. "Rats are vermins."
"So be it." rat started to transform into his battle form, as lynch supporters prepared to counter him.
"I am the lord by God. Thou shalt have no other God before me!"
First up was the rat from Hitch Hikers guide to the galaxy. The secret overlord of this world.
"I am the God of humans! Humans obey me!!"
At first none seemed to do so, but when the rat turned into his second form, they all rushed at the Snake and others who prepared to attack the rat.
"Pika pi!"
http://img.listal.com/image/888967/500full-pokemon-artwork.jpg
Pikachu was the proof that the rat has the control over the world.
Despite being the rat, Pikachu won its rightful place of being one of the most popular character in the world.
Probably the close second Doraemon was terminated by the rats (Originally yellow with ears . Rat ate his ears, and replaced him with Pikachu)
Once the humans were under complete mind control, rat turned him self into his final form.
http://images.free-extras.com/pics/m/mickey_mouse_disney-1103.jpg
He was invincible in this form. Those who wanted the lynch was slowly getting pushed back.
Disney theme song was echoing in the room. They expected the lynch to fail...
Snake shouted. "Guys! We can use some help here! Do you want to lynch him or not?"
Unwillingly all remaining animals started to fight, fending off the humans. Snake crawled right in front of the now invincible Mickey Mouse and charged.
Two animals rolled on the ground, trying to kill each other. Mickey Mouse attempted to turn the Snake into something Disney, but snake dodged. And managed to take a miraculous bite. Injecting all poison on the Fictional character. The poison wasn't deadly, but it was enough to cancel the mind control on the humans, and canceling his magical powers. As he turned back to a normal, dirty and small mouse.
"NOW!"
All the animals jumped on the rat. tearing him apart. Alas the mighty rat was no more.
As the animals nodded each other as they recognized the team work. They went back to their rooms hoping that all this was over.
List of alive players 7/12
Horse (atheotes)
Lamb (Methos)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Tiger (Subotan)
Dragon (TheFlax)
Snake (Jooray)
List of Lynched Players 2/12
Monkey (Thermal Mercury- Day 1)
OX (AVSM- Day 2)
Rat (Ibn Khaldun- Day 3)
List of Murdered players 2/12
Rabbit (Secura- Night 1)
Rooster (Psychonaut- Night 2)
Beefy187
04-14-2010, 23:20
I believe the night should be over too.
Since the orders are in I'll post the night phase.
Night 3 Summery
One of Beefys many hobby was watching a movie.
He prefers newer movies, he enjoyed the old classics every now and then.
Tonight was that night. Watching a film made before he was even born.
"Dadada dadadada dada~ dadada~" he hummed to him self.
He thought to him self, if there was anyone who could figure out what his humming just from reading that, either that fellow is a genious or that fellow knows exactly whats going to happen in the next few hours.
Heres a hint Horse and Mafia.....
After he finished the first film, he went to sleep. Hoping to see the second and third film on the following day.
He woke up and then prepared to take a morning patrol to make sure no more animals are dead.
He found his hands strangely wet. He forced his sleepy eyes to gaze at his hands.
Blood.... Lots of blood was on it.
He didn't scream. He embarrassed him self enough already for screaming and crying every single opportunity.
He checked his hands to see if theres any cuts on it. None. Blood was all over his body, when he took off the bed cover he found the source.
This time he screamed. Head of the dead horse. Which used to belong to the mighty horse no doubt.
http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/Pictures/Pictures/Godfather14cWoltzHorse.jpg
In less then a minute all animals assembled in Beefys room. And headed off to find this cold hearted murderer who continuously scares poor beefy and kills their comrades.
List of alive players 6/12
Lamb (Methos)
Dog (ATPG)
Pig (Jolt)
Tiger (Subotan)
Dragon (TheFlax)
Snake (Jooray)
List of Lynched Players 2/12
Monkey (Thermal Mercury- Day 1)
OX (AVSM- Day 2)
Rat (Ibn Khaldun- Day 3)
List of Murdered players 3/12
Rabbit (Secura- Night 1)
Rooster (Psychonaut- Night 2)
Horse (atheotes- Night 3)
Start Day 4! Lamb! Your up!
Dun. Dun. Dun!
(Also you've listed Ibn Khaldun as both alive and dead. :bow:)
We have to choose carefully, 2 or 3 lynches left, depending if we get at least one mafiosi before the endgame. I'd love Secura, Psychonaut and atheotes to give their inputs, being the only confirmed innocents.
Saying atheotes and innocent in the same sentence feels wrong. :clown:
Hey I'm innocent!
But not confirmed by a third party, aka being killed at night.
Right, so our remaining players in order of vote are:
Methos
Pizza
Jolt
Subotan
Flaxy
Jooré Amidala
I'm not entirely sure why, but I don't get a good vibe about you in this game, Flaxy.
I'm not entirely sure why, but I don't get a good vibe about you in this game, Flaxy.
I can't really field a good defense against your gut feeling. :clown:
If 2 out of 3 of the night killed say I should be lynched, then I suggest Methos votes accordingly and I'll go down peacefully. It is my belief that if for every of the 2 to 3 lynches we have left, we should follow the recommendation of the night killed, everyone else is suspect.
I can't really field a good defense against your gut feeling.
It's just that you're extremely helpful towards the town cause, above and beyond the other players; it reminds me of something Sasaki said to me in Dethy II about such actions.
I'm not necessarily saying that you're scum, but I'm unsure why you haven't been killed yet considering.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 01:04
It's just that you're extremely helpful towards the town cause, above and beyond the other players; it reminds me of something Sasaki said to me in Dethy II about such actions.
