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Vladimir
04-21-2010, 01:56
That's not a question, it's a show.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/doctor-who/index.jsp?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=dr_who&utm_content=text&utm_campaign=doctor_who_premiere_2010
Who's watching the Doctor? David Tennant is an excellent actor but I couldn't stand most of the episodes he was in. And the women...ugh!
I'm really impressed with this new guy, and there's finally a decent female lead. The writing, acting, and directing for the new season are much better.
So...Who's watching?
Oh, one thing I don't get is the huge sex toy that serves as the central drive. Weird.
I can't say I've been watching any new renditions, but I used to love the show as a child when it was on PBS. I remember the curly-haired Dr. Who, the phone booth that was much larger on the inside than the outside, very strange yet interesting plots 'exterminate, exterminate!'. As I recall the females were rather attractive (from the point of view of a little boy anyway). And the strange music and strange tunnel sequence during the closing credits used to give me the creeps. After Dr. Who was bedtime!
Last time I watched the acting was horrendous and I generally feel the show has past its sell by, but I don't speak for the majority I don't think.
I'm really impressed with this new guy, and there's finally a decent female lead.
He has alot of on-screen charisma, which is fantastic, and there's a real enthusiasm for the role. I don't quite think he matches up to Tennant just yet, but he's not had the time... he'll be one of the greats, though.
As for Miss Amy Pond... she's purdy, want her legs. ¬_¬
The writing, acting, and directing for the new season are much better.
I think this is a fair assessment, will probably be able to agree or disagree a little more as the weeks and episodes go by.
Oh, one thing I don't get is the huge sex toy that serves as the central drive. Weird.
:laugh4:
That's precisely what I thought!
I like David's Doctor better but Matt's Doctor is very good too, and I agree that the writing is now much better. Steven Moffat wrote all my favourite episodes from the previous four seasons, so I have high hopes for this one.
Grew up on Tom Baker, who shall always be the One True Doctor for this lemur. Got interested when Christopher Eccleston came along, really enjoyed his rendition, then dropped out when they put in Tennant. Watched a few episodes with him, but frankly he was just too darn sunny and chirpy for my tastes. Haven't yet seen the new kid.
CountArach
04-21-2010, 08:16
I really do love Dr Who, but we get everything on a 2 week delay so just saw the first episode... Either way I loved it. Matthew Smith isn't quite David Tennant (who I imagine will always be the true Doctor in my eyes) but he appears to have a similar very heady and bizarre energy. Once we see him in full flight it shall be great. Combine that with Steven Moffat doing most of the writing and you have a recipe for a fantastic series - I never quite liked Russel T Davies as much, despite also being a big fan of Torchwood.
Matt has that face where he got too excited by the ice-cream truck as it was coming down the street, and ended up getting hit by it. He also seems very.. challenged. He does a lot of things "wrong" in the bad way.
Also, what is weird, the BBC America site actually sells stuff, the British BBC site doesn't. For lets say for pure example, I was wanting to buy a mock "Sonic Screwdriver", I couldn't, but you can if you live in America and got it from the BBC site.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
04-21-2010, 12:11
Also, what is weird, the BBC America site actually sells stuff, the British BBC site doesn't. For lets say for pure example, I was wanting to buy a mock "Sonic Screwdriver", I couldn't, but you can if you live in America and got it from the BBC site.
BBC America is commercial, Auntie isn't, that's why.
Re Dr Who:
Tennant was really grating, I didn't like him much and, with the exception of Billie Piper, all his assistants were either boring or irritating.
The new doctor is better, and hopefully will get to be actually very good, if only he would dial down the ADHD a little shades of Tennant there, still.)
As to the assistant, good actress, pretty, but her backstory is a bit disturbing.
InsaneApache
04-21-2010, 12:34
Twas William Hartnell when I were a lad. :embarassed:
Sort of fell out with it in the mid 70s and never really got back into it again. BTW it's not a 'phone booth, it's a police box (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_box).
As to the assistant, good actress, pretty, but her backstory is a bit disturbing.
:laugh4:
She basically grows up making dolls of the Doctor and stuff, right? She's a purdy, mini-freak. xD
pevergreen
04-21-2010, 14:06
What Dr. Who thread would be complete without the new music video from the President of the Dr. Who fan club?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s95Mm0cFqg
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
04-21-2010, 15:30
:laugh4:
She basically grows up making dolls of the Doctor and stuff, right? She's a purdy, mini-freak. xD
She's obsessed with him from the age of about 10, then she groes up to become a stripper (kissagram, my left foot), and her obsession devolves into a lust which leads her to leave home the night before her wedding.
