View Full Version : Why Is Seemingly Every Anti-Gay Activist a Closet Case?
I'm not even sure these things bear mentioning any more, but this one is particularly awful:
Big-time gay "curer," anti-gay activist and Baptist minister ... well, do I even need to say it (http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-05-06/news/christian-right-leader-george-rekers-takes-vacation-with-rent-boy/)? Oh, and he co-founded the Family Research Council, once again proving Lemur's law, that any organization with the word "family" in the name is psychotic.
The pictures on the Rentboy.com profile show a shirtless young man with delicate features, guileless eyes, and sun-kissed, hairless skin. The profile touts his "smooth, sweet, tight ***" and "perfectly built 8 inch **** (uncut)" and explains he is "sensual," "wild," and "up for anything" — as long you ask first. And as long as you pay.
On April 13, the "rent boy" (whom we'll call Lucien) arrived at Miami International Airport on Iberian Airlines Flight 6123, after a ten-day, fully subsidized trip to Europe. He was soon followed out of customs by an old man with an atavistic mustache and a desperate blond comb-over, pushing an overburdened baggage cart.
That man was George Alan Rekers, of North Miami — the callboy's client and, as it happens, one of America's most prominent anti-gay activists. Rekers, a Baptist minister who is a leading scholar for the Christian right, left the terminal with his gay escort, looking a bit discomfited when a picture of the two was snapped with a hot-pink digital camera.
Reached by New Times before a trip to Bermuda, Rekers said he learned Lucien was a prostitute only midway through their vacation. "I had surgery," Rekers said, "and I can't lift luggage. That's why I hired him." [...]
For decades, George Alan Rekers has been a general in the culture wars, though his work has often been behind the scenes. In 1983, he and James Dobson, America's best-known homophobe, formed the Family Research Council, a D.C.-based, rabidly Christian, and vehemently anti-gay lobbying group that has become a standard-bearer of the nation's extreme right wing. Its annual Values Summit is considered a litmus test for Republican presidential hopefuls, and Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter have spoken there. (The Family Research Council would not comment about Rekers's Euro-trip.)
He has also influenced American government, serving in advisory roles with Congress, the White House, and the Department of Health and Human Services and testifying as a state's witness in favor of Florida's gay adoption ban.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 00:42
I guess they hate being gay.
PanzerJaeger
05-05-2010, 00:45
Because reaching that level of hatred for something so innocuous requires at least a certain level of self loathing. Sure I can understand disliking gays, but to get out in the streets and make it one's life goal to hurt them requires a deeper level of intimacy with the subject, no pun intended. That's my guess.
I do disagree with the article on one point, the linkage of these activities to the right wing in general. I believe this is based more specifically on evangelicals. Many right wing people do not hate gay people. They may have principled disagreements with the legal specifics of something like gay marriage, but the real hatred comes from the religious (I do realize there is significant overlap, though).
Vladimir
05-05-2010, 00:49
I guess they hate being gay.
Pretty much. Thread closed.
Chances are that they're ashamed that what they are is so far from what they want. It's a sad situation. The same rule also applies to those who ridicule them.
Maybe they're just trying to deflect attention?
You got to think of ingroups and outgroups.
In their little bible belt area, homosexuality is the big sin. They have these homosexual thoughts and they go "oh no, I might be infected! I know, I will hate on teh gay".
Then they go around hating homosexuals and making their life awful, that way, they can go "I am definitely not one of those homosexuals, ho ho ho".
They continue and continue till they grow weary of fighting it and go "This sucks, I am going to join in the gay!" so one minute superhomophobe, next minute "Hello Boys!".
Classic self-denial case.
Maybe they're just trying to deflect attention?
There's a whole theory of this, something like the "shield of virtue," or some such formulation, about how people who harbor "shame" behaviors can make up for it by posting more and more aggressively as the virtuous. My Google-fu is failing me, though, and I can't locate either a summary of the theory or the name of the author. Shame on me.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2010, 01:01
I imagine that a fair number of former alcoholics who preach about avoiding alcohol, end up drinking again. We don't really charge them with hypocrisy though--it doesn't make much sense to criticize someone who knows what is right, and preaches what is right, but has trouble doing it because it's hard.
The difference is, they are correct that being an alcoholic is a bad thing, and the priests are wrong.
I am reminded of an ancient proverb: He who smelt it, dealt it.
G. Septimus
05-05-2010, 10:08
Pretty much. Thread closed.
Chances are that they're ashamed that what they are is so far from what they want. It's a sad situation. The same rule also applies to those who ridicule them.
Maybe they're just trying to deflect attention?
lol you say "Thread Closed" and it's still opened
Hosakawa Tito
05-05-2010, 10:55
Not sure, but the comic relief is much appreciated.
Cute Wolf
05-05-2010, 11:08
gay or not gay, that was the basic human rights in sexuality... when you didn't agree about that, you can close your eyes, and watch your behind...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-05-2010, 13:17
There's a whole theory of this, something like the "shield of virtue," or some such formulation, about how people who harbor "shame" behaviors can make up for it by posting more and more aggressively as the virtuous. My Google-fu is failing me, though, and I can't locate either a summary of the theory or the name of the author. Shame on me.
Partly true.
I imagine that a fair number of former alcoholics who preach about avoiding alcohol, end up drinking again. We don't really charge them with hypocrisy though--it doesn't make much sense to criticize someone who knows what is right, and preaches what is right, but has trouble doing it because it's hard.
The difference is, they are correct that being an alcoholic is a bad thing, and the priests are wrong.
Also partly true. These men believe being homosexual is wrong, and just like any other addict they try to "get clean" and then help others.
This is not to say, of course, that some of them aren't haters as well; and generally quite vile.
Rhyfelwyr
05-05-2010, 13:30
I think this is a phenomenon for American evangelicals, as has been pointed out.
As to homophobia in general, meh. I used to hate a lot on teh gays. Maybe this sounds stupid to y'all here, but to me, terms like gay/pedophile/rapist were basically interchangeable. You were either normal or a deviant, once they were different in one respect they could be pretty much anything else. When we had these debates in the past, I used to think everyone was bs'ign me when they insisted that gay people really weren't all these things as well.
As to why I thought this, well its what pretty much everyone else in RL believed, and it was confirmed by limited personal experience (the only gay person I ever knew in RL was the weird queen type, really creeped me out, plus police vans had to regularly patrol a local park you can guess why, confirmed the idea of them being like the 'badman' kids are told to look out for). And yes you can all go into a leftist moral outrage over this, but that's just what the world is like outside of the liberal circles of the enlightened few.
I guess I changed me views when I went on a work experience thing, and the guy I worked with one of the days was gay. I didn't even know until I heard after, and he was the nicest guy I met on the trip. The other workers weren't hostile to him or anything, but there was a lot of jokes etc behind his back, made me feel sorry for him.
I still think homosexuality is wrong, but I suppose I don't hate on them as much now.
