View Full Version : The Casse symbol-For personal reasons
Dear all, does any one know the origin of the Casse symbol? (and please can people not simply post "it's a triselisk") the reason I ask is this. Like some of you guys I am quite partial to getting tattoos but I tend to stick to a theme of Celtic and Pictish artwork and therefore like to choose designs that actually existed in history. So I was wondering if the symbol for the Casse is actually based on an artefact that really existed or if it is just a generic triselisk as I am looking for something to cover my shoulders.
Thanks guys!
Power2the1
03-24-2010, 12:05
it's a triselisk!
No, seriously, it is certainly Celtic La Tene. I have seen that symbol on pottery iirc, or maybe it was stone? Sorry, I forget exactly, but it is 100% legit, although today its very common as a Celtic symbol. Had I a pic, I would post it.
Tristuskhan
03-24-2010, 12:41
it's a triselisk!
No, seriously, it is certainly Celtic La Tene. I have seen that symbol on pottery iirc, or maybe it was stone? Sorry, I forget exactly, but it is 100% legit, although today its very common as a Celtic symbol. Had I a pic, I would post it.
As far as I know, Pre-Celtic. Triselisk (??? Triskell for us bretons) is broadly found from northern Norway to (modern) Mauretania, and is also very common in Kabylia (eastern Algeria). It is a common feature in Dolmens that date from 2000-2500BC so can be traced back to the Atlantic Megalith culture(s?) long before Celtic expansion.
(moreover I personally saw it as a mark on Mongolian horses -along with swastikas- so this simple pattern must be more or less universal)
As far as I know, Pre-Celtic. Triselisk (??? Triskell for us bretons) is broadly found from northern Norway to (modern) Mauretania, and is also very common in Kabylia (eastern Algeria). It is a common feature in Dolmens that date from 2000-2500BC so can be traced back to the Atlantic Megalith culture(s?) long before Celtic expansion.
(moreover I personally saw it as a mark on Mongolian horses -along with swastikas- so this simple pattern must be more or less universal)
Well you learn something new everyday, interesting stuff.
No triskell were the same. Legit or no. actually, every triskell were different, depending on the artist that draw, carved or forged it. so any design of triskell can be considered as ''legit''
Arthur, king of the Britons
03-24-2010, 16:09
So.. what's a triselisk? Never mind, seems to be a celtic rock with some scribbling on it, my bad. :dizzy2:
Power2the1
03-24-2010, 16:20
As far as I know, Pre-Celtic. Triselisk (??? Triskell for us bretons) is broadly found from northern Norway to (modern) Mauretania, and is also very common in Kabylia (eastern Algeria). It is a common feature in Dolmens that date from 2000-2500BC so can be traced back to the Atlantic Megalith culture(s?) long before Celtic expansion.
(moreover I personally saw it as a mark on Mongolian horses -along with swastikas- so this simple pattern must be more or less universal)
Ah, I rember now after I read your post. I recall PRIA caves and stonework in Ireland that had these, very interesting things, but I am unsure is these were Bronze Age, Megalithic, or some other era. These versions were different than the Casse symbol in the manner in which they used repeated lines to form the shape as opposed to a more solid design of the Casse logo. But as those cosmopolitan regions may have had the triple spirals back them, this symbol is today survives and is identified almost singularly with Celtic, Northern European, and Nordic design as they as they apparently used it for purposeful reasons, although I do not know if that a bad thing or not considering the Pagan Trinity....
At Newgrange:
http://www.listphile.com/Celtic_Symbol_Database/Triple_Spiral/image/Newgrange_Entrance_Stone.jpg
Cute Wolf
03-24-2010, 18:58
I suggest temporary tattos though... because we still wait for the next archeological excavation... :clown:
Bit late for that, my chest already looks like a Pict had a go at it.
I apologise CuteWolf if that was actually a joke about the length of time it takes us to excavate things.
