Jesus Dies For Our Sins... How To Ask Him To Erase All The Porn?

[Cute Wolf]

First I'm not joking...

Actually, everything was fine before... just fine as usual... but recently, I consider to getting more involved in the Church activity, after someone points out that I almost never had any "real" friends in the church, outside my university mates, that was rarely attend the church now, and just recently, the evangelist pay me a visit, and he ask me to be more active at the church...

But here is the problem, I agreed to help them in some jobs... and everything goes fine... until I forgot to log off my laptop there, and some curious kids (!real children at the sunday school!) opened the windows explorer.....

And they found out my (previously well-hidden) personal collection of porn.... a special partition on the Hard disk, really a lot of pictures and video collections... worth of almost two years browsing downloading and collecting them... as well as some that my friends kindly share... :wall:

Of course, when they ask me... "what is that?"... I just tell them.. It's not your business and I think everything was over... but then, the very same evangelist come, and ask me to erase all my porn and games from all my computer, because they will do no good, and inhibit me to heard what did the God want from me....

Yeah.. it was basically : Jesus dies for your sins... and you can't just erase all your porn? Well - Well, I know that I wasn't addicted with porn in any serious measures... but he keep asking me to proof that I allready erase them, and you could bet that erasing them ain't an easy job....

I think it was normal for a young man to keep some adult material for his private amusment... but they said that even only watching them is a sin equal to real adultery...

I really need someone Christian who could give me some insight of what should I do with all my porn collections... As Easter is going near and I didn't know should I commit myself into erasing all my porns? And what should I pray to made me easier forgetting them?

Did sometimes watching porns is tolerated in proper Christian life?

Thanks...

*. PS: I really need advices from fellow Christians... so don't bring another pov's arguments here... :bow:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Erase it all!

The Ten Commandments are not like the laws of a temporal king, which only govern a person's outward actions for the good of society. God's commandments look beyond that and into a person's heart, as Paul says, the "law is spiritual" (Rom 7:14).

Jesus even gave an example of this specifically on the matter of adultery. "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mat 5:27-8).

So everytime anyone watches porn, they are breaking the seventh commandment as surely as if they had broken their marriage vows.

[Fragony]

There were 3 crosses, XX&X

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, watching porn, or rather indulging in selfish gratification, is clearly a Sin, but then so it eating lots of Chocolate. So technically you should delete all the pron and sleep with your thumbs tied to your chest.

On the other hand, if you're just going to start downloading more porn on Monday then there's really no point and, honestly, I think God is less concerned about this than other things you might do. He'd probably rather you watch porn than, say, sleep with prostitutes.

[Skullheadhq]

Donate it to the Skullhead Foundation before erasing it is the best thing to do.

[Strike For The South]

On the other hand, if you're just going to start downloading more porn on Monday then there's really no point and, honestly, I think God is less concerned about this than other things you might do. He'd probably rather you watch porn than, say, sleep with prostitutes.

All sins are weighted equally

[Sarmatian]

God was much more strict those days. Nowadays, he's much more hippie, liberal type of character.

Enjoy your porn.


All sins are weighted equally

Did you guys have a merger or something?

[Skullheadhq]

It isn't adultery when the actors are unmarried, amirite?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

All sins are weighted equally

This is true in the sencse that all Sin seperates man from God, but in the more concrete sense it is patently false. If you really believed all Sins were equal you would spend as much time trying to rob old ladies as trying to have sex with young girls, wouldn't you Strike?

[The Stranger]

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you make the funniest threads man!

keep the games. delete the pron if you like. nowadays you dont have to download anymore. just watch online on xxxyoutubes n such.

i think you broke up with your gf?

[drone]

Speaking as a lapsed Christian, I will say this: Off-site backups are a wonderful thing. :yes:


Of course, when they ask me... "what is that?"... I just tell them.. It's not your business and I think everything was over... but then, the very same evangelist come, and ask me to erase all my porn and games from all my computer, because they will do no good, and inhibit me to heard what did the God want from me....
:inquisitive:

The games too? Tell him to pound sand. I can see him requesting the pr0n purge, but this is obviously about control.

[Subotan]

Pray that those children will never find it again and move on with your life.

[Strike For The South]

This is true in the sencse that all Sin seperates man from God, but in the more concrete sense it is patently false. If you really believed all Sins were equal you would spend as much time trying to rob old ladies as trying to have sex with young girls, wouldn't you Strike?

In the eyes of God they are all the same. The same human follies that seperate us from God in the first place also cause us to weight sins or worngdoings differentley so we can cast judgement on our fellow man.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

In the eyes of God they are all the same. The same human follies that seperate us from God in the first place also cause us to weight sins or worngdoings differentley so we can cast judgement on our fellow man.

So, you're not going to chase any more tail? Or, more to the point, you're going to stop watching porn, right?

[Strike For The South]

So, you're not going to chase any more tail? Or, more to the point, you're going to stop watching porn, right?

