RTW:BI roleplaying game: Vandal Invasion

[Ibn-Khaldun]

VI Rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127472-Rules-Codex-amp-Edicts)

Available characters(FM's) will be posted in the Library&History thread.

This thread is Vandal Invasion OOC thread.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Didn't know in which of the two threads to say this, but I'd rather we pick another faction. The Franks are bit too reminiscent of KotF, if only in name and geographical area. I'd like to explore perhaps something a bit more eastern European or central European. I'd have to check the BI map again for suggestions though.

Well, I picked the Franks only because I and Braden liked it. Of course we can choose another faction but the main point is that in my opinion we should keep the game as simple as possible.
The only eastern faction in BI is Sassaids and perhaps Berbers as well.
The first could be quite interesting to play if you like generals who never die. :beam:
However, Berbers are not "completely finished" faction since they were never meant to be playable.

Factions in BI:
Barbarians:
Celts, Saxons, Franks, Burgundy, Lombardy, Alemanni
Nomad/Steppe:
Vandals, Huns, Sarmatians, Goths
Roman:
Western Roman Empire, Eastern Roman Empire
Eastern:
Sassanids, Berbers

There are also Ostrogoths, Slavs and Roman rebels but they are not playable from start.
We shouldn't also pick one of the "half finished" factions.
Out of these faction Romans, Huns, Franks, Saxons, Sassanids are the only ones who can give something to the RP and make the game interesting.

[TheFlax]

I wasn't thinking THAT eastern :clown:

I'd like Vandals, but they are not in you "final" list. Out of those I'd be interested in the Huns, but I don't know how powerful they are. Anyways, it was just a comment and if everyone is ok with Franks, I'll join the fold. Its not a major concern.

[Ferret]

I think playing a horde nation could be interesting, and would simplify all the rules on land ownership.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think playing a horde nation could be interesting, and would simplify all the rules on land ownership.

You mean that "he who conquers owns it" rule?
There is one small downside with hordes.. when they settle then they lose 1/3 of their forces and it's impossible to determine from whose stack what units will disappear.
Also, they don't have any income. It's not big problem if we don't buy mercs and sack every city we take.
Playing as Vandals could be interesting. Trying to follow their historical route(from their starting position through Italy, Gaul and Spain to North-Africa) will certainly give a lot of big battles against romans.

[TinCow]

You mean that "he who conquers owns it" rule?
There is one small downside with hordes.. when they settle then they lose 1/3 of their forces and it's impossible to determine from whose stack what units will disappear.
Also, they don't have any income. It's not big problem if we don't buy mercs and sack every city we take.
Playing as Vandals could be interesting. Trying to follow their historical route(from their starting position through Italy, Gaul and Spain to North-Africa) will certainly give a lot of big battles against romans.

Might I suggest a throw-back to the old succession games? If you play the Vandals, make a house rule that the faction CANNOT settle until it reaches North Africa by way of Spain, and when you reach there you MUST settle. That will give you a big challenge in getting there, plus it will get rid of concerns about the loss of units on settling because when you finally settle it will be together in a cluster. Perhaps some custom rules about determining ownership of units while still in the horde part of the game would be useful, and then only switch over to the full rules listed above once you finally settle. Might be fun to have ways of taking control of other peoples' units while in horde mode: a power struggle of sorts. Perhaps ownership of the settled lands can be determined by who 'wins' the power struggle during the journey.

[TheFlax]

Might I suggest a throw-back to the old succession games? If you play the Vandals, make a house rule that the faction CANNOT settle until it reaches North Africa by way of Spain, and when you reach there you MUST settle. That will give you a big challenge in getting there, plus it will get rid of concerns about the loss of units on settling because when you finally settle it will be together in a cluster. Perhaps some custom rules about determining ownership of units while still in the horde part of the game would be useful, and then only switch over to the full rules listed above once you finally settle. Might be fun to have ways of taking control of other peoples' units while in horde mode: a power struggle of sorts. Perhaps ownership of the settled lands can be determined by who 'wins' the power struggle during the journey.

This is an awesome idea! :yes:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Btw, Franks can also become horde.

Anyway, what faction shall we use then?


Franks vs Vandals
3^#|Franks|Vandals
Starting FM's|2|2
FM's becoming of age in 10 turns|2|2
Starting stacks|1/3|6
Can horde|Yes|Yes
Start with settlement|Yes|No
Military|Strong Infantry, Weak missiles, Weak cavalry|Mediocre Infantry, Strong Missiles, Strong Cavalry(+Horse Archers)

[Madoushi]

I always get wiped out by the Vandals when I try to play the Goths. :

I wouldn't mind playing as the Franks or Saxons...

[TheFlax]

I'm definitely pro-Vandal, especially with the idea of traveling to North Africa vis Spain in Horde mode.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Lol, after I checked those two factions I like Vandals a lot more than before. :laugh4:

[Braden]

Never played Vandels in BI, didn't appeal to me so I might find it an interesting struggle to acclimatise. Willing to give it a go if its interesting though!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It will be interesting when WRE manages to survive the first few turns. As far as I remember, WRE in full power is :wall:

So, it's Vandals then?

I'll write that "Do not settle before Africa" into the Rules as well then.

[Braden]

lol...quick test battle and I'm all at sea with Vandals! Horse archers!?! What blasphemy is this! No infantry thats any good either?? Oh dear, think I'm gonna kill lots of our own people (snigger)

[Madoushi]

I suppose since I'm not going to be responsible for settlement management, I don't mind playing Vandals.
However, I can see myself 'losing' a lot of battles by running away when my arrows run out. XD

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think that the "Road to Africa" could be implemented as the first event?
This way the Rules can be overlooked(in most cases).

