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Hello again everyone, once again a big thank you to everyone who contributed to the "SPQR? Who?" thread. I would now like to suggest a discussion which is a bit easier to answer.
If you were living in anqtiquity what would you eat and drink during the day?
For the sake of argument I would like you to assume you have unlimted funds BUT you are limited by geography. For example if you are living in the heart of the Sweboz lands you might enjoy your fill of herrings, game birds or maybe even an auroch but your chances of flavouring your milk with saffron are going to be very slim.
Personally I know very little about what was on people's menus during this period so I look forward to learning something :book:.
Tuck in!
Cute Wolf
04-25-2010, 20:51
If I lived in Sweboz land... maybe I'll have enough fun hunting wild boars, but all I need for a complete set of Sweboz dinner is:
- some fresh vegetables with boiled eggs
- a big chunk of Roasted boar with honey...
- a dish of whale steak
- a soup made of cheesy cream with goat intestines
- and don't forget, a big tube of beers....
Apázlinemjó
04-25-2010, 21:06
What I really miss from the antiquity's menu is the potato... How could they live without potato!?
Macilrille
04-25-2010, 21:27
Did they have a choice? What things will people in the future say that they cannot understand that you can live without?
Anyway, here (http://turbator.blogspot.com/2009/05/starting-scenario.html) is a Roman dinner.
Sorry guys for having gone silent on you. I channel much of my resources into EBII, so I can by necessity not say much here.
Well all that protein at the Roman table would certainly give you the muscle needed to serve in the legions but i think all that fish would ultimatley result in you spending alot of time in the latrines. I don't think I could stomach garum sauce, I would certainly like to try it at least once, but i think it would make your stomach turn.
Personally I would miss chillie peppers the most, love habanero sauce and scotch bonnets on my food.
Nice idea of having your boar with honey, Cute Wolf.
Hello again everyone, once again a big thank you to everyone who contributed to the "SPQR? Who?" thread. I would now like to suggest a discussion which is a bit easier to answer.
If you were living in anqtiquity what would you eat and drink during the day?
For the sake of argument I would like you to assume you have unlimted funds BUT you are limited by geography. For example if you are living in the heart of the Sweboz lands you might enjoy your fill of herrings, game birds or maybe even an auroch but your chances of flavouring your milk with saffron are going to be very slim.
Personally I know very little about what was on people's menus during this period so I look forward to learning something :book:.
Tuck in!
I'll stick to either the fertile cresent or Arabia: dates, barley, wheat, milk, and perhaps beef and mutton.
stratigos vasilios
04-26-2010, 04:18
I'm fair certian if I were in Sweboz lands, I'd be tanked 90% of the day...
antisocialmunky
04-26-2010, 04:46
In Sweboz lands?
People.
Macilrille
04-26-2010, 07:40
Let us not either villainize or romatisize the Sweboz.
1. Most Sweboz ate gruel and bread, but with a bit of meat/heavy diet as they had much cattle.
2. AFAIK, the only evidence we have of cannibalism in Iron Age N Europe is from a holy Cltic Site where ritual cannibalism was practised.
Megas Methuselah
04-26-2010, 08:59
What I really miss from the antiquity's menu is the potato... How could they live without potato!?
Hahaha, that's funny.
plutoboyz
04-26-2010, 10:25
should it in Sweboz land?
HunGeneral
04-26-2010, 15:02
Well I don't know for sure what I would be eating in anqtiquity.
If we take it from geopgraphyical view then I would say: possibly the same as the inhabitants of the Carpathian-basin ate at the time.
If I would end up among some Nomads west of the ural then probeably it would be dairy products, horse milk, cheese, and mostly meat from wild game or horses - although I quess that would be the dinner of a noble. An avarege person would have alot less to eat and famine as such was never far away...
Oh yeah and about the beer: don't forget that beer we know today is not much like what the germanic tribes as such drank in thoose days. We would probeably find it less enjoyeable.
AntonineWall
04-26-2010, 15:10
What I really miss from the antiquity's menu is the potato... How could they live without potato!?
Or the tomato. Or the chilli or a nice cigar for after dinner.
Unless of course you are an ancient meso-american in which case you are larging it with nachos with guacamole and spicy wedges followed by a fine Monte Christo.