I don't forsee that but I also don't see what you're getting at....one man is in no position to judge another in a Godly sense. Now due to our follies we must set some rules we all agree upon but to assume we can hold the same judgemental powers as God is very prideful

[Megas Methuselah]

LMFAO Hahahahaha CuteWolf, you are freakin hilarious, man. But heeeeeeeey, we are, all of us, imperfect in our ways. ~:flirt:

[Rhyfelwyr]

The same human follies that seperate us from God in the first place also cause us to weight sins or worngdoings differentley so we can cast judgement on our fellow man.

Now that you've mentioned it, the issue of judging people is one I have been wondering about recently. Although people like to shout "Judge not lest ye be judged" at Christians, I think they are taking that somewhat out of context, since in the same verse, Jesus does go on to say that first take out the beam in your own eye and then admonish your brother.

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.


So, you're not going to chase any more tail? Or, more to the point, you're going to stop watching porn, right?

I think it depends if you are talking of general standards or legalistic standards. By general standards, I just mean the common sense view that obviously some acts are far worse than others, both in their consequences and from a moral perspective. But with the legal standards with God and his justice and punishment etc, anything less than perfection is an abomination.

[Strike For The South]

Now that you've mentioned it, the issue of judging people is one I have been wondering about recently. Although people like to shout "Judge not lest ye be judged" at Christians, I think they are taking that somewhat out of context, since in the same verse, Jesus does go on to say that first take out the beam in your own eye and then admonish your brother.

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.

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Yes but see I make a clear distincition btwn

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

This seems to be more focused on the judgemental aspect, while:


3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

This seems to to say take stock of your own shortcomings before helping out a brother or be reminded of your own shortcomings. Which of course we all have

[Major Robert Dump]

So far we have all missed the burning question:

Why are you taking (and using) a laptop to church in the first place? Seriously. Leave it at home. In the car. Whatever. That's like taking a bong to grandmas house, you are just asking for trouble.

Wierdo

[gaelic cowboy]

These whackjobs (pun intended) asked you to erase your computer games stuff that tell em to get lost

[Meneldil]

Delete the priest, keep the porn.

[Pannonian]

So far we have all missed the burning question:

Why are you taking (and using) a laptop to church in the first place? Seriously. Leave it at home. In the car. Whatever. That's like taking a bong to grandmas house, you are just asking for trouble.

Wierdo

Just remember, you'll be missing classics like this thread once you're in A.

[Hax]

*. PS: I really need advices from fellow Christians... so don't bring another pov's arguments here...

Then go post on a Christian forum. It's about as realistic as me opening a thread going:

"Hey guys I think we should all blatantly discriminate Israel, but please Fragony and other right-wing people don't respond kthxbai."

[naut]

Of course, when they ask me... "what is that?"... I just tell them.. It's not your business and I think everything was over... but then, the very same evangelist come, and ask me to erase all my porn and games from all my computer, because they will do no good, and inhibit me to heard what did the God want from me....
This is why I am no longer a Christian, too many irritating people and self-righteous people. I can understand why he thinks he can tell you to do things, as he feels he's looking out for you, but in reality, he's just shoving his nose into other people's business.


I think it was normal for a young man to keep some adult material for his private amusment... but they said that even only watching them is a sin equal to real adultery...
Of course it is. Every species on the planet wants and needs to reproduce, we've all got hormones. Fiddling to some pics of naked ladies is hardly a crime. Sex isn't bad like a lot of denominations say, you should just be careful and aware of the conscequences.


Pray that those children will never find it again and move on with your life.
:laugh4:

[gaelic cowboy]

Father Jack has his priorities right (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Dcl2aUzsc&feature=related)

Please note that the above is a bit riske and vulgar as well as quite funny. Backroomers view at your own risk.

[Pannonian]

Father Jack has his priorities right (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Dcl2aUzsc&feature=related)

More water (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlOhj4eTpA&feature=related)

[Pannonian]

Father Jack has his priorities right (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Dcl2aUzsc&feature=related)

More water (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlOhj4eTpA&feature=related)

[gaelic cowboy]

More water (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlOhj4eTpA&feature=related)

Dermot Morgan RIP it still crack's me up

[ajaxfetish]

All sins are weighted equally
When Jesus was asked which was the great commandment, he had a ready answer for a number one, and even threw in a bonus number two. This suggests to me that not all commandments are equal, but rather some are weighted more heavily than others. Since I see sin as basically the breaking of God's commandments, it follows that not all sins are weighted equally. Furthermore, when Peter expanded the church to the gentiles, he received a revelation allowing him to dial back some of the dietary laws and the circumcision thing, which I suspect would have made proselytizing difficult. On the other hand, God didn't make any changes to the no murder or no idolatry clauses. If God appears willing to alter or rescind some commandments depending on the time and place, but not others, that seems like further evidence that not all sins are equal.

Ajax

[Ronin]

just send all your porn to me and then delete it....

I won´t die for your sins...but I´ll whack for them! :P

[Centurion1]

im catholic i have confession. :clown:

and i can admit im not a perfect human being. which in my mind is the most important thing. i think porn in theory is wrong sort of and i can understand the churchs position on it but i also realize that i am not perfect and have poor self discipline regarding the flesh, and food, and language, and fighting, and oh god whatever im a weak person

[Cute Wolf]

So, you're not going to chase any more tail? Or, more to the point, you're going to stop watching porn, right?

yeah... I actually only watch them while I was really bored... but now, I must consider to stop it alltogether because of that...


