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Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2010, 21:33
Askthepizzaguy presents
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FIVE KINGS
A Kingdoms Britannia Hotseat
Starring:
1. Askthepizzaguy (GM and player)
2. TheFlax (player)
3. YLC (player)
4. Chaotix (player)
5. johnhughthom (player)
England- Askthepizzaguy
Scotland- johnhughthom
Ireland- Chaotix
Wales- TheFlax
Norway- YLC
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HOUSE RULES: READ AND UNDERSTAND THEM PLEASE.
-The usual no console/no cheating rules apply.
-Spies cannot be used to force open settlements during seiges
-Each turn should be completed within 5 days. Extensions can be granted in extenuating circumstances, at the discretion of the GM. After 5 days with no contact from a player the GM will arrange for the turn to be subbed either by a sub designated by the player, or a neutral third-party sub, or a faction allied to that player, or by the GM in that order of preference.
- All battles, including those between player-controlled factions, may be fought by the attacking player (against the VH AI), or auto-resolved.
- Please send a private message to the next player in line to alert them that it is their turn.
- Players are requested to compete in good faith and with a sporting spirit at all times.
- No exploits. The following exploits are banned. This list is not exhaustive, and in considering a course of action the player concerned should have regard for the rule regarding sportsmanlike conduct. If there is any doubt about exactly what actions these exploits involve, or whether a given action which is not specifically banned would constitute an exploit, please seek guidance from the GM or other players before completing the relevant turn.
*** Re-loading of save game to play the turn again in a different way, or to create a different outcome.
*** Merchant fort exploit.
*** Surround and destroy exploit (relating to agents, also to armies or ships engaged in battle. An escape route of at least one tile must be left.)
*** Deliberately setting up tribute deals which will result in a faction going more than 20k in debt.
*** Deliberately exchanging territories for the sole purpose of gaining a free garrison.
*** Deliberate manipulation of the diplomacy system in order to break a siege, or achieve any other unrealistic in-game outcome.
Please remain in-character here, if you have something OOC to say, please place it in spoilers.
You may post just the link which contains the save turn file, but remember to send a PM to the next player indicating that it is his turn.
Askthepizzaguy
05-13-2010, 21:35
Please confirm your faction now.
I've chosen England. TheFlax was interested in Wales, YLC was interested in Norway or Ireland, Chaotix was interested in Ireland, and John was interested in Scotland. However, you may decide to choose a different faction now.
Please send me your password so I can either skip your turn, sub your turn, or replace you if you need to drop out.
I've PM'd YLC.
Basically, I'm fine with either Ireland or Norway, so I'm going let him choose which one of the two he wants.
johnhughthom
05-14-2010, 00:47
I'm happy enough with Scotland, though being Irish I'd have thought..... :thinking:
Seriously though, most of my ancestors of this time were probably Scottish and Scotland is the only campaign I ever played more than a few turns with in M2TW so it's ideal for me.
Just to remind you I'm off on holiday on Saturday probably with no internet access, and definitly with no comp I could play this on. I doubt I'll be able to do my first turn, could somebody put my armies into cities or forts and build churches, roads or farms (in that order), I even trust you "King Atpg the English dog" to do so. Oh, and please don't attack me while I'm away...
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 01:19
I will never declare war on someone while they are away.
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 04:33
Save file for Ireland:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5d3gpx
5K-Ireland-01.sav
Format for naming the file should be 5K-(your faction name)-(Turn number).sav. but I'm not a total stickler. Sendspace is fine for uploading it.
Send me your password at the end of your turn, and then send the save file to the next player in line.
Ok, YLC has told me he definitely wants Norway, meaning I am Ireland.
Unfortunately, it's a little late for me to start this turn now- so if it's ok with you, ATPG, I will do this tomorrow.
Also, random question- why is Ireland first instead of England?
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 04:59
@ Chaotix
OOC:
Already played my English turn, my good Irish lad. You weren't first.
Also, before we gear up for war I'd like to resolve the Irish-English conflict peacefully. If we can do so, allow my diplomat to meet with you privately to hear our offer for a peaceful withdrawl from Ireland. Same for Wales. England isn't interested in war anymore. I will do an IC post soon.