Spartakus
05-05-2010, 15:36
If you are a repressed homosexual I imagine it must be intolerable to watch other homosexuals enjoy life in harmony with their nature.
Strike For The South
05-05-2010, 16:56
uncut you say?
How exotic
Scienter
05-05-2010, 17:55
I suppose I should feel bad for Rekers because his anti-homosexual actions are probably a result of his own self-hatred, but I don't, really. But, when someone makes a career out of promoting bigotry and discrimination, I'm glad when these scandals break because it damages their cause.
I suppose I should feel bad for Rekers because his anti-homosexual actions are probably a result of his own self-hatred, but I don't, really. But, when someone makes a career out of promoting bigotry and discrimination, I'm glad when these scandals break because it damages their cause.
Agreed.
If we lived in an more open and tolerant society then these issues wouldn't happen in the first place.
al Roumi
05-06-2010, 14:59
I suppose I should feel bad for Rekers because his anti-homosexual actions are probably a result of his own self-hatred, but I don't, really. But, when someone makes a career out of promoting bigotry and discrimination, I'm glad when these scandals break because it damages their cause.
Well said.
Colbert can't leave well enough alone (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/308752/may-05-2010/alpha-dog-of-the-week---george-rekers). Although, in fairness, the cameraman is a stroke of genius.
Major Robert Dump
05-06-2010, 19:13
Maybe his nickname for his testicles is "my luggage." In which case, he is technically not lying and therefore still a good, gay christian.
KukriKhan
05-07-2010, 01:36
I feel a Poll coming up: "Have you ever used a nickname to refer to your private parts?"
Crazed Rabbit
05-07-2010, 02:02
Reached by New Times before a trip to Bermuda, Rekers said he learned Lucien was a prostitute only midway through their vacation. "I had surgery," Rekers said, "and I can't lift luggage. That's why I hired him." [...]
Oh come on now, Lemur. Who hasn't hired a gay prostitute to haul luggage around for them?
Semi-seriously, in answer to the thread title, I suspect it's because we only hear about these anti-gay types when they turn out to be gay.
CR
This is not a parody, repeat, this is NOT a parody. And this is the gayest dude ever to declare that homosexuality is an abomination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD5mFQkenqI
Seamus Fermanagh
06-22-2010, 19:53
A "straight man who used to be gay?" I know that sexuality is, at best, a continuum and not an on/off switch. However, even absent conclusive research as to homosexuality as a nature/nurture trait, my own experiences and interactions suggest that "nurture" is, at best, the smaller of the two "causes" for this. If it is naturally occurring, however rare, how can it be an "abomination?"
A "straight man who used to be gay?"
In a fabulous ascot, too. Mmmm.
He is still gay, he just doesn't act on it or does secretly.
Probably more of a case that he doesn't practise in homosexual acts, so he won't go to hell, but it doesn't stop him spending time with the boys in his dreams.
This guy is obviously a fifth column attack by GLAAD on the self-hating "family values" closet-residents within the religious right. He will run through them like a combine driver on meth, exposing them all as the hypocrits they are. :yes:
Vladimir
06-22-2010, 20:20
Don't worry about it. Worrying is a sin.
Louis VI the Fat
06-23-2010, 00:09
There is something so sad, so tragic, about watching that gay. Uh, guy.
He is obviously homosexual, but his doubt and guild has convinced him otherwise. He is so troubled by it, tries to push the genie back into the bottle so hard, that he now devotes his time hunting gays. Sad.
But it really shows in a nutshell why so many 'family values' men are closet gays. (Or is that why closet gays are family values men)
He is obviously homosexual, but his doubt and guild has convinced him otherwise.
As per usual, South Park nailed it completely and utterly (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155508).
Louis VI the Fat
06-23-2010, 00:35
Evil capitalists won't let me watch that. ~:mecry:
Vladimir
06-23-2010, 00:55
Evil capitalists won't let me watch that. ~:mecry:
Hah! Now you know how I feel toward BBC!
As per usual, South Park nailed it completely and utterly (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155508).
I think you linked the wrong video Lemur. Either that, or you think Muslim exchange students are all terrorists.
I think you linked the wrong video Lemur. Either that, or you think Muslim exchange students are all terrorists.
Nope, it's the correct clip, at least when accessed from the continental U.S.A. Might be a problem with accessing it from elsewhere, though ...
Nope, it's the correct clip, at least when accessed from the continental U.S.A. Might be a problem with accessing it from elsewhere, though ...
Probably it then. I got this one about this Muslim exchange student and Cartman phoning Kyle to check his myspace. A whole 24-theme to it.
I got the correct clip. Spot on. :yes:
PanzerJaeger
06-23-2010, 17:16
I enjoyed the easy transitions between New Testament love and Old Testament wrath. "God loves you and made you in his image, but express your natural, God-given sexual orientation and you're going to hell!" I've heard the same argument countless times over a host of different issues in school.
In any event, I have mixed emotions about this unfortunate fellow. At first, I pitied him as he has obviously been completely brainwashed. Then I laughed, as he grasped for his soul through the bars of his imaginary cage. As the video progressed though, and he made the classic religious transition from compassion to intimidation, I couldn’t help but be angry at the influence this video might have on young people struggling with their own sexualities – it kind of ruined the humor. Ex-gay ministries latch on to society’s most base intolerances to destroy lives for profit. Much like an abused child who grows up to abuse his own children, this guy is both a victim and a victimizer.
Myrddraal
06-23-2010, 18:25
Well said PanzerJaeger, and yet it shouldn't really surprise you, how often is this the case with how many different wrongs?
Ex-gay ministries latch on to society’s most base intolerances to destroy lives for profit.
In defense of the ex-gay movement (words I never thought I would type), I don't get the impression that it's a big profit center or motivated by buckeroos. Wrong, yes. Destructive, yes. Hypocritical, evil, contrafactual and damaging to children, yes. But money-grubbing? I don't really think so.
PanzerJaeger
06-23-2010, 18:42
In defense of the ex-gay movement (words I never thought I would type), I don't get the impression that it's a big profit center or motivated by buckeroos. Wrong, yes. Destructive, yes. Hypocritical, evil, contrafactual and damaging to children, yes. But money-grubbing? I don't really think so.
People, especially parents of gay children, pay for these "services", which are very expensive. It's a scam, nothing more.
Huh, well, shows you what I know, which is very little about this. Doing a some searching, I see one program is $875 for four days (http://www.peoplecanchange.com/JourneyBeyond2010.html). Yikes! You are right, I was wrong. 'Nuff said.
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By way of comparison, Exodus Freedom Conference's Moving Forward (http://exodusfreedom.org/front-page/registration-information/) is a bargain, at a mere $299 for four days. (Although I can't tell if Love Won Out is included in that price; if not, it's another $75.)
PanzerJaeger
06-23-2010, 19:11
For what it's worth... the face of the ex-gay movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7SVBd8KcaE&feature=related
For what it's worth... the face of the ex-gay movement.