Now that you've mentioned it, the issue of judging people is one I have been wondering about recently. Although people like to shout "Judge not lest ye be judged" at Christians, I think they are taking that somewhat out of context, since in the same verse, Jesus does go on to say that first take out the beam in your own eye and then admonish your brother.

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.

I think it depends if you are talking of general standards or legalistic standards. By general standards, I just mean the common sense view that obviously some acts are far worse than others, both in their consequences and from a moral perspective. But with the legal standards with God and his justice and punishment etc, anything less than perfection is an abomination.

And where is the treshold of excessive porn watching, I mean only three or four times in a week...


So far we have all missed the burning question:

Why are you taking (and using) a laptop to church in the first place? Seriously. Leave it at home. In the car. Whatever. That's like taking a bong to grandmas house, you are just asking for trouble.

Wierdo

I forgot to mention that I was actually use the very same laptop to help the presentation on sunday school.... :wall: talking about how bad it can be... if I foresaw about that, I wouldn't login as administrator so often...


Then go post on a Christian forum. It's about as realistic as me opening a thread going:

"Hey guys I think we should all blatantly discriminate Israel, but please Fragony and other right-wing people don't respond kthxbai."

Hax, it was a personal matters anyway... you didn't want to ask something about teaching of Buddha and got How great Xenu are explained in details, yes? and I couldn't ask that on facebook because my girl will read that and got angry again...


This is why I am no longer a Christian, too many irritating people and self-righteous people. I can understand why he thinks he can tell you to do things, as he feels he's looking out for you, but in reality, he's just shoving his nose into other people's business.

Of course it is. Every species on the planet wants and needs to reproduce, we've all got hormones. Fiddling to some pics of naked ladies is hardly a crime. Sex isn't bad like a lot of denominations say, you should just be careful and aware of the conscequences.

:laugh4:

Maybe you're right... but how to avoid that when you decide to be more religious a bit... all the visits is irritating in some ways, that's true...


When Jesus was asked which was the great commandment, he had a ready answer for a number one, and even threw in a bonus number two. This suggests to me that not all commandments are equal, but rather some are weighted more heavily than others. Since I see sin as basically the breaking of God's commandments, it follows that not all sins are weighted equally. Furthermore, when Peter expanded the church to the gentiles, he received a revelation allowing him to dial back some of the dietary laws and the circumcision thing, which I suspect would have made proselytizing difficult. On the other hand, God didn't make any changes to the no murder or no idolatry clauses. If God appears willing to alter or rescind some commandments depending on the time and place, but not others, that seems like further evidence that not all sins are equal.

Ajax

Hope that it was meant God never said: You shouldn't watching porn too often... but what was the "often" frequency are?... or did we must take all sins are equal and proceed to delete all my porn?

@ Skullheadhq : I'll consider that, made a backup and sent 'em to Netherland... but hey... most of them are asian porn...

[miotas]

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.

I've always thought it strange that some Christians are against alcohol when Christ was clearly a supporter of binge drinking and teen drinking.

[Beefy187]

If you're willing to commit another sin... lying.

Move all your porn (and gaming?) to a external hard drive. Every ones happy.

[PanzerJaeger]

Delete the priest, keep the porn.

+10

[Furunculus]

First I'm not joking...

Actually, everything was fine before... just fine as usual... but recently, I consider to getting more involved in the Church activity, after someone points out that I almost never had any "real" friends in the church, outside my university mates, that was rarely attend the church now, and just recently, the evangelist pay me a visit, and he ask me to be more active at the church...

But here is the problem, I agreed to help them in some jobs... and everything goes fine... until I forgot to log off my laptop there, and some curious kids (!real children at the sunday school!) opened the windows explorer.....

And they found out my (previously well-hidden) personal collection of porn.... a special partition on the Hard disk, really a lot of pictures and video collections... worth of almost two years browsing downloading and collecting them... as well as some that my friends kindly share... :wall:

Of course, when they ask me... "what is that?"... I just tell them.. It's not your business and I think everything was over... but then, the very same evangelist come, and ask me to erase all my porn and games from all my computer, because they will do no good, and inhibit me to heard what did the God want from me....

Yeah.. it was basically : Jesus dies for your sins... and you can't just erase all your porn? Well - Well, I know that I wasn't addicted with porn in any serious measures... but he keep asking me to proof that I allready erase them, and you could bet that erasing them ain't an easy job....

I think it was normal for a young man to keep some adult material for his private amusment... but they said that even only watching them is a sin equal to real adultery...

I really need someone Christian who could give me some insight of what should I do with all my porn collections... As Easter is going near and I didn't know should I commit myself into erasing all my porns? And what should I pray to made me easier forgetting them?

Did sometimes watching porns is tolerated in proper Christian life?

Thanks...