I'm not necessarily saying that you're scum, but I'm unsure why you haven't been killed yet considering.
Wasn't he saying it about you, and weren't you townie?
It's just that you're extremely helpful towards the town cause, above and beyond the other players; it reminds me of something Sasaki said to me in Dethy II about such actions.
I'm not necessarily saying that you're scum, but I'm unsure why you haven't been killed yet considering.
ATPG can possibly vouch for me in that regards, its my normal personality. I'm a townie at heart. I also usually die in the first few night when I'm not scum and I have never been lynched when innocent, so I can see why you are suspicious. My theory was that you were killed first night to somewhat frame me, except it wasn't brought up. See, your death moves me up from third to second on the lynch-decider track. Since I've done my lynch decision, I've fallen at the end of that queue, so mafia has targeted other people to probably move up their place in the queue. That's pretty much my read on the situation.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 01:14
ATPG can possibly vouch for me in that regards, its my normal personality.
Woah, hold on there Flaxie. I do remember you in Boudica's game where you were mafia and you act pretty much the same.
I'm a townie at heart. I also usually die in the first few night when I'm not scum and I have never been lynched when innocent, so I can see why you are suspicious.
Past games are a bad focus for this game. It feels like you're trying to explain yourself against the most baseless accusation, and your defense is meandering into trivia that has nothing to do with it.
My theory was that you were killed first night to somewhat frame me, except it wasn't brought up.
A very strange theory, then, wouldn't you say?
It is my belief that if for every of the 2 to 3 lynches we have left, we should follow the recommendation of the night killed, everyone else is suspect.
I feel like you're pulling a WIFOM with your "if 2 of 3 dead people" line. That seems designed specifically to WIFOM them into not requesting your lynch. I don't believe I've ever seen you play such head games before.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 01:16
In spite of my reservations about Flax, I'd like to point out how much Subotan is avoiding this thread. That's worse than what Flax is doing.
Wasn't he saying it about you, and weren't you townie?
Indeed, he was; it wasn't my pro-town posts that were necessarily scummy though, but more the manner in which I defended myself against his accusations, I think.
I'm a townie at heart.
Well I can relate to that, as you can see in Shakespearean Mafia... one whisper from ToM and I decided to try to play town.
My theory was that you were killed first night to somewhat frame me, except it wasn't brought up. See, your death moves me up from third to second on the lynch-decider track.
This is dripping with wine. :3
In spite of my reservations about Flax, I'd like to point out how much Subotan is avoiding this thread. That's worse than what Flax is doing.
The lovely Subotan's turn is coming up soon, good sir!
Woah, hold on there Flaxie. I do remember you in Boudica's game where you were mafia and you act pretty much the same.
Exactly. I consistantly try to be helpful. I'm not saying that to be absolved, I'm just saying I'm not acting special.
Past games are a bad focus for this game. It feels like you're trying to explain yourself against the most baseless accusation, and your defense is meandering into trivia that has nothing to do with it.
If you say so, what should I be explaining then?
A very strange theory, then, wouldn't you say?
Except you brought it up on MSN, I had been thinking that ever since it happened, but since it was never brought up, I decided to ignore it.
I feel like you're pulling a WIFOM with your "if 2 of 3 dead people" line. That seems designed specifically to WIFOM them into not requesting your lynch. I don't believe I've ever seen you play such head games before.
I still stand by that, I believe in the judgement of my very dead and innocent peers.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 01:43
The lovely Subotan's turn is coming up soon, good sir!
Turn as in, his voting turn, or his turn to be voted?
Turn as in, his voting turn, or his turn to be voted?
My attentions will move onto Subotan once/if I'm satisfied with Flaxy's responses.
Both of us have pointed out WIFOM in his posts, after all.
My attentions will move onto Subotan once/if I'm satisfied with Flaxy's responses.
Both of us have pointed out WIFOM in his posts, after all.
Let's face it, you both just can't have enough Flax and I'm flattered really. You even say I brought wine to the party! I was just being honest. Now, I feel its time to take a little break in our relationship, I mean we've been taking most of the round in this discussion while Jolt, Subotan, Methos and Jooray haven't even said a peep. Could we please take a look at them? (Okay Methos won't vote himself, but the others are fair game.) After that, I guarantee I'll still be around for you guys to tear me apart. :smile:
I'd love Secura, Psychonaut and atheotes to give their inputs, being the only confirmed innocents.
It is one of the people who are alive.
Well I don't have much to bring to the party.
I'm fine with the suspicions raised so far. Though I wonder if Methos will even show up for the lynch.
Now I have to go to bed as it is 3:20 a.m. here now. :no:
I'm at work and reading this on my phone. Please continue the discussin as j prefer to make my decision based off of options rather then just toend it as it appears others have.
Short analysis of the posts of Jolt, Jooray and Subotan: (Your mileage may vary)
Jolt:
Day1:
#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466056&viewfull=1#post2466056): Talks about Black and White 2, not game relevant.
#78 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466143&viewfull=1#post2466143): Joke post reply to ATPG, advocating the death of the latter lightheartedly.
Night 1:
#92 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466575&viewfull=1#post2466575): More Black and White 2.
Day 2:
#114 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2467447&viewfull=1#post2467447): Jokey, says pig (himself) should be killed because he tastes better.
#120 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2467586&viewfull=1#post2467586): Still not serious, say snake (Jooray) ate rabbit (Secura), not very constructive.