Andronikos
04-26-2010, 15:24
I would really miss rice in Europe. :laugh4: Otherwise I don't know, my knowledge about everyday life in antiquity is limited. Oh, I certainly wouldn't be fan of vomitoria, it is disgusting. :laugh4:
But I have two questions about food in antiquity:
1. if you have read Flaubert's Salambo, there is a description of Carthaginian feast in the beginning, how is it accurate?
2. one friend told me, that Hannibal suffered from some gastrointestinal disorder and he could eat only porridge, is it true?
Oh, I certainly wouldn't be fan of vomitoria, it is disgusting. :laugh4:
From what I understand vomitoria didn't actually exist, instead a vomitoria is part of a modern day opera house.
Oh yeah and about the beer: don't forget that beer we know today is not much like what the germanic tribes as such drank in thoose days. We would probeably find it less enjoyeable.
That's true it didn't have hopps in it. I have tried a recreation of Neolithic beer and I must confess it takes some getting used to, it is noticeabley sweeter, weaker and has a great amount of filings in it compared to modern beer.... plus it makes you very windy.
Cute Wolf
04-26-2010, 17:17
That's true it didn't have hopps in it. I have tried a recreation of Neolithic beer and I must confess it takes some getting used to, it is noticeabley sweeter, weaker and has a great amount of filings in it compared to modern beer.... plus it makes you very windy.
Yeah, that was my type.... sweeet, no hops.... and more funny content inside! :grin: Once you try non-Hop beer, that was sweet and really darn good! :thumbsup:
I think Ibrahim and Plutoboyz can't enjoy this...
Wine back then would also have had alot of grit in it. Take for example the Vix krater, it comes complete with a sieve on the top to filter the wine. Does anyone know when spirits first began to be distilled in Europe? I know whiskey was present in Europe by the Dark Ages.
Andronikos
04-26-2010, 17:55
I have read, that ancient Egyptian or middle eastern beer was more like a soup than a drink.
Brennus, that is interesting, where have you tasted that beer I would like to taste something ancient even if it would be plain, but AFAIK there is no possibility in proximity.
Macilrille
04-26-2010, 18:27
You can come to Denmark and try some medieval and viking age beer. We do not know the exact recipies, but the experiments are foten damn good. One of the best I have tried used oak bark instead of hops.
I have read, that ancient Egyptian or middle eastern beer was more like a soup than a drink.
Brennus, that is interesting, where have you tasted that beer I would like to taste something ancient even if it would be plain, but AFAIK there is no possibility in proximity.
I was at a conference in County Sligo, Ireland. One of the speakers was discussing a Neolithic feature (the name escapes me) which is found in Ireland. This feature is effectively a stone trough or cist which is sunk into the ground. Now people are not sure what these were used for and this speaker was suggesting that they could have been used for both baking bread and for brewing beer. He had conducted experiments with his own home made version of the feature and was kind enough to bring in samples of what he had brewed. His name was Gerard Flynn and I think his paper was published by the Institue of Technology Sligo, if you can find it I am sure the recipe is listed.
Cadwalader
04-26-2010, 19:58
There is a recipe for beer (http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html)that was written down by the Sumerians in the form of a hymn to Ninkasi, the goddess of beer. It was made of honey bread, dates and (unmalted?) grain. Apparently they did not filter it after the fermentation and drank it fresh so it must have been very yeasty.
Before hops became popular, people used naturally occuring herbs like Sweet gale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrica_gale) to flavour their beer, but I am not sure how old this practice is.
dominique
04-26-2010, 20:12
I don't think I could stomach garum sauce, I would certainly like to try it at least once, but i think it would make your stomach turn.
Garum must have tasted a lot like the salty fish sauce they serve with the imperial rolls in vietnamese restaurants.
It's actually quite good.
Imagine now what the greeks or romans would have said if confronted with Ketchup or Mayonnaise!
Imagine now what the greeks or romans would have said if confronted with Ketchup or Mayonnaise!
"Needs more fish guts"
I'm not trying to be a goof, but will these beers and wines from antiquity make you tipsy? Or is the alcohol content weaker?
edit: garum sauce sounds good. What did it top?
HunGeneral
04-27-2010, 02:06
I'm not trying to be a goof, but will these beers and wines from antiquity make you tipsy? Or is the alcohol content weaker?
I read somewhere that ancient Wines and Beers had somewhat less alcohol then what is the average today. Beer had many ingrediants (aswell as plants with narcotic effects) so I quess it didn't have much alcohol but you still could get drunk from it.