*. PS: I really need advices from fellow Christians... so don't bring another pov's arguments here... :bow:

your porn is your business, and the only person you have to answer to is god.

if you're happy that your porn collection doesn't interfere with your obligation to your god then keep it, and find another church with a less interfering priest. in my position i would tell him to get **@&£)!

if you realise that looking at naked chicks is harmless, but the crazy animal pr0n is questionable given your faith, then act accordingly.

if you conclude that Rhyfelwyr's quotation elaborates all you need to know on the subject, then delete the porn, but still find a new church because anything run by a priest who wants you to ditch your games is running a crazy cult that will end with mass suicides on the side of a volcano after singing kumbaya as the overdose of sleeping pills kicks in!

[Meneldil]

Maybe you're right... but how to avoid that when you decide to be more religious a bit... all the visits is irritating in some ways, that's true...


Then do not "be more religious a bit", or find a more liberal church.

I'll never understand why people are so eager to have yet another authority telling them what to do. And while I understand (kind of) the "no porn" policy, the fact that he also asked you to erase your games make me think he's just some nutjob. The less you hang out with these brainwashing idiots the better.

[The Stranger]

just send all your porn to me and then delete it....

I won´t die for your sins...but I´ll whack for them! :P

thats just dirty...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't forsee that but I also don't see what you're getting at....one man is in no position to judge another in a Godly sense. Now due to our follies we must set some rules we all agree upon but to assume we can hold the same judgemental powers as God is very prideful

Well, according to you what you do is as bad as murder. So your statement clearly shows that you should stop trying sleep with Co-eds.

Get it?

[naut]

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.
:bow:

When I was a Christian, my friend who was the youth minister said exactly the same thing. It's fine to drink, have fun, party, all the rest of it as long as you do it in moderation, don't hurt others and understand the consequences. Now, I don't know how that stands in the greater scheme of Christianity, but it made a lot of sense to me.

[The Stranger]

what happened to Live Excessively...

[naut]

what happened to Live Excessively...
Living excessively is different to living to the excess. Living excessively implies living for maximum enjoyment, whatever that is for you and how ever many experiences that is. Living to the excess is doing/consuming as much as possible all the time.

[Rhyfelwyr]

And where is the treshold of excessive porn watching, I mean only three or four times in a week...

I was talking about the issue of judging people when I said that, not the porn issue. Porn is something I would consider to be condemned outright.


:bow:

When I was a Christian, my friend who was the youth minister said exactly the same thing. It's fine to drink, have fun, party, all the rest of it as long as you do it in moderation, don't hurt others and understand the consequences. Now, I don't know how that stands in the greater scheme of Christianity, but it made a lot of sense to me.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with drinking, partying, or having fun. How much you drink, or eat, or spend on your hobbies etc is a matter of the individual's own conscience. These are what the theologians seem to describe as 'things indifferent' - there's nothing wrong with them in their own right, and it's up to each person to use them as they see appropriately. Some of the stricter Christians can become pharaseeical in placing prohibitions on things when God never felt the need to. Although it should also be remembered that it is not pharaseeical to follow the moral commandments of God (since despite the misuse of the word by more liberal Christians, the pharisees were criticised by Jesus for their adherance to their own traditions, rather than God's commandments), but is instead the duty of every Christian. Porn is, I believe, a breaking of the moral law (seventh commandment), and as such is something that should be condemned outright.


And while I understand (kind of) the "no porn" policy, the fact that he also asked you to erase your games make me think he's just some nutjob. The less you hang out with these brainwashing idiots the better.

Yes. Cute Wolf, the priest has no grounds at all for telling you to delete your games, that is being pharaseeical. The only reason I could think that he might really want to do this is if he felt you were addicted or something (EB can do that), and maybe he felt he was helping you out? But only you can know that.

[Mooks]

Meh, every day that you look at a women in lust you commit adultery. Think about that for a second. If you dont use the porn you already accumulated your going to use your imagination. Its the same sin. Might as well keep the porn.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Meh, every day that you look at a women in lust you commit adultery. Think about that for a second. If you dont use the porn you already accumulated your going to use your imagination. Its the same sin. Might as well keep the porn.

This would be my view, but I would add that self-deception is more likely to anger God than anything else.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

As one of the profound thinkers of the early church put it:

"Lord, Give me chastity and continence...but not yet." -- St. Augustine


There has always been an argument as to whether asceticism was a superior path to God's grace. Denial of the flesh and emphasis on that which is spiritual is a recurrent theme. The other side of the coin is, of course, that God caused us to come into being with these physical desires and to live in a physical world where we must consume food etc. on a regular basis or perish.

I think the basic issue at hand for you is the extent to which such activities leave you self-absorbed and un-connected to others and God. I suspect that the answers to that are pretty well individual. God already knows your answer...but do you?

[Louis VI the Fat]

I really need someone Christian who could give me some insight of what should I do with all my porn collections...


*. PS: I really need advices from fellow Christians... so don't bring another pov's arguments here... :bow:The one Christian advice I can give you is to change denomination and become a Porn Again Christian.