That lesbian is almost enough to make me watch cable news. Almost, but not quite.
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Apropos of nothing, this gave me a good laugh:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/6a00d8341c730253ef0133f1a57321970b-.jpg
aimlesswanderer
06-24-2010, 12:55
I love how the headline "Cohen: homosexuality a be cured with touch therapy" shows when you scroll the page. I wonder where this "touch therapy" concentrates its touching...
Seamus Fermanagh
06-24-2010, 16:14
I love how the headline "Cohen: homosexuality a be cured with touch therapy" shows when you scroll the page. I wonder where this "touch therapy" concentrates its touching...
Glad you stopped. Don't want DevDave to get all hot and sweaty.
Louis VI the Fat
06-24-2010, 17:24
Speaking of which, Dave asked me if I could lend him $875...
Minnesota Lutheran pastor blames homosexuals for tornado. I'll give you a shiny nickel if you can guess how this one (http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/06/pastor_tom_broc.php) ends ...
Homophobes = Homosexuals.
Who is feeling rather Homophobic on this forum?
PanzerJaeger
06-25-2010, 04:46
Minnesota Lutheran pastor blames homosexuals for tornado. I'll give you a shiny nickel if you can guess how this one (http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/06/pastor_tom_broc.php) ends ...
HAH.
(BTW, I have a running theory that Mike Huckabee is gay. When interviewed on every other issue, he is completely friendly and respectful and seems like a generally nice guy. However, when it comes to teh gays, he seems almost incapable of controlling his contempt.)
Another one:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/_47438550_058-1.jpg
US anti-gay rights senator Roy Ashburn comes out (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8556852.stm)
A conservative US state senator who has voted against gay rights measures during his 14 years in office has announced he is gay.
Republican Roy Ashburn came out during a radio interview in California, where he sits on the state legislature.
He has been on leave since his arrest last week on suspicion of driving under the influence.
Mr Ashburn said his votes reflected the way his constituents wanted him to vote, not his own "internal conflict".
"I am gay... those are the words that have been so difficult for me for so long," the 55-year-old divorced father-of-four told KERN radio.
Mr Ashburn said he felt the need to address rumours that he had visited a gay nightclub before his arrest on suspicion of drinking and driving in Sacramento on 3 March.
Last year, Mr Ashburn opposed a bill to establish a day of recognition to honour murdered gay rights activist Harvey Milk.
He has also voted in the statehouse against efforts to expand anti-discrimination laws and recognise out-of-state gay marriages.
Mr Ashburn, who represents California's 18th district, said he does not plan to run for any public office after his term ends later this year.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2011, 11:10
I don't think this phenomenon is unique to gay folks.
It sort of reminds me of folks blending in as best they can with the majority to escape the persecution of the minority; such as in Nazi Germany. If everywhere you went in society, there were people who considered you lost, amoral, wicked and evil just for being who you are, it really limits your options. One such option which is taken by people is to join the oppressors, and help them wage a cultural war on minorities.
It's not pretty, and it's easy to call these people hypocritical, but I certainly wouldn't want to walk a mile in their shoes. I just wish they would stop hurting themselves and people just like them in order to conform. I also wish people would quit telling them to conform, but wishing for a thing doesn't do jack.
Scienter
03-10-2011, 14:35
I don't think this phenomenon is unique to gay folks.
It sort of reminds me of folks blending in as best they can with the majority to escape the persecution of the minority; such as in Nazi Germany. If everywhere you went in society, there were people who considered you lost, amoral, wicked and evil just for being who you are, it really limits your options. One such option which is taken by people is to join the oppressors, and help them wage a cultural war on minorities.
It's not pretty, and it's easy to call these people hypocritical, but I certainly wouldn't want to walk a mile in their shoes. I just wish they would stop hurting themselves and people just like them in order to conform. I also wish people would quit telling them to conform, but wishing for a thing doesn't do jack.
I feel bad for them too. But, their actions as politicians harm other gay people. Were I in their shoes, I certainly wouldn't enter politics, especially in a party that disapproved of my sexuality.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2011, 16:39
I feel bad for them too. But, their actions as politicians harm other gay people. Were I in their shoes, I certainly wouldn't enter politics, especially in a party that disapproved of my sexuality.
I'd like to say that too, but I can't say that unless I've walked a mile in their shoes.
Sure, in some areas of our society its becoming more accepted, but there are folks from the Bible-thumping "family values" conservative social issue platform background, and if you aren't vehemently anti-gay, you aren't moral in the eyes of many.
It's like being part of a cult. You have to praise the leader as loudly as you can, and strictly adhere to the moral code of the majority, even if that means denouncing people just like yourself.
There's also denial.... this person probably believed for a long time that the devil was out to get his soul, and if he closed his eyes and concentrated real hard, he could control his urges and love only women. People trapped in denial seem to go to great lengths to prove themselves... and then you get people wondering if they "protest too much", which leads to only further and more vehement denials, until one day you're on the radio admitting you're gay.
I hate what he's done as much as anyone else, but the more and more I see of this, the more and more I am feeling the psychological wounds involved. He's guilty of harming himself and others with his "moral crusading", but he's still a victim of the heteronormative majority-driven fascist culture we have. It's up to the gay community to forgive him, but he's not the first and won't be the last member of that community to campaign against it due to societal pressure.
Rhyfelwyr
03-10-2011, 18:24
Or maybe its not everyones fault that he can't deal with peer pressure.
Sarmatian
03-11-2011, 11:47
There is something so sad, so tragic, about watching that gay. Uh, guy.
He is obviously homosexual, but his doubt and guild has convinced him otherwise. He is so troubled by it, tries to push the genie back into the bottle so hard, that he now devotes his time hunting gays. Sad.
But it really shows in a nutshell why so many 'family values' men are closet gays. (Or is that why closet gays are family values men)
Just like Louis is a closet communist and that's why he attacks communism on every occassion. Come out, Louis... Shhh, it'll be okay...
Another one:
US anti-gay rights senator Roy Ashburn comes out (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8556852.stm)
You are one year late, it seems.
Here's an interesting round-up of 21 closeted men (http://www.salon.com/2012/06/23/lgbts_worst_foe_the_closet_monster/slide_show/1) who did their best to persecute gay people.
I don't believe that every anti-gay activist is a closeted homosexual. Just most of them.
Major Robert Dump
06-25-2012, 19:53
Yes! I love this thread, and it had been a while....
ICantSpellDawg
06-26-2012, 04:21
Here's an interesting round-up of 21 closeted men (http://www.salon.com/2012/06/23/lgbts_worst_foe_the_closet_monster/slide_show/1) who did their best to persecute gay people.
I don't believe that every anti-gay activist is a closeted homosexual. Just most of them.
You could also make an interesting post about how some of the worst opponents of Christianity profess to be Christian.
