Death of Eugene Terre'Blanche [Archive]

Louis VI the Fat

04-04-2010, 00:34

It is .org policy to save the politics until the funeral.

The circumstances of his death are tragic, and speak volumes of this troubled land that touched me so deeply during my all too brief stay there.

South African white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche has been killed on his farm in the country's north-west.

Mr Terreblanche, 69, was beaten to death after a dispute over unpaid wages, local media reports said. Two people are said to have been arrested.
Mr Terreblanche, who campaigned for a separate white homeland, came to prominence in the early 1980s.
He became the champion of a tiny minority determined to stop the process that was bringing apartheid to an end.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8602347.stm

As they say, 'nomen est omen'. Terreblanche, rather ironically, means 'white land'. It is his real name too.

Fragony

04-04-2010, 08:44

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/7530497/Zumas-heir-blamed-for-inciting-attacks-on-South-Africas-white-farmers.html

Time to get out.

Rhyfelwyr

04-04-2010, 13:06

RIP

Troubling news from a troubled land. :shame:

tibilicus

04-04-2010, 17:03

I read an article about this guy in the Observer (Guardian on Sunday) today.

I get that he wasn't particularly a nice guy but what annoyed me about the article was the way it focused on his "horrible crimes and terrorist bombings" as if that was some how unusual in South Africa during the Apartheid era. It's like the guy writing it had somehow forgotten about the countless bombings carried out by the ANC and the even more disgusting and brutal killings carried out by it's hard line element, which wasn't a minority by the way. Let's not forget, that the "mother of South Africa", Winnie Mandela, advocated beatings and mob executions for those who collaborated with the white community and she herself was guilty of murdering a child, despite her denial of it.

My point being that Terre'Blanche's death highlights the problem with SA as a whole, there seems to be this fantastical idea that the "rainbow nation" was born out of a glorious campaign to topple those who would deny the majority their rights. The reality is that modern day South Africa was born out of hatred and shocking violence. A lot of Blacks hate the white man with a passion and it's pretty common for people to be killed simply because they're a certain colour. All that's happened since apartheid ended was the whites went and gated themselves off and the hatred sunk bellow the surface. I believe then that like much of the African continent, SA needs to think carefully about the current path it's treading and needs to do more to combat the hate on both sides, before it simmers to the surface.

This guy wasn't a particularity nice guy, unfortunately however SA is full of guys who aren't nice, both black and white.

The Wizard

04-04-2010, 18:03

A man like this getting killed in a manner like this... it bodes ill for South Africa. Here's hoping it won't boil over.

Tristuskhan

04-04-2010, 20:49

It's like the guy writing it had somehow forgotten about the countless bombings carried out by the ANC

"Acts of Resistance against Oppression", as one could call them. Just saying...

tibilicus

04-04-2010, 21:25

"Acts of Resistance against Oppression", as one could call them. Just saying...

Of course.

It's amazing though how the context in which murder is carried out changes it from right to wrong in peoples eyes. I'm not saying what Mandelas ANC did is bad, indeed it was necessary. I'm talking more about the people within the ANC (which wasn't a small number by any extent) who saw "Necklacing" as a just way to carry out justice, both for whites and supposed collaborates. There was a famous video a couple of years ago of a group of these guys beating and burning a young girl to death because she "collaborated" with the government of the time, I wont have the distaste to post it.

Point being that Nelson and many other black Africans did fight the good fight, many others however were just as bad as the AWB and just as brutal and gruesome. Mandela is a powerful personality, not even his goodness and genuine human compassion is enough to hide the disgusting acts many of his followers carried out whilst he was behind bars though.

It just annoys me how Zuma and many within the current government talk about the ANC like champions and saints when in fact many were guilty of committing crimes which are quite frankly sickening. Other resistance movements within the same era never committed such inhumane atrocities. Basically the ANC like to sing "kill the boer" in public whilst denying their own part in creating the crime ridden SA of today. It gets to a point where you simply can't continue blaming the white man..

Edit: Here's a link to the whole "kill the boer" controversy btw.http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE62T0IM20100330

Furunculus

04-04-2010, 22:01

sad that this murdered, it bodes ill for south africa.

the country needs to take a long hard look at zimbabwe and decide if that's the path it wants to follow................