~:handball:

[Cute Wolf]

Yeah, that ever meddling priests just quesioned me again, and after read some of your arguments, I was going into lengthy debate with him... And while I must admit that seeing excessive porns is certainly wrong, and I did consider to reduce that to bare minimum, he asked for me to erase all my games, and replace it with more works on the church :wall: . . . . When I ask why? he points out that playing games was not good for the mental health of a CHILD(!), and a child who had exposure to porns and games (he used that phrase again... porns and games) since his youth will develop anti social traits, and must be distanced away from them, in order to gain better social skills.....

WHAT THE? I know that I didn't have much friends at the church... but I have a lot there, at the univ and neighbourhood.... and while he argues that has deletrious efects to a child, he should know that he speaks with 21 years old.... and when I said it was my own business, he threatens to contact my parents.... (my elderly parents live in another city, but having them contacted with a priest who said that their only son collects porn will always generate anoxiousity... and I don't want to made my parents had bad things on their mind about me...)

I'm just tired because of that.... if I don't leave my laptop so recklessly, all of it wouldn't be happened....

Yeah, but anyway, I've decide to erase all my porn... and didn't sent into skullhead foundation because all will takes hundreds of gigabytes....

But when I want to press the "format" button, for some unexplainable reason, I couldn't delete them... (it was set on entirely separate HD partition)... it was really difficult things to do, and then I asked myself... did that was a sign of porn addiction?


The one Christian advice I can give you is to change denomination and become a Porn Again Christian.


~:handball:

LOL :laugh4:
did you have some arguments that tolerate porns at the bible? I sorely need them...

[drone]

WHAT THE? I know that I didn't have much friends at the church... but I have a lot there, at the univ and neighbourhood.... and while he argues that has deletrious efects to a child, he should know that he speaks with 21 years old.... and when I said it was my own business, he threatens to contact my parents.... (my elderly parents live in another city, but having them contacted with a priest who said that their only son collects porn will always generate anoxiousity... and I don't want to made my parents had bad things on their mind about me...)
And with that, it's obvious that the priest is just trying to control you. Instead of giving you a better religious argument, he issues threats. Leave that church now, threats be damned. If you don't it will only get worse.

[Cute Wolf]

And with that, it's obvious that the priest is just trying to control you. Instead of giving you a better religious argument, he issues threats. Leave that church now, threats be damned. If you don't it will only get worse.

Well, maybe I should look for another church then....

[Louis VI the Fat]

did you have some arguments that tolerate porns at the bible? I sorely need them...1 - Unfortunately you sound most Protestant.


Me, I'm post-Catholic. I understand that sometimes the mind may be willing, but that the flesh is weak. This world being imperfect, man is not perfect, sinful. You are a mortal, imperfect. As are your fellow men, so one's sins are not for others to judge, but between you and your God. This God is forgiving. He did not cast you on this world to suffer, in some depraved act that merely plays out the lives of those predestined to fail, only to punish them for the inevitable.

One ought to struggle to do what is right, repent for that for which one did not find the strength, and for all the rest trust that God, who has shared the fate of the mortal, understands the weakness of the flesh.



2 - Me, I don't have any porn on my computer. I dislike it. I don't consider porn a grave sin. It's just...I enjoy feminine beauty, and watch the odd picture or so, but I'm more intruiged by what remains craftily suggested than what is crassly shown.



3 - Living the right life does not mean depriving oneself of all pleasures of this life. That's for sects. In the appendix to Dawkins' 'The God Delusion', there is a list of adresses for individuals needing support in escaping from religion. My print does not have an adress in Indonesia, but should you need help or counsel, the Council of Australian Humanist Societies (http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Ehumanist/resources/cahs.html) can provide it for you in escaping these people.

[Cute Wolf]

but it was all weird anyway... if you ask me to escape again from religion... If you want to know, before deciding to back into Christianity, I was largely agnostic and didn't respect much for the religion... It was my breakup with my muslim girlfriend (caused by external pressures), turned me for a while into a hateful, distressed entity, and at those times, reading the bible again gives me hope and recover, and I even decide to get another relationship with my childhood friend (which was still stable now, despite some problems arise and go)...

Must I going back into agnosticism again just because some meddlesome priests? :wall:

[Furunculus]

Must I going back into agnosticism again just because some meddlesome priests? :wall:

nope, but should certainly be wary of that nut-bag priest.

[Pannonian]

but it was all weird anyway... if you ask me to escape again from religion... If you want to know, before deciding to back into Christianity, I was largely agnostic and didn't respect much for the religion... It was my breakup with my muslim girlfriend (caused by external pressures), turned me for a while into a hateful, distressed entity, and at those times, reading the bible again gives me hope and recover, and I even decide to get another relationship with my childhood friend (which was still stable now, despite some problems arise and go)...

Must I going back into agnosticism again just because some meddlesome priests? :wall:

Read Schindler's Ark. One of the greatest examples of the individual's ability to decide what is right and wrong in those darkest of times. The serially drinking, gambling, womanising Schindler was a greater holy man than your priest will ever be.

[Rhyfelwyr]

The priest is definitely crossing the line and not doing his duty (are you sure he is a "priest" in a Reformed church anyway, not a minister or something?).