Wonderful values to teach little girls.
She is cute though.
tibilicus
04-21-2010, 16:01
This series after only three episodes is already better than the previous season and most of the "specials" last year. Moffat is just a superior writer to Russel.T.Davis in every way. There's actually a suggestion that Moffats version of the Who universe will have a central plot which plays out in the background whilst each main story line in each episode takes place. Davis written episodes lacked this kind of central plot, unless you consider another season finale where the daleks return a continuous plot, I don't.
Also, who can forget the Christmas special? what an awful pile of :daisy:. Moffat coming in to take over as lead writer has pretty much saved the program in my opinion. It's still early days but still, I'm hopeful. Also on the subject of Amy I agree with what's been said. All the other companions just whined or made cheap non-witty jokes, something which I deplored greatly. Also I read a spoiler somewhere which, without ruining anything, stated a future episode goes into the Doctor/Amy storyline a bit more.
There's actually a suggestion that Moffats version of the Who universe will have a central plot which plays out in the background whilst each main story line in each episode takes place. Davis written episodes lacked this kind of central plot, unless you consider another season finale where the daleks return a continuous plot, I don't.
I take it that you are referring to the cracks?
Russell T. Davies' series had these central running themes too; the recurring 'Bad Wolf' words that Rose Tyler kept finding in the first series (it even appeared in Torchwood!) which culminated in The Parting of the Ways episode and the Doctor's regeneration from Eccleston to Tennant. There was also the 'Vote Saxon' paraphernalia that both the Doctor and Martha generally overlooked in the third series, which culminated in Last of the Time Lords and the Doctor-Master conflict.
Zradha Pahlavan
04-21-2010, 16:54
Tom Baker was the best, but the older Doctors weren't bad either. Haven't seen much of the newer ones, except for one episode about a lone Dalek terrorizing some kind of compound. The Dalek kind of stole the show, I didn't actually see much of the Doctor himself in that one, though what I did see didn't impress me much. I also remember that that episode had been made into a weird little online game on the Doctor Who website.
Lastly, I recently discovered a whole bunch of old Doctor Who books in a cellar. They sure made a lot of those.
tibilicus
04-21-2010, 17:11
I take it that you are referring to the cracks?
Russell T. Davies' series had these central running themes too; the recurring 'Bad Wolf' words that Rose Tyler kept finding in the first series (it even appeared in Torchwood!) which culminated in The Parting of the Ways episode and the Doctor's regeneration from Eccleston to Tennant. There was also the 'Vote Saxon' paraphernalia that both the Doctor and Martha generally overlooked in the third series, which culminated in Last of the Time Lords and the Doctor-Master conflict.
Unfortunately the whole "badwolf" thing started out great and then became old, slightly confusing and just boring. Also Moffat has more than one background story going on. As I mentioned, it involves Amy. Basically the companion this time around gets her own story which is kind of neat. Overall there's a bit more flesh to the bones of the series with Moffats writing and he seems to be able to handle more than one story element at once. Unlike Davis, who's stolen earth and Christmas special (forgotten the name) introduced a big cast of characters past and present yet ended up coming short.
cegorach
04-21-2010, 18:33
Count me in as maybe not a fan, but a dedicated 'watcher'. ;)
I'm still getting used to the new actor, but considering Moffat is in charge it is promising.
About new companion. A bit disturbing she was literally rised (also by herself) for the job, but I like her.
Good start overall.
P.S. Hey is everybody in this thread either from Britain or Commonwealth countries?
Vladimir
04-21-2010, 19:16
I'm a colonial.
Hey is everybody in this thread either from Britain or Commonwealth countries?
Another spawn of the Thirteen Colonies here. But Dr. Who was on public television when I was a kid, so my brother and I grew up watching Tom Baker on Friday nights.
God Save The Queen...
...and the facist regime.
:laugh4:
Rhyfelwyr
04-22-2010, 00:37
Ugh Doctor Who is a terrible show. David Tenant is a rubbish actor talk about overdoing it. Also, I've only seen glimpses but doesn't the new assistant look like she's 15 or something?
For a BBC series, I prefer Life on Mars. :yes:
I'm a 'Mass Hole'. Which Dr. Who wore the multi-colored scarf? That's the one I remember.
InsaneApache
04-22-2010, 01:32
Tom Baker.