It is also a bit far to believe that "most" opponents of homosexuality are gay themselves. A more realistic belief would be "some" or "many", but "most" implies some knowledge that you would readily admit that you don't have.
PanzerJaeger
06-26-2012, 05:37
Here's an interesting round-up of 21 closeted men (http://www.salon.com/2012/06/23/lgbts_worst_foe_the_closet_monster/slide_show/1) who did their best to persecute gay people.
I don't believe that every anti-gay activist is a closeted homosexual. Just most of them.
What a sad commentary on our society. While there are a few certified 'monsters' on that list, most are just men who tried and failed to reconcile their political convictions with their personal lives. I do not consider Ken Mehlman a monster. It really sucks that conservatism in this country is wrapped up in a bunch of unrelated, fundamentalist biblical crap that has nothing to do with the size and scope of government. There is nothing about same-sex attraction that makes one automatically inclined to support a bloated welfare state and the leaches that attach themselves to it. What is a small government-minded gay person who wants to make a difference in politics to do? :shrug:
Supporting the libertarians
Greyblades
06-26-2012, 09:51
What a sad commentary on our society. While there are a few certified 'monsters' on that list, most are just men who tried and failed to reconcile their political convictions with their personal lives. I do not consider Ken Mehlman a monster. It really sucks that conservatism in this country is wrapped up in a bunch of unrelated, fundamentalist biblical crap that has nothing to do with the size and scope of government. There is nothing about same-sex attraction that makes one automatically inclined to support a bloated welfare state and the leaches that attach themselves to it. What is a small government-minded gay person who wants to make a difference in politics to do? :shrug:
Vote Labour, They're all about supporting Homosexuals, Transsexuals, Africans, Asians, Europeans, Latin Americans, middle eastern, Conservatives, upper class, middle class, they're so accepting to everyone It's amazing.
Well everyone but the white, straight, working class males.
I get the feeling I am going to look back at this political phase and cringe but heck if it isn't fun.
Vote Labour, They're all about supporting Homosexuals, Transsexuals, Africans, Asians, Europeans, Latin Americans, middle eastern, Conservatives, upper class, middle class, they're so accepting to everyone It's amazing.
Well everyone but the white, straight, working class males.
I get the feeling I am going to look back at this political phase and cringe but heck if it isn't fun.
Bashing labour is ALWAYS fun. It's also always true. Even when it isn't
Greyblades
06-26-2012, 10:28
Oh I'd bash on the conservatives in a heartbeat, I just cant get as much material on them because they actually do what they're voted in to do.
We have a day with funny hats for that, perfect
And oh aren't you the man, shooting these girls in the head because they are lesbian http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/crime/2012/06/lesbische-tieners-neergeschoten-in-park
What a waste, some people are just out to destroy
And oh aren't you the man, shooting these girls in the head because they are lesbian http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/crime/2012/06/lesbische-tieners-neergeschoten-in-park
What a waste, some people are just out to destroy
Portland, Texas.
Guns and Discrimination about homosexuals. Not really that amusing when my first thought was "America" and it was instantly validated when I read the location.
Portland, Texas.
Guns and Discrimination about homosexuals. Not really that amusing when my first thought was "America" and it was instantly validated when I read the location.
Big place. But this breaks my heart they look so happy together. What a sorry piece of shit you must be to shoot these cute girls who did nothing wrong. Heard the left one is still alive I hope she can identify the prick.
Strike For The South
06-27-2012, 17:58
Portland, Texas.
Guns and Discrimination about homosexuals. Not really that amusing when my first thought was "America" and it was instantly validated when I read the location.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57461785-504083/same-sex-teen-couple-shot-police-say-no-evidence-that-bias-was-the-motive/
"no evidence to suggest that this crime was committed as a bias against the girls or their lifestyle."
Lets not break out the jump to conclusions mat just yet, sweetheart
What else could it be of course the police doesn't know what the motive was as nobody was caught yet. It makes me really sad that someone felt the need to do this. Total idiot, why care about what doesn't bother you at all. Meh. Poor girls. I cannot desribe how much this disgusts me.
Papewaio
06-28-2012, 10:21
Midnight in a park. Probably a robbery.
Midnight in a park. Probably a robbery.
It's not really a park, it's just a neighbourhood.
ajaxfetish
06-28-2012, 17:24
It's not really a park, it's just a neighbourhood.
From STFS's link: "Mollie Judith Olgin, 19, and Mary Kristene Chapa, 18, were found lying in a grassy area of a Portland park"
If no one except homosexuals gets attacked at night in a park, then "what else could it be" is reasonable. As it is, we're best off sticking with
the police doesn't know what the motive was as nobody was caught yet
Hatred of homosexuals is certainly a possible motive for the attack, but let's wait and see what we can get evidence for.
Ajax
Major Robert Dump
06-28-2012, 20:32
It was a jealous lesbian, probably one with a mullet who works as a welder near the shipyard.
I really just don't see a homophobe committing a hate crime against the lifestyle by going after a couple of cutesy lesbian teenage girls. There are some things that transcend universal hawtness, even for an evil ole homo-killer
Anti-Gay Activist and Prop 8 Donor Charged With Sexually Assaulting Young Boys (http://www.back2stonewall.com/2012/08/anti-gay-activist-prop-8-donor-charged-sexually-assaulting-young-boys.html)
A longtime anti-gay activist, California Prop 8 donor, and elementary school teacher was taken into custody on August 17th after admitting inappropriate contact with young boys. Caleb Douglas Hesse, a teacher for the Morongo Unified School District since 1987 (most recently, he was teaching first grade at Friendly Hills Elementary School in Joshua Tree) and a longtime youth volunteer with the virulently homophobic Evangelical Free Church of Yucca Valley, has confessed to sexually abusing “numerous underage boys,” with authorities believe the crimes occurred between the early 1980’s and as recently as a week ago.”
Investigators say Hesse met the majority of the victims during overnight outings with a youth group at the Evangelical Free Church
Anti-gay pastor Grant Storms convicted of masturbating in New Orleans park (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/anti-gay-pastor-grant-storms-convicted-masturbating-new-orleans-park-article-1.1143649)
But it's not clear that he was aroused by the boy children, so maybe this doesn't belong—Lemur
An anti-gay pastor in New Orleans was convicted of masturbating in a public park last year, telling authorities in his confession that the sex act was a "thrill" and a "fantasy."
Grant Storms, who gained notoriety by leading a raucous march against homosexuals during New Orleans' annual gay-oriented Southern Decadence festival, was found guilty of obscenity on Wednesday for the Feb. 25, 2011, incident.
Storms was busted in Lafreniere Park in suburban Metairie after a nanny spotted him behind the wheel of his parked van with his penis out and a hat partially covering his face.
After he was arrested, the 55-year-old preacher admitted to cops that it was the third time that week he had pleasured himself in the park, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported.
During his confession, Storms told police he was cutting some grass in the park when he took a break to drink a beer and became "horny," the newspaper reported.