Even if you do believe what you did with the porn was wrong, the priest has no right to be going about things as he is. I would talk with him to sort things out, and if he is still threatening you, just leave and become the one man church of Cute Wolf. Or stir up the congregation and cause a schism, that's what Protestantisms all about!

[Subotan]

LOL :laugh4:
did you have some arguments that tolerate porns at the bible? I sorely need them...
It's a sign you're not gay :2thumbsup:

[Centurion1]

im not a big porn guy myself so i cant believe you had 100's of gigabytes!!!!!! or were you kidding.

Plus you dont watch another dudes porn man............ thats personal **** right there.

[Hax]

and i can admit im not a perfect human being. which in my mind is the most important thing. i think porn in theory is wrong sort of and i can understand the churchs position on it but i also realize that i am not perfect and have poor self discipline regarding the flesh, and food, and language, and fighting, and oh god whatever im a weak person

Self

Judgment.

Acknowledging your "weakness" (we'd need to first define what it is, exactly) doesn't make it any better.

[Subotan]

and i can admit im not a perfect human being. which in my mind is the most important thing. i think porn in theory is wrong sort of and i can understand the churchs position on it but i also realize that i am not perfect and have poor self discipline regarding the flesh, and food, and language, and fighting, and oh god whatever im a weak person
You can have strong self-discipline and follow all of those things, and still be a bad person, isn't that right Chiang Kai-Shek?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Movement)

[Belisarius II]

So wait. You took advice to erase your porn from a man whose "masters" have male prostitution rings in the Vatican? Oh the irony.

But still, I say erase it. Who knows, some good might come out of it.

Perhaps it's time to convert to Lutheranism! It is thine destiny! https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/smilies/gc/gc-clown.gif

[Centurion1]

protestants are pretty damn bad about things like this. And i bet you cash money that he is not catholic.

and this thread isnt about myself so i dont need the lectures on my moral conduct.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I think you are all being unnecessarily harsh on Centurian. Seld-awareness must come before improvement, and it seems that the people criticising him might not even have got that far.

[Rhyfelwyr]

So wait. You took advice to erase your porn from a man whose "masters" have male prostitution rings in the Vatican? Oh the irony.

Cute Wolf goes to a Dutch Reformed church...

[Belisarius II]

Cute Wolf goes to a Dutch Reformed church...

Ah, my mistake then. I made the assumtion that, since he was saying priest, that he was either Catholic or G/E Orthodox. Most Protestant and Undenominational churches use the term pastor not priest when referring to the minister. I also probabally should of considered his location as well, not mine, since where I live, there is a large number of Catholics, Irish Catholic to be exact.

But even so, I still say that you'll feel better about yourself if you delete the pics Cute Wolf.

[Beskar]

Perhaps the "Cute Wolf" part worried him.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Ah, my mistake then. I made the assumtion that, since he was saying priest, that he was either Catholic or G/E Orthodox. Most Protestant and Undenominational churches use the term pastor not priest when referring to the minister. I also probabally should of considered his location as well, not mine, since where I live, there is a large number of Catholics, Irish Catholic to be exact.

But even so, I still say that you'll feel better about yourself if you delete the pics Cute Wolf.

"Priest" is a term in curculation in all Episcopal Churches, which includes most Luthern denominations, and all Anglican Ones. It's also appropriate to Methodists and a large number of Reformed Churches, who maintain a Presbyte without an Episcopate.

[Centurion1]

well look at where he lives. indonesia they were colonized (stolen) by the dutch. The Christ men they got were dutch. many dutch are protestants i thought it a safe bet hes protestant. though in such a muslim dominated country its probably easier to find Any christian rather than look for specific denominations.

[Hax]

well look at where he lives. indonesia they were colonized (stolen) by the dutch.

Need I remind you of Okinawa? While I'm not trying to defend the enslavement of the indigenous Indonesian population by the Dutch, I do not think you have any right, as a proud and patriotic defender of a nation that has had quite a dark history for such a young nation, to speak in such a demeaning way.


though in such a muslim dominated country its probably easier to find Any christian rather than look for specific denominations.

Right. Confucianists, Buddhists, Christians as well as Muslims live in Indonesia quite peacefully.

[Centurion1]

Need I remind you of Okinawa? While I'm not trying to defend the enslavement of the indigenous Indonesian population by the Dutch, I do not think you have any right, as a proud and patriotic defender of a nation that has had quite a dark history for such a young nation, to speak in such a demeaning way.

First of all the indonesians did not declare war on the dutch. Second of all the Japanese have benefited from American influence. Third of all i dont believe you are ever allowed to talk about Buddhism because you are a proud buddhist so this
I do not think you have any right, as a proud and patriotic defender of a nation that has had quite a dark history for such a young nation is a stupid thing to say.

As well i believe that americans are some of the most generous giving welcoming people in the world and we take quite enough flak about everything thank you very much.

As to this.....

ight. Confucianists, Buddhists, Christians as well as Muslims live in Indonesia quite peacefully.