Night 2:
Nothing
Day 3:
#152 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468749&viewfull=1#post2468749): Still talking about which animal would be eaten by which. Still no serious.
Night 3:
Nothing
Day 4:
Nothing
Jooray:
Day 1:
#64 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465879&viewfull=1#post2465879): Joking, reference to Black and White.
#69 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465998&viewfull=1#post2465998): Joke, but makes a helpful recommendation on how Subotan should proceed for the lynch.
Night 1:
#99 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466828&viewfull=1#post2466828): Jokey reference to previous day lynch.
Day 2:
#123 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2467674&viewfull=1#post2467674): Still lighthearted, finishes by saying he has nothing to add.
Night 2:
#137 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468163&viewfull=1#post2468163): Sympathizes with me concerning my lynch choice for Day 2, points out the weakness of this lynch system. Constructive, but not very helpful.
Day 3:
#151 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468744&viewfull=1#post2468744): His turn to lynch, happy. Asks for suggestions. Good.
#161 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468846&viewfull=1#post2468846): Reminds Psychonaut's night killed status to ATPG, goes after Methos for being the lurker of the game.
#165 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468859&viewfull=1#post2468859): Concerned about losing a day if Methos doesn't show up.
#172 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468890&viewfull=1#post2468890): Talked to Secura who agrees to killing Methos, but because Methos showed up, doesn't go for the lynch. Focuses on Ibn instead.
#182 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2469015&viewfull=1#post2469015): Goes for Ibn lynch with support from Secura and Psychonaut.
Night 3:
Nothing
Day 4:
#207 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2470075&viewfull=1#post2470075): Says he has nothing to add, shows up nevertheless.
Subotan:
Day 1:
#55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465808&viewfull=1#post2465808): Starts off with a random vote against TM, but its normal for day 1.
#57 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465814&viewfull=1#post2465814): Unvotes due to clarification that a vote is final.
#59 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465829&viewfull=1#post2465829): Asks people to guess the origin of an image to avoid being lynched.
#63 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465860&viewfull=1#post2465860): More image talk (Black and White).
#66 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2465989&viewfull=1#post2465989): Again.
#79 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466147&viewfull=1#post2466147): Says he won't go with No Lynch, more image reference and says he'll return later to lynch.
#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466161&viewfull=1#post2466161): Says he'll base his lynched on what is discussed overnight.
#87 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466359&viewfull=1#post2466359): Comes back to say the discussing is pointless and votes TM.
Night 1:
#91 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466569&viewfull=1#post2466569): Another image of Black and White.
#94 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466714&viewfull=1#post2466714): And a video of the same game.
#101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2466956&viewfull=1#post2466956): More Black and White.
Day 2:
#124 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2467687&viewfull=1#post2467687): Gives a possible explanation of why Secura was killed.
Night 2:
#135 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468050&viewfull=1#post2468050): Defends his lynch choice against TM.
#143 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468400&viewfull=1#post2468400): Defends his lynch choice against TM.
#148 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-In-Play&p=2468733&viewfull=1#post2468733): Suspicious of people who ask for a lynch + explanation.
Day 3:
Nothing
Night 3:
Nothing
Day 4:
Nothing
This should give a clearer picture of those three, hopefully.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 03:43
Subotan's behavior feels like little more than boosting one's post count for the game, followed by hardcore lurking. Nothing remotely constructive, and then very deliberate avoidance.
Subotan's behavior feels like little more than boosting one's post count for the game, followed by hardcore lurking. Nothing remotely constructive, and then very deliberate avoidance.
I agree that of the three he seems the less consistent while not contributing much. Jolt also didn't really contribute, but his posts are more regular, while Jooray seems to be trying at least.
atheotes
04-15-2010, 04:39
@ Flax - Any reason why you did not analyze ATPG's posts?
@ Flax - Any reason why you did not analyze ATPG's posts?
I was wondering that myself.
@atheotes: Why do you think you were killed?
My advice. Do not listen to me. I am only here to disrupt your thought processes. =)
Oh and Subo doesn't seem guilty, but some pressure against him may be a good idea.
After that, I guarantee I'll still be around for you guys to tear me apart. :smile:
Well, you won't still be around if Methos decides to lynch you; you're not doing a fantastic job of convincing me that you're innocent.
I agree that of the three he seems the less consistent while not contributing much. Jolt also didn't really contribute, but his posts are more regular, while Jooray seems to be trying at least.
Of the three people that you mentioned, Jolt's irregular posting strikes me as the most curious; he has been posting fervently in Shadow Fort even though he's dead, yet has not found the time to make a single post here for some phases. I don't know if this is indicative of his general mafia style, but considering how ballsy he was as town in that game (to the point of breaking the rules, no?), I do have to wonder.
I generally find that Methos is not an active player in most mafia games, whether he be town or scum, so there's no real indicators as to his guilt or lack thereof; lurker, yes, but something more? Can't be too certain.
Subotan sets off some alarm bells, yes, but there's a fundamental mistake by the mafia that just doesn't seem like something he'd do. On the first day phase I offered myself as a lynch, and if he was mafia he could have seized on that with the effect being twofold; firstly he removes a player from the game that was perhaps looking slightly scummy and thus gets away with it; secondly he removes a very big threat by ensuring that because I was lynched, the town wouldn't listen to anything I had to say.
If he was mafia, opting to kill me when he had me literally begging for the lynch would have been a foolish choice to make, or a very gutsy gambit. I'd still keep an eye on him were I alive, but I'd bear that in mind in the same breath.
