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Romaioktonoi AI destroyed by VH/M Roma campaign....what should I try next?
Yes, I'm willing to try playing as barbarians.
Cute Wolf
05-19-2010, 06:08
Sweboz! (but it wasn't a barbarian... :furious3:
Carthies.
Just beware the Yellow Death!:egypt:
Imperator Invictus
05-19-2010, 06:48
Greekish Barbarians :laugh4:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Who are the Greekish Barbarians ????????????????????
:laugh4:
Eastern Barbarians (pontus)????????
Pontus were Barbarians?????????
:laugh4:
:laugh4:
(try to read a bit, son)
Dont try to change his "A perfect Roman world" view of life, after all if people like him dont exist, who the hell would we "fight" against?
Imperator Invictus
05-19-2010, 07:16
Dont try to change his "A perfect Roman world" view of life, after all if people like him dont exist, who the hell would we "fight" against?
I think you're right J.R.M. those "Greekish and Pontic Barbarians" have their own charm
:laugh4:
but better for him to :book:
Macilrille
05-19-2010, 07:33
If he got Pwned as Roma with its fat treasury, what is the chance of succeeding your attempt as Sweboz?
Rome or Carties. Easiest campaigns, already told you that.
Who knows , maybe he just had bad luck (hard with romans, but possible).
Well, I don't mind having another go at Roma, this time with M/M instead of VH....
Mulceber
05-19-2010, 07:54
That's probably the best course - set the difficulty down a little bit, and, once you've conquered Italy, spend a good 10 years developing the economy and the infrastructure, rather than just going on to conquer more land. If you're going to conquer everything, you're going to need good infrastructure in Italy. -M
Jebivjetar
05-19-2010, 08:05
Play Carthage. Advances of Carthage:
1) Secured homelands, no one will attack you there
2) If you really like heavy infantry based armies, Carthage has her own hard core heavies, stronger than Roman ones (but more expensive)
3) Some of the finest cavalries of the known world: Iberian lancers (i call them Iberian cataphracts, they rock) + Sacred band cavalry!
4) Very good economy
5) The Barcids :knight:
You forgot the posibility to burn Roma, but i dont think Pikeman would like that, soooo..
Hey i got a better idea! Just play as Bartix.
Jebivjetar
05-19-2010, 08:11
You forgot the posibility to burn Roma.
No. 5 in my list ;-)
@ Mulceber
Yeah, I'll have a another go with M/M. VH RTW AI is a Romaioktonoi AI....
@JRM
:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:
No. 5 in my list ;-)
Daaaamnnn right.
HunGeneral
05-19-2010, 08:47
I'd s say Carthage - for the same reasons Jeivjetar mentioned.
Maion Maroneios
05-19-2010, 08:49
I'd go for the mighty Karkhedones.
Apázlinemjó
05-19-2010, 09:40
Go with Pontus VH/VH, the easiest campaign in EB.
Cute Wolf
05-19-2010, 09:58
Go with Pontus VH/VH, the easiest campaign in EB.
and watch mighty Arche panda pwn your FM quite easily
G. Septimus
05-19-2010, 10:20
Please do not call "The other" factions Barbarians, they are not, instead, they are civilized, and have their own policy.
and, maybe you'll be banned like Sata for actions further
Cute Wolf
05-19-2010, 10:34
no, if Satalexton knows about this, he will storm Japan and drag Pikemen out of his house.... (to got some beer)
G. Septimus
05-19-2010, 10:41
no, if Satalexton knows about this, he will storm Japan and drag Pikemen out of his house.... (to got some beer)
absolutely my friend,
or get his officer friends
and, use Carthage for ur next
THEY ARE :2thumbsup:
Who the heck is Satalexton? Another Romaioktono-barbarus?
HunGeneral
05-19-2010, 17:16
Who the heck is Satalexton? Another Romaioktono-barbarus?