Myrddraal
04-22-2010, 02:27
Well I watched some of the last series. This thread prompted me to watch this series. I just watched episode one on iPlayer, looks pretty good. Am I right in thinking that waveform in the tardis looked awfully like the crack?
For a BBC series, I prefer Life on Mars. :yes:
Totally loving Ashes to Ashes at the moment too. <3
CountArach
04-22-2010, 07:43
Ugh Doctor Who is a terrible show. David Tenant is a rubbish actor talk about overdoing it.
The Doctor is entirely about overacting. He is, to quote Matt Smith, "A crazy man with a box."
Vladimir
04-22-2010, 12:39
The Doctor is entirely about overacting. He is, to quote Matt Smith, "A crazy man with a box."
His sidekick has a box too. But I think her's is smaller on the inside.
tibilicus
04-22-2010, 12:54
Totally loving Ashes to Ashes at the moment too. <3
It's got a lot better Ashes to Ashes. Season one disappointed, it got much better with season two and this season seems really promising.
His sidekick has a box too. But I think her's is smaller on the inside.
She does? What sort of box is this?
Or is that just clever innuendo? xD
Vladimir
04-23-2010, 15:23
She does? What sort of box is this?
Or is that just clever innuendo? xD
*clears throat* Well, umm, I mean it's a, well...nevemind. :blush:
Apparently they're also making a Doctor Who game.
But looks like it's made for kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLga-aSsYY0
Kinda like the series but only saw the first two seasons or so.
Dr. Who has always had such a sense for fashion! You can still find blazers like that at the Salvation Army (my favorite clothing store)!
I still cannot get used to the new doctor, but this season has very good writing, so I will forgive it.
Also, the best doctor was Rowan Atkinson.
Mr. Bean was Dr Who?! That's REALLY interesting!
Mr. Bean was Dr Who?! That's REALLY interesting!
In the Comic Relief special. So it isn't the "official" storyline.
Mr. Bean was Dr Who?! That's REALLY interesting!
The Curse of Fatal Death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM). Also written by Steven Moffat incidentally.
That was funny! I love that guy!
Vladimir
04-27-2010, 22:01
Shoot. Missed Saturday's episode.
Shoot. Missed Saturday's episode.
Get it on BBC iPlayer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s8dwd/b00s8d49/Doctor_Who_Series_5_The_Time_of_Angels/
It was pretty good.
Vladimir
04-28-2010, 00:03
Get it on BBC iPlayer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s8dwd/b00s8d49/Doctor_Who_Series_5_The_Time_of_Angels/
It was pretty good.
Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you.
Grrr. Need a UK proxy.
We kicked yer butts in W W 2. You owe us free TV!
Never mind. I'll get it from China.
Myrddraal
04-28-2010, 00:36
Just watched episode two. I thought it was a lot weaker than #1.
Of course, the solution was to not torture the thing all the time... Also I know that Cheesy British Patriotism is a trade mark of Dr. Who, and usually it doesn't bother me, but for some reason this time it did. :shrug: Maybe I'm just not in the mood
Vladimir
04-28-2010, 01:02
Just watched episode two. I thought it was a lot weaker than #1.
I just finished it as well. Amazon has them in HD.
The second one wasn't as good as the first, but that's to be expected. I still enjoyed it; very poetic but not as inspiring. I don't know if it's worth 3 USD but it's worth watching.
This is pretty sad. I wish BBC management was more competent. Amazon only has the first two episodes but you can watch up to episode 4 in low quality for free.
This is pretty sad. I wish BBC management was more competent. Amazon only has the first two episodes but you can watch up to episode 4 in low quality for free.
Episode 5 is out this weekend.. it is on the internet sooner?
LittleGrizzly
04-28-2010, 06:12
America gets everything first!
the unwritten rule of entertainment...
Vladimir
04-28-2010, 13:16
Episode 4 is out this weekend.. it is on the internet sooner?
It's available on websites that I can't link to in the Frontroom from a country I can't mention without getting political. But, yes, you can watch it online for free.
America gets everything first!
the unwritten rule of entertainment...
Not entirely true. America is the biggest market which gives us preferential status but when it comes to BBC it takes forever. With exception of the sonic screwdriver, apparently.
cegorach
04-28-2010, 17:54
'Blink's sequel' wasn't bad, but hopefully another episode will complete it nicely.
Still cannot get used to the new Doctor - but for some time I thought something similar about the previous one so we will see.
Myrddraal
04-29-2010, 01:09
Episode 4. Now we're talking. That was genuinely scary, a classic nightmare.