All posts should be IC from now on unless they are spoiled and OOC.
@ATPG:
That makes more sense.
I've changed my mind and I'm probably going to do my turn now.
ATPG, I will await your offer and will not hinder your diplomat, but I'm still going to position my troops in case I don't like what you've got to say. I will not attack you until I hear you out, though.
Also, if we're going to get a diplomacy thread, it should be set on the central Isle of Man.
The Right-Honourable King of Wales may take his turn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5228). May he be blessed by God and kill a ton of Englishmen.
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 05:38
The emissary of the King of England would meet with the King of Wales to discuss peace and withdrawl from Welsh territory, if your lord is willing.
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 06:11
Cheshire, England
A man before the assembled diplomats and asks for silence.
I am a representative of King William of England, sent here to discuss a potential end to hostilities in these islands. It seems my lord has taken ill and has no stomach for conquest, and no dreams of uniting all of these lands under the English banner. What the king has proposed, after meeting with his priest, is that English forces withdraw from all the native territories of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, and return to England in peace.
In exchange for releasing these lands from his noble grasp and granting them independence (allegiance to their native nations) and a total withdrawal of all troops, the King has asked for monetary compensation, that he might feed his soldiers and continue to pay for them until they have all peacefully withdrawn to England, where they can fortify his border provinces and ensure the safety of the realm. A private offer of peace was rejected by the Irish, and so the English king is doubly concerned with ensuring peace and prosperity between the Welsh, Scottish, and English people, at least until a more equitable deal can be reached and peace can exist everywhere.
You are all honored guests; yes, including the Irish. We will consider your offer and see if we cannot reach a middle ground.
In the meantime, there is food and drink to be had by all, and you will be provided with the finest rooms that we have to offer in this city.
The man sits down and opens the floor up for public talks, while another man retires to private chambers.
A man in green clothing, clearly Irish, stands to speak.
"Me friends, d'you hear what this blabbering loon be saying?
He wants us to pay him so that he can move his armies outside our lands, where they shouldn't have been in the first place. That sounds distinctly like some sort of ransom to me. Who goes around marchin' his armies into other people's countries and then demands gold in order to leave? A bloody warmongering tyrant, that's who! Do you know what he's going to use that money for? He'll build himself an even bigger army so that, when he decides to conquer us, he can do a more complete job instead of leaving us alive.
We don't owe him nothing! I say we make him leave our lands, free of charge. Really, he should be paying us, but as I am a fair man, I won't try to force that on the English; the pansies might wet their trousers at the thought of it.
But listen to me here: what is this English King going to do if all three of us- Ireland, Scotland, Wales- tell him to piss off and to get out of our lands? Do you really think he can fight all three of us at once? I think the only choice he'd be given is to agree. And it's only fair, 'cause he started these wars in the first place. So, I pose this question to the two of you.
Why should we accept his offer and pay him for our own rightful lands when we can take them back for nothing, and achieve the same result?"
The Irishman sits, awaiting a response.
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 07:02
The English diplomat, clearly distressed, replies in disagreement with the Irish diplomat.
The honorable man from Ireland is correct on some points.
The English King is not interested in a retreat for the sake of retreat. He doesn't wish for continued war but an equitable peace.
The English control half of Ireland, with the better castles and cities already under his control. He's also not an inept leader, so public order and money isn't really a problem for him. As it stands right now, none of these places are even close to revolting, and the garrisons are getting huge. The Irish living there experience such low taxes and live under such clean, safe conditions, that they have readily accepted English rule.
What the Irish king proposes is to make war upon his own people; while the garrisons are English, many of the new recruits are Irish and will fight for England as well. It would be very simple for the English King to keep his forces in Ireland for a very long time. Instead, he's offered to turn over all of Irish territory back to the presumptive leader of a united Ireland, in exchange for slightly more money in taxes than the provinces in question provide. How much more?
