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Given that this is a generalization of all TW games it fits in the frontroom I guess.
Do you as a rule prefer to play TW games modded or unmodded? I actually have to mod all mine fairly constantly just so I don't get bored with them. When I download mods I also get bored of them pretty quick, I don't know why I just like to be control of the changes in the game.
The way TW developers wanted the game or the way you want it? :balloon2:
I usually played the game a few times as it was before I needed to tinker with it, I'd continue with that until someone comes out with an excellent mod to well beyond the capabilities of my tinkering and then stick with that before the next game.
Play it for a while as released by dev, then apply some sort of total overhaul to the thing to keep it alive.
Myrddraal
04-04-2010, 23:13
All of the above? :smile:
I generally play the original game, or a total conversion. Both are pretty compatible since the scenarios are quite different. Having said that, I haven't played TW in a looong time.
Madoushi
04-04-2010, 23:23
I generally try them as-is, then start slowly modding them later.
I'm nervous about mods and CTD and conflicts and the like, so I usually only go for mods that seem really interesting.
Centurion1
04-05-2010, 01:45
minor tweaker here. all personal nothing major like region changees or anything just things to affect how the ai plays and like unit recruitment (creatan archers recruitable, archers to carthage, etc.
Avoid playing it entirely. :3
Centurion1
04-05-2010, 02:50
^ freak.
i like being a rts geek.
I'm the sole "GAH!" vote, and proud of it. :P
I like little tweeks. I'm proud to say that I actually find vanilla entertaining. Who coined the phrase 'Gah!' anyway? I've been reading it for years...
Megas Methuselah
04-05-2010, 05:42
Europa Barbarorum.
Megas Methuselah
04-05-2010, 07:05
Yeah, children generally don't like it. Too much historical accuracy, and it ain't fast enough. Bears too much in ressemblance to a history class, don't it?
Cute Wolf
04-05-2010, 08:49
Avoid playing it entirely. :3
you should try some :grin:
unless you don't want to kill about 30000 men per season because you are starting to doing systematic genocide on Romaioi Barbaroi (in EB)
The way I wanted the game! I'M THE DAMNED CONSUMER!!
Beefy187
04-05-2010, 11:27
Europa Barbarorum.
Seconded.
Yeah, children generally don't like it. Too much historical accuracy, and it ain't fast enough. Bears too much in ressemblance to a history class, don't it?
Is this a little poke at the fact I said that I'd avoid playing it entirely?
I'm actually studying History and Social History at university and hope to go on to become a History teacher for 11-16 year olds, and I'm following that course because I feel that History is becoming a less subscribed course at 14-18 and onwards (in the UK, less people taking the course at GCSE and A Level than was the case in the early 2000s when I was still at school); I asked my own cousin (two years older than I) who Churchill was and he was adamant it was the nodding dog from the television adverts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8r6JefDhI). He genuinely didn't know who the real Churchill was, a man that was voted as the most iconic Brit ever.
History's always been my favourite subject; if I see a game that accurately emulates the historical periods I'm interested in and it's actually good, I'll play it. But the Total War series hasn't appealed at all.
you should try some
I've heard alot of negativity about the Total War series, principally from these forums. What is it I've seen them called... Cash Cow: Total War? I heard one game had the same units for every single faction in-game, just wearing different colours relevant to their nation. Something to that effect.
Rhyfelwyr
04-05-2010, 14:36
I used to play a lot unmodded, but then I found EB...
But now my computer dies all the time, so I gave up on games. :shame:
If I get a new PC I want to somehow get one that I can play the old STW/MTW on...
I have EB installed...fun and I like the depth but I am terrible at it. A bunch of broke Romans waiting sheepishly for those crazy 'naked dudes' to end their misery. Perhaps I should brush up on some RTW first? I have a BA in History...class of 98'. I may seem quite well-versed and articulate, but my 2.0 GPA doesn't necessarially reflect that...
It's not just you, Nerd; getting the cash flow right in EB is the first and hardest challenge.
I've just never been any good at making money in RTW and M2TW. In EB things are expensive and take a long time to build. Government structures have me alittle perplexed too at the moment...
Not necesserily TW (which I havent played for years now..) but any moddable game in which I become very interested - I try to make it as enjoyable for myself as I can. Using major mods as a base, then redo most things in the way I want them to be, then play.. Of course you need to finish vanilla few times first.
I dont like just changing mods to refresh experience...
Europa Barbarorum.
& TAVERN
Myrddraal
04-06-2010, 00:51
If you can handle old school graphics, you should try MTW: VI Secura. I think it's my favourite installment, though if you like historical accuracy you might want to just go for vanilla MTW, the VI expansion is a bit off the rails in a historical sense.
The reason you hear a lot of negative comments here is because most of the patrons have very high expectations of the totalwar series (myself included) due to it's revolutionary nature when it first appeared. Rome was fun, even if it wasn't perfect.
Yeah, children generally don't like it. Too much historical accuracy, and it ain't fast enough. Bears too much in ressemblance to a history class, don't it?
I am quite childish when it comes to games, I guess. :bounce:
I just don't like how I start the game with Aedui and begin with -3000 per turn when my army only consists of about 3 warband. :laugh4:
I'm trying (and liking) COW (call of warhammer for medieval 2) and BoA (battles of asia with japanese map for rome) at the moment.
I reckon broken crescent is the best mod I've ever played.
Megas Methuselah
04-06-2010, 05:53
Is this a little poke at the fact I said that I'd avoid playing it entirely?
Uh.... Wha? My comment was aimed at Thermal Mercury. I respect and admire your decision to avoid those games, but if you're going to do something (RTW), it's worth doing it all the way (EB).
I just don't like how I start the game with Aedui and begin with -3000 per turn when my army only consists of about 3 warband. :laugh4:.