Episode 4. Now we're talking. That was genuinely scary, a classic nightmare.
Bit like the Weeping Angels episode with Tenant.
Though admittedly, I thought you was on about Episode 5 for a moment. People have said they seen that, some how.
Vladimir
04-29-2010, 01:31
Episode 4. Now we're talking. That was genuinely scary, a classic nightmare.
Good to hear.
cegorach
05-02-2010, 09:46
Very good episode (5th) !
And with everything what was said and not said during it I am certain the 5th season will be great to watch.
tibilicus
05-02-2010, 12:57
Episode 5 was probably the best Who episode of recent memory.
I'm not sure about next weeks episode however. The guy who's meant to be Amy's boyfriend looks really boring and seems like another Mickey to me, and lets be honest, we don't need another Mickey. No doubt adding a third character in such a way will also drive a wedge between the chemistry between the two main leads, something which I think has made the series great to watch so far.
Oh well, hopefully the Doctor might just leave him in Venice or kick him out of the tardis door into the vacuum of space. I think he's due to appear in another episode before the season ends..
One thing is for sure, Amy Pond really wanted the chocolate from the doctors biscuit at the end of episode 5.
tibilicus
05-04-2010, 11:55
The Doctor has such messed up standards. He goes for Rose Tyler but not Amy Pond, the fool.
I wish they would move Dr Who to the 9 PM slot. Add in some more pointless violence, ramp up the adult content and allow the Doctor to curse as he beats up the bad guys.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-04-2010, 14:04
One thing is for sure, Amy Pond really wanted the chocolate from the doctors biscuit at the end of episode 5.
You know what? She's more than a little bit scary. She litterally looked at him like he was a piece of meat.
To be fair to the Doctor, I'm not sure how I would have reacted to having a woman about to get married chase me around her bedroom.
Vladimir
05-05-2010, 02:13
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Yea.
Trying to prove that she is made of plastic?
I always wonder why they do that...
Vladimir
05-05-2010, 15:42
Latex is plastic and latex is goood.
cegorach
05-06-2010, 08:59
You know what? She's more than a little bit scary. She litterally looked at him like he was a piece of meat.
To be fair to the Doctor, I'm not sure how I would have reacted to having a woman about to get married chase me around her bedroom.
True, true, but I'd say scary - in a good way. However it sounds.
I'm not suprised about our poor Doctor's reluctance - she was barely 7 years old three (?) days earlier.
She made little Doctor and Amy dolls for years for (old style) Daleks' sake!
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-06-2010, 10:49
True, true, but I'd say scary - in a good way. However it sounds.
I'm not suprised about our poor Doctor's reluctance - she was barely 7 years old three (?) days earlier.
She made little Doctor and Amy dolls for years for (old style) Daleks' sake!
Oh, he doesn't know about the dolls yet!
Still, she litterally looked like she wanted to eat him.
Not that that isn't a little bit sexy, but still.
Vladimir
05-06-2010, 11:07
Oh, he doesn't know about the dolls yet!
Still, she litterally looked like she wanted to eat him.
Not that that isn't a little bit sexy, but still.
He does. It was mentioned in the first episode.
I'm a little confused about her not remembering the Darleks though. I thought she didn't meet them until episode 3.
The British nationalism in this season is a bit odd. I wonder if it will reduce their international viewers.
cegorach
05-06-2010, 13:07
The British nationalism in this season is a bit odd. I wonder if it will reduce their international viewers.
I don't think it is such a problem.
There are only two episodes - so far - where it appears in some form and one is steam-punkish a bit so it suits it very well. Which means only one is actually quite nationalistic, all right - a lot.
But is it so different in previous seasons? Some episodes in the past were so full of pathos that I almost started laughed, but this is British series, mainly for British viewers and it is their right to add something from time to time.
Besides with the Master elected the Prime Minister of Great Britain in one episode, the UK turning into a nazi state in another or farting aliens wearing ministers' skins like suits there is a doze of self-irony providing some balance to the series.
I am sure there will be similar also in this season and with this doctor.
Vladimir
05-06-2010, 13:46
But is it so different in previous seasons? Some episodes in the past were so full of pathos that I almost started laughed, but this is British series, mainly for British viewers and it is their right to add something from time to time.
The Doctor belongs to everyone on Earth; not just the Britons! ~;)
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-06-2010, 14:35
He does. It was mentioned in the first episode.
I'm a little confused about her not remembering the Darleks though. I thought she didn't meet them until episode 3.