Edit: Though it's not that important but I had an idea that we change campaign map forts for the nomads to villages. They look a lot better. :shrug:

[Ignoramus]

I'm definitely interested in a game with the Vandals.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Civil War rules:

5. Civil War

1)Declaration of War
A Player must make a Declaration of War towards a specific Player in a public thread before they can attack any of that Player’s armies or settlements. Other Player's have 24 hours to join one side or the other. After that all Players who did not choose a side will be considered neutral. Players without avatars or with agents can not declare war upon another Player.

2)Ending a Civil War
A Civil War will end when all Players on one side are dead or all living Players on both sides publicly agree to a Peace Treaty. So long as it is limited to changes to the provinces, settlements, armies and retinue of the Players signing the Peace Treaty, it will be considered binding law. All terms of a Peace Treaty that go beyond these limits, particularly those that increase a Players influence or powers beyond those allowed by the rules, will only be binding if adopted by a two-thirds majority of the Council at the next normal session.

3)Civil Wars on the Campaign Map
While a Civil War is in progress, all players involved in the Civil War will lose their ability to make any moves on the campaign map. During the civil war the game will be frozen and the turn will not be advanced. The Civil War have 2 rounds on the campaign map: gather and move/attack. One round lasts 24 hours.
a)Gather - The player may gather units he owns that are located in the same province as his avatar, but which are not currently located in his avatar's army. All units specified in this manner will be teleported into the avatar's army. It's possible to gather units only during the first round. If Player enters a province he owns after the first round all units there will be considered reinforcements in battle but can not be added into the Players army.
b)Move/Attack - The player may move his avatar's army into any adjacent province. Player can not move his army into AI controlled province unless the faction is horde.
After the round ends, GM will implement all moves for players involved in the Civil War, utilizing the console. The orders will be executed simultaneously for all players. Movement will continue in this manner until two hostile player-controlled armies enter the same province. When this occurs, a PvP Battle will begin. All PvP Battles will be considered Meeting Engagements, in which neither side has a terrain advantage, unless one of the armies was Defending the province where the battle occurred. If this happens, the defending army will get a terrain advantage in the following manner: (1) If the province is owned by the Defender, the battle will be a siege assault of the settlement. (2) If the province is not owned by the Defender, the battle map will be chosen such that a terrain advantage, such as a high mountain, fort, or bridge is given to the Defender. The Umpire of the battle will determine the precise nature of the terrain advantage. There will be no unit recruitment during the Civil War.

4)PvP Battles
Whenever a PvP Battle occurs, if both players agree, the battle will be fought via multiplayer, with GM or anyone he chooses acting as umpire. The umpire will determine the map and the precise composition of the armies. If the battle is not fought via multiplayer then it will be fought either in a typical Throne Room tabletop battle style or as a abbreviated tabletop battle and will be umpired by GM or anyone he chooses. The umpire will determine all settings to be used in the battle, including the map and the precise composition of the armies. Regardless of the type of battle chosen, the umpire must attempt to have the battle replicate the in-game state of affairs to the best of his ability. Regardless of the type of battle chosen, the umpire will determine the results, including, but not limited to, units to be disbanded as casualties, avatars to be killed off as casualties, and changes in the control of provinces. Console commands may be used to implement the results.


TinCow, could you please name the thread: RTW:BI roleplaying game: Vandal Invasion

~:)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So, is there any other questions/suggestions/ideas/etc?

If not then we have decide who get's what character. Beside the two starting FM's there are also spy, assassin and diplomat available.
Does anyone have objections me becoming the GM? I have done this job before(I was GM in WotB) and thus have some idea what I have to do.

[Madoushi]

I'm cool with Ibn-Khaldun GMing.
Also I'm pretty new to this, so I don't mind if I have to wait to get a character. :book:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So, the current Sign up list:
Ibn-Khaldun - Duva, diplomat
Braden - Oza, spy
TheFlax - Visimar, leader
Madoushi
Ignoramus
Elite Ferret?
Lord of Lent

Available characters(copy-paste from descr_strat.txt file:shame:):

character Visimar, named character, leader, age 37, , x 157, y 126
traits FactionLeader 1, Warlord 1 , Despoiler 3 , GoodTrader 3 , GoodTaxman 3 , Intelligent 2 , LogisticalSkill 2 , Pagan 1
ancillaries overseer, scout, torturer, merchant, jeweller, swordbearer

character Gondegusulus, named character, heir, age 18, , x 159, y 125
traits FactionHeir 1, GoodCommander 1 , Pagan 1
ancillaries musician, herbalist, master_hunter

character Duva, diplomat, age 37, , x 154, y 129
traits Pagan 1

character Oza, spy, age 27, , x 155, y 126
traits GoodSpy 2 , Pagan 1

character Marcuui, assassin, age 17, , x 158, y 124
traits GoodAssassin 1

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
FM's who become of age soon:

character_record Maroboduus, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 14, alive, never_a_leader
Will be available on turn 4

character_record Gildo, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 12, alive, never_a_leader
Will be available on turn 6

Both are sons of the leader, Visimar.

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You can take one of the agents if you want or wait until those to FM's become available.
I'll take that diplomat.

Since we don't change anything in the game then there will be no mod for us. The first save will be posted soon.

If you want to add something into the rules or change something there then please post it now.

First event, "Road to Africa", will be posted in the Council thread once we have started the game.

:bow:

Edit: The starting save: VI-363s-0 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5195)

[TheFlax]

I'd take Maroboduus unless someone objects.

Rules look good Ibn, not to complicated and in line with what we are used to. I'm also good with you GMing and if you want help with something, I'm available. :wink:

[Braden]

Oza - I'll take the spy. Was going for a more active character but I think I'll have more fun with the spy! Muhahahhahah....

BTW - any mini-mods being used on this or is it Vanilla?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

No, it's just Vanilla. I thought mini mods will make things too complicated.

Also, if any of you don't want any of the current character then you can wait those 2 FM's. You can still take part of the Council Sessions and vote but can't become the Treasurer.