@ Flax - Any reason why you did not analyze ATPG's posts?
This, a thousand times over; he's just as much a suspect as the rest of you, I'm just having trouble sifting through my thoughts on his posts at 7.40am. xD
I'm curious though; why do you think we both saw WIFOM in your posts, Flaxy? It bears some explanation.
Why kill Secura on Night 1? It doesn't make any sense. She claimed to plan on voting herself, so she would have died anyway. If she didn't vote herself like she said, then it would appear scummy. Possible reasoning....
1. The mafia don't like players who join, but want out.
2. Vote manipulation
3. Her past behavior led them to believe she'd be too difficult to frame
I find Secura's own statements odd in that she expected to be lynched. In my opinion, it was a stupid move. It makes more sense to keep her alive as a possible lynch target. One possible option is Secura is mafia and the plan was to kill herself. She's known to make good advice after death and people would in fact listen to her reasoning. Odd theory, but its possible. I mean no offense Secura, but you didn't fair so good in Shadow Fort as a Turk, so if you were mafia, your group might feel more confident without you.
On Day 3, why didn't Jooray vote me? All I did was state that I was here and I hadn't made a single worthy post the entire game. Instead, he states that Secura (confirmed innocent) suggests he lynch me, but instead he chooses an active player and then suggests I be more active. Possibly setting me up as a future suspect?
Why kill atheotes last night? Possibly the mafia feared his vote choice, or they felt confident I wouldn't vote them. I haven't been active and my continued suspicion of ATPG in every game would make one believe that there is a likely chance I'd vote ATPG.
Another option is future vote control. Remove someone ahead of them in order to speed their control up. Of course this means they put ATPG in command of tomorrows vote, if I don't vote ATPG.
The question then arises if I don't vote ATPG, then who do they feel more confident in control of the vote, ATPG or Jolt?
Granted, I have been moved into the suspicious block, so the mafia could be hoping that I'm the next lynch target. If that is the case and I fail to vote mafia today, then game over.
Why kill Psychonaut? Did the mafia know that he would immediately leap to the conclusion that IbK or atheotes was his killer? I find it interesting that Psychonaut accused both of them after his death and one was lynched and the other murdered. Just curious Psychonaut, but why did you accuse IbK and atheotes? What made you suspect them? More importantly, did someone know you would do that prior to you being murdered?
Sorry for my rambling, but back to the vote control option.
As much as it churns my stomach, I'm inclined to believe that ATPG isn't mafia. He knows I'm biased towards him, so it would be one heck of a risk to put me in control of the vote. My first inclination is to vote ATPG. So, tomorrow that leaves either ATPG or Jolt in control of the vote. So...
Tonights kill: ATPG
Voting: Jolt
Day 5 vote is either Subo or TheFlax
Tonights kill: Not ATPG
Voting: ATPG
Day 5 vote is either Jolt or Subo.
If Secura was an elaborate plot and she is in fact mafia, then going after TheFlax helps keep control of the vote by kills and natural progression. If she went after someone who has the possible chance of gaining control of the vote, then it makes the true mafia more obvious.
Even if Secura really is innocent, I can still see the mafia hesitant to go after a possible vote holder for fear of exposing themselves.
Granted, we can go one step further:
Tonights kill: ATPG
Voting: Jolt
Night 4 kill: Subo or TheFlax
Day 5 vote is either Subo, TheFlax, or Jooray.
The last option is if there is only one mafia left and a bit of a stretch, but its possible. Actually, since Jooray was the last to vote, that means no matter who I vote for, it'll move him up in the line. It also means that every option puts Jooray as a possible voter on Day 5 since I didn't include my own vote in the options above. :embarassed:
I need to go to bed.
My current thoughts are either Subo or Jooray are mafia. I'm still bothered why Jooray didn't lynch me instead.
@Beefy: When do I have to have my vote choice in? Sorry, but more then likely I'll take my full allotted time.
Why kill Secura on Night 1? It doesn't make any sense. She claimed to plan on voting herself, so she would have died anyway. If she didn't vote herself like she said, then it would appear scummy. Possible reasoning....
1. The mafia don't like players who join, but want out.
2. Vote manipulation
3. Her past behavior led them to believe she'd be too difficult to frame
It was an attempt to see who would advocate such behaviour and who would not, an early attempt to gauge scummyness; simple WIFOM. I never had any intentions of lynching myself.
I find Secura's own statements odd in that she expected to be lynched. In my opinion, it was a stupid move. It makes more sense to keep her alive as a possible lynch target.
I expected to be killed, not lynched.
I mean no offense Secura, but you didn't fair so good in Shadow Fort as a Turk, so if you were mafia, your group might feel more confident without you.
What's hilarious is that you don't actually know how much the Turkish victory can be attributed to me, among others.
Who placed enough sufficient WIFOM into the game that ensured Psychonaut survived for enough rounds to bring recruits in? Who, by revealing themselves, ensured that a certain person survived to the end of the game to cast the vote that lost things for the town (I can show the PM from the host about that in the SF thread!)? Who did Joooray contact for assistance in the game, and who then put him in contact and collaborated with Pizza?
I think you're playing my efforts as a Turk down because I died so soon, and it's a little insulting. I was still a decisive factor in the end-game.
On Day 3, why didn't Jooray vote me? All I did was state that I was here and I hadn't made a single worthy post the entire game. Instead, he states that Secura (confirmed innocent) suggests he lynch me, but instead he chooses an active player and then suggests I be more active.