Myrddraal

04-04-2010, 22:30

I read an interesting comment by a white farmer who said that the situation for white farmers was already much more dangerous in South Africa than in Zimbabwe. I'm sure it was on the bbc, but I can't find the article...

Furunculus

04-04-2010, 23:04

i mention zimbabwe because the decision to embark on a cretinous societal struggle against past injustice has achieved nothing but future misery poverty and agony for those same people.

Rhyfelwyr

04-04-2010, 23:54

Say what you will about Terreblanche, you know your countries got problems when your President rapes a woman and then washes his privates in the shower to ensure he doesn't get AIDS.

naut

04-05-2010, 05:48

the country needs to take a long hard look at zimbabwe and decide if that's the path it wants to follow................
There is every chance it could happen. And I can't say I'd be surprised.

Fragony

04-05-2010, 08:53

Furunculus

04-05-2010, 14:25

There is every chance it could happen. And I can't say I'd be surprised.

just so long as south africa doesn't expect me to show any enthusiasm for giving aid to help pick up the pieces afterwards:
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"

South Africa has no excuses, and I will permit it none.

Strike For The South

04-05-2010, 22:30

You reap what you sow

Tellos Athenaios

04-05-2010, 22:39

Yes, you do. Which means SA had better be careful the next 20 years or so when the second generation that has no direct connection with the apartheid comes to power.

Tristuskhan

04-05-2010, 22:57

You reap what you sow

Strike you're precious. The man was murdered because he was a boss stupid enough not to pay his employee's wages it seems, not for his stinkin' racial views. Anyway, a Prophet of Hate (TM) has gone. I'd love him to have no replacement.

Strike For The South

04-05-2010, 23:01

Strike you're precious. The man was murdered because he was a boss stupid enough not to pay his employee's wages it seems, not for his stinkin' racial views. Anyway, a Prophet of Hate (TM) has gone. I'd love him to have no replacement.

Thank you,

You're also precious if you can't read between the lines

tibilicus

04-05-2010, 23:22

Yes, you do. Which means SA had better be careful the next 20 years or so when the second generation that has no direct connection with the apartheid comes to power.

And that next generation is one which I feel could easily steer the country towards ruin. The ANC youth wing is even more left than the current ANC leadership. Recently, as I previously mentioned, the youth wing leader caused controversy by singing "kill the boer, kill the farmer" at an ANC rally. This was deemed by a regional high court to be hate speech and unconstitutional, quite rightly so. Did the ANC accept this and acknowledge there wrong doing? No. Instead they plan to appeal against the ruling.

If only the vast majority would put their hate which was sewn as a result of apartheid behind them then maybe the county could move forwards. It also shows what little effect the truth and reconciliation talks did. I think if most people lined up the ANC's mixture of race and pretty far left politics against the Democratic Alliances more moderate and quite frankly logical policies then the best party for the country would be obvious. But no, they will continue voting for the corrupt and poor ruling ANC which has steadily become more extreme with each subsequent president and will continue to ignore the DA simply because it's led by a white women. Despite the fact Helen Zille is a fantastic politician and despite the odds, as mayor of Cape Town, managed to produce a city which excels over the rest in South Africa which are controlled by ANC officials. I would be proud to put a tick on the ballot paper if we had a politician like her in the UK.

Tristuskhan

04-05-2010, 23:53

Thank you,

You're also precious if you can't read between the lines

Try to read about the situation of the white working class in South Africa, you're likely to discover that injustice knows no color of skin down there. An exploited worker is liable to make his own "justice" when he knows the judicial system won't do any good to him. No matter if he's black or white. South African society is deeply unfair. I don't believe racial strife is the only issue in this affair.

Strike For The South

04-06-2010, 00:44

Try to read about the situation of the white working class in South Africa, you're likely to discover that injustice knows no color of skin down there. An exploited worker is liable to make his own "justice" when he knows the judicial system won't do any good to him. No matter if he's black or white. South African society is deeply unfair. I don't believe racial strife is the only issue in this affair.

ASSUME ASSUME ASSUME THATS ALL YOU FRENCHMAN DO.