@TheFlax - If you want then you could help me with the history thread.

[TheFlax]

@TheFlax - If you want then you could help me with the history thread.

Sure, just tell me what to do. :yes:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Nothing too difficult.

Each turn update the history by adding a link to battle reports and stories. Or when something interesting happens in Council give a link there. I think it's much easier to update the history when something have just happened rather than updating it during each council session.

I'm also going to keep the Library as simple as possible. Should be easier to read it and updating it this way.

Edit: Perhaps merging library and history into one thread? You updating the post with history and I'm doing the same with the library posts?

[TheFlax]

Sounds good, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. I'll take care of it.

It might be a good idea to merge the two to avoid too many threads, then again it might make it a bit too "busy".

[Braden]

No, it's just Vanilla. I thought mini mods will make things too complicated.

Also, if any of you don't want any of the current character then you can wait those 2 FM's. You can still take part of the Council Sessions and vote but can't become the Treasurer.

@TheFlax - If you want then you could help me with the history thread.


Whilst fighting battles etc is more exciting I want to enter this PBeM with a more RP effort and I think Oza would be the best way to do this "Decius style". *wink*

[TheFlax]

I hadn't anticipated such a desire for agents. :clown:

I'll switch to Visimar then, unless someone really wants him. This way, we can start as soon as someone picks the FH.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@TheFlax - At the moment one thread for both library and history is a better option. Later, when it does look like too busy we can just ask TC to brake them into two threads.

@Braden - Oza's trait description("This man has a taste for reading other people's correspondence.") made me laugh and I pictured him as a postman reading peoples mails. :laugh4:


One more thing to discuss: Should we play the game in a new forum or should we stay in this one?

I have no problem playing in this forum but if someone else wants to start a big game like LotR or KotF then things might get confusing(threads with the new game idea mixed with this ones threads). Perhaps TinCow could share his opinion on this matter.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I hadn't anticipated such a desire for agents. :clown:

I'll switch to Visimar then, unless someone really wants him. This way, we can start as soon as someone picks the FH.

I picked Duva because this way I can play the game and in the same time be GM.
Having a faction leader or heir and trying to be the GM is too much work.
Especially considering the fact that I plan to start my WWI game next month.

[Lord of Lent]

I have been following you some time and this sounds interesting. I'm not sure if I'll join or not, but if I decide to, can I join later?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Of course you can! You can take part of the game even if you don't have in-game character. Discussions during Council meetings make the game interesting and there you can participate even without an avatar.

And welcome to the Org! ~:wave:

[Lord of Lent]

Okay, thank you for the reply. But how much time this this consume a week? Because I have also other things to do (like you all I believe).

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Between the Council session it doesn't consume much of your time. If you can check the threads once a day then that's it. Unless you want to become Treasurer. He have to be a bit more active. Council Sessions take more time since then people post more usually.

[Lord of Lent]

Okay, thanks. I'm really thinking about joining.

[Braden]

These things take as much time as you want them too! I can only access the forums from home so my input wont be to the same "inexhaustible" level as in previous ventures so checking out the Treasurer reports would be the minimum I guess and adding, if you want to, some comments from your Elder Warrior in the role play.

[Lord of Lent]

Thank you, Braden. But I'm afraid playing this roleplaying game as a horde nation will be difficult. Any advices to play this game?

[Braden]

I plan to RP as an individual. Hence the choice of a spy, however, its not that hard to RP with a horde faction. If your unfamiliar with the type of warrior government these races you might have to do some research to get into the "head space" (I intend to do some refreshing myself). Its far removed from the sort of organisation we have in other games (roman etc) but that's the challenge I think. My main pointer might be to just think of the character, where he is in the game and what he might want to achieve (looking at the initial traits helps me as well in this)....nothing wrong with being a loyal warrior to the cause of the Chieftain, likewise, nothing wrong with being a back stabbing git who just wants the power for himself! The Vandals weren't a mindless people bent on just destruction, if memory serves didn't a Visi-Goth become Emperor of Rome for a short time at one point?

There were reasons behind "horde", whilst I don't think the Vandals were nomadic peoples, they had other reasons for constantly moving (namely the Nomadic tribes pushing them out!)

[TheFlax]

I picked Duva because this way I can play the game and in the same time be GM.
Having a faction leader or heir and trying to be the GM is too much work.
Especially considering the fact that I plan to start my WWI game next month.

Just want to make it cleat I have no problem with Braden or you playing agents, especially since I have a history of playing Princesses. :clown:

Also, I want to throw in a welcome to Lord of Lent. ~:wave:

[Braden]

Just want to make it cleat I have no problem with Braden or you playing agents, especially since I have a history of playing Princesses. :clown:

Also, I want to throw in a welcome to Lord of Lent. ~:wave:

TF...you never have to quantify your comments to the likes of me. I had so much success playing Decius, I think I can replicate it here for everyone...(now to research Vandals! I know very little...lol)

EDIT - it was Theodoric the Great, King of the Ostrogoths who became Emperor of Rome (King of Italy...much the same I think at the time)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Well, vandals were not nomads in real history. ~;)

Also, I will post the other threads in a few days. There are still few people who haven't picked their characters yet.

Edit: Perhaps the Vandal Guide (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?54908-Vandals-%28BI-faction%29) in RTW Guides forum could help you to find something useful.

[TheFlax]

Just making sure my earlier comment wasn't misunderstood.

Perhaps we should do a thread with info on the Vandals and links? Help everyone joining the game get their bearings.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That is a good idea.
But keep in mind that this is Vanilla BI so... there isn't much you can do with the real history. :beam:

[Braden]

Good plan TF, perhaps we also need a dedicated Roleplay/IC discussion thread? (Guess we'll also need one for Treasurers reports too?)

We can keep this one for general chat about the game then.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@Braden >

Also, I will post the other threads in a few days. There are still few people who haven't picked their characters yet.