For your information: he is the greatest of all Romaikotnoi and your quite lucky that he decided to retire for some time.
anubis88
05-19-2010, 17:28
How can you people go on about hating- or loving romans? Seriusly, how can you hate people that don't exist for 1500 years?
Skullheadhq
05-19-2010, 18:02
and your quite lucky that he decided to retire for some time.
lol retired
artavazd
05-19-2010, 18:07
How can you people go on about hating- or loving romans? Seriusly, how can you hate people that don't exist for 1500 years?
Their decendants exist. Their called ITALIANS from Rome. :)
Sweboz... there is no other faction worth a good campain... SWEBOZ! and send your warriors to burn Barbaropolis... 3 or 4 times... and about barbarians, you already played with them, and got smaked. why not playing something worth now?
Maion Maroneios
05-19-2010, 18:47
Their decendants exist. Their called ITALIANS from Rome. :)
Good one! And we Greeks are direct descendants of the ones that built the Parthenon.
Unintended BM
05-19-2010, 18:53
Gauls, Aedui are easier at the start. Those are always fun games. Plus, they probably have the best economy out of all of the barbarian peoples. They get paved roads and stuff. Their elites beat the crap out of just about anything. Crazy naked dudes and heavily armored swordsmen will easily conquer anything in Europe. Their reforms are really easy to get too. Just build a lot of markets and temples, then build up your population growth and expel some big cities, and you can get your best troops pretty quickly.
Play as Hayasdan:
1. Some of the worst infantry units in the world.
2. Poor economy.
3. Good cavalry, that you will not get until, maybe, 200 BC thanks to poor economy.
4. Arche Seleukeia has access to troops that are better than yours, and they will attack you as well.
It is still possible to win through, unless you dare to VH/VH once again.
VH AI has rabies, I'm not going to do it again.
Macilrille
05-19-2010, 19:41
For your information: he is the greatest of all Romaikotnoi and your quite lucky that he decided to retire for some time.
Tells you something of the format of Roman-haters does it not? I would probably nominate someone else, but that is because I look not at the magnitude of hatred, but on personality.
In any case. Pikeman is exhibiting traits that might develop into the antihesis of those and we want no haters of any faction around. It is silly!
Pike, please stop the flagrant propagation of one faction over the others. EB was made, and EB II is being made, to give all factions their due. No need for any strife between the lovers of all. I love the Romans, and the Sweboz, and I have had one of my funniest campaigns as Baktria, surprisingly so.
EB is about possibly altering history, thus showing the potential and greatness of all factions. Not about how one; Greek, Cartie, Roman, Gallic or Germanic is better than any others.
All factions are good, and all is good.
Now go play a Roman campaign, then a Carthie, then a Sweboz, and a Baktrian, and a Getai, and a Macedonian, and... and... and...
And what you will see is they all have strengths and weaknesses. EB is also about learning, so learn their greatness, their culture, their history...
And, have fun doing so.
Grade_A_Beef
05-19-2010, 19:53
You might wanna try the Casse, as you'll never be harassed and can get a booming economy without even trying. Those tin mines and ports in Britain can easily net you 60k per turn (and more) once you conquer the Isles and disband everything. You can visit the mainland whenever you want but the biggest kicker is that you get the best FM training facility in the game.
Watch out though, as if you're going in after you've upgraded to Time of Soldiers your kin down in Gaul will rip you to shreds with their Neitos. I've only played Casse once and I don't think they have an effective answer to neitos....other than Milnaht and them two handers (both of which have limited recruitment areas.) You'll also need to watch out for Gaesatae if the Gauls are actually on top of their game and have MICs for that (unlikely given that the Aedui and Arverni are usually lame ducks all the way till the end of the game.)