"Why do you go to the park and do this, as far as masturbating,” Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office Sgt. Kevin Balser asked Storms during the interview, according to the Times-Picayune.
"I don't know," Storms said. "I guess a thrill."
"So it's a thrill-slash-fantasy for you?" Balser said.
"Yes," Storms said.
After the arrest, Storms was accused of being a pedophile because he had been busted near a park where children often play.
But prosecutors said there was no evidence that Storms was sexually aroused by children.
Strike For The South
08-27-2012, 19:46
Grant Storms is a name that should be in porn
Major Robert Dump
08-28-2012, 02:39
Anti-gay pastor Grant Storms convicted of masturbating in New Orleans park (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/anti-gay-pastor-grant-storms-convicted-masturbating-new-orleans-park-article-1.1143649)
But it's not clear that he was aroused by the boy children, so maybe this doesn't belong—Lemur
An anti-gay pastor in New Orleans was convicted of masturbating in a public park last year, telling authorities in his confession that the sex act was a "thrill" and a "fantasy."
Grant Storms, who gained notoriety by leading a raucous march against homosexuals during New Orleans' annual gay-oriented Southern Decadence festival, was found guilty of obscenity on Wednesday for the Feb. 25, 2011, incident.
Storms was busted in Lafreniere Park in suburban Metairie after a nanny spotted him behind the wheel of his parked van with his penis out and a hat partially covering his face.
After he was arrested, the 55-year-old preacher admitted to cops that it was the third time that week he had pleasured himself in the park, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported.
During his confession, Storms told police he was cutting some grass in the park when he took a break to drink a beer and became "horny," the newspaper reported.
"Why do you go to the park and do this, as far as masturbating,” Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office Sgt. Kevin Balser asked Storms during the interview, according to the Times-Picayune.
"I don't know," Storms said. "I guess a thrill."
"So it's a thrill-slash-fantasy for you?" Balser said.
"Yes," Storms said.
After the arrest, Storms was accused of being a pedophile because he had been busted near a park where children often play.
But prosecutors said there was no evidence that Storms was sexually aroused by children.
Ya know I saw this the other day and thought of you, and misread the byline and thought it was an old story and figured you already posted it. I feel dejected. Yay for parks
ajaxfetish
08-28-2012, 02:40
I'd be careful to draw a distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia/child abuse, but the general hypocrisy is still definitely worth noting.
Ajax
Gregoshi
08-28-2012, 03:42
Anti-gay pastor Grant Storms convicted of masturbating in New Orleans park (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/anti-gay-pastor-grant-storms-convicted-masturbating-new-orleans-park-article-1.1143649)
And it wasn't even Palm Sunday.
I'd be careful to draw a distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia/child abuse, but the general hypocrisy is still definitely worth noting.
Right. And pastorbation does not equal gay.
I hope I did not cross the line of good taste and offend anyone with these.
I think the nail has generally been hit on the head in regards to the answer to the topic's title. It just shows how much society can warp views. Even in the face of absurdity, if you're told to think in a certain way enough times, you might just think it. I'd like to think I could never become so ignorant, but as ATPG says, its hard to say since we weren't brought up in the same way.
However, to oppose homosexuality is one thing, but to make it your mission to eradicate it when you are gay yourself, is the epitome of cowardice. This is coming from someone who prefers guys. Only in the last year have I truly admitted to myself that I'm gay, but I can never recall of persecuting other homosexual people for being that way (other than perhaps making dumb comments like 'I have no problems with gays, but It doesn't make it right' around the age of 13 :sweatdrop: ), but rather admired others who are so open about it. However the fact that I used to have thoughts like that shows that with enough brainwashing, I probably could have turned into one of these anti-homosexual bible-bashers as well. It's scary to think...
...All because of a crooked religious outlook, and probably by no small part money too. Everywhere you look you'll find people just dying to take the stuff of your hands. One last parting thing I can say with conviction...I'm sure glad I don't live in America. :yes:
Vladimir
08-28-2012, 13:26
...All because of a crooked religious outlook, and probably by no small part money too. Everywhere you look you'll find people just dying to take the stuff of your hands. One last parting thing I can say with conviction...I'm sure glad I don't live in America. :yes:
Seriously?
...I'm sure glad I don't live in America. :yes:
Your loss.
I'd be careful to draw a distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia/child abuse
Yah, definitely do not mean to create any false equivalence there. Hence the note I added to the second article. (But that was probably insufficient.)
It just shows how much society can warp views
You know, if I had to put money down, I'd bet that it is not society-at-large so much as parents. There's nobody more powerful in your life for your first ten years or so. And if they tell you, repeatedly, that the thing you desire is horrible and twisted and evil and against God's will, that's going to create some repercussions. Maybe you stay strong, get the hell out, and become a normal person anyway. or maybe you take it in, accept their hate, and become Roy Cohn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn) (the grandaddy of all closeted gay persecutors).
People are much too complex to say "if x then y," but you can easily see how pushing a kid in a particular direction will create pushback of some sort.
Montmorency
08-28-2012, 19:57
I'd like to think I could never become so ignorant,
No one knows the limits of knowing. We are all infinitely ignorant.
No one knows the limits of knowing. We are all infinitely ignorant.
Hence 'I'd like to think', I'm sure I'm ignorant to all kinds of things, even my reply to this thread may be ignorant in places. I'm just giving my perspective, not everyone will agree with it, whether that is rightly or wrongly so.
Lemur
Of course Parents do have a fundamental impact, although surely they too were influenced by society in order to have those views, it all goes back to the same root issue. Although it would be far too base to assume all people are the same and are afflicted in the same way.
As for my 'I'm sure glad I don't live in America' remark, again, I'm sure that was quite an ignorant comment to make since each state is different and each person is brought up differently, but it does seem to be that the intolerant Christian foothold seems to stem from America as this thread demonstrates, I'm sure I'd still rather live in America than most of the world, but I'd hate to think how I could have turned out if I'd been raised by Strict Christian Parents in some homophobic Texan School, for example. So for the sake of my own human rights, I'm very glad I don't live in such areas of America... :rolleyes:
Strike For The South
08-28-2012, 23:32
@Lemur (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=4288)
Of course Parents do have a fundamental impact, although surely they too were influenced by society in order to have those views, it all goes back to the same root issue. Although it would be far too base to assume all people are the same and are afflicted in the same way.
As for my 'I'm sure glad I don't live in America' remark, again, I'm sure that was quite an ignorant comment to make since each state is different and each person is brought up differently, but it does seem to be that the intolerant Christian foothold seems to stem from America as this thread demonstrates, I'm sure I'd still rather live in America than most of the world, but I'd hate to think how I could have turned out if I'd been raised by Strict Christian Parents in some homophobic Texan School, for example. So for the sake of my own human rights, I'm very glad I don't live in such areas of America... :rolleyes:
And I am glad I wasn't born in Ethiopia? What the hell does that have to do with anything?