~:)

[Braden]

:idea2::laugh4::2thumbsup:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Sign up list and available characters are in the first post.
And I'll post the Vandals info thread asap.

[Madoushi]

Looks good so far!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, it does. What character will you take? Or you going to play without an avatar?

[Madoushi]

I wouldn't mind taking Gildo, if no one else wants him. :smile:

[TheFlax]

This game has suddenly inspired me to buy this (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1405160683/ref=ox_ya_oh_product) and this (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1592333036/ref=ox_ya_oh_product). Hopefully they will ship soon so I can post a bit about stuff I've read in the information thread. Like I did for the last two games in which I participated, I looked into clothing, but haven't found much, though I'll probably have a few images with that information post. :2thumbsup:

Also, Happy Birthday Braden! :balloon:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Happy Birthday Braden! :balloon3:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Btw, what have happened to Zim, Tristan and others who played these games before?
Haven't seen Zim posting for awhile..

[Lord of Lent]

I have one question: How do you cope with differences in time zones?

[Ignoramus]

Sorry for my inbox being full. I have cleared some space now.

[Braden]

Thanks for the birthday wishes, when you get this old you tend to try and forget! lol

LoL - Timezones are catered for by having a 48hr period for submitting things like game .sav files etc and as the role play is text based and much of it goes behind doors via PM's (well the secretive, backstabbing type does) that helps even it out. I'd be lying though to say there was a minor advantage to be working with people directly in the same time zone but that really on effects Character based Role play and not the physical mechanics or results of the game.

[Lord of Lent]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but how do you extract a file? Where should I place it? Because I have tried those games before but I was never able to play the file...

[TheFlax]

Go where ever you installed RTW, in the BI folder there should be a "saves" folder. Just extract the save file there and you are good.

[Braden]

LoL - the .sav files are located in the save folder of R:TW. Its pretty easy to find it and copy (don't cut&paste) the file. To import a file, you download the zipped .sav file from the link that'll be put on the forum thread and then unzip it and copy&paste it into the main save folder.

I can put up a fuller instruction later when I'm on my main PC (this one doesnt have any TW games on it for example purposes)

[Lord of Lent]

Okay, thank you all.

[Braden]

Cool.

Right-click on START > Explore

Select your main Hard Drive (I have two, Rome for me is on my "M" drive...likely to be "C" for normal users). So my Rome files are located:

M:\Program Files\Activision\Rome - Total War

There is a folder marked "bi" (barbarian Invasion file), within that you have the folder marked "saves"

this is where the .sav files (your game saves) are stored. You can copy&paste (CTRL+C) any from here or into here. Remember to name any saves YOU have and want to keep distinctly different from those that will be used for the PBeM game.

[Lord of Lent]

Right. Thanks

[Ibn-Khaldun]

There is a small problem with the save. I forgot to turn fog of war off when I checked some cities for the first event. :shame:
After the first council session is over I'll take the save and turn it off right before I declare it open.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Is there any important role I can fill?

[TheFlax]

Is there any important role I can fill?

Gondegusulus and Maroboduus are still available, they are the two eldest sons of Visimar.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I would like someone to take the heir, Gondegusulus. He controls a large army and I don't want to let him stay behind while we move forward. ~:)

[Lord of Lent]

Give me some time to think about it. Maybe I'll take the heir.

[Braden]

Not sure what the ETA for start is but I do know we've started work on setting the scene etc so (hate to pressure anyone), if anyone is willing to take Gondegusulus I think we'd like a commitment quite soon.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Ok, I'll be Gondegulsus.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@HKtG - He is yours then. Just remember that he have a quite important role in this game.

@LoL - You can always take one of Visimar's sons. You can still take part of the game even though they are not old enough to lead armies.

@Braden - I plan to open the Council Session on Friday, 9th April.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Library is updated with basic information. I'm surprised that the Heir, Gondegusulus, have more influence than the Kings!

Also, once we start the game I will post an OOC thread and keep this one for Rule Change proposals/discussions.

[Lord of Lent]

I'll take Maroboduus, unless somebody else really wants him...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

He is yours. :yes:

Stories thread is already open. If you want to post a story about you character then go ahead.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I was waiting for the co-op story to be posted before I start the Council session but I'll open the Council now since I don't have time later today.
Event 1 will also be posted.

[Cecil XIX]

I'll be following this, and in the meantime I'd appreciate it if you could put me in line for a family member.

[Ignoramus]

Can you put me in line for a family member too?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Cecil and Igno, both of you are in the list. :yes:

[Ferret]

I'll also be lurking in the background until a general is free :2thumbsup:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@EF - Looks like you have to wait until the sons of Gondegusulus(heir) will become of age. That's some 30 turns of waiting!

[TheFlax]

Ibn, you might want to change "Basileus" and "Chancellor" in the Status & Order Thread (first post) for "King" and "Treasurer". :wink:

[Braden]

I screwed up a little, took the save but didn't post that I did, not an issue....the report I filed still holds. I'll take the new save tomorrow evening (8pm BST) to replicate the move...Oza moves just over the bridge to the East that's all.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn, you might want to change "Basileus" and "Chancellor" in the Status & Order Thread (first post) for "King" and "Treasurer". :wink:

Thank you for noticing this mistake. :bow:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Also, TheFlax, it's your job to finish the turn. :rolleyes:

[TheFlax]

Also, TheFlax, it's your job to finish the turn. :rolleyes:

We're going with 48h turns, right? Anyways, I can only do this during the evening (Eastern time, GMT-5 I believe) and last evening for me, the save had been only posted for 12h. I'll finish the turn late this evening for me. (in 10h or so, unless someone asks me not to)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

4) Game Management

At the start of each turn, the Treasurer will post a report on the events of the last turn, including a save game file for the new turn. After the report is posted, players will have at least 24 hours to download the save, and make their personal moves. Players can move their avatars, move any unit or fleet their avatar owns, and fight any battles against the AI that they are capable of fighting with their avatar’s army. Player may also move any unit, fleet, or avatar they have been given specific permission to move by the respective owner, as long as that permission is posted in a public thread. The Treasurer may extend the time limit beyond 24 hours at his discretion, but all players are encouraged to act as swiftly as possible to keep the game moving. Players may not move avatars or armies into the territory of a neutral or allied faction without the permission of an edict. Nor may they attack the settlements or armies of neutral or allied factions without a declaration of war resulting from an edict.