What you REALLY need to watch out for however are Leunce Epos.
artavazd
05-19-2010, 20:01
Play as Hayasdan:
1. Some of the worst infantry units in the world.2. Poor economy.
3. Good cavalry, that you will not get until, maybe, 200 BC thanks to poor economy.
4. Arche Seleukeia has access to troops that are better than yours, and they will attack you as well.
It is still possible to win through, unless you dare to VH/VH once again.
Armenian medium sword infantry, are solid infantry units, on par with principes. Armenian noble infantry, are an elite unite that are on par with other elite unites. This faction is far from having "the worst infantry units in the world."
I would strongly recommend playing the Getai/Dacians. Great starting position and plenty of fun-to-use units. They aren't particularly challenging to play as, though.
Macilrille
05-19-2010, 20:17
Wow! Somebody cast a necromancy spell and got FL back ;-) WB
Getai's economy is not too great, consider that he got kicked as Rome. For an experienced player Getai is easy and fun, for a newcomer, any faction whose economy starts off by going - is not so fun.
Good one! And we Greeks are direct descendants of the ones that built the Parthenon.
LOL
For your information: he is the greatest of all Romaikotnoi.
Well, even though Sata´s might and authorithy are unquestionable, i believe Maion is the greatest of all Romaioktonoi.
Thats just a matter of oppinion. Pikeman is in the way to becoming the "Satalexton" of the Roman lovers, but maybe he can change that?
Play as Hayasdan:
1. Some of the worst infantry units in the world.
2. Poor economy.
3. Good cavalry, that you will not get until, maybe, 200 BC thanks to poor economy.
4. Arche Seleukeia has access to troops that are better than yours, and they will attack you as well.
It is still possible to win through, unless you dare to VH/VH once again.
I'd suggest Hayasdan as well, but for basically exactly the opposite reasons. :)
The economy I've found is rather good, with lots of provinces having access to good mines. The infantry is not that bad, the basic Caucasian Spearmen is a better version of the Pantodapoi, Persian Hoplites are very decent mobile line infantry, and the caucasian archers are not too bad. Can't speak for the cavalry, as I have a houserule not to use them.
Personally I've found the medium infantry pretty bad, not sure I'd want to compare them to principes (worse swords, worse defence, worse formation, much more expensive etc). The noble infantry is worth it's cost, though.
Zradha Pahlavan
05-19-2010, 21:09
Saba isn't in the options? What is wrong with the Saba? Rrrrrrr...
Parthia is fun if you can get used to the horse-archer management, but Epeiros isn't bad either.
Macilrille
05-19-2010, 21:16
Guys, he is a Newcomer, Haysdan is the only campaign I have ever had to restart and Saba is the only one Fluvius has. Those two and Pontos are perhaps the most difficult ones and you guys ask a guy who got kicked in the much- much easier Roman campaign to try it...
Not very fair on him. Let him get some experience first, we all had to in order to suceed in the difficult factions.
athanaric
05-19-2010, 21:19
If he got Pwned as Roma with its fat treasury, what is the chance of succeeding your attempt as Sweboz?
He could play isolationist for about 40 game years, seeing as the AI factions are at some distance and the foolish Gauls are too occupied with destroying each other. This will give him some time to grab Eleutheroi settlements and learn basic EB economy (and I mean basic, because the Suebi got little else).
Plus, there are several good guides available for this faction. One of which just so happens to be linked in my sig... [/shameless self-promotion].
e: voted for Getai though as they are easier.
Macilrille
05-19-2010, 21:23
I believe the Sweboz are too difficult as well, it will merely put him off EB.
athanaric
05-19-2010, 21:26
Oh, I started off with KH and Swêboz, both of which are a little tricky at the start. I read some gameplay guides beforehand and never lost a campaign (gave some up though because of boredom, annoyance, CTD, or early strategic mistakes that made the campaign unnecessarily difficult).
Zradha Pahlavan
05-19-2010, 21:31
Well I did suggest Epeiros, they have it pretty good. Just let the KH and Macedon fight it out and build up some money, then beat the stuffing out of them. Once you've got Greece you can go anywhere and you'll be rich for a long time. Plus you get some elephants to play with.