Interesting you should ask. The emissary left that part open-ended.... there was no certainly no ransom demand, no gold amount demanded, beyond breaking even. What was asked was for the Irish treasurer to look at their finances and see if they could afford to make the offer even sweeter for England. Instead of any attempts to haggle, our offer was summarily dismissed without a reasonable counter offer. What the Irish leader asks for is that we pack up our bags and go home in defeat.... but we have not been defeated. We ask for an honorable retreat. The peace he seeks is the total surrender of England (and to be fair, half of Ireland), to bow to King Brian without any concessions whatsoever. We have slightly more pride than that, even though we are sick of war. What England is asking for is some reasonable concession in exchange for an equally reasonable concession. Ireland wishes to unite and be whole, England wishes not to go bankrupt in the process or send our boys home without their shirts (ooc: total disbanding of our forces).
As it presently stands, England and Scotland are at peace, Irish delegate.
England and Wales should have a peace quite easily, as we are prepared to turn over control of the Welsh city with minimal fuss and retreat easily from the Welsh border back to England. This is such a small concession that I think nothing of it.
Rather, Ireland, you stand nearly conquered, and I am offering you your entire lands back in exchange for little more than what the provinces themselves make, for a short duration. If that is not good enough for you, then I am afraid you're not reasonable enough to exchange words with.
England makes peace but is prepared for war.
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 07:23
OOC announcement:
Please adjust your settings that the game has "Large" unit size. Otherwise it seems we are having a wee error wherein some people have large unit size and others apparently do not, which is obviously strange.
johnhughthom
05-14-2010, 16:54
OOC announcement:
Please adjust your settings that the game has "Large" unit size. Otherwise it seems we are having a wee error wherein some people have large unit size and others apparently do not, which is obviously strange.
OOC You're the English Pizza, wee is an Scot/Irish word so hands off!
If your people were honourable, they would not have invaded Ireland and Wales in the first place.
Your reputation, rather, is closer to that of a mud-covered bully in a playground. You perceive yourself the biggest and the strongest, so you go around demanding coin from all the other young laddies in exchange for not beating the snot out of them.
What you have failed to see is that, if the wee lads band together, they can take down even the biggest bully. But as much as I'd like to stick my sword through your lily-livers, that's not the honourable way to go about it either. We don't want to beat you; we just want you to leave. Completely. And without demanding our pots o' gold.
If you did that, every Irishman would dance a joyous jig. Because that is the honourable, manly thing to do. We Irish might even begin to regard you as less pansy-like.
Askthepizzaguy
05-14-2010, 22:57
The english diplomat almost smiled at what the Irishman had to say, but then his expression turned to sadness.
Such fighting spirit, young Irish. One thing the English have admired about the Irish for quite some time is your fighting spirit. It is a shame that bravery and a willingness to fight does not always lead to triumph, or England would have conquered all of France by now. Instead that same bravery and courage has put thousands of men in their early graves, leaving many children without their fathers.
I urge you to reconsider.
It is up to the Scottish King (http://www.mediafire.com/?0mdlofnzzzy) now.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2010, 03:24
Subbed for JHT, as per his instructions.
Norway is up.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ot1s3z
The save for England is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5236)
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2010, 13:35
Ireland is up.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rnqj6t
Diplomatic offers of peace extended to everyone, basically.
I'll play this later today or tomorrow morning. Busy atm.
The city of Derry is once more in its rightful hands! May the English be slain until they see sense!
It is now time for Wales (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5237) to take up the mantle and free their own people from tyranny!
johnhughthom
05-22-2010, 16:26
News slowly reached the other four Kings that young Alexander of Scotland had recovered from his illness. He was in the process of reading up on the diplomatic offers made during his period of infirmity, rest assured however, when Scotlands turn to take centre stage came he would be ready.
Re-uploaded save for Wales. Still can't fathom why the first one doesn't work for some people.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mar6yz
(OOC: Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?onyg23ygoyg))
johnhughthom
05-27-2010, 20:48
I'm not sure I did everything correctly. I loaded up the save, did my thing, ended the turn then quicksaved and sent YLC the link. I've never really played anything like this before and wanted to check I was playing properly.
also post the save file link here.
http://www.filefront.com/16567469/Quicksave.rar/
Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2010, 21:33
also post the save file link here.