'I'm sure I'd still rather live in America than most of the world'
^, I'm just glad I live where I do in regards to this issue, that is all.
See this is why I've never frequented the backroom, I always manage to say something offense or ignorant. I'll be quiet now. :creep:
Strike For The South
08-28-2012, 23:58
'I'm sure I'd still rather live in America than most of the world'
^, I'm just glad I live where I do in regards to this issue, that is all.
See this is why I've never frequented the backroom, I always manage to say something offense or ignorant. I'll be quiet now. :creep:
The UK and America aren't much different. They really aren't.
The UK and America aren't much different. They really aren't.
In which case, I have grown up in a friendly neighborhood. :yes:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-29-2012, 02:11
I think the nail has generally been hit on the head in regards to the answer to the topic's title. It just shows how much society can warp views. Even in the face of absurdity, if you're told to think in a certain way enough times, you might just think it. I'd like to think I could never become so ignorant, but as ATPG says, its hard to say since we weren't brought up in the same way.
However, to oppose homosexuality is one thing, but to make it your mission to eradicate it when you are gay yourself, is the epitome of cowardice. This is coming from someone who prefers guys. Only in the last year have I truly admitted to myself that I'm gay, but I can never recall of persecuting other homosexual people for being that way (other than perhaps making dumb comments like 'I have no problems with gays, but It doesn't make it right' around the age of 13 :sweatdrop: ), but rather admired others who are so open about it. However the fact that I used to have thoughts like that shows that with enough brainwashing, I probably could have turned into one of these anti-homosexual bible-bashers as well. It's scary to think...
...All because of a crooked religious outlook, and probably by no small part money too. Everywhere you look you'll find people just dying to take the stuff of your hands. One last parting thing I can say with conviction...I'm sure glad I don't live in America. :yes:
You obviously haven't thought very hard about this, at all. You are Gay and apparently you live in an area of the UK which is OK with that. Bully for you, but that means you've never had to think hard about what being Gay is, or isn't, you just accept what society tells you about who you are.
So do Evangelical Americans, or Britons.
The current paradigm states that being "Gay" is innate, but until the late eighties/early nineties the orthodoxy among Gay-rights campaigners was that it was a lifestyle choice. From a moralistic point of view both claims have problems if you believe homosexuality is "wrong", but the key point is that just because you incline towards something doesn't make it right or wrong. You have an external moral framework to tell you what's right or wrong independent of what you want.
All this is to say that you shouldn't judge people who don't like being Gay, or who are Gay and think it's a Sin, as "Cowards" because from their point of view they are fighting against an inclination that they see as wrong, just like a sadist or a misanthrope, or someone with a violent temper.
What you can judge them for is hypocrisy, because it's one thing to fight against your natural inclinations and view them as unhealthy - it's quite another to make money out of telling other people to do it and spend that on homosexual prostitutes.
As for my 'I'm sure glad I don't live in America' remark, again, I'm sure that was quite an ignorant comment to make since each state is different and each person is brought up differently, but it does seem to be that the intolerant Christian foothold seems to stem from America as this thread demonstrates, I'm sure I'd still rather live in America than most of the world, but I'd hate to think how I could have turned out if I'd been raised by Strict Christian Parents in some homophobic Texan School, for example. So for the sake of my own human rights, I'm very glad I don't live in such areas of America... :rolleyes:
Context: Strike was raised by (fairly) strict Christian parents. Several of my openly Gay friends in the UK were raised just as you describe, they didn't become homophobes either.
The UK and America aren't much different. They really aren't.
This is quite true, except that in the US the religious groups are much more effective at lobbying government.
Greyblades
08-29-2012, 02:38
This is quite true, except that in the US the religious groups are much more effective at lobbying government.
In Britain the religious fundie nuts are either ignored or ridiculed by the majority, in America they are the majority.
Montmorency
08-29-2012, 02:44
You have an external moral framework to tell you what's right or wrong independent of what you want.
All this is to say that you shouldn't judge people who don't like being Gay, or who are Gay and think it's a Sin, as "Cowards" because from their point of view they are fighting against an inclination that they see as wrong, just like a sadist or a misanthrope, or someone with a violent temper.
In the past, you called this "preference".
Strike For The South
08-29-2012, 02:44
In Britain the religious fundie nuts are either ignored or ridiculed by the majority, in America they are the majority.
No they are not
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-29-2012, 02:46
In the past, you called this "preference".
People kept interpreting that as "choice" though, so I changed the word I use.
That doesn't detract from the fact that a preference or inclination does not, of itself, dictate a choice.
I prefer meat, but I could become a vegetarian if I considered it necessary from a moral point of view - that wouldn't make me happy, though.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-29-2012, 02:50
No they are not
The social paradigm is different in the US - religious tribalism within the nominally Christian majority is still very important and Church attendance is generally high. The social collapse in the 70's-80's coincided with a religious and moral collapse in the UK, possibly as a result of postwar hostility to any strong belief, but I think we are starting to see a none too healthy upsurge in "spiritualism" and "religion", especially among the younger generation.
Strike For The South
08-29-2012, 03:00
The social paradigm is different in the US - religious tribalism within the nominally Christian majority is still very important and Church attendance is generally high. The social collapse in the 70's-80's coincided with a religious and moral collapse in the UK, possibly as a result of postwar hostility to any strong belief, but I think we are starting to see a none too healthy upsurge in "spiritualism" and "religion", especially among the younger generation.
I was just going to say something along these lines. Brits can be just as regressive socially, it just manifests itself differently.
We have the same institutions and a very similar history, so if the UK is some sort of bastion of tolerance, the US is not far behind
I prefer meat, but I could become a vegetarian if I considered it necessary from a moral point of view - that wouldn't make me happy, though.
Well the same goes for homosexuals. I know where this conversation ends, lets see how many people have the patience to entertain you for 5+ pages
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-29-2012, 03:33
Well the same goes for homosexuals. I know where this conversation ends, lets see how many people have the patience to entertain you for 5+ pages
If it's all the same to you, I think we should just assume Whacker has called me a homophobe, HoreTore has purposely misread everything I write, we'll pretend Rhy is still here to defend my moral integrity and then we'll skip to this:
Whether or not we view homosexuality as "good" or "bad" is not an accurate measure of how developed we are as a society, nor how inherently moral. Considerably less moral societies have been much more tolerant of homosexuality (and appear to have had more homosexuals or bisexuals) than societies that came later and were in many other ways more advanced and offered a better life and more tolerance in general.
From this I have concluded that the "rightness" of homosexuality as a lifestyle is not a closed question, but that does not make homosexuals evil or abominations, and if loving someone of the same sex, or having sex with them, is a Sin in the yes of God I'd think there are about a thousand things he would be more concerned with you not doing.
Like, say, casting the first stone.