Joooray asked me via Private Message about a list of suspects he had; I felt that it was a fine choice at the time to get rid of a lurker who might just be inactive town but could be scum. You were lucky in that other suspects came to light in the meantime.
If Secura was an elaborate plot and she is in fact mafia, then going after TheFlax helps keep control of the vote by kills and natural progression. If she went after someone who has the possible chance of gaining control of the vote, then it makes the true mafia more obvious.
TheFlax is only the current target; he hasn't fully answered my questions yet. Once I'm satisfied with what he has to say, I will move onto other people; his vote is already gone, so this theory is shot down instantly.
Even if Secura really is innocent, I can still see the mafia hesitant to go after a possible vote holder for fear of exposing themselves.
They will now that you mentioned it. ¬_¬
So the gist of your gib is that the town shouldn't trust me, right? I can shut up if you wish, but that's just playing into mafia hands, Methos, and won't win the game for town.
but considering how ballsy he was as town in that game (to the point of breaking the rules, no?), I do have to wonder.
((I seem to fail to understand how being ballsy and breaking the rules, (which I didn't see), has anything to do with this game. I also am pretty offended by the fact that you seem to be relating that I broke the rules of a game on purpose. Before making such accusations, I'd advise you to spend some of your time reading other games where I was a Pro-Town or normal townie (Especially as your sample of game experience with me is narrowed to one game), and then come back here with your analysis again. Most probably you'll be much more comprehensive and less insulting.))
So, who can eat Horses? Dragons and Tigers of course! Although both are awesome, the Dragon is better, so the Tiger needs to go.
I'm not lurking, I just haven't had anything to say as of late.
Suspicious of people who ask for a lynch + explanation
Is inaccurate. I was suspicious of TM because he was howling at me for me to reveal my reasons for lynching him (He was no better than anyone else, and it was a first day lynch), and he was ranting about how terribly scummy I am for not hitting a mafia on day one. I'm glad I lynched him, because if I'd known what I know, I would have lynched him again.
That said, Flax's analysis of Jolt looks...disconcerting at best, scummy at worst. He really hasn't added anything to game thus far. Scratch that, he posted above me whilst I was posting
((I seem to fail to understand how being ballsy and breaking the rules, (which I didn't see), has anything to do with this game. I also am pretty offended by the fact that you seem to be relating that I broke the rules of a game on purpose. Before making such accusations, I'd advise you to spend some of your time reading other games where I was a Pro-Town or normal townie (Especially as your sample of game experience with me is narrowed to one game), and then come back here with your analysis again. Most probably you'll be much more comprehensive and less insulting.))
Whoa, it wasn't an insult, don't get your knickers in a twist! If anything, it was actually praise!
In my opinion, that was a very courageous risk to take and it is one that ultimately ensured your innocence to the town, but at the risk of being WOG'd. I liked that move, both because it benefitted the Turks but it actually showed a bit of guts... so perhaps you should read the context a little more.
My point was that you were town in Shadow Fort and you frequently posted putting your butt on the line, and that's an admirable trait for a townie; I was comparing that your relative silence in this game thus far, that was all.
I apologise for offending you, however.
Beefy187
04-15-2010, 12:06
Why kill Secura on Night 1? It doesn't make any sense. She claimed to plan on voting herself, so she would have died anyway. If she didn't vote herself like she said, then it would appear scummy. Possible reasoning....
1. The mafia don't like players who join, but want out.
2. Vote manipulation
3. Her past behavior led them to believe she'd be too difficult to frame
I find Secura's own statements odd in that she expected to be lynched. In my opinion, it was a stupid move. It makes more sense to keep her alive as a possible lynch target. One possible option is Secura is mafia and the plan was to kill herself. She's known to make good advice after death and people would in fact listen to her reasoning. Odd theory, but its possible. I mean no offense Secura, but you didn't fair so good in Shadow Fort as a Turk, so if you were mafia, your group might feel more confident without you.
On Day 3, why didn't Jooray vote me? All I did was state that I was here and I hadn't made a single worthy post the entire game. Instead, he states that Secura (confirmed innocent) suggests he lynch me, but instead he chooses an active player and then suggests I be more active. Possibly setting me up as a future suspect?
Why kill atheotes last night? Possibly the mafia feared his vote choice, or they felt confident I wouldn't vote them. I haven't been active and my continued suspicion of ATPG in every game would make one believe that there is a likely chance I'd vote ATPG.
Another option is future vote control. Remove someone ahead of them in order to speed their control up. Of course this means they put ATPG in command of tomorrows vote, if I don't vote ATPG.
The question then arises if I don't vote ATPG, then who do they feel more confident in control of the vote, ATPG or Jolt?
Granted, I have been moved into the suspicious block, so the mafia could be hoping that I'm the next lynch target. If that is the case and I fail to vote mafia today, then game over.
Why kill Psychonaut? Did the mafia know that he would immediately leap to the conclusion that IbK or atheotes was his killer? I find it interesting that Psychonaut accused both of them after his death and one was lynched and the other murdered. Just curious Psychonaut, but why did you accuse IbK and atheotes? What made you suspect them? More importantly, did someone know you would do that prior to you being murdered?
Sorry for my rambling, but back to the vote control option.
As much as it churns my stomach, I'm inclined to believe that ATPG isn't mafia. He knows I'm biased towards him, so it would be one heck of a risk to put me in control of the vote. My first inclination is to vote ATPG. So, tomorrow that leaves either ATPG or Jolt in control of the vote. So...