You can extend it to 48 hours but I hope we can do it with 24 since there isn't many of us(me, Braden and you to be exact) who have something to do with the save at the moment.

[Braden]

I'm happy with that. Would it be easier for me to take a more active Avatar also?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Of course. Once some FM becomes available you can take him. But remember that those without avatars(Cecil&Co) will get the to choose first.

[TheFlax]

You can extend it to 48 hours but I hope we can do it with 24 since there isn't many of us(me, Braden and you to be exact) who have something to do with the save at the moment.

There's also Hannibal who plays the heir. Anyways, 24h was impossible for the first turn, it was 12h or 36h.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

There's also Hannibal who plays the heir. Anyways, 24h was impossible for the first turn, it was 12h or 36h.

Yeah, I forgot Hannibal. :shame:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Now that Visimar's two sons are about to become adults soon I planned a small Event.
This will be a sporting event and the two sons will have a chance to get some traits or ancillaries if they win.
Others can join in as well if they want some good RP material for the stories.
There will be following sports: sword fight, wrestling, riding with horse, shooting bow while riding.
Interested?

[TheFlax]

Visimar will observe his sons with a approving eye. :yes:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Btw, I found a small loophole in the rules. It's not that important though.
Currently, my SOT post forbids moving him and thus he can not be used by the Treasurer as a diplomat. However, in the same time I can't do diplomacy because only Treasurer can make diplomatic deals. So, all diplomatic deals we have to make are at my mercy unless edict that clearly says I have to help the Treasurer passes during the council session. :grin:

[Madoushi]

Sounds good to me!

[Lord of Lent]

Sounds good to me too? How do you want to do this?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

When Maroboduus turns 16(becomes of age) I will post an Event with the exact rules.
However, it's not very difficult. Basically the winner is chosen with dice rolls.

[TheFlax]

Apologies for the delays with this turn, the last two days have been hectic for me. I'm going to bed now but I'll advance the turn as soon as I get up, in less than 12 hours.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Event 2 is up. If you have any questions please ask them in here!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Meet Maroboduus:
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/Vandal%20Invasion/vi-maroboduus.jpg

I think Lord of Lent is pleased.

[Lord of Lent]

You're right. This is a great start!

[Braden]

Sorry, I'm a move behind. I didn't think I'd get the chance to move Oza last night so messaged TheFlax and updated my SoT's to try to get Oza near Aquincum but to no avail.

Not doing a very good spying job if i'm behind the armies!! :dizzy2:

[TheFlax]

Sorry Braden, it completely slipped my mind. :embarassed:

Its noted now and I'll move him when I do end turns if you haven't already.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The Sign ups for the Event 2 will be up for another 24 hours.
TheFlax, perhaps you show to your sons how real warriors fight? :tongue:

[TheFlax]

OOC I'm somewhat afraid to lose face, because of the randomness of the contest it could go either way. It would even be worse to lose to an NPC. :embarassed:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You shouldn't worry too much. Visimar already have less Influence than his heir so there is not much to lose! :laugh4:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

About the Event and sending PM's.

The First challenges are riding and archery.
So, your PM should look something like this:

Round 1
Riding: 2, 3, 5
Archery: 5, 3, 6
Round 2
Riding: 1, 2, 3
Archery: 3, 4, 5
And that's it.
I will then determine who wins and post a small write up.
After that it's time for the second challenges: sword fight and wrestling.
And your PM should look like this:

Sword fight
Round 1: 4, 3, 5
Round 2: 2, 1, 5
Wrestling
Round 1: 6, 3, 4
Round 2: 3, 3, 5
Once I have the PM's I will determine the winners for these challenges and post a write up.
Then, I'll announce the rewards.
It is quite possible that one of the NPC's will win one of these events.

[TheFlax]

This is a .rar file. I cannot open it...

Grab WinRAR (http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm) it opens pretty much any compressed files. (.zip, .ace, .7z, .rar, and so forth)

[TheFlax]

Save back. I took control of an army and moved it near Visimar's stack.

How do I upload it again? Sorry for my ignorance...

I use Mediafire (http://www.mediafire.com/), no need to register and you can upload for free.

[TheFlax]

I was looking through the rules again and I noticed this:


Players may not move avatars or armies into the territory of a neutral or allied faction without the permission of an edict.

Does this mean most of us have broken the rules? It does seems a bit combersome for a horde faction though.

[Braden]

@ Lord of Lent - the Org has its own uploader: 2010 Uploader (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=201)

I use winrar to zip the files and upload them there using the simple "add entry"

@ The Flax - I agree, does seem a bit "unhordey" that one...perhaps an OOC review of that seeing as we've already pretty much broken that rule! lol.....BTW - have PM'd you Oza's latest report, some interesting things...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@TheFlax - The rules were mostly copied from the rules of previous games. However, previous games always had starting settlements and thus I must have missed this when we decided to use Vandals as our faction.
So, the official ruling is:

Currently we don't have to follow this part("Players may not move avatars or armies into the territory of a neutral or allied faction without the permission of an edict.") of the Rules. However, during the next Council Session Rule Change that removes/rewrites this sentence must be proposed.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Madoushi and Lord of Lent, could you send me those PM's. You can put all the numbers for those 4 challenges into one PM so that I could end this Event faster!

[Madoushi]

I sent mine days ago.. did you not recieve it?