Play Roma again, and learn to conquer those barbarians this time (but perhaps you don't want to call the greeks as barbarians because we appreciate their culture much, all greeks are civilized and good peoples, except macedonians of course)
LOL
Well, even though Sata´s might and authorithy are unquestionable, i believe Maion is the greatest of all Romaioktonoi.
Thats just a matter of oppinion. Pikeman is in the way to becoming the "Satalexton" of the Roman lovers, but maybe he can change that?
That's precisely why he ain't getting in the romans group
Play Roma again, and learn to conquer those barbarians this time (but perhaps you don't want to call the greeks as barbarians because we appreciate their culture much, all greeks are civilized and good peoples, except macedonians of course)
We ALL hate macedonia, that's why we play Hegemony: Philip of Macedon (I still don't like em, stupid slavs:clown:)
Anyway.
Play as Saka, let him :daisy: with phalanx or two for a while, see if there's any skill amongst that pike
Flourishing economy, elite infantry, poor cavalry tho, enormous wall defences, enormous trade routes, mighty alliances and feeble enemies:clown:
Would you believe that i have 20K and can beat the :daisy: out of everyone in MY Saka campaign (No cheats were used during this, not even FD) :grin:
~Jirisys (Original, by George Carlin, modified for EB purposes)
gamegeek2
05-20-2010, 05:43
Good one! And we Greeks are direct descendants of the ones that built the Parthenon.
And we Americans are descended from everyone!
And we Americans are descended from everyone!
including the Martians? :clown:
artavazd
05-20-2010, 06:54
including the Martians? :clown:
ESPECIALY the Martians :))
Maion Maroneios
05-20-2010, 09:21
Armenian medium sword infantry, are solid infantry units, on par with principes. Armenian noble infantry, are an elite unite that are on par with other elite unites. This faction is far from having "the worst infantry units in the world."
These guys are indeed a pain in the rear. I encountered a small Hai army with a couple of these guys, and they gave me a nasty surprise.
Well I did suggest Epeiros, they have it pretty good. Just let the KH and Macedon fight it out and build up some money, then beat the stuffing out of them. Once you've got Greece you can go anywhere and you'll be rich for a long time. Plus you get some elephants to play with.
Actually, just waiting for Makedonia and the southern Hellenes to fight it out will result in an economic crisis of the likes Greece faces today. The best thing you can do with Epeiros, is blitz Greece from the start to save your rapidly failing economy.
Yea, specially Pella´s mines are pretty awesome. Then when Greece is secure and all peacefull under Pyrrhus might, its time to take Dalminion (more mines), and then to Italy and Sicily. At least thats how i like it.
Maion Maroneios
05-20-2010, 14:25
Yea, specially Pella´s mines are pretty awesome. Then when Greece is secure and all peacefull under Pyrrhus might, its time to take Dalminion (more mines), and then to Italy and Sicily. At least thats how i like it.
Ditto.
Andy1984
05-20-2010, 14:46
Carthage would be an obvious choice:
- most of your provinces are secure, as long as you keep the Ptolemaioi at bay (which shouldn't be that hard)
- a really strong economy thanks to naval trade and the possibility to expand your economy vastly by conquering the iberian peninsula
- syntagmaphalanx :)
- a wide selection of both heavy cavalry and heavy infantry: learn to use your cavalry.
- elephants :)
- the possibility to keep everyone at bay with a fleet (which is hard as a nomad or a northern barbarian)
Another reasonable choice would be another attempt at the Romani, given that you want to try again off course.
Zradha Pahlavan
05-20-2010, 16:36
Actually, just waiting for Makedonia and the southern Hellenes to fight it out will result in an economic crisis of the likes Greece faces today. The best thing you can do with Epeiros, is blitz Greece from the start to save your rapidly failing economy.