Askthepizzaguy
06-01-2010, 04:53
YLC assured me he will work on his save very shortly. I give him 48 more hours and then I'll have to skip.
Which will be very hard since no one has sent me their passwords, including YLC. So, I am not sure how I am going to skip his turn.
I might have to dig out the old "reset password" command, which I am not even sure if it works or not.
phonicsmonkey
06-01-2010, 04:58
if your hotseat is admin-enabled you can log into the console and then type clear_password [faction]
hit escape twice on the pw screen and you'll see it has been cleared
@ ATPG
Great stuff PizzaGuy, always wanted to try hot seat stuff, so if there will be vacancy or a new hot seat, pm me, since I'm back here and ready to role ))
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2010, 21:21
I will advance the turn tonight if YLC does not. But I'm pretty sure he will. Either way I will ensure the game moves both his turn and my turn this round, in one swoop. So the game is not stagnant yet.
EDIT: cleared your password for you, YLC
Yes, finally - after a wait, here is the save (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=201&id=5247)
:bow:
Askthepizzaguy
06-08-2010, 03:58
Ireland is up. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/i9wpr7)
Announcement-
An English garrison in Derry, which was about to board ships that were directly adjacent to the town of Derry, was massacred by the Irish led by the so-called King Brian. These troops were flying a banner of peace, and the whelp Brian was informed that we were performing a staged retreat from the island. All they had to do was wait for us to leave.
Now, the Irish King expects us to make peace with him, after killing my men senselessly. :laugh4:
King William does not need nor expect any assistance, but he does ask that all other kings refrain from aiding or assisting the Irish rebels. This war will continue until the dishonorable "Brian" is killed in battle or hanged. After that, King William is not interested in holding Irish land and may speak to whatever fool replaces the rebel leader. Depending on how severely Brian has damaged our relations by then, there may even be reparations involved first. But for now, just the Irish leader's head will do.
Wales (http://www.sendspace.com/file/qy6nyf) may take the stage.
I always find it amusing the way the English like to spin their news.
I warned the English before I attacked them at Derry. In fact, I mentioned this right here, weeks before the English dotard of a king took notice. Then, I did hold the troops under ransom, as is the commonly accepted method of prison policy- however, the commanding officer of the English forces in Ireland [The AI] refused to pay the ransom, and as such we were forced to execute them.
The English are free to leave our isle if they do not wish to be killed. I gave them ample time to surrender all of their land over to me. Instead, they have decided to wait around to "strike a deal". Well, I'll give them one hell of a bargain! My offer still stands: depart our isle with your lives, or without them.
Currently, Athenry is under siege by a huge force that was waiting right next to the city, if you had only bothered to check the surrounding forests. After we take it, the rest of Ireland will follow.
From the Norse table, Count Masson stands.
"Your attitude is unbecoming for you King Brian. Your warning was worthless, and you apparently had no intention of letting them walk away - they could not leave until ships had arrived, and to do otherwise would have plunged the city into chaos! Your hate for the English crown would paint them as villains and thieves no matter the course of action, and you blame them all for the actions of a previous King, actions that were sanctioned by your people and by the church!"
"You sir, are a pretender to a throne that does not belong to you, and you lead men to die for nothing but your ill-gotten gain. You fight the will of the Church and God, and you fight against your own people! You put Irishmen to death just as much as English men when the gold did not flow into your pockets. You fight to establish the same Monarchy that you war against, even when for centuries Ireland has been ruled by Kings - yes, Kings, not a King."
"So silence your arrogant tone, before you let all know the shame of your actions."
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2010, 00:06
The Irish whelp's boasting is quite amusing to me actually. I can't wait to see him mark down the taking of Athenry as some glorious conquest, seeing it is a rickety wooden fort with no garrison in it.
From the Norse table, Count Masson stands.