I must say that I'm not sure wether that is true for Wine though - I read they drank it with 2/3 water ratio which means they added some water to it, which atleast here is almost considered an insult to the Drink. One can still get drunk from it but has to drink more for the effect.
Alittle off topic: how popular is Wine mixed with soda water in West Europe nowadays? I'm just curious...
Cute Wolf
04-27-2010, 05:26
I read somewhere that ancient Wines and Beers had somewhat less alcohol then what is the average today. Beer had many ingrediants (aswell as plants with narcotic effects) so I quess it didn't have much alcohol but you still could get drunk from it.
I must say that I'm not sure wether that is true for Wine though - I read they drank it with 2/3 water ratio which means they added some water to it, which atleast here is almost considered an insult to the Drink. One can still get drunk from it but has to drink more for the effect.
Alittle off topic: how popular is Wine mixed with soda water in West Europe nowadays? I'm just curious...
Same goes here, we're mixing tea with vodka / rhum / whatever high alcohol drinks....
Mediolanicus
04-27-2010, 07:01
Didn't the Gaul (or was in about the Belgae I read?) became completely wasted rather fast, because they drunk undiluted wine according to the Romans?
Alittle off topic: how popular is Wine mixed with soda water in West Europe nowadays? I'm just curious...
Not popular at all. Like you say, it is an insult to the drink.
I do know some people who put some ice cubes in their Rosé wines. That adds some water. But not in red or white wines. Never.
You can come to Denmark and try some medieval and viking age beer. We do not know the exact recipies, but the experiments are foten damn good. One of the best I have tried used oak bark instead of hops.
you scandinavians and your beer-swilling ways...bringing hops to the masses like that :clown:
since we are on the subject, what exactly is hops? I keep hearing about it, but being a complete virgin to alcohol (and not planning on changing that), I have no clue what it is.
Mulceber
04-27-2010, 08:40
I read somewhere that ancient Wines and Beers had somewhat less alcohol then what is the average today. Beer had many ingrediants (aswell as plants with narcotic effects) so I quess it didn't have much alcohol but you still could get drunk from it.
I must say that I'm not sure wether that is true for Wine though - I read they drank it with 2/3 water ratio which means they added some water to it, which atleast here is almost considered an insult to the Drink. One can still get drunk from it but has to drink more for the effect.
Alittle off topic: how popular is Wine mixed with soda water in West Europe nowadays? I'm just curious...
Well, that's true of the wine, but it should be remembered that undiluted ancient wine was actually a syrup, so it's not that we drink unmixed wine, we just have it pre-mixed. -M
HunGeneral
04-27-2010, 08:57
Not popular at all. Like you say, it is an insult to the drink.
I do know some people who put some ice cubes in their Rosé wines. That's adds some water. But not in red or white wines. Never.
So I thought. Like I said adding normal water is considered an insult around here aswell although I should add that adding soda (what counts is the Carbon dioxide not the water) is quite common and very popular - its done with cheap wines in pubs to give them a better aftertaste. It really makes those better, but it should not be used with quality or sweet wine - most of the time it just spoils it.
you scandinavians and your beer-swilling ways...bringing hops to the masses like that :clown:
since we are on the subject, what exactly is hops? I keep hearing about it, but being a complete virgin to alcohol (and not planning on changing that), I have no clue what it is.
Hopps is a plant. It began to be added to beer in Europe towards the end of the middle ages, starting in Germany and the low countries. Hopps makes the drink more bitter but allows you to extract a higher level of alcohol from your mash and thus enable beer to last longer. In the British isles it was introduced in the 15th century by Dutch refugees and it had the result of making the beer industry in England and Scotland professional and male dominated. Prior to hopps introduction the vast majority of beer was brewed by women in cottage industries.
Apázlinemjó
04-27-2010, 11:10
So I thought. Like I said adding normal water is considered an insult around here aswell although I should add that adding soda (what counts is the Carbon dioxide not the water) is quite common and very popular - its done with cheap wines in pubs to give them a better aftertaste. It really makes those better, but it should not be used with quality or sweet wine - most of the time it just spoils it.
I don't think that the Western Europeans know these drinks like:
"Fröccs" = cheap white wine + soda
"Vadász/Leó/VBK" = cheap red wine + cola
"Dízel" = cheap wheat beer + cola
"Fény" = cheap vodka with raspberry syrup poured from soda syphon
I don't know it's slang name = energy drink + champagne
Cadwalader
04-27-2010, 11:21
In Norway a mix of liquor and soda (originally brandy or whiskey) is called a "pjolter". I think you'd be laughed at if you ordered that now, as it's a bit old-fashioned. I could be wrong though, as I don't go to bars.