The British nationalism in this season is a bit odd. I wonder if it will reduce their international viewers.
He doesn't know she's still making them, I think.
RE: the Daleks
She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?
Vladimir
05-06-2010, 14:38
He doesn't know she's still making them, I think.
RE: the Daleks
She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?
Still making them??? Weird.
Daleks: That could be it. The show either goes too fast for me or takes too much liberty with "time lines." I understand what you're saying. Either way it seemed like blatant foreshadowing. I hoped it would be a bit more subtle; a bit more, English.
tibilicus
05-06-2010, 15:24
He doesn't know she's still making them, I think.
RE: the Daleks
She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?
Where did you get the fact she's still making them from? Do you mean since she's been travelling with the doctor?
I must have missed this.
There is no British nationalism, it is "take-the-:daisy: out of Britain". Everything done is shows how bad Britain is. For example, Britain trapped a caring space creature and tortured it for hundreds of years. Is that nationalism? Winstonchurchill is a petty thief, keep trying to steal the Tardis key. Is that nationalism?
There is no British nationalism, it is "take-the-:daisy: out of Britain". Everything done is shows how bad Britain is. For example, Britain trapped a caring space creature and tortured it for hundreds of years. Is that nationalism? Winstonchurchill is a petty thief, keep trying to steal the Tardis key. Is that nationalism?
It's all performed under the BBC Wales banner, what else could we have expected? :D
Vladimir
05-07-2010, 00:02
Wait a minute. We can't say :daisy: in the Frontroom?
tibilicus
05-08-2010, 22:47
Just watched tonight's episode on iplayer. Massively disappointing. After the two parter by Moffat things were actually looking up for the series, a suggestion that perhaps a slightly more adult (although still family friendly) Who was in store. Come tonight's episode and all hopes of that seem to be knocked out of the park. It was another guest writer who wrote the episode and it showed. Within minutes the depressing format of children's tv show meets slightly appealing story line emerged only for the later of the two to disappear rapidly into its own time and space continuum. What then played out for the remaining 40 minutes was fairly awful television. As predicted the character of "Rory" intruded on the dynamic which had been established between the Doctor and Amy. One liners soon made their way into the episode, doing away with the more witty and less obvious humour one might expect from a British television show. Only one of the one liners actually made me smile, no laughs however.
The story line itself was pretty bog standard and didn't really have any sc-fi elements to it. Hell, there wasn't really any elements to it, it was just, bleh. So anyway, as the episode trotted along it didn't get much better and I remained unimpressed. It was a scene towards then end which finally did it for me. Some novelty, sword fight scene which of course tried to inject humour and to me at least, failed fairly miserably. I can not see any one over the age of 14 finding the said scene funny.
The cherry on top of this fairly craptastic cake was the special effects. Yes they're not normally great but tonight they were just outright awful. For a show which receives a budget of £700,000 per episode to produce such awful special effects is pretty inexcusable. Shows back in the late 90s had better CGI.
Overall then hugely disappointing. Apparently Moffat isn't writing again till the final two-parter series finale so unless next weeks picks things back up I will be steering well clear till then.
Banquo's Ghost
05-09-2010, 08:57
RE: the Daleks
She should remember them from the series before last, shouldn't she?
Daleks: That could be it. The show either goes too fast for me or takes too much liberty with "time lines." I understand what you're saying. Either way it seemed like blatant foreshadowing. I hoped it would be a bit more subtle; a bit more, English.
New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.
This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.
If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.
I don't think it's a different timeline, the Dr Who universe doesn't have separate timelines since time can be changed, I think the battle of Canary Wharf and the events in The Stolen Earth have simply ceased to exist, "eaten" by the cracks like the clerics.
Did anyone else think the "hero of many" killed by River is the doctor?
Did anyone else think the "hero of many" killed by River is the doctor?
Yup, same thought here.
Caught up with the latest episode last night, enjoyed it for the most part; somewhat disappointed with Amy and Rory reconciling their differences over the Doctor and the latter becoming a permanent addition to the TARDIS... I think it takes away from the Doctor-Amy dynamic too much.
tibilicus
05-10-2010, 17:40
Yup, same thought here.
Caught up with the latest episode last night, enjoyed it for the most part; somewhat disappointed with Amy and Rory reconciling their differences over the Doctor and the latter becoming a permanent addition to the TARDIS... I think it takes away from the Doctor-Amy dynamic too much.
I agree.