In two weeks you will owe me an aplogy

Megas Methuselah

04-06-2010, 03:13

Huh. This was a good read.

Major Robert Dump

04-06-2010, 04:50

The race war in SA could be solved if a hot musician would go to a historical site and disrobe for the sake of art. Then everyone would drop their guns, their shanks, their hate-crime penises and instead embrace one another in a mass orgy of understanding. Or they would rape the crap out of her.

Fragony

04-06-2010, 07:42

Strike you're precious. The man was murdered because he was a boss stupid enough not to pay his employee's wages it seems, not for his stinkin' racial views.

Why are you so sure about that, haven't been following developments in SA have you. Whites better get the hell out of there while they still can.

Kill the Boer

Tristuskhan

04-06-2010, 19:08

Why are you so sure about that, haven't been following developments in SA have you. Whites better get the hell out of there while they still can.

Kill the Boer

See post N°21... Thanks. Blacks also better get the hell out of there, but well, they still can't.

tibilicus

04-06-2010, 19:26

See post N°21... Thanks. Blacks also better get the hell out of there, but well, they still can't.

Actually, technically they're the ones endorsing it. A vote for the ANC is a vote for the death of South Africa. Of course, why vote any other way?

Tristuskhan

04-06-2010, 19:54

Actually, technically they're the ones endorsing it. A vote for the ANC is a vote for the death of South Africa. Of course, why vote any other way?

I just try to imagine someone oversimplyfying (sp?) things the same way about any European country. What would you think?

tibilicus

04-06-2010, 20:48

I just try to imagine someone oversimplyfying (sp?) things the same way about any European country. What would you think?

It may be oversimplifying but I'm also making an accurate assertion. Just like every other far left nationalistic group in the African continent, the ANC has achieved very little in it's years in power. Crime is worse than ever, serious problems like AIDS are dismissed as mere "myth" by the president and so called "wealth redistribution" doesn't work and is simply a more politically correct name for taking over productive business, destroying it and and then distributing the ruined remains to the population (although most goes to government insiders).

As long as the ANC and it's supporters continue with such policies the wounds of South Africa will never heal. Instead of destroying business and jobs simply because a white man runs it, why not invest in well established business and use it to boost employment and create new industries. Now, don't get me wrong, the white community in SA also needs to put behind it's own fears of the modern day South Africa in order for the country to start working. Of course, this isn't easy to do when not only is the population so racially polarised, but like much of Africa, ethnic divisions also divide the country. Zulus and Xhosas have their own divisions and differences for example. The attacks on Zibaweans back in 2008 again show more internal division between people of the same colour, so no, it's not all about race.

The point is though, Africa is driven by so many divisions, there's so much hate and I don't think any one knows how to fix it. Groups like the ANC aren't the cause of these divisions, but in my opinion they build on such divisions and use them to gain the support of the majority, at the expense of the minority. As long as South Africans keep buying it however and keep on ignoring respectable groups like the Democratic Alliance, South Africa will never heal..

Vladimir

04-06-2010, 20:54

Time to call in the Cylons.

Fragony

04-07-2010, 01:43

I just try to imagine someone oversimplyfying (sp?) things the same way about any European country. What would you think?

It is what it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT34ymDKMhQ

Tristuskhan

04-07-2010, 16:48

It may be oversimplifying but I'm also making an accurate assertion.

Definitely.

Just like every other far left nationalistic group in the African continent, the ANC has achieved very little in it's years in power.

Far left? Far left of what? I fail to see how ANC is FAR left. But anyway, all your points stand well.

tibilicus

04-09-2010, 16:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpIcwctC7nQ

Here's what I mean when I say the ANC need to take a good long look at themselves. Government officials should never act in such a way..

Seamus Fermanagh

04-09-2010, 17:28

tibilicus

04-09-2010, 17:42

I'm not a big fan of the ANC, but I think you're tilting at windmills Tib.

1. This guy threw out a journalist -- something many politicos would envy. The newsie was not arrested or beaten, etc.

2. The ANC is the only credible source of leadership available -- none of the other factions has the credibility or the broad appeal.

3. It'll probably end up being like Mexico's PRI. The SA public will not engage in a counter-revolution, and that's what it'd take.