[Lord of Lent]

I will send you a PM as soon as possible Ibn-Khaldun.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'm waiting... waiting... still waiting... :rolleyes:

[TheFlax]

Since almost no one took the save, I'll postpone it until 8h from now. After that, I really need to play it, because for the next 72h, I won't have internet or a gaming computer. Sunday evening (EST) I'll be able to take back the save again.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Understood. :yes:

[Madoushi]

I went and sent my numbers again :grin:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I got them Madoushi. I'm waiting LoL to send his. When you first time sent them I think I read the PM but then forgot it. :shame:

[TheFlax]

Since the save haven't picked up by anyone other than Ibn when I came back a few hours ago and considering that we are already pretty spread out, I'm extending this turn until I come back. When I come back Sunday evening (EST), I will play the turn regardless of who have moved their characters, so please take this opportunity to move your characters. Thank you.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I will post the results of the challenges soon. Must say, one of you was really-really lucky!

[Lord of Lent]

Was it me, I-K?

EDIT: Glad everything is fixed!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes you were. You won 3 events(though 2 were very narrow victories).

[Madoushi]

Welp, looks like Gildo's getting Dull/Charismatic/Unvigourous. :grin:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

To be honest, I can't wait the results of the first battle! TheFlax, care to end this turn? :rolleyes:
(I hope you fight it out before the next Council Session!)

[TheFlax]

To be honest, I can't wait the results of the first battle! TheFlax, care to end this turn? :rolleyes:
(I hope you fight it out before the next Council Session!)

I'm at work right now, I'll end the turn when I get home.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

TheFlax, very good stories! :2thumbsup:

Starting to think that I should have taken one of the generals when I had the chance! :laugh4:

[TheFlax]

TheFlax, very good stories! :2thumbsup:

Starting to think that I should have taken one of the generals when I had the chance! :laugh4:

Thanks, the first story felt a bit rushed since I'm pretty busy right now. I'm hoping they start adding a bit of intrigue to the game. :yes:

I feel for you about the general thing, having played mostly an agent in LotR and KotF.

[TheFlax]

History thread has been updated to the current turn.

[TheFlax]

Stories for the two battles this turn might be slower in coming, I'll see what I can do.

Also, by my calculations this is the last turn before our second council session!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, You are correct. This is the last turn before the Council Session.

[TheFlax]

I have not besieged Campus Quadi yet, but I'll be there in about one turn.

I moved him there, with his army, because you posted you wanted to attack it and I wanted to avoid too many generals lagging behind. The attack is still up to you, but you are now right next to Campus Quadi.

[Lord of Lent]

Oh, thanks!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

RC discussion thread is up. Forgot to create it when I started the Council Session. I hope all discussion over the Rules will take place there in the future.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ok, the Council Session will be open for another 12 hours. After that I will end it and will post the poll.

[TheFlax]

Are we still on for that poll? Even though I'm moving tomorrow, I'll try to drop in and vote. :wink:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I kept the Council Session open hoping that LoL's Edict will get another second but that did not happen. I'm going to put up the poll for the Rule change now.

[TheFlax]

Yeah, its hard to get two seconds with this small pool of players. Perhaps we should PM those waiting for a character when a council session pops up, it could also be a good time to advertise. Sort of like: "Come and help shape the destiny of the Vandals, blah blah blah." with a short sort list of the current issues, links to important stuff going on and what not. A bit like a newsletter now that I think of it.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That is a good idea! I also thought after I put up voting poll that perhaps we should change the rule so that it needs only 1 person to second edicts that are proposed by people with avatars. This makes our life a lot easier during the Council sessions as long as we get some more players. And perhaps we might even get some edicts passed as laws! :beam:

[Braden]

Sorry to report but I'm going to step out of this game for a short while. I've just got too much work on and in my spare time I've got several LRP and Airsoft events to either write plot for or organise. I will look to come back in a week or so when I get some more spare time and perhaps take a more active character if one is available.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So, Oza will be an open agent then?

[Lord of Lent]

I am travelling to the Azores today and I will not be back until saturday the 15th. I will have no acces to internet when I am there, so I will not be able to do anything for VI until I am back. If the third Council Session would have started before I am back, please extend the session time so I am able to respond.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Could you please update your SOT so that I could move your avatar and army. Otherwise he will be left where he currently is.

[TheFlax]

Ibn, don't I get a reward for sacking Acquincum?


2. The following settlements must be captured in the following order: Aquincum, Augusta Treverorum, Corduba.

3. When Player captures one of the target settlements he will receive reward. Rewards can be traits, ancillaries or units.

Also, I haven't forgotten about writing a battle report for the sacking of Aquincum, I've just been rather busy with moving this week, which I am now done doing. (Well, there are still a lot of boxes to unpack :clown:) So I'm aiming to do it at the latest by Saturday.

[Lord of Lent]

I already did, Ibn.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn, don't I get a reward for sacking Acquincum?


Yes, you will. You get it soon.


I already did, Ibn.

Good! :2thumbsup:

[TheFlax]

Yes, you will. You get it soon.

Thanks! :yes:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@TheFlax

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
You, great king of the Vandals, sacked this Roman city called Aquincum. You may now choose your reward.
Options:
1) Visimar receives GoodCommander(next level), GoodSiegeAttacker and HaleAndHearty traits.
2) Visimar converts to christianity and receives Christian, ChristianArianHeresy and PoliticsSkill traits.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Btw, TheFlax, that save in the "Treasurer Reports thread" is from the Winter of 367 and not from the Summer of 368.

[TheFlax]

@TheFlax

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
You, great king of the Vandals, sacked this Roman city called Aquincum. You may now choose your reward.
Options:
1) Visimar receives GoodCommander(next level), GoodSiegeAttacker and HaleAndHearty traits.
2) Visimar converts to christianity and receives Christian, ChristianArianHeresy and PoliticsSkill traits.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Btw, TheFlax, that save in the "Treasurer Reports thread" is from the Winter of 367 and not from the Summer of 368.