According to the wikipedia, "kongepjolter" is a mix of champagne and cognac, while "pjoltergeist" is a pun that describes alcohol-induced hallucinations. :beam:
Lord Sweatpants
04-27-2010, 16:41
I don't think that the Western Europeans know these drinks like:
"Fröccs" = cheap white wine + soda
"Vadász/Leó/VBK" = cheap red wine + cola
"Dízel" = cheap wheat beer + cola
"Fény" = cheap vodka with raspberry syrup poured from soda syphon
I don't know it's slang name = energy drink + champagne
Ah, but you forgot the famous combination of cola+soda!
Drink of the Gods! (of heart faliure)
Cute Wolf
04-27-2010, 16:42
Ah, but you forgot the famous combination of cola+soda!
Drink of the Gods! (of heart faliure)
did the Hellenes invent soda?
ziegenpeter
04-27-2010, 17:35
If I lived in Sweboz land... maybe I'll have enough fun hunting wild boars, but all I need for a complete set of Sweboz dinner is:
- some fresh vegetables with boiled eggs
- a big chunk of Roasted boar with honey...
- a dish of whale steak
- a soup made of cheesy cream with goat intestines
- and don't forget, a big tube of beers....
Well I fear I wouldn't like "germanic" food that much. It was mostly mash of barley, rye etc. sometimes even roots. Meat was rather rare (not medium ^^) And for the beer: I guess it wasn't that foamy and sparkling as modern german beer but flat and rather low on alcohol. Fortunatly there wa still mead!
Andronikos
04-27-2010, 18:16
Same goes here, we're mixing tea with vodka / rhum / whatever high alcohol drinks....
Isn't that considered an insult to the tea in your country? :laugh4: BTW, what about hot drinks in antiquity, was tea imported from India or China at least to eastern parts of the EB map? So that our debate about food doesn't turn totally into alcoholic one.
"Fröccs" = cheap white wine + soda
"Vadász/Leó/VBK" = cheap red wine + cola
"Dízel" = cheap wheat beer + cola
"Fény" = cheap vodka with raspberry syrup poured from soda syphon
I don't know it's slang name = energy drink + champagne
You also forgot Radler = Sprite + beer
Lord Sweatpants
04-27-2010, 18:39
did the Hellenes invent soda?
Wouldn't put it past them. :P
Right now I am in the mood for lying in the sun just outside Rhodes harbour with a kebab of roasted swallows and a side dish of fish fried in olive oil, some local olives and goats milk cheese. Drinking some diluted wine and just watching the ships come and go.
Fluvius Camillus
04-27-2010, 23:17
Right now I am in the mood for lying in the sun just outside Rhodes harbour with a kebab of roasted swallows and a side dish of fish fried in olive oil, some local olives and goats milk cheese. Drinking some diluted wine and just watching the ships come and go.
I can see it before me already, wow I would love that!!~D
I would also enjoy a sunny day as Romani aristocrat at my Campanian villa. Drinking some Falernian wine, eat some meat snacks served by my servants, maybe have someone play one of those authentic Romani themes. Ah... That would be life....
~Fluvius
stratigos vasilios
04-28-2010, 03:13
I would also enjoy a sunny day as Romani aristocrat at my Campanian villa. Drinking some Falernian wine, eat some meat snacks served by my servants, maybe have someone play one of those authentic Romani themes. Ah... That would be life....
So long as it's an EB Romani tune...
antisocialmunky
04-28-2010, 05:26
How would you put CO2 in solution back then other than letting something ferment in a pressure sealed container like a well corked amphora?
Well how do we carbonise drinks now?
MerlinusCDXX
04-29-2010, 06:42
How would you put CO2 in solution back then other than letting something ferment in a pressure sealed container like a well corked amphora?
Well how do we carbonise drinks now?
I know for beer, water, and soda, you just use a CO2 tank, regulator and sealed pressure keg combo, cool the liquid to about 35 degrees Fahrenheit, and apply 15 to 20 psi of top pressure (NEVER use more pressure than a keg is rated for! That's a great way to blow up your keg.). If you want your liquid to dissolve a bit more CO2, gently agitating (usually by shaking) the contents every once in a while will help.