Why dont you think before you post i assume there is enough time to read the post you are assaulting before you respond. At no point at all within my post did i say it was unsafe to be a christian in Indonesia. i simply stated it is probably easier to just be with any christian ratherthan find enough of the same denomination in any one place.

Edit: As well :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Okinawa is a bloody military base. It is not a colony of American imperialism we do not gain any economic benefits from holding Okinawa we don't use it as a criminal penal colony we don't colonize it with white Anglo Saxon Americans and convert the Japanese forcefully. no we have a naval base.

So unless you have found "unobantanium" on the island i guess this is a rather poor example too. I do hear the american empire is planning a colonization of her lands in Antarctica though.

[Major Robert Dump]

What kind of porn was it? Does your country define obscene by local opinion and standard rather than a national definition? Any way you could argue that it is not porn, but art?

Or, you could say you are writing a book on porn and that is was for research

[Megas Methuselah]

...


Yeah. Yeah, go away please. Oh wait! You think this continent is your home, right? Damn. Nothing I can do about that. :shrug:

Welcome to Turtle Island, I guess.

[Tuuvi]

Your priest does sound really nosey and you should probably stay away from him. On the issue of the porn I think you should delete all of it. My church teaches that looking at porn is a sin and should be avoided at all costs because of its addictive nature. My church even helps people who have a problem with porn pay to see a licensed psychologist to help them break the addiction, that's how seriously the church takes it.

[Hax]

First of all the indonesians did not declare war on the dutch. Second of all the Japanese have benefited from American influence.

The first is true. The second is very arguable. Very arguable.


Third of all i dont believe you are ever allowed to talk about Buddhism because you are a proud buddhist so this

To Buddhists, pride is useless. Or it should be, at the very least; it's exactly one of those things that should be left behind. Pride suggests an ego, and there is no such thing as ego in Buddhism. I quote:


One of the main obstacles is our pride. This pride is an inflated state of mind and relies on our false view of the transitory collection, which focuses on the existent self, attributed to our body and mind, and distorts it. When we are on top of a very high mountain, we look down on all the lower peaks. Similarly, when we are full of pride, everyone else appears lower. We are the best and everyone else is inferior.

You want to talk about Buddhist persecuting other people? Fine by me. You want to talk about the persecution and exile of Nichiren Daishounin? Fine by me. The enslavement of the Tibetan people by the elite priest class in Buddhist Tibet? No problem. The souhei and yamabushi in Japan? It's really no problem, whatsoever. The discussion of wrong-doings by Buddhists throughout history is not something that is taboo or a topic that should be avoided. I am fully aware of the horrible things that have happened in the name of Buddhism throughout East Asian history. Zen priests paying schoolgirls for sexual favours? It's happened, more than once.


Why dont you think before you post i assume there is enough time to read the post you are assaulting before you respond. At no point at all within my post did i say it was unsafe to be a christian in Indonesia. i simply stated it is probably easier to just be with any christian ratherthan find enough of the same denomination in any one place.

Thinking before I post is one of the things I actively do, thank you very much. The two are interlinked. As you seem to know, Indonesia was occupied by the Dutch, who were protestant. Is it so unlikely to think that there might have been some people who follow that religion that still live there? I don't think so, especially because the Dutch kinda promoted conversion to Christianity in the East Indies.



Edit: As well https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/../images/smilies/gc/gc-laugh.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/../images/smilies/gc/gc-laugh.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/../images/smilies/gc/gc-laugh.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/../images/smilies/gc/gc-laugh.gif Okinawa is a bloody military base. It is not a colony of American imperialism we do not gain any economic benefits from holding Okinawa we don't use it as a criminal penal colony we don't colonize it with white Anglo Saxon Americans and convert the Japanese forcefully. no we have a naval base.

No, of course it's not a colony. Not in the traditional sense at least. Yet it has obviously lost its purpose and seriously, with all respects, you should go out of there. Seriously. More than 85% of the Okinawan population are opposed to the military base that you have in Okinawa. I don't see any purpose in staying there.

[Fragony]

Your priest does sound really nosey and you should probably stay away from him. On the issue of the porn I think you should delete all of it. My church teaches that looking at porn is a sin and should be avoided at all costs because of its addictive nature. My church even helps people who have a problem with porn pay to see a licensed psychologist to help them break the addiction, that's how seriously the church takes it.

looks like I am doomed then

[Subotan]

well look at where he lives. indonesia they were colonized (stolen) by the dutch. The Christ men they got were dutch. many dutch are protestants i thought it a safe bet hes protestant. though in such a muslim dominated country its probably easier to find Any christian rather than look for specific denominations.

Of course, everything you just said applies to the Phillipines and the Yankees. And imperialism doesn't just mean owning territory. Cultural, religious and economic imperialism all exist and are arguably part of current American policy.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Did sometimes watching porns is tolerated in proper Christian life?



Wonderful, siggied.

[Ronin]

Your priest does sound really nosey and you should probably stay away from him. On the issue of the porn I think you should delete all of it. My church teaches that looking at porn is a sin and should be avoided at all costs because of its addictive nature. My church even helps people who have a problem with porn pay to see a licensed psychologist to help them break the addiction, that's how seriously the church takes it.