I'll take the first option please.

As for the save, I must have forgotten to press the end turn, but I'm pretty sure all the moves were done at the end of turn.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'll take the first option please.

As for the save, I must have forgotten to press the end turn, but I'm pretty sure all the moves were done at the end of turn.

I will just end that turn then.

Btw, Visimars influence is only 1! That Overseer ancillary is dragging his influence down.

[TheFlax]

I'm seeing his influence at 3 actually.

Should I do a battle report for Maroboduus' raid on Campus Quadi?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'm seeing his influence at 3 actually.

King
Requirements: Must be in-game faction leader.
Influence: Equal to half the in-game Influence stats.

Visimar have 3 Influence "wreaths" in-game(in RTW:BI). So, according to rules, he have only 1 Influence during the Council Sessions(maximum would be 5).
I thought this could be used as a cause for civil wars and this doesn't make the king too overpowered currently when we have so few players. This can be changed with a Rule Change when ever you want.


Should I do a battle report for Maroboduus' raid on Campus Quadi?

You should ask that from Lord of Lent. Perhaps he want to write a story about it or something.

[TheFlax]

Visimar have 3 Influence "wreaths" in-game(in RTW:BI). So, according to rules, he have only 1 Influence during the Council Sessions(maximum would be 5).
I thought this could be used as a cause for civil wars and this doesn't make the king too overpowered currently when we have so few players. This can be changed with a Rule Change when ever you want

Okay, I thought you meant in game.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Perhaps I should rephrase that so it could be more clear then..

[TheFlax]

Perhaps I should rephrase that so it could be more clear then..

No, I understood the half in game influence rule, I simply thought your initial comment was about Visimar's in game influence and not his influence by the rules. Basically, it was just one big misunderstanding. :wink:

[TheFlax]

I have to ask, how hard is it in BI to raise your influence stat? Is Visimar an anomaly? I don't mind having only 1 influence by the rules, but I find it odd that everyone else has a fixed influence, while they also have an influence stat, with the king being the exception. I think this rule is a hold over from Authority in M2TW, right? (all other characters except the king having Loyalty instead of that stat.)

Also, shouldn't the 1/2 influence stat be rounded up? It makes for a much more even spread.

1-2 = 1
3-4 = 2
5-6 = 3
7-8 = 4
9-10 = 5

Anyways, that's just food for thought, I'm not complaining or anything.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I have to ask, how hard is it in BI to raise your influence stat? Is Visimar an anomaly? I don't mind having only 1 influence by the rules, but I find it odd that everyone else has a fixed influence, while they also have an influence stat, with the king being the exception. I think this rule is a hold over from Authority in M2TW, right? (all other characters except the king having Loyalty instead of that stat.)

Also, shouldn't the 1/2 influence stat be rounded up? It makes for a much more even spread.

1-2 = 1
3-4 = 2
5-6 = 3
7-8 = 4
9-10 = 5

Anyways, that's just food for thought, I'm not complaining or anything.

1. The best way to raise someones Influence is to put him into the city as a governor or let him fight some heroic battles. The first option is not an option currently and Visimar have fought only small number of battles and in most of these he have outnumbered the enemy. If he manages to destroy those two Roman armies that were in North-Italy I think his Influence might rise. Also, you should check his ancillaries. That "Overseer" ancillary is giving -1 Influence. I think that was the only one.

2. Yes, this is a hold over from Authority in M2TW.

3. I think I thought about the system you proposed but can't remember I didn't chose it. Actually, it looks like a better way to determine the kings influence.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Since Hannibal Khan the Great had to withdraw playing Gondegusulus then he is currently open. I have sent a PM to Cecil who is the first one in the list of those who wait an avatar. Hopefully he is still interested joining us!.

[TheFlax]

Since Hannibal Khan the Great had to withdraw playing Gondegusulus then he is currently open. I have sent a PM to Cecil who is the first one in the list of those who wait an avatar. Hopefully he is still interested joining us!.

Could Gondesguslus get a small teleport? He's lagging so far behind that whoever gets him can only move for several seasons and not do much else.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If someone takes him then I could move him(and his army) near one of the other 3 generals.

[TheFlax]

Can we have an extension? I've been crazy busy yesterday and this morning. Actually, I'll probably still be busy tonight, but if you can wait about 15h or more, I'll be able to do my turn. If you really want to push on, then can you ignore my Status and Order post and move me West?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I could wait since I still wait a response from Cecil.

Edit: Also, I have a bad feeling that we have to replace Madoushi as well. ~:(

[TheFlax]

Did you PM him?

I'm looking forward to when Braden is back!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, I sent a PM to him but he haven't been active in the Org for a while. Hope he comes back and joins us!

[TheFlax]

Please go ahead and end the turn (and move my character West), I'm having trouble with RTW and I'm too busy to fix it right now. I'll take a look at it tomorrow. Sorry, this was rather unexpected.

[Lord of Lent]

I'm back. Did I miss anything important I cannot read here?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Hannibal Khan the Great had to leave us and I am trying to get another player for Gobdegusulus.
Also, Maroboduus(btw that is you :tongue:), sacked Campus Quadii.

Other than that, nothing much have happened.

[TheFlax]

About the whole Alemanni thing, personally I just wanted to other players than I to have some action. :wink: Though debate at will, its interesting.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Actually I thought about attacking Alemanni with our captain myself when I ended that turn and they were stopped! :laugh4:

Anyway, since Cecil haven't been active and haven't read his PM's then I contacted Ignoramus. But it looks like we need a player for Gildo as well since Madoushi haven't been active in TR and he haven't read PM's I have sent to him. I would like to see all characters active when the Third Council Session starts.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ignoramus will join as Gondegusulus. :bow:

Now I have to find another player for Gildo as well.