I don't mind adding a third companion but why not make it somebody who's interesting? The whole partner companion thing has been done before and it didn't really work then. Third characters like River Song are interesting as they add to the story line. Rory adds one liners and slapstick humour, plus he seems to be there for the sake of being there, no purpose and no depth.
New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.
This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.
If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.
I think the Daleks actually succeeded. The Darek's plan was actually to wipe out reality in all dimensions. What is occuring is pretty much just that, but with "cracks". This means the Daleks never fully did it as intended, but managed to crack the universe to cause the effect. The reason no one remembers is because the cracks already wiped the incident out, like with those soldiers. People's minds magically changed.
For the Doctor, who is a time traveler, his mind is working differently and thus not suspectible. The other creatures which are similar are the same, and are attempting to flee it.
It could be the same for other cast characters. Their minds might not have changed like that, but even then, how would they know that people forgot about the darleks?
What is obviously, however, is that there is something up with that entire village.
Vladimir
05-11-2010, 02:22
New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.
This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.
If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.
Yes I know about the reality bomb, and Tenet's brilliant acting that accompanied it :2thumbsup: . What is unclear is the time frame in which it occurred. I don't know what "year" it occurred in relative to the years Amelia (a much better name) is alive. No biggie; the scene just should have been reshot. :shrug:
I don't see how the Waters of Mars episode relates to the new characters. I have mixed emotions about that episode. Bad writing I guess, but there were flashes of brilliance.
I don't read too much into it and just try to enjoy the episodes.
Vladimir
05-11-2010, 02:23
I don't think it's a different timeline, the Dr Who universe doesn't have separate timelines since time can be changed, I think the battle of Canary Wharf and the events in The Stolen Earth have simply ceased to exist, "eaten" by the cracks like the clerics.
NOOOOOOO!!!! We're going to have to start enforcing spioler warnings in this thread.
Yes I know about the reality bomb, and Tenet's brilliant acting that accompanied it :2thumbsup: . What is unclear is the time frame in which it occurred. I don't know what "year" it occurred in relative to the years Amelia (a much better name) is alive. No biggie; the scene just should have been reshot. :shrug:
Relative to the Earth, it happened in 2009, so Amy was definitely alive and should have seen the Daleks along with every other human.
I don't see how the Waters of Mars episode relates to the new characters. I have mixed emotions about that episode. Bad writing I guess, but there were flashes of brilliance.
I don't read too much into it and just try to enjoy the episodes.
It doesn't really relate to the current events at all, but the fact that Adelaide Brook was inspired to go into space by coming face to face with a Dalek and living is just further proof that every person should know about the Daleks.
Vladimir
05-16-2010, 03:02
Ahh, it's the crack. I never thought crack would be such an interesting plot device.
Justiciar
05-22-2010, 01:12
Not sure it merits a thread all of its own, though given earlier mention here..
Did anyone watch the Ashes to Ashes finale? Not sure whether or not I actually liked it, but I certianly won't forget it. One or two things I genuinely didn't see coming. And I was on the brink of becoming a blubbering wuss at the end. Left me with an odd feeling. Which is a good thing.
tibilicus
05-22-2010, 02:31
Not sure it merits a thread all of its own, though given earlier mention here..
Did anyone watch the Ashes to Ashes finale? Not sure whether or not I actually liked it, but I certianly won't forget it. One or two things I genuinely didn't see coming. And I was on the brink of becoming a blubbering wuss at the end. Left me with an odd feeling. Which is a good thing.
Good ending. I like how the focus on Chris,Ray and Shaz also fitted in. All the challenges they've had to overcome in this season, Chris standing up to Gene, for example, to reflect the fact he died in the real world because he was to submissive and obeyed orders added a nice depth to the show. The guy who played Jim Keates was also on top form this episode and Keates added a real kick to the third season that the first two lacked.
I didn't really find the end that sad surprisingly, probably because I'm more of a casual viewer but also because I kind of suspected it. I'm kind of on the fence as to whether they should do another Ashes to Ashes type series, I would probably prefer it if they didn't though. Whilst it would be interesting to see how Gene Hunt assumed the role of "Sheppard to the lost coppers"; I think some things are best left to the imagination. Also it wouldn't be the same now the mystery of the show is gone. It also has to be noted how excellent it was that all this time, the show was never about Tyler or Drake, it was about Gene. I guess the servants of God really are whiskey swigging foul mouthed coppers. I like that concept.
Also I think it probably does deserve its own thread as due to the recent high quality of Ashes to Ashes and the recent poor quality of Doctor Who, the former is upstaging the latter.