I would suggest you take the advice of your own first sentence...compare it against the attitude of your church...and stay away from that too.

:P

[Pannonian]

What kind of porn was it? Does your country define obscene by local opinion and standard rather than a national definition? Any way you could argue that it is not porn, but art?

Or, you could say you are writing a book on porn and that is was for research

I don't think the priest will get fooled again.

[Centurion1]

Of course, everything you just said applies to the Phillipines and the Yankees. And imperialism doesn't just mean owning territory. Cultural, religious and economic imperialism all exist and are arguably part of current American policy.


Thinking before I post is one of the things I actively do, thank you very much. The two are interlinked. As you seem to know, Indonesia was occupied by the Dutch, who were protestant. Is it so unlikely to think that there might have been some people who follow that religion that still live there? I don't think so, especially because the Dutch kinda promoted conversion to Christianity in the East Indies.


once again....... under 15% of indonesia is christian. meaning there are not so many that i think ther are fully congregated churches all over the place. Most people would probably find it easier to find A church rather than a specific church. that is what im saying.

According to Hax's point Subotan since you are from the country who probably colonized more land than everyone else you are not allowed to talk about this issue at all.

Hax i dont care what buddhism did wrong i was saying that your point since i was a "proud american defender" im not allowed to say anything relating to america or something america may also have done so you are not allowed to talk about religion or buddhism by that token.

[Hax]

According to Hax's point Subotan since you are from the country who probably colonized more land than everyone else you are not allowed to talk about this issue at all.

Hax i dont care what buddhism did wrong i was saying that your point since i was a "proud american defender" im not allowed to say anything relating to america or something america may also have done so you are not allowed to talk about religion or buddhism by that token.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present you "tu quoque"! I wasn't talking about anyone speaking about America or anything like that, I was talking about speaking in a demeaning way.

[Centurion1]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present you "tu quoque"! I wasn't talking about anyone speaking about America or anything like that, I was talking about speaking in a demeaning way.

i was using what i said to subotan as an example of why what you said to me was ridiculous. and you have made assumptions about me as well in this thread. like assuming i believed it was unsafe to live in Indonesia as a christian.


Yeah. Yeah, go away please. Oh wait! You think this continent is your home, right? Damn. Nothing I can do about that.

Welcome to Turtle Island, I guess.

im going to ignore this.

[Cute Wolf]

Oh yeah... just formatted my hard disk drive and get rid of all those porn..... after thinking much about in the long run... yeah, after someone points out that over 100 GB of porn videos and pictures is not a normal use of porn, I start to think myself addicted to porn... or excessively collect them (although I still think myself is more collector than addicted)...

By the way, he is a evangelist (the same level as priest), who was take charge in the kids and youth sections.... and I allready inform him that I have erase all my porn, for the Easter's sake.... but I decide to kept my games, as I wasn't using them ecessively.

[Tuuvi]

I would suggest you take the advice of your own first sentence...compare it against the attitude of your church...and stay away from that too.

:P

Don't worry my church's attitude is different than Cute Wolf's priest's...If my church leader caught me with porn on my computer I doubt he would act like Cute Wolf's priest, and I don't find anything wrong with advising people not to look at porn. My church telling people not to look at porn is the same thing as a mother telling her child not to touch a hot stove; they believe that porn is harmful, that's why they tell people not to look at it and that's why they try to help people who want to stop.

[Subotan]

According to Hax's point Subotan since you are from the country who probably colonized more land than everyone else you are not allowed to talk about this issue at all. .
We did, yes. I'm not denying that at all. Some of the greatest crimes in history were committed in the name of British imperialism, the numerous famines in British India whilst continued to be exported to Britain being just one out of the hat. I am not arguing that that didn't happen. Rather, I am saying that American conventional imperialism happened in the past [I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, the more you kill and burn the better it will please me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_H._Smith#Philippine-American_War)]

[Skullheadhq]

@ Skullheadhq :. but hey... most of them are asian porn...
Oh, I'm fine with that.

But seriously, where in the bible does god say you shouldn't watch porn?



EDIT: Oh noes! I could've added it to my evergrowing collection.

[Beskar]

"And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."

[drone]

"And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."

That's what being a Protestant's all about. That's why it's the church for me. That's why it's the church for anyone who respects the individual and the individual's right to decide for him or herself. When Martin Luther nailed his protest up to the church door in fifteen-seventeen, he may not have realised the full significance of what he was doing, but four hundred years later, thanks to him, my dear, I can wear whatever I want on my John Thomas... and, Protestantism doesn't stop at the simple condom. Oh, no. I can wear French Ticklers if I want. :book:

[jirisys]

"And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."

don't forget menstruate, defecate, and eating "unclean" food too

~Jirisys (first post on the the backroom)

[Cute Wolf]

Don't worry... I've erased them all... but I just realize that I miss all of the good times when I allready erase all of them... but afterwards, I just made a big slot for storing all the mod resources I need to doing my modding.... so everything had a price...