Tonights kill: ATPG
Voting: Jolt
Day 5 vote is either Subo or TheFlax
Tonights kill: Not ATPG
Voting: ATPG
Day 5 vote is either Jolt or Subo.
If Secura was an elaborate plot and she is in fact mafia, then going after TheFlax helps keep control of the vote by kills and natural progression. If she went after someone who has the possible chance of gaining control of the vote, then it makes the true mafia more obvious.
Even if Secura really is innocent, I can still see the mafia hesitant to go after a possible vote holder for fear of exposing themselves.
Granted, we can go one step further:
Tonights kill: ATPG
Voting: Jolt
Night 4 kill: Subo or TheFlax
Day 5 vote is either Subo, TheFlax, or Jooray.
The last option is if there is only one mafia left and a bit of a stretch, but its possible. Actually, since Jooray was the last to vote, that means no matter who I vote for, it'll move him up in the line. It also means that every option puts Jooray as a possible voter on Day 5 since I didn't include my own vote in the options above. :embarassed:
I need to go to bed.
My current thoughts are either Subo or Jooray are mafia. I'm still bothered why Jooray didn't lynch me instead.
@Beefy: When do I have to have my vote choice in? Sorry, but more then likely I'll take my full allotted time.
As long as your active but still want more time.
That will be my cool host answer.
My honest answer is that I'm moving house tomorrow and don't think I've got time to do the write up.
So take your time.
My current thoughts are either Subo or Jooray are mafia. I'm still bothered why Jooray didn't lynch me instead.
You showed up after I put your name on the line. I know some people are encouraged in lynching a lurker when he shows up just after there has been suspicion expressed against him, but I just don't think it's fair to tell you to show yourself and when you do, to kill you anyway or even because of it. Also with Ibn there was another person up with a better "case" against him.
What you say about Secura is interesting, though I'm not sure if Beefy would allow the mafia to commit suicide, after all they are already in an advantageous position by not having to fear any investigator and thus the town essentially needs some people who they can trust in their analysis and that would be the ones killed during the night. :shrug:
@ Flax - Any reason why you did not analyze ATPG's posts?
ATPG has as many or more posts than the three I posted about, I did not have the time to do the same for him. I know about the Methos/ATPG relation and though that if Methos voted him, it wouldn't be because of anything I posted. Analyzing ATPG of the sort wouldn't have brought up much, I checked his posts while doing the others. Finally, I talked a good deal with ATPG on MSN about this game, so for me his posts are not the only source of information on him and I would be biased while summarizing his posts.
Well, you won't still be around if Methos decides to lynch you; you're not doing a fantastic job of convincing me that you're innocent.
When I still am at the moment. I'm sorry I'm not doing a fantastic job of convincing you, but I really don't know what do say at this point. Just please don't take what I say with smilies too seriously.
I'm curious though; why do you think we both saw WIFOM in your posts, Flaxy? It bears some explanation.
Well, because you are both right, some of what I said can be construed as WIFOM, I simply didn't intend that. Again, I don't know what to add without adding some confusion. The accusation is mostly gut feeling and stating I did some WIFOM, alright, sure. What exactly can I say to that?
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Nice analysis. You should really post more of these. :yes:
TheFlax is only the current target; he hasn't fully answered my questions yet. Once I'm satisfied with what he has to say, I will move onto other people;
I don't think I'll ever be able to satisfy you. :sad:
Is inaccurate. I was suspicious of TM because he was howling at me for me to reveal my reasons for lynching him (He was no better than anyone else, and it was a first day lynch), and he was ranting about how terribly scummy I am for not hitting a mafia on day one. I'm glad I lynched him, because if I'd known what I know, I would have lynched him again.
Sorry, I went through the posts quickly, due to the workload. I misread what you were saying. :bow:
Nice analysis. You should really post more of these. :yes:
I actually agree with this; aside of saying I was useless in Shadow Fort, it's precisely something I like to read from players.
I don't think I'll ever be able to satisfy you. :sad:
Gentlemen rarely do.
My point is that you stated to us that someone killed me in order to set you up, but the town overlooked this entirely; what if that was what you wanted to happen? My death would not only ensure your vote came around quicker, but also the town would think it was too obviously a setup and overlook you entirely? I know you can see where I'm coming from, at any rate.
In my opinion, that was a very courageous risk to take and it is one that ultimately ensured your innocence to the town, but at the risk of being WOG'd. I liked that move, both because it benefitted the Turks but it actually showed a bit of guts... so perhaps you should read the context a little more.
Yeah the point I'm making is that it wasn't corageous in relation to the WoG as I thought it was within the rules (As quoting PMs is legal for many people still alive in most games) and I skimmed through the rules and missed that one bit where it said it was illegal. So I can't really take any courage credit for revealing the role as I was unaware it was illegal in the first place. But yes, I usually come up usually with original plans to achieve something. Even if they fail later on (As was the case, as I was forced to reveal before the night to prevent my lynch, which would have made you waste an investigation to see if I was recruitable).
My point was that you were town in Shadow Fort and you frequently posted putting your butt on the line, and that's an admirable trait for a townie; I was comparing that your relative silence in this game thus far, that was all.
Notice I was inactive until I was attacked however.
I apologise for offending you, however.
Apologies accepted. :)
EDIT: And I talked a lot more because I was sure not only of my innocence but that I was hardly killable. Usually when I'm mafia (The Settlement) or Pro-Town (Rubicon), I don't contribute more than the average person. Exactly because I don't want to attract attention. That worked in Rubicon because me and Caius were masterminding the town efforts from the beginning and we killed the two Mafia famillies without they even suspecting either me or Caius the entire game.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-15-2010, 14:10
Lynch Joooray and Methos and you will win this game.