Justiciar
05-22-2010, 03:04
Keates was grand, aye. Whoever cast that guy was a bloody genius.
I love how he visibly changed throughout the series. Purely down to the actor. They didn't so much as touch his costume in the final episode. And yet he managed to turn the concerned bureaucrat from the first episode into.. uh.. what the deuce was that? All he did was remove his glasses. And start barking like a rabid dog. I kind of guessed he personified death in some manner or other. Largely down to his constant talk of "shutting the place down". Never figured the connection would be so literal, though.
And heaven's a cozy old pub in Manchester. True, that.
tibilicus
05-22-2010, 12:46
Keates was grand, aye. Whoever cast that guy was a bloody genius.
I love how he visibly changed throughout the series. Purely down to the actor. They didn't so much as touch his costume in the final episode. And yet he managed to turn the concerned bureaucrat from the first episode into.. uh.. what the deuce was that? All he did was remove his glasses. And start barking like a rabid dog. I kind of guessed he personified death in some manner or other. Largely down to his constant talk of "shutting the place down". Never figured the connection would be so literal, though.
And heaven's a cozy old pub in Manchester. True, that.
I believe Keates was Satan, or at least some personification of Satan. The way he tried to literally drag the three to hell was quite simplistic but really effective. Also I think further hints of him being Satan are given when Viv dies. Gene states that Viv was a "good man", suggesting he didn't deserve the fate which awaited him, as can be seen when Chris has a vision of him surrounded by flames.
I guess Gene always knew who he was. He probably couldn't tell the others though as they wouldn't believe him and hadn't accepted their own deaths yet. Although one thing which I don't get. Gene Hunt died in what, 1952? How can he construct a world of the 70s and 80s? I guess we're now talking about matters of the divine so its plausible..
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-23-2010, 01:37
I believe Keates was Satan, or at least some personification of Satan. The way he tried to literally drag the three to hell was quite simplistic but really effective. Also I think further hints of him being Satan are given when Viv dies. Gene states that Viv was a "good man", suggesting he didn't deserve the fate which awaited him, as can be seen when Chris has a vision of him surrounded by flames.
I guess Gene always knew who he was. He probably couldn't tell the others though as they wouldn't believe him and hadn't accepted their own deaths yet. Although one thing which I don't get. Gene Hunt died in what, 1952? How can he construct a world of the 70s and 80s? I guess we're now talking about matters of the divine so its plausible..
Yes, Ashes to Ashes was great.
I don't think it was all envisaged from the beginning of Life on Mars though, I think it was only developed through this series; partly because after Sam left the series naturally gravitated towards Gene Hunt.
I don't think Keates was actually Satan, I think he was litterally the anti-Gene, an unrepentantly bent copper who dragged other down with him. the thing about Hunt that even Sam acknowlwdges is that he wants to bang up criminals, he's focused primarily on keeping the general populace safe and putting "villains" behind bars. This is something that Gene hammers home to Sam, Gene is the ultimate uninhibited, primative, copper - he goes out and gets the bad guys, takes no [ahem] and hang the consequences.
Keats is the complete oppersite, obsessed with protocol, and "results" in terms of stats and form filling- there's a quite serious point about modern policing in there. I say he is the anti-Gene, because where Gene has chosen to stay behind in purgatory to hasten other coppers along, Keats has fairly obviously been sent by someone (the Devil) to drag the same people to Hell.
More on Gene: He said that he had "forgotten", which is also what the Con-man claiming to be Sam said to Alex earlier. This implies that Gene is not a "chosen" agent so much as someone who has chosen not to "cross over", note his pointed refusal to enter the Pub with the others.
On the world: I think it moves foward with the people in it, and it isn't actually centred on Gene; Keats lied about that. It may be that everyone there is a lost soul in some sense or another. Remember the Italian guy who inexplicable dissapears, "back to Italy" because someone else has "died". What about the prisoner who is obsessed with killing coppers, and then dies having become "a legend". I think the policeman part is just the only part we actually see; I don't think it's just Gene's fantasy.
So Gene has been ther 30 years, Sam was there 7, Ray and Chris probably at least ten, Shaz probably less judging by the relatively recent context of her death. The real question is how come there aren't a lot more coppers getting the "culture shcok" thing when they arrive?