"Your attitude is unbecoming for you King Brian. Your warning was worthless, and you apparently had no intention of letting them walk away - they could not leave until ships had arrived, and to do otherwise would have plunged the city into chaos! Your hate for the English crown would paint them as villains and thieves no matter the course of action, and you blame them all for the actions of a previous King, actions that were sanctioned by your people and by the church!"
"You sir, are a pretender to a throne that does not belong to you, and you lead men to die for nothing but your ill-gotten gain. You fight the will of the Church and God, and you fight against your own people! You put Irishmen to death just as much as English men when the gold did not flow into your pockets. You fight to establish the same Monarchy that you war against, even when for centuries Ireland has been ruled by Kings - yes, Kings, not a King."
"So silence your arrogant tone, before you let all know the shame of your actions."
You, sir, have even less right to speak in this Council than the English dog. You are an outright foreigner in our lands; I would not expect you to understand our ways, and I do not expect you to condone my actions. My Gaelic brothers will be much more sympathetic to my cause.
You, sir, have even less right to speak in this Council than the English dog. You are an outright foreigner in our lands; I would not expect you to understand our ways, and I do not expect you to condone my actions. My Gaelic brothers will be much more sympathetic to my cause.
What cause? Making yourself King of the Celts? Your current practices are against the Church, against the English Crown which was appointed to oversee your people, and against your own people.
It is you, who have no right to talk in this council, and especially since you have no true rebuttal to my arguments. Unlike you, I am a learned man, and have a proper head on my shoulders and do not speak of things I know nothing about. I suggest you cease opening your mouth and shoving your foot violently in it, lest you earn the nickname King Brainless of the tasty foot.
johnhughthom
06-09-2010, 05:36
The Scottish Emissary stands,
These are grim tidings from the emerald isle, King Alexander has watched developments there with great interest and supports his Celtic cousins in their desire to be free. I fear, however, news of such actions will leave him no choice but to refuse to offer any assistance. This is the work of pagans, not honest Christians, it is ironic that even the viking amongst us condemns such tactics. Surely that shows the gravity of the situation.
What cause? Making yourself King of the Celts? Your current practices are against the Church, against the English Crown which was appointed to oversee your people, and against your own people.
It is you, who have no right to talk in this council, and especially since you have no true rebuttal to my arguments. Unlike you, I am a learned man, and have a proper head on my shoulders and do not speak of things I know nothing about. I suggest you cease opening your mouth and shoving your foot violently in it, lest you earn the nickname King Brainless of the tasty foot.
Perhaps I will do just that.
I have no more words for you anyway, especially when you try to debase me with false notions of authority.
Perhaps I will do just that.
I have no more words for you anyway, especially when you try to debase me with false notions of authority.
Your foot must be rather clean, for I never once said I held authority - that would belong to the Church and the English Crown. I am simply stating facts dear King Brian.
Askthepizzaguy
06-13-2010, 03:41
The Scottish Emissary stands,
These are grim tidings from the emerald isle, King Alexander has watched developments there with great interest and supports his Celtic cousins in their desire to be free. I fear, however, news of such actions will leave him no choice but to refuse to offer any assistance. This is the work of pagans, not honest Christians, it is ironic that even the viking amongst us condemns such tactics. Surely that shows the gravity of the situation.
The English emissary stands
King William wanted this war to be over right from the start, and offered a pathway to peace which, admittedly, would have favored England's position at least as much as Ireland's. When our offer was rejected, we informed the Irish that we would execute a staged withdrawl from their island, starting with Derry. The ships were right outside the city, having only just enough time to move into position before the Irish attacked us.
We withdrew from Athenry as well, moving towards Cork. Our actions were quite evidently aimed toward peace. The English king has neither the time nor the desire to engage in foolishness on the Emerald isle. It is a foolish man that cannot even accept his OWN demands for peace.... getting everything he wants and more, which is a peaceful withdrawl at zero cost, if only patience had been applied. This war can end immediately, and peace can still be had, as I have said. It is simply that after the outrageous and foolhardy attack on our withdrawing forces, and the murder of the King's men, and the insane seige of their own Irish fort after English troops had withdrawn from it, I see King Brian as little more than a madman bent on carnage for its own sake.