Based on that information i seriously doubt the Greeks had fizzy drinks.
This may seem like a silly question (forgive me I don't know much about civillian Roman life) but did the Romans (or anyone else for that matter) have restaurants in the form that we would recognise?
At the moment I think the best place to live in terms of food would be southern Gaul, quite close to Massalia, you would have access to the northern "barbarian" hearty meals but also be able to purchase exotic luxuries to improve your dinner.
Cute Wolf
04-29-2010, 10:58
in ancient Roman cities, we can found some eating houses sold baked breads, wine, and meats... it was mentioned in EB I think
just like today's pizza stall, but without tomato
in ancient Roman cities, we can found some eating houses sold baked breads, wine, and meats... it was mentioned in EB I think
just like today's pizza stall, but without tomato
Interesting. Thanks Cute Wolf!
Cadwalader
04-29-2010, 11:32
I read in an article(yes, I know how meaningless that makes my post) that Roman noblemen sometimes wrote travel logs, complete with tavern recommendations. Strabo recommended one inn for its food. I'll try to find this article.
Maybe a little bit out of the timeframe, but I have this paragraph from "The Totally Useless History of the World" (I couldn't find my copy of the "Horrible Histories: The Rotten Romans" which actually has some reciepes it it, but I'll keep a lookout for it)
"Sow's womb and Mackerel Guts - by the 1st century AD only one in ten people in Rome had access to a hearth where they could cook - so the purveyors of takeaway food did a roaring trade. For the wealthy who dined at home, popular items included roast dormouse, kale covered in saltpetre, and sow's womb (served with or without udders). Spattered over everything was a ubiquitous fish sauce called garum, made from slow cooked mackerel guts (production of the pungent, salty sauce within the city was prohibited on account of the stench). A disk for special occasions was the porcus troianus (Trojan pig), a whole roasted pig stuffed with fruit and sausages. Brought to the table standing on its legs, its belly was then cut open, letting spill the sausages as if they were the animal's entrails. By this time the earlier fashion of allowing one's fish to expire at table (preferably in a sauce) had gone out of favour."
From "The Totally Useless History of the World" by Ian Crofton
artavazd
05-12-2010, 22:50
Ancient Armenia: Beer, wine, grains, mutton, beef, fruites ( especialy grapes, pomogranites, apricuts) and nuts
moonburn
05-13-2010, 03:27
for the co2 i believe romans used special waters in m land there are 2 very famous types of water who already posses the co2 in them and it is said that romans used to import them in large quantities since they where considered medicinal
garum probably isn´t much diferent from sardine or any other type of fish paté i mean people eat tuna sandwishes nowadays
as for the menu i would probably pick either egypt or seulecia since i like my food spicy so living without indian scpices would be a rather dull meal (i mean my ancestors went into the sea to get those spices)
as for adding stuff to the wine depends alot on the wine if you dare to touch a massala a rioja a oporto or a madeira wine you´re practically comiting sacrilege but if it´s a bad wine most people do like the spanish and add soda and/or ice cubes and call it "tinto verano" or summer red wine
as for soda being invented by the greeks i don´t know but as i said first sparkly water ocurs naturally in nature you just had to find a way to add sugar to it
MerlinusCDXX
05-13-2010, 06:11
for the co2 i believe romans used special waters in m land there are 2 very famous types of water who already posses the co2 in them and it is said that romans used to import them in large quantities since they where considered medicinal
garum probably isn´t much diferent from sardine or any other type of fish paté i mean people eat tuna sandwishes nowadays
as for the menu i would probably pick either egypt or seulecia since i like my food spicy so living without indian scpices would be a rather dull meal (i mean my ancestors went into the sea to get those spices)
as for adding stuff to the wine depends alot on the wine if you dare to touch a massala a rioja a oporto or a madeira wine you´re practically comiting sacrilege but if it´s a bad wine most people do like the spanish and add soda and/or ice cubes and call it "tinto verano" or summer red wine
as for soda being invented by the greeks i don´t know but as i said first sparkly water ocurs naturally in nature you just had to find a way to add sugar to it
Actually, garum would most likely resemble namh pla (Thai or Vietnamese fish sauce), they are made by a similar method. They probably used different types of fish though.