Is it just a certain hyper-rational mind, or is it a privilage reserved for DCI's
tibilicus
05-23-2010, 02:11
Is it just a certain hyper-rational mind, or is it a privilage reserved for DCI's
I'm kind of moving towards the theory that those who remember their lives before their "deaths" do so because they're not actually dead yet. Sam actually went back to the "real world" (supposedly) and Drake was in a coma, briefly waking before her actual death. Perhaps then they're given a chance to get back to their world if they're not actually dead yet. I don't really know though, it seems like a bit of a plot hole and that's the only thing I can think of to explain it, be it inadequately.
I can't really think of what other reason there could be seeming Drake and Sam weren't quite dead whilst Shaz, Chris and Ray were.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-23-2010, 03:15
I'm kind of moving towards the theory that those who remember their lives before their "deaths" do so because they're not actually dead yet. Sam actually went back to the "real world" (supposedly) and Drake was in a coma, briefly waking before her actual death. Perhaps then they're given a chance to get back to their world if they're not actually dead yet. I don't really know though, it seems like a bit of a plot hole and that's the only thing I can think of to explain it, be it inadequately.
I can't really think of what other reason there could be seeming Drake and Sam weren't quite dead whilst Shaz, Chris and Ray were.
actually, that makes perfect sense. If you think about it, being in a between-life-and-death state would mean you were existing in two worlds at once, and hence the disslocation. Drake was also immidiately translated to "Gene's" world when she was shot, but didn't die until after the bullet was removed.
Vladimir
05-24-2010, 17:56
Not sure it merits a thread all of its own, though given earlier mention here..
Did anyone watch the Ashes to Ashes finale? Not sure whether or not I actually liked it, but I certianly won't forget it. One or two things I genuinely didn't see coming. And I was on the brink of becoming a blubbering wuss at the end. Left me with an odd feeling. Which is a good thing.
I haven't seen the series lately but it's coming back. For some reason BBC decided Star Trek was good British telley and Gordon Ramsay is the foreign secretary.
Vladimir
06-03-2010, 17:45
Thread Rescue:
I'm thinking of buying a 10th doctor sonic screwdriver but the ones on Amazon look like toys. Does anyone know where I can find a more accurate reproduction?
Banquo's Ghost
06-04-2010, 07:29
Thread Rescue:
I'm thinking of buying a 10th doctor sonic screwdriver but the ones on Amazon look like toys. Does anyone know where I can find a more accurate reproduction?
This is reputed to be the best reproduction (http://shop.scificollectorshop.co.uk/epages/es105345.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es105345_shop/Products/dr-doctor-who-sonic-screwdriver-prop-replica&ViewAction=ViewProductViaPortal&Locale=en_GB), but you might find it a trifle expensive.
This is reputed to be the best reproduction (http://shop.scificollectorshop.co.uk/epages/es105345.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es105345_shop/Products/dr-doctor-who-sonic-screwdriver-prop-replica&ViewAction=ViewProductViaPortal&Locale=en_GB), but you might find it a trifle expensive.
Yeah, £300. At that price, you would want it studded with diamonds and gold plating.
Vladimir
06-04-2010, 16:18
This is reputed to be the best reproduction (http://shop.scificollectorshop.co.uk/epages/es105345.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es105345_shop/Products/dr-doctor-who-sonic-screwdriver-prop-replica&ViewAction=ViewProductViaPortal&Locale=en_GB), but you might find it a trifle expensive.
Thank you. That's a good reference point as I do not require the associated accoutrements.
Yeah, £300. At that price, you would want it studded with diamonds and gold plating.
Only fools and nobility buy new (sorry Banquo). I may be able to find a less expensive one.
Vladimir
06-06-2010, 02:32
Do people in the UK really talk this fast or are they just channeling Shakespeare?
Finally, someone agrees with me. Old people are evil! Not only will their social security and medicare bankrupt the country but they'll turn you to ash!
Tellos Athenaios
06-06-2010, 06:11
No people in the UK don't speak very fast at all. With Doctor Who there's a perpetual note of urgency in his voice though, so maybe that's why it sounds so fast to your ears.
In all science fiction shows when the scientist is explaining something complex they always seem to speak fast.
Vladimir
06-06-2010, 16:15
Thanks.
Most of the characters seem high on something I want to get ahold of, then when you add on the accents...
Or, maybe it was just the wine. :shrug:
Vladimir
06-07-2010, 14:04
What Daleks truly want: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/06/video-horny-dalek-roams-nyc-sparks-contest/
Vladimir
06-08-2010, 22:55
Vote Saxon. Now I see it everywhere in London.
Vote Saxon. Now I see it everywhere in London.
hm?
Vladimir
06-11-2010, 11:18
Sorry, in prior season episodes.
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