Edit: Btw, nice write-up Beefy! :2thumbsup:
Lynch Joooray and Methos and you will win this game.
Late OMGUS-vote, eh?! :laugh4:
Ibn-Khaldun
04-15-2010, 15:06
"I am the God of humans! Humans obey me!!"
http://images.free-extras.com/pics/m/mickey_mouse_disney-1103.jpg
Gentlemen rarely do.
My point is that you stated to us that someone killed me in order to set you up, but the town overlooked this entirely; what if that was what you wanted to happen? My death would not only ensure your vote came around quicker, but also the town would think it was too obviously a setup and overlook you entirely? I know you can see where I'm coming from, at any rate.
And as mafia I would bring this up now because...? Also, ATPG came pretty much to the same conclusion last round when I asked on MSN why someone would kill you during Night 1. Finally, it is my firm belief that gaining an early vote for mafia is much less useful then setting up the game for them to get a late vote. Since the first two days the votes were pretty random and now things are getting more serious. Imagine for a moment if Methos and Jolt were mafia, it would be pretty much game over for town.
Like you told me in Shakespearian Mafia, think more thouroughly on what you say. :clown:
EDIT: And I talked a lot more because I was sure not only of my innocence but that I was hardly killable. Usually when I'm mafia (The Settlement) or Pro-Town (Rubicon), I don't contribute more than the average person. Exactly because I don't want to attract attention. That worked in Rubicon because me and Caius were masterminding the town efforts from the beginning and we killed the two Mafia famillies without they even suspecting either me or Caius the entire game.
That was then, this is now. With half the people in the game dead, flying below the radar is not longer acceptable if you are town and want us to win. :wink:
Like you told me in Shakespearian Mafia, think more thouroughly on what you say. :clown:
The difference there being that I was dead and trying to point you in the right direction, not alive and under pressure. :P
That was then, this is now. With half the people in the game dead, flying below the radar is not longer acceptable if you are town and want us to win. :wink:
The thing is, I'm not flying under the radar. What do you want me to say? I think TM is scummy by the whole fighting scene plus the terrifying picture. I also think Ibn's earlier comments were quite scummy, but overall we have been going pretty much blind, going merely by what the scumminess in what people say or mean. I'm as clueless as you or the next man. I've been making the humorous comments as a way to provide random suspects (Unless who eats who actually matters) and get a few laughs.
The difference there being that I was dead and trying to point you in the right direction, not alive and under pressure. :P
Alright, I'll give you that one, but I'm watching you! :wink:
The thing is, I'm not flying under the radar. What do you want me to say? I think TM is scummy by the whole fighting scene plus the terrifying picture. I also think Ibn's earlier comments were quite scummy, but overall we have been going pretty much blind, going merely by what the scumminess in what people say or mean. I'm as clueless as you or the next man. I've been making the humorous comments as a way to provide random suspects (Unless who eats who actually matters) and get a few laughs.
What do you and Jooray think of lynching me?
Why kill Psychonaut?
Beats me. I'm always suspicious and as the game progresses I inevitably get lynched towards the mid- to late-game. Indicates someone I haven't played with or against often.
Did the mafia know that he would immediately leap to the conclusion that IbK or atheotes was his killer?
Well the day before I said it was rat and horse. But, that was entirely tongue in cheek in regards to atheotes, however I genuinely suspected Ibn.
I find it interesting that Psychonaut accused both of them after his death and one was lynched and the other murdered.
The murder is interesting. Why kill of someone who is being called to be lynched?
Just curious Psychonaut, but why did you accuse IbK and atheotes?
Gut.
What made you suspect them?
Fairy dust.
More importantly, did someone know you would do that prior to you being murdered?
Relevance? They killed off one anyway so frame attempts sort of failed, I don't know what angle they were going for with my or atheotes' deaths.
My apologies Secura, I did not mean to insult or disrespect you. After rereading it I feel ashamed for what I said. Should have left it until this morning when I was more awake. Again, my sincerest apologies.
Well the day before I said it was rat and horse. But, that was entirely tongue in cheek in regards to atheotes, however I genuinely suspected Ibn.
I don't know Psychonaut very well, so can anyone say that this is typical behavior for him? As in something that could be expected? What I'm wondering is if prior to Psychonauts murder if the mafia already had plans on killing either IbK and/or atheotes. If this was known previous behavior, then killing Psychonaut could help get us to lynch one of the two. Maybe they hoped for us to lynch atheotes instead, hence why he was murdered.
The murder is interesting. Why kill of someone who is being called to be lynched?
As already stated above, though there are other possible reasons as well. Maybe they feared who he would vote for, or needed to alter the voting line.
Relevance? They killed off one anyway so frame attempts sort of failed, I don't know what angle they were going for with my or atheotes' deaths.
I'm thinking atheotes death is rather important, which leads me to stick with the voting theory.
Other then ATPG, I know nothing of the remaining living players. It would be nice if you all, especially the confirmed innocents (yes, that means you too Secura), would analyze all of them.
BTW Secura, I tend to consider all possibilities, even those I don't think are valid. While I do believe in the possibility that you were a plant, that doesn't mean I don't also consider possibilities of you being confirmed innocent.
Since Beefy is going to be busy today and possibly tomorrow, I plan on using it. I hope you all don't mind.
My apologies Secura, I did not mean to insult or disrespect you. After rereading it I feel ashamed for what I said. Should have left it until this morning when I was more awake. Again, my sincerest apologies.