I have no problem with him throwing out the journalist, what I have a problem with is his reference to "that white tendency". That simply isn't an acceptable response simply because the journalist asked him about the ANC's involvement with Zimbabwe, or at least I think that's what the topic was on. I personally feel that certain people within the ANC carry a very unhealthy view of the party as still being "revolutionary" and still fighting the good fight.

What South Africa needs is stability and time to grow, not another revolution. The modern democracy is still young, it's not even been about 20 years. The ANC in my opinion needs to show some restraint and not only keep the obvious nutters in their party on a leash, but as a party it also needs to preach a message of development, not revolution. I don't wish to make sweeping generalisations of the whole ANC party, a lot of those who hold government positions are actually pretty moderate. There is however a significant radical element which in my opinion has little place in the modern SA, this applies equally to radical white groups like the AWB.

I also mention the Democratic alliance as an alternative a few posts back but I'll leave you to read those if you wish Seamus.

EDIT:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304222504575173684255258518.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

Well that's a start. Maybe now they might consider retiring this guy from his role as youth leader..

rvg

04-15-2010, 20:55

ANC is waiting. It's waiting for Nelson Mandela to die, and once that happens, ANC will start a country-wide genocide against white population that will make Zimbabwe pale in comparison.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-15-2010, 21:10

ANC is waiting. It's waiting for Nelson Mandela to die, and once that happens, ANC will start a country-wide genocide against white population that will make Zimbabwe pale in comparison.

Evidence?

What you say is not impossible, of course, but who would be the ANC's Stalin to Mandela's Lenin? You're painting with a broad brush.

rvg

04-15-2010, 21:15

Evidence? Two words: Julius Malema.

Rhyfelwyr

04-15-2010, 22:25

That Malema does seem a bit extreme... there was a piece on the BBC where he said Robert Mugabe was his hero. :dizzy2:

And then he's out singing "kill the boer". I don't know how representative he is of the ANC though, it wouldn't be surprising that they might have a few zealots in their youth wing.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-16-2010, 03:25

He does seem to be a piece a work. Rhyf' has the best question of it, though. Is he fringe or would he get real power?

Is he a safety valve that lets off enough fringer pressure to let the rest get to work or does he embody the supressed goals of a majority of the ANC leadership?

Furunculus

04-16-2010, 08:12

all i'm saying is that if they attempt to do a mugabe, and the populace is stupid enough to go along with it, there will be no sympathy from me when the bring the sky-down-on-their-own-heads.

i will chuckle to myself and mutter; "those crazy kids" as i make a charitable donation to another humanitarian cause that actually deserves my support.

tibilicus

04-18-2010, 12:39

Well misery in southern Africa seems to be the hot topic.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article407847.ece/Man-killed--wife-raped--baby-assaulted

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/7601479/Zimbabwes-30th-birthday-how-did-Robert-Mugabe-turn-hope-into-misery.html

I'll just say a little about the first article. Sad, isn't it? How that family was attacked for no other reason than the sadistic need of some vile individuals. They didn't even take anything, they just beat the man to death, raped his wife and assaulted his four year old daughter because they were white and they felt that because they were white, they somehow owed them for their own miserable existence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/16/big-brother-attitude-africa-zimbabwe-machel

And finally, the wife of the glorious one tells Britain to stay out of Africa. I guess we can take back some of that international aid then to help cut the deficit. I wonder where the blame for all this actually starts and when it actually ends. I honestly can't see Africa being any better off in another 30 years..

Louis VI the Fat

04-18-2010, 16:38

Well misery in southern Africa seems to be the hot topic.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article407847.ece/Man-killed--wife-raped--baby-assaulted

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/7601479/Zimbabwes-30th-birthday-how-did-Robert-Mugabe-turn-hope-into-misery.html

I'll just say a little about the first article. Sad, isn't it? How that family was attacked for no other reason than the sadistic need of some vile individuals. They didn't even take anything, they just beat the man to death, raped his wife and assaulted his four year old daughter because they were white and they felt that because they were white, they somehow owed them for their own miserable existence.Why would they have taken something? Anything with monetary value would've only benefitted them the day after, which is one day more than these criminals are capable of thinking ahead.