I read in an article(yes, I know how meaningless that makes my post)
And tell me why does it make your post meaningless? I read a lot, and though can quote my stuff, though, i've a serious memory problem with names, i can't never remember who wrote that... still, i don't consider my posts meaningless! All knowledge is good, all ignorance is bad!
Cute Wolf
05-15-2010, 11:43
I still wonder, can I have rice when I was in Roman, Carthaginian or Western Greek lands?
Apázlinemjó
05-15-2010, 12:54
I still wonder, can I have rice when I was in Roman, Carthaginian or Western Greek lands?
In EB timeframe, I don't think so. However in the late Roman Empire, I'm pretty sure you could get rice if you were enough rich to buy it.
Cute Wolf
05-15-2010, 13:10
In EB timeframe, I don't think so. However in the late Roman Empire, I'm pretty sure you could get rice if you were enough rich to buy it.
wonders... did the poor eat wheat bread... or did they eat porridge?
Cadwalader
05-16-2010, 18:31
And tell me why does it make your post meaningless? I read a lot, and though can quote my stuff, though, i've a serious memory problem with names, i can't never remember who wrote that... still, i don't consider my posts meaningless! All knowledge is good, all ignorance is bad!
I expect people here to want some sourced is all. And I couldn't find this article or any other mention of travel guides.
I couldn't even find the article in my browser history, which is strange. It's like I dreamt it, only it seems beyond me to make up an article in my sleep.
alexanderthegreater
05-19-2010, 21:41
BOOZE!
If i were rich, I would go on a drinking yourney, drinking all 5 kinds of ancient Egyptian beer, all undiluted wines (apparantly the hellens dilute it the wusses), oh and has garum alcohol in it?
Anybody know what the strongest drink was they could serve in antiquity?
What would Romans eat at your average orgy anyway? It sure sounds like those people knew how to party
BOOZE!
What would Romans eat at your average orgy anyway? party
Pussy. Sorry that was poor taste but I couldn't resist. :jester: Probably foods associated with Venus?
I was wondering at what point pasta became a staple food in southern Italy and what it replaced.
Pussy. Sorry that was poor taste but I couldn't resist. :jester: Probably foods associated with Venus?
I was wondering at what point pasta became a staple food in southern Italy and what it replaced.
pasta became a staple in the 15th centure after Marco Polo brought the idea from CHINA
Cute Wolf
05-20-2010, 10:41
I read somewhere, Romans and Greeks eat dried flies dipped in honey before they go to orgy. Afterall, flies are aphrodisiac, and give them better time....
pasta became a staple in the 15th centure after Marco Polo brought the idea from CHINA
Its starting to look like a lot of "traditonal" European foods are quite recent introductions, especially Italian cooking.
Just had a lovely curry, off topic but I wanted to share it with people.
stratigos vasilios
05-21-2010, 18:04
Just had a lovely curry, off topic but I wanted to share it with people.
So when will I get my share of the curry...?
So when will I get my share of the curry...?
lol
Oh I think I would have enjoyed being in Greece. I seem to remember the people in the Odyssey spending lots of time eating lamb and drinking wine (for the sake of argument this would be drank the way that the Ancient Greeks did) when they weren't busy doing epic stuff.
Mediolanicus
05-22-2010, 01:03
Oh I think I would have enjoyed being in Greece. I seem to remember the people in the Odyssey spending lots of time eating lamb and drinking wine (for the sake of argument this would be drank the way that the Ancient Greeks did) when they weren't busy doing epic stuff.
Like sitting on their arse all day long in the sun with no worries, thinking about the way of things. Yeah, I see myself doing epic things while sipping wine and eating lamb and olives with some stone-baked bread, all delivered up to you by your servants.
Or other typically ancient Greek activities... Possibly also involving arse... But which I do not see myself doing...
Oh, the epicness!
Yes I would certainly hope to have avoided the man-boy love aspect of higher learning.
You never know it has it's advantages, that's how i got my degree......
Just thinking about nomadic steppe people's, where would they have procured fruit and veg?
Mediolanicus
05-22-2010, 12:28
You never know it has it's advantages, that's how i got my degree......
Just thinking about nomadic steppe people's, where would they have procured fruit and veg?
So, you went to a catholic university then?
Same way as hunter gatherers and nomads always did and still do today. They live of the land.
stratigos vasilios
05-22-2010, 13:46
You never know it has it's advantages, that's how i got my degree......
Did they nail a bar of soap to the floor to get you? Been there man...
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