Thank you.
BTW Secura, I tend to consider all possibilities, even those I don't think are valid. While I do believe in the possibility that you were a plant, that doesn't mean I don't also consider possibilities of you being confirmed innocent.
Well, you should think of this; if someone said to me that they considered me to be a hinderance rather than a help and I should sacrifice myself so they could go it alone in a mafia game, I'd tell them to go **** themselves. I'm entitled to my fun too, and was genuinely annoyed at being the first kill; it's been four games in a row now where I've been eliminated by the third round and it's darn annoying.
A few more thoughts...
I still don't understand why Secura was killed. She was acted scummy and several others even suggested she be lynched. Interestingly, the two who FOS'ed her were IbK and atheotes. These were the same two that Psycho jumped on and were respectively lynched and murdered. It's rather odd how of the six people that are dead, four of them tie into Secura. Not sure what that means, just find it interesting.
I wish people would post more. I keep having to PM people requesting them to post.
I still don't understand why Secura was killed. She was acted scummy and several others even suggested she be lynched. Interestingly, the two who FOS'ed her were IbK and atheotes.
When I was killed in Mafia IX, I was informed that the reason was because the two scum deemed me to be unlynchable, as in the town wasn't likely to lynch me and I was too big a threat to be left talking. I believe this was the same reason I died in Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (where I made it clear I was Jeff Buckley through my posts) and the reason is similar here too.
By the way, only Pizza and atheotes actively found my suggestion of no lynch scummy (it wasn't intended to be, but I've given up trying to figure out what people's problem with that is). Ibn-Khaldun voted for me through random.org. :3
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 22:11
it's been four games in a row now where I've been eliminated by the third round and it's darn annoying.
This. Metagamers can all bite me.
I haven't seen many more posts than before, so I will stick with my original suspicion on Subotan. It makes sense that the game host would give the mafia at least 1 easy lynch vote, and not be totally handicapped at the end of the list.
I keep staring at my Numbers spreadsheet trying to see the patterns and the wrong ones keep popping up. At this point in the game I can't see how vote control wouldn't be a part of their maneuvers, though that could be my downfall.
In my first game where I was mafia, I haphazardly chose kill targets, often for no reason. I even came across the investigator and waited three days before killing him. We easily won because no one had a clue who the mafia was. I'm curious if that's what the current mafia are doing. I doubt it, but I don't know the living well enough to determine otherwise.
I'm waiting for atheotes to reply to my questions or PM, but if no one else has any thoughts, I guess I'll have to make my decision soon, so that I don't hold the game up any longer. Feel free to chat. Again, my lack of knowledge of the players and their habits are hurting my options.
Askthepizzaguy
04-15-2010, 22:34
Just listen to the murdered dead. Many of them are familiar with these players. And they are confirmed townie.
If you don't know and are unsure, that's the best route.
Again, my lack of knowledge of the players and their habits are hurting my options.
Maybe not, as you will have no preconceptions. My advice to you. Disregard all the facts and hard evidence and go with the one that tweaks your gut the most. It works most of the sometimes.
[wrong thread, I thought a lot of drama occurred since I last checked Rock'n'Roll mafia game.]
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 07:12
When you next come on, Methos, my advice is to take your time and make your final decision.
You might be in danger of over-thinking it now. The answer isn't always obvious even with deep thinking, and sometimes you get that bias where you like an idea and then you can't get it out of your head, and that ruins your objectivity. Best quick example I can give is "Wheel of fortune" where you're in the bonus round trying to solve the puzzle, but you think it is one thing, and when it is not that one thing, it is stuck in your head and you can't consider other options as well. Let your mind go blank, consider your options, and choose. If it takes more than a sentence to explain why you're voting a person, you may be overthinking it.
I often do that. Remember Mafia IX? That's what happens when you like an idea too much, so you try to make everything confirm your suspicion. Then you can't consider other options.
And if that doesn't work, search your feelings and use the force, Luke.
My fear is that I'm holding the game up and that is something I don't want to do. As I recall though, Beefy is moving today, so he's unable to do the update anyway. Unless anyone wants me to hurry up, I'll post my vote tonight when I get off work. That is around 15 hours from this post. I hope that is okay with everyone.
atheotes
04-16-2010, 16:08
i am sorry i couldnt post earlier... i have gone through the discussion. For some reason I get a buddy-buddy feeling from the way ATPG and Flax have been posting. It feels like one of them is trying to stay in the good books of the other...I would support a Flax lynch. But i also hate the fact the rest of the alive people have not participated much.
I would support a Flax lynch. But i also hate the fact the rest of the alive people have not participated much.
Both you and Secura agree on TheFlax, yet I'm inclined towards Subotan. I hate to go against the two of you, as I also see how TheFlax is really trying to make himself look good. Unfortunately I'm one of those lax participants until I got control of the vote. As Secura said, my playstyle is to lurk.
Askthepizzaguy
04-16-2010, 16:51
TheFlax and I are always on good terms. He's kind of like the anti-someone in this game. :beam: :wink: wink wink nudge nudge. [/joke]
He's kind of like the anti-someone in this game. :beam: :wink: wink wink nudge nudge. [/joke]
:laugh4:
I'm inclined towards Subotan.
Subotan's actually a good lynch too.
Rather then hold this up any longer, I'm going to go ahead and Vote: Subotan. I'm inclined to believe that by the end of the night, I'll still think that, so no point in waiting.
I hope I've made the right choice.
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