[Lord of Lent]

I'm still with you, Ibn! I should have told, but I had some problems with my internet connection. I hope it's solved now.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Good to know. This place started to look like a ghost town!:tumbleweed:

[TheFlax]

Still here, as I said busy week, I'm planning to play my turn today. Sorry.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Good! Just remember that we are at peace with the Romans! ~;)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Taking the save.

EDIT: Save back: http://www.mediafire.com/file/hhtwyztuzmy/VI-372w-1.sav

Moved Marodobuus west.

Two things:

1) The save you posted is the same one I posted. Maroboduus haven't been moved. Can I move him myself? Looks like you forgot to save.

2) When you take the save and make your moves, then save the game with the next number.
Like this:
1. I post the report and the save as VI-372w-1
2. Someone else takes it, saves and uploads it as VI-372w-2
3. You take the save and make your moves. When you are done you save it as VI-372w-3 and upload it with the same name.
4. Someone else takes the save and makes his moves. When done, he saves and uploads the game save as VI-372w-4
Etc.

[Lord of Lent]

I know Ibn. But I'm having problems with uploading my saved games since 368. You can move Maroboduus until I have solved this. Do you know who I should ask for technical help?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You have problems with mediafire?

And I will move Maroboduus.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I PM'd some people(spammer as I am) and hopefully there will be some talking during this Council Session ~:)

[The Celtic Viking]

I PM'd some people(spammer as I am)

Well, it's nice to know I'm still on your hotlist, honey. ~:flirt:

I think I'm in. If I find some time between studies and other RL stuff, I may inspect the cogs and screws of this game tomorrow; otherwise I'll do it on Thursday afternoon, after my exam. All I need is a good name... hmm...

[Lord of Lent]

You have problems with mediafire?

And I will move Maroboduus.

Thank you. Yes, I do have problems. I certainly need some troubleshooting to find out what the problem is. The first saves worked perfectly...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@TCV - Of course you are. You were one of the most dedicated player in WotB and it would be nice to have someone stir up this game as well. ~;)

If you need any info about previous events in this game then let me know.

One thing about having an avatarless character is that you can show up when ever you want and if you don't have time then your characters disappearance will not affect the game much.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Thank you. Yes, I do have problems. I certainly need some troubleshooting to find out what the problem is. The first saves worked perfectly...

I have said this before but you should try to use Org's uploader.


Just click Links/Downloads.
Now, you should select 2010 from the PBM category.
Under Home/Forum/Chat etc you should see Add Entry. Click it.
Enter the name of the file(in our case VI-370s-2), scroll down to Upload file and upload your file. Finally press Submit.
Then you can see recently uploaded files. Just copy link location to your file and post it in here.

Hope this helps. https://forums.totalwar.org/images/smilies/misc/smile.gif

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The Council Session will be open for another day after that I'll post the poll.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

OOC: To clarify, the rule change I'm asking someone to propose is one that would allow me to command one captain-led stack for as long as it is led by a captain, or until I am removed from that charge in one way or another.

Looks like Madoushi who played Gildo is inactive as well. So, you could take control of him. I could teleport his army near one of the FM's in west(Visimar or Maroboduus) if you take him.

[The Celtic Viking]

Excellent! Gildo is mine. If anyone wants Boiocalus... ~;)

I suppose if you teleport me to Visimar I can take care of that Alemanni prince for him.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'll do it once the voting is over.

Just so that you know who is who, current players are:
Ibn-Khaldun - Duva
TheFlax - Visimar
Ignoramus - Gondegusulus
Lord of Lent - Maroboduus
The Celtic Viking - Gildo

Though, something tells me you already know that.

2 sons of Gondegusulus will become of age soon as well. So, that means I need to find 2 players for them too.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I will end the turn tomorrow after work.

[TheFlax]

Ok, got the game working again and checked the save, I think I'll continue waiting the Alemanni out, even if that's not very exciting, I think its the safest course of action.

[TheFlax]

Two questions. Is the Alemanni city close to surrender? Yes, still waiting on that... All those bodyguard units scare me. :laugh4: Also, I recall recently you said the WRE took the Alemanni as a client state, does that mean we are back at war with them?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Two questions. Is the Alemanni city close to surrender? Yes, still waiting on that... All those bodyguard units scare me. :laugh4: Also, I recall recently you said the WRE took the Alemanni as a client state, does that mean we are back at war with them?

Still 3(or was it 4) turns before it surrenders. No, we are not at war with the WRE. RTW AI thinks that we and WRE are perfect buddies. The fact that they have brought about 1,5 stack of troops near the border is just another friendly act(just like me hiding 2 stacks of our forces into their land:grin:).

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Have been busy with the WWI game and haven't had time for this. :shame:

I'll advance the turn now. However, could someone explain why Gondegusulus' son haven't become of age? The oldest one is 17 already.

Also, I'll be gone from today to sunday.

[The Celtic Viking]

I don't know; the only thing I can think of is because we're a horde. They spawn in settlements, and when you don't have any... maybe? I didn't play BI too much, and never as a horde; even if I had, it's so long since, I probably wouldn't remember.

[Lord of Lent]

But Maroboduus, my avatar, did become of age while in a horde. Maybe there's a max. of family members you can have in a horde?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think that this is something to do with Maroboduus and Gildo being mentioned in the descr_strat.txt file while the sons of Gondegusulus were not. :shrug:

[Lord of Lent]

I'ts getting quiet...

[The Celtic Viking]

Cue the tumbleweed.

Is this game put on ice? (Mmmm.... ice...)

[Lord of Lent]

Good morning, this is your wake up call! HELLO EVERYBODY?

[Cecil XIX]

I'm still available to play, if there's a space open for me.

[Lord of Lent]

Your welcome, if there's any space and if this game will ever continue...

[Lord of Lent]

If the're is any point in telling this...

I'm not able to use internet for 2 weeks because I am on a holiday.