Surely the modder who decided what the Casse symbol should be knows.
oudysseos
03-24-2010, 20:36
Ahem. The Casse symbol is very similar to a triskelion found on Lambay Island (off of the East Coast of Ireland) from around the 1st century AD- but the site is one that has often been identified as a place where refugees from the Roman conquest of Britain fled to (I have private doubts about that but let's not digress).
However, the triple-whorled design is reasonably common in Insular La Tene art and there are other samples from Britain as well- it's just that the Lambay one was particularly nice - and the faction symbols need to be simple enough to be recognizable at very small sizes (48X48), so there are a lot of typical pieces of La Tene art that won't make a good faction symbol.
There are many interpretations of the meaning of the symbol. Look it up on wikipedia and symbols.com if you're interested.
Here's a nice one:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Celtic_Bronze_Disc%2C_Longban_Island%2C_Derry.jpg/589px-Celtic_Bronze_Disc%2C_Longban_Island%2C_Derry.jpg
Longban Island, Derry
Once again Oudysseos comes to the rescue, thanks!
lionhard
03-26-2010, 11:56
Were the Icini included in the casse tribe or were they 2 different tribes? and i thought the icini were most popular due to boudicas encounter with the romans?
athanaric
03-26-2010, 12:17
I believe they're included in the Casse faction.
oudysseos
03-26-2010, 12:52
A question for the class: what year did Boudiccas revolt occur? And what year does EB start? Conclusions?
SwissBarbar
03-26-2010, 12:56
Oh, oh, i know it, i know it..... EB starts wayyyyyyy before Boudiccas revolt! More than 300 years before! *geek*
That's unfair teacher... I wanted to say iiiiiiiiiiit..... (snif, snif) Can I have a candy anyway?
lionhard
03-27-2010, 19:25
Bodicas revolt happends after EB finishes, but the faction she represented (Icini) Obviously still existed I just used the revolt as a mere example that as far as i knew the Icini were the most popular of the British tribes
oudysseos
03-27-2010, 19:55
(Icini) Obviously still existed I just used the revolt as a mere example that as far as i knew the Icini were the most popular of the British tribes
How do you know they existed in 272 BCE? Can you prove it? Who says they were the most popular?
You make a lot of assumptions that fall apart under even cursory investigation. BTW, this is a place where spelling matters a lot- it's 'Iceni', or 'Eceni': there is no such people as the Icini: and the Iceni and Casse were two very different peoples, in different parts of Britain, with not a great deal in common.
I wouldn't quite say that, my knowledge of the early Iron Age in Britain is not terribly good but certainly by the later Iron Age the two tribes were interlinked. Both employed the Aylesford-Swarling culture and the Iceni appear, based on the numismatic evidence at least, to have been under Casse hegemony to some degree. Yes geographically they were distinct and we can detect the difference between the two tribes archaeologically.
Personally i prefer either the Atrebates or the Venicones in Britain rather than the Iceni. Plus the Iceni were Roman allies, not very respectable in my opinion.
mountaingoat
03-27-2010, 23:30
(moreover I personally saw it as a mark on Mongolian horses -along with swastikas- so this simple pattern must be more or less universal)
this is because AFAIK they are related (and used all over the world) ... in relation to the Sun Wheel , or the "black sun." sacred geometry ... have a look into it =)
A question for the class: what year did Boudiccas revolt occur? And what year does EB start? Conclusions?
60 AD. or thereabouts. EB starts @ 272BC, in the summer.
conclusion: I doubt that the Iceni existed in 272 BC (at least in the form we know), as their mentioning is well after the 3rd century.
oudysseos
03-28-2010, 05:18
Just two weeks ago there was an excellent program on BBC radio 4- In Our Time with Melvyn Bragg (it's on iTunes as a free podcast), and the subject was Boudicca. Among other things, the panel of experts made it clear that academics are not at all convinced the Boudicca really existed, or at least that that was not her real name. They also discussed the Iceni, and how bad the archaeology was for them, aside from the very famous torc hordes like Snettisham. Really very little is known about them.
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