Start as Rome then. Or Qart-Hadast
I generally play vanilla, and after I play a lot I'll go with little tweaks. Full conversions can be fun, but only if I'm really interested in the newer universe. My biggest problem is that I barely have the time to play the vanilla version of a game, I can't really afford to run trials of lots of mods.
I voted "Gah". I preferred Shogun unmodded or MTW with the Samurai Wars mod. Haven't played the newer TW games, except Rome and Medieval2 once or twice and they were pure crap.
Yohei
I voted "Gah". I preferred Shogun unmodded or MTW with the Samurai Wars mod. Haven't played the newer TW games, except Rome and Medieval2 once or twice and they were pure crap.
Yohei
Did you try ancient total war for medieval 1? Thats a good mod.
@Subo
Naaa, :smiley: I liked some of the eastern factions but that was it, the nubian one was different....
The upkeep costs as a whole are just mad, I find it runs pretty slow for me which is never good, my computer has seen better days.
My experience has been varied. I played -- and still play -- Shogun completely vanilla. Of course, STW was also probably the least moddable title out of the whole series (ironically enough), so that's probably the main reason why.
I played MTW/VI (which remains my favorite) with just the vanilla version for a long time. I then started getting into the mods about -- 4, maybe 5 years ago? -- having primarily played XL, Asai Nagamasa's Pocket Mod, Samurai Warlords, and a bit of both HTW and Redux. (I've still gotta get around to playing OmarPacha's Hyborian mod, although I do have it installed.) Now, I can barely imagine playing MTW unmodded, although I definitely don't regret the time I've spent doing so.
I can't really comment on the other games. I was utterly disgusted by my experience with Rome (gave up on it after just a couple months), and subsequently wasn't much interested in Medieval 2 (since it was based on the same engine). Similarly, I haven't been able to bring myself to play Empire that much -- at least until a patch/update comes out that fixes/improves the strategic AI to the point where factions are no longer insane/suicidal -- and so haven't had the desire to try any of the mods for it. In regards to both RTW and ETW, I see little point in trying mods if the underlying core game is broken.
Who coined the phrase 'Gah!' anyway? I've been reading it for years...
You can thank an old (and by now, rather legendary) Orgah named Vanya for that. I don't know if he was the one who first actually coined "Gah!", but he's certainly the one most responsible for having caused it to become widespread. :beam:
Madoushi
04-07-2010, 06:26
Vanilla Rome was pretty flawed, but with Europa Barbarorum it's easily one of the best in the series, and after playing Medieval II, I'm not sure if I could go back to playing MI.
Heck, I hated vanilla Rome, and even after playing it I could barely go back to MI.
Edit: Not to rag on Medieval I. It was the first one I played in the series, and I loved it, I just prefer the newer engines a lot.
Cute Wolf
04-07-2010, 09:52
Why are a lot of you hate Vanilla Rome? Without them, there will be no EB forever.....
And yes, the best things come with Vanilla Rome are Fire and Forget missiles on four legs.... known as dogs...
Vanilla rome was always so predictable...
The Seleucid's are always bested, egypt & rome always steamroll, gaul and greek factions always eventually die out...
Which is why I mod the game to create variety whilst keeping the vanilla-ness mostly in tact. :grin:
Paltmull
04-07-2010, 14:34
Europa Barbarorum.
Seconded.
Thirded :smug2:
Hooahguy
04-07-2010, 15:55
my first TW game was rome. i played that for a year or so before i found the glory that is
EUROPA BARBARORUM
and now i play no game unmodded. except of the FPS genre.
last summer i got ETW, which i played with Darthmod (it was a must, the AI was so bad in vanilla) until last month.
very recently, i started up EUROPA BARBARORUM again.
and i dont regret one minute of it. in fact i even made an AAR about my campaign as the Casse- see link in my sig, [/shameless advertising].
my first TW game was rome. i played that for a year or so before i found the glory that is
EUROPA BARBARORUM
and now i play no game unmodded. except of the FPS genre.
last summer i got ETW, which i played with Darthmod (it was a must, the AI was so bad in vanilla) until last month.
very recently, i started up EUROPA BARBARORUM again.
and i dont regret one minute of it. in fact i even made an AAR about my campaign as the Casse- see link in my sig, [/shameless advertising].
I'll take a look, I may even review it... :shifty:
Though I notice you put humorous, many 'comedy' AAR's aren't funny at all, but if you pull it off just right, they can be the most entertaining.
I shall be reading. :mellow:
Also, Hooahguy, do you have a TWC account?
Hooahguy
04-07-2010, 23:27
I'll take a look, I may even review it... :shifty:
Though I notice you put humorous, many 'comedy' AAR's aren't funny at all, but if you pull it off just right, they can be the most entertaining.
I shall be reading. :mellow:
cant tell if this is an insult or not, but if it makes you feel any better, Hax likes my AAR.... to quote him, "simply excellent."
Also, Hooahguy, do you have a TWC account?
yup. :yes:
cant tell if this is an insult or not, but if it makes you feel any better, Hax likes my AAR.... to quote him, "simply excellent."
yup. :yes:
Not an insult, just saying a lot of TWC comedy AAR's are horrid, Having read yours I beg to differ, its a fine read. :wink:
I asked if you had a TWC account because I wondered if you had posted your AAR in the writers study there? You should if you haven't, then I can review it and put it into the Critic's Quill, if you like. :bow:
Reenk Roink
04-08-2010, 02:01
The vanilla play of Shogun was very very good (also not many mods for that game for obvious reasons) and there was something about the vanilla feel about Rome that I loved, even more than the EB feel (UIs and such) although EB improved on about just every area, the gameplay was at times a bit too realistic (so expensive to and time consuming to build grand things and armies - gotta love the cheats :beam:).
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