Ireland stood to gain no less that four provinces for the price of nothing but peace and a little patience. Now they will face defeat at the hands of an English King who has run out of generosity. Put Brian on a boat, send it out to sea, and we will take care of the fool. Then we will withdraw in peace.... with all provinces of Ireland back under the rebel's control. I don't think any Kingdom here wishes to share these islands with a rogue and a brute. Perhaps there are others willing to claim the Irish throne.
Those are our present terms. The war could be "won" by the Irish rebels without further bloodshed, save the Irish King's own. A shame it had to even go that far.
On behalf of King William, I give our sincere thanks the Scots for remaining neutral in this matter.
johnhughthom
06-14-2010, 00:19
Norway's up.
http://www.filefront.com/16740411/Quicksave.rar
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2010, 19:55
Norway's up.
http://www.filefront.com/16740411/Quicksave.rar
Did you send YLC a private notification, John?
johnhughthom
06-19-2010, 20:00
Yep.
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2010, 20:06
Hmm. This is the second time I've had issues with YLC's turn.
I might need to replace him if he keeps this up. Unfortunately I'm just going to skip his turn as I gave him extra time last time.
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2010, 20:29
How long has this game had the option clicked for autoresolve all battles?
:shame:
Well that's a major disappointment. And I assume it is now too late to change that? :wall: I wouldn't know how to begin with.
There's some Irish goats in a forest I need to take care of and I wasn't willing to spare many troops to do it. Could be a second ambush behind it.
How long has this game had the option clicked for autoresolve all battles?
:shame:
Well that's a major disappointment. And I assume it is now too late to change that? :wall: I wouldn't know how to begin with.
There's some Irish goats in a forest I need to take care of and I wasn't willing to spare many troops to do it. Could be a second ambush behind it.
You didn't know?
I thought that was part of the rules. I've had to autoresolve all battles since the beginning...
Is it even possible to change it halfway through? I'd assumed the game started this way.
Askthepizzaguy
06-20-2010, 06:12
You didn't know?
I thought that was part of the rules. I've had to autoresolve all battles since the beginning...
Is it even possible to change it halfway through? I'd assumed the game started this way.
It isn't possible to change it and I wouldn't at this point, since you've had to autoresolve all battles so far.
I'm just very disappointed. :wall: I wanted a non-autoresolve game. Oh well....
TriforceV
06-23-2010, 11:26
What turn you all on?
And if you need a rep for Norway ill be back tonight..
TriforceV
06-26-2010, 23:21
Well I assume this game is dead ...
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2010, 23:37
No, it's not dead. I might need to replace YLC though. I also have to do my turn, and my apologies for being late. :wall:
Askthepizzaguy
06-28-2010, 23:58
Sorry for the delay. My sincerest apologies.
YLC are you still playing?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/48vp2d
Ireland is up
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f717f3
Wales is up.
TheFlax is Wales, right?
Sorry for the delay. My sincerest apologies.
YLC are you still playing?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/48vp2d
Ireland is up
Yessiree!
Scotland (http://www.mediafire.com/?bayo1nd4ym3)
johnhughthom
07-09-2010, 18:33
Gah, sorry, I'd forgotten all about this. I've uninstalled M2 as I thought it was dead and I'm having internet issues, I'm only getting 40k download speeds (for some reason I'm getting normal upload speed....) so redownloading is out until I get it sorted.
Askthepizzaguy
07-14-2010, 19:01
I think this game is dead. I'd still need to replace YLC, and I don't have one. And I dunno, the game isn't as interesting so far as I thought it would be. If it would go faster, maybe.
_Tristan_
07-15-2010, 10:14
I can fill up YLC's slot (or JHT's) if you'd want me... I've been looking for a game for some time... But if it's dead, it's dead...
Askthepizzaguy
07-21-2010, 01:00
I'd have to replace both JHT and YLC, and without being able to fight the battles, it's going to just get lame from this point on.
I am afraid this one seems to be a failure.
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