Strike For The South
08-29-2012, 03:51
If it's all the same to you, I think we should just assume Whacker has called me a homophobe, HoreTore has purposely misread everything I write, we'll pretend Rhy is still here to defend my moral integrity and then we'll skip to this:
Whether or not we view homosexuality as "good" or "bad" is not an accurate measure of how developed we are as a society, nor how inherently moral. Considerably less moral societies have been much more tolerant of homosexuality (and appear to have had more homosexuals or bisexuals) than societies that came later and were in many other ways more advanced and offered a better life and more tolerance in general.
From this I have concluded that the "rightness" of homosexuality as a lifestyle is not a closed question, but that does not make homosexuals evil or abominations, and if loving someone of the same sex, or having sex with them, is a Sin in the yes of God I'd think there are about a thousand things he would be more concerned with you not doing.
Like, say, casting the first stone.
Like Idaho earlier, I disagree with with some of the details but agree on the conclusion.
Whether or not it is genetic is irrelevant. I have a per-chant for redheads, now that could be because It is hardwired in my DNA or because the first movie I remember seeing was Who Killed Roger Rabbit. I still should be able to pursue and marry one.
PanzerJaeger
08-29-2012, 04:53
See this is why I've never frequented the backroom, I always manage to say something offense or ignorant. I'll be quiet now. :creep:
Don’t let the boys harry you; nothing you said was ignorant. America is one of, if not the worst nation in the developed world in which to be a homosexual. In no other Western nation are gay people so marginalized, so openly derided. My country is unique among such nations in its regressive tilt against homosexuality after some small progress in the 90’s and early 00’s. Surely there is plenty of anti-gay sentiment in Europe and other modern nations, but one would have to travel to the third world to find the kind of social acceptance of virulent anti-gay hatred that exists in the United States. And if election results are an accurate measure of public sentiment, that's the way a majority of Americans like it.
You are also correct in identifying Christianity as the single driving force behind anti-gay feelings in this country.
You obviously haven't thought very hard about this, at all. You are Gay and apparently you live in an area of the UK which is OK with that. Bully for you, but that means you've never had to think hard about what being Gay is, or isn't, you just accept what society tells you about who you are.
How you got all of that from what he wrote is beyond me.
The current paradigm states that being "Gay" is innate, but until the late eighties/early nineties the orthodoxy among Gay-rights campaigners was that it was a lifestyle choice.
Source?
All this is to say that you shouldn't judge people who don't like being Gay, or who are Gay and think it's a Sin, as "Cowards" because from their point of view they are fighting against an inclination that they see as wrong, just like a sadist or a misanthrope, or someone with a violent temper.
What you can judge them for is hypocrisy, because it's one thing to fight against your natural inclinations and view them as unhealthy - it's quite another to make money out of telling other people to do it and spend that on homosexual prostitutes.
Considering that he never implied anything close to what you wrote in the first paragraph, your lecture in the second seems exceedingly unnecessary.
Papewaio
08-29-2012, 04:58
I have a meme that I am teaching my seven year old son.
I ask him "What is the bravest thing you can be?"
His answer "Yourself."
Thats just my opinion. But I think everyone should be themselves, don't cast the stone, don't hold onto the hot coal of anger. Just be all you can be. Being a hypocrite is about as far from bein yourself as you can be. It only ends in tears.
I'll just dig myself a deeper hole and be courteous enough to reply. :grin2:
You obviously haven't thought very hard about this, at all. You are Gay and apparently you live in an area of the UK which is OK with that. Bully for you, but that means you've never had to think hard about what being Gay is, or isn't, you just accept what society tells you about who you are.
So do Evangelical Americans, or Britons.
The current paradigm states that being "Gay" is innate, but until the late eighties/early nineties the orthodoxy among Gay-rights campaigners was that it was a lifestyle choice. From a moralistic point of view both claims have problems if you believe homosexuality is "wrong", but the key point is that just because you incline towards something doesn't make it right or wrong. You have an external moral framework to tell you what's right or wrong independent of what you want.
All this is to say that you shouldn't judge people who don't like being Gay, or who are Gay and think it's a Sin, as "Cowards" because from their point of view they are fighting against an inclination that they see as wrong, just like a sadist or a misanthrope, or someone with a violent temper.
What you can judge them for is hypocrisy, because it's one thing to fight against your natural inclinations and view them as unhealthy - it's quite another to make money out of telling other people to do it and spend that on homosexual prostitutes.
The external moral framework you speak of is something I'd never really even thought about (so thanks). I'd probably now put some more emphasis on free-will. Whilst society warps your views, I don't necessarily accept everything a society tells me to be, much of my society tells me that homosexuals dress up as women, wear fake tan and Idolize Lady Gaga. I do none of these things. When other societies would fit my inclination better, such as what is perceived as being straight for example, I would adopt that part of society's views instead. Although that was quite a trivial comparison, it should at least show that someone gay who is homophobic will have seen more than 1 society's viewpoint in their lifetimes, and should not automatically hate gay people because one society tells them to.
I'm probably agreeing with you more than opposing what you're saying...
Perhaps cowardice was an incorrect term, but in the case of the activists who have campaigned against homosexuality whilst practicing it, cowardice does at least belong to them since even by their perceived moral framework, they have caved into their instinctive inclinations which they know full well are wrong in the viewpoint of their perceived moral framework. Their Internal courage is therefore compromised against opposition, definition of a coward, more or less.
Anyway I can barely even comprehend what I've just written, I'm just going to go and hope no one reads whatever it is I just said... :creep:
PanzerJaeger
Thanks for the morale boost. :bow:
rory_20_uk
08-29-2012, 11:25
I have a meme that I am teaching my seven year old son.
I ask him "What is the bravest thing you can be?"
His answer "Yourself."
Thats just my opinion. But I think everyone should be themselves, don't cast the stone, don't hold onto the hot coal of anger. Just be all you can be. Being a hypocrite is about as far from bein yourself as you can be. It only ends in tears.
It's as good as far as it goes. But this oh so individualistic outlook idealises the individual over everyone and everything else: Playing music at 3am? I'm being who I am, ergo it's OK. Grooming underage girls? Hey - I'm just being myself, where's the crime??
I don't think that Singapore / North Korea has the balance right either, but placing one's own wants as right by virtue of being wants has its own dangers.
~:smoking:
Vladimir
08-29-2012, 13:23
'I'm sure I'd still rather live in America than most of the world'
^, I'm just glad I live where I do in regards to this issue, that is all.
See this is why I've never frequented the backroom, I always manage to say something offense or ignorant. I'll be quiet now. :creep:
No, keep talking. You have a cool avitar. ~;)
Visit Austin.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-29-2012, 16:09
I'll just dig myself a deeper hole and be courteous enough to reply. :grin2:
The external moral framework you speak of is something I'd never really even thought about (so thanks). I'd probably now put some more emphasis on free-will. Whilst society warps your views, I don't necessarily accept everything a society tells me to be, much of my society tells me that homosexuals dress up as women, wear fake tan and Idolize Lady Gaga. I do none of these things. When other societies would fit my inclination better, such as what is perceived as being straight for example, I would adopt that part of society's views instead. Although that was quite a trivial comparison, it should at least show that someone gay who is homophobic will have seen more than 1 society's viewpoint in their lifetimes, and should not automatically hate gay people because one society tells them to.
I'm probably agreeing with you more than opposing what you're saying...
Perhaps cowardice was an incorrect term, but in the case of the activists who have campaigned against homosexuality whilst practicing it, cowardice does at least belong to them since even by their perceived moral framework, they have caved into their instinctive inclinations which they know full well are wrong in the viewpoint of their perceived moral framework. Their Internal courage is therefore compromised against opposition, definition of a coward, more or less.
Anyway I can barely even comprehend what I've just written, I'm just going to go and hope no one reads whatever it is I just said... :creep:
Firstly, I think what you wrote makes perfect sense. Secondly, I'm sorry I was a bit short last night but I was posting after 2am, which I shouldn't do.
Something I touched on briefly, and have written about before here, is that we aren't really all that tolerant of homosexuality outside people who conform to the "Gay" stereotype, even the word "Gay" is prescriptive because it defines a sexual orientation as an inclination towards a particular life style.
It's worth pointing out that this is changing, but we still have a situation where people prefer their homosexual men limp wristed and pastel wearing, and their homosexual women as aggressive feminists. Rugby playing homosexual men make heterosexual men uncomfortable, and likewise pretty homosexual women cause all sorts of gender insecurity, not just in women but in men also.
All this is by the by, I think it has to do with the situation we have where we Marry for love (or enter a Civil Partnership for love) and then are monogamous, where previously you married regardless of preference. It also has to do with homosexuals being a small minority in general, and also, I believe, to do with the "straight or Gay" narrative we have about sex where most people are actually somewhere in the middle.
I mean, you think homosexuals have it bad? Try being Bi, if you're a woman you "can't get a man" and if you're a man you're "Gay and in denial". How's that for condescension?
I mean, you think homosexuals have it bad? Try being Bi, if you're a woman you "can't get a man" and if you're a man you're "Gay and in denial". How's that for condescension?
We should express our solidarity with bisexuals by renaming the Mars rover "Curiosity" into "Bi-Curiosity".
Major Robert Dump
08-29-2012, 17:50
And I am glad I wasn't born in Ethiopia? What the hell does that have to do with anything?
DUDE R U serious? Being born in Ethiopia would be awesome because I would be like taller and have bigger muscles than anyone there, and probably have the nicest car too LOLZ
Papewaio
08-29-2012, 23:15
It's as good as far as it goes. But this oh so individualistic outlook idealises the individual over everyone and everything else: Playing music at 3am? I'm being who I am, ergo it's OK. Grooming underage girls? Hey - I'm just being myself, where's the crime??
I don't think that Singapore / North Korea has the balance right either, but placing one's own wants as right by virtue of being wants has its own dangers.
~:smoking:
Yes, the life lessons for my child start and end in a single sentence.
The context of my conversation with him was to do with bullying and his own creative spirit. Raising a child to be an independent free willed thinker who helps others typically starts with getting them to help himself and then the household.
So he has learned to say thankyou from a young age, does his chores before and after school, helps his mom, grandma and teacher.
Next step is to increase his self worth and belief so that he can stand up for himself.
The future hopefully will take him through a journey from dependent to independent to intradependent.
But until then I'm going to make sure he has enough self esteem and discipline to tidy his bed, play music , go ride his bike and read books. Most of all I'll do my best to keep him happy, healthy, smart and strong.
I'll just set down a marker for later.
Aaron Schock, Republican Congressman, Responds To Gay Rumors, Anti-Gay Voting Record (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/03/aaron-schock-gay-rumors_n_1851827.html)
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GOP Congressman Aaron Schock of Illinois, the subject of persistent gay rumors since he took office in 2009, said on Thursday that questions about his sexual orientation and how it might relate to his antigay voting record and positions are “inappropriate and ridiculous” and not “worthy of further response.” He also stated, “I’ve said that before,” when asked if he is confirming that he is not gay, and added, “You can look it up.” [...]
On why he voted against DADT repeal, Schock said: “I took the advice of military experts that came before Congress. I think that’s why you have John McCain and others who have a military background. Adam Kinzinger is a close personal friend of mine who’s an active duty member of Congress [in the district] next door to me and so I think that’s why you saw the consistency.”
In an interview with Buzzfeed’s Chris Geidner at “Newt University” in Tampa during the RNC, Schock, who has said he is opposed to gay marriage, also stood by his strong criticism of President Obama and the Department of Justice for not defending the Defense of Marriage Act in federal court. But he hedged on support for a federal marriage amendment that would ban states from allowing gays and lesbians to marry, saying, “I haven’t really thought too much about it.”
Major Robert Dump
09-03-2012, 23:31
LOL but he knows a guy in the military who opposes it, and seeing as that is probably all he knows, he can legitimately say "most of the people I know in the military oppose it."
OMG Congress is like The Org
Anti-Gay Activist Lisa Biron Found Guilty Of Child Pornography After Video Taping Daughter (http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/anti_gay_activist_guilty_of_child_pornography_after_videotaping_daughter/)
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A New Hampshire lawyer who works with a virulently anti-gay Christian-right organization has been found guilty of child pornography charges after videotaping her own daughter having sex with two men on multiple occasions.
Lisa Biron, 43, of Manchester faces a minimum sentence of 25 years in prison after a jury convicted her yesterday. The jury deliberated for less than an hour.
Biron, arrested by the FBI last November, was accused of eight felony counts involving the videotaping of men having sex with a 14-year-old girl who was identified by the Associated Press as her daughter. She also allegedly made a cellphone video of herself having sex with her daughter.
Biron, who claimed on her Facebook page (which was taken down, according to the Concord Monitor) that the Bible was her favorite book, had worked with Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), formerly the Alliance Defense Fund, in defending a Pentecostal church in Concord in a tax fight against the city.
The Arizona-based ADF calls itself a “servant ministry” that seeks to transform the legal system and advocate “for religious liberty, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family.” [They also] claim that “the homosexual agenda” will destroy religious liberty and free speech. In one chapter, they claim that homosexuality on college campuses leads to pedophilia, and that homosexuality and pedophilia “are intrinsically linked.
Is it a wonder she was anti-gay? She loved straight sex so much, she had to get her underage daughter into it and videotape it for posterity.
Is it a wonder she was anti-gay? She loved straight sex so much, she had to get her underage daughter into it and videotape it for posterity.
Yeah, this lady is considerably worse than a closet case. The relevant sentence that allows me to shoe-horn the story into this thread: "She also allegedly made a cellphone video of herself having sex with her daughter."
How was she caught? (I mean, I can think of a few ways, but I would like to know how they pegged her down for it.)
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