Not so, taking some of the northern Eleutheroi towns will allow you to gain some cash. Pella should be taken at the start, but in my experience the southern Greek towns are always much too well defended for a direct attack early on.
Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
05-20-2010, 16:55
Epiros FTW. You get to spam Phalangitai Deuteroi and Toxotai. When funds are available, you get to spam Elephantikoi. I made a post a while ago when i beat my Epiros campaign and had enough money to screw around with a full stack of Elephants. It was hilarious to smash full stacks of gold chevrons with it.
Overall, though, Epiros is strong enough to win. Take Pella first round and stalemate the Maks. Put all other troops across to Taras and fight the Romans until you take Rome. Once that's finished, porcupine in Italy and re-focus taking Hellas. Kill all the pretended Greeks and then strengthen against the Getai, taking whatever territories you need from them. Then, march on Anatolia and roll across with full stacks. Fortify it all when you can, and swing south to sack every single Egyptian city in the holy land and along the nile. This will nerf the yellow death. Destroy every single improvement, massacre the people, pillage all the wonders (Including the Jewish Temple AND Alexander's Tomb) for beaucoup bucks, and then drop the taxes to low and evacuate. They'll rebel, but the people will be pissed when the AI raises the taxes. Don't try to keep the territories. Once you annihilate the yellow death, your other cities should be well up to par and you can smash east into the Seleucids, if they're even still alive.
G/L and good winning!
Zradha Pahlavan
05-20-2010, 17:22
What's also fun is a naval invasion of Carthage. Indian elephants versus African elephants is an interesting contest.
"Greekish Barbarians" are clearly Epeirotes.
Maion Maroneios
05-20-2010, 19:02
"Greekish Barbarians" are clearly Epeirotes.
Or Makedones.
Macilrille
05-20-2010, 19:56
Or possibly Greeks had you asked the Persians. The definition of Barbarian seems to move outwards as the former barbarians gets civilised.
Notice how barbarians just across the border from civilisation combine some civilisation and native vigour to conquer and integrate their neighbours and old civilisations.
Macs
Romans
Germanic Tribes (up to and including Vikings)
Huns
Normans
Mongols?
Gauls, a might-have-been, but the Roman Republic was still full of vitality then...
Quite funny eh...
Fluvius Camillus
05-20-2010, 22:34
???
You know... the pokemen, the pink one, don't you remember 4th grade?:clown:
It is the shortened version of idemdito, in this case Maion used it to agree with someone.
~Fluvius
I didnt have a childhood! i was busy being a slave... yea yea now i remember that pink piece of something, ahhhh the old good days with no problems and preocupations. I miss them.
Wow! Somebody cast a necromancy spell and got FL back ;-) WB
Getai's economy is not too great, consider that he got kicked as Rome. For an experienced player Getai is easy and fun, for a newcomer, any faction whose economy starts off by going - is not so fun.
:bow:
Yes, the Getai do go into the red immediately after starting, but with a bit of careful management (and some patience), the economic situation is quite salvageable. I just might write a small guide with some financial tips with regards to the Getai for players new to EB. I too made several major errors in my first playthrough.
In the meantime, pikeman, consider glancing through this post: Getai Roster (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?121382-Which-Faction-Should-I-Play-as-Next&p=2333793&viewfull=1#post2333793)
The wondrous variety of Getic units may just be the thing to convince you. :beam:
Maion Maroneios
05-21-2010, 06:13
???
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plutoboyz
05-23-2010, 02:46
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/faction_banner_18sak.jpg
feel the greatness of mobile forces...
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/faction_banner_18sak.jpg
feel the greatness of mobile forces...
Play as Saka, let him :daisy: with phalanx or two for a while, see if there's any skill amongst that pike
Flourishing economy, elite infantry, poor cavalry tho, enormous wall defences, enormous trade routes, mighty alliances and feeble enemies:clown:
Would you believe that i have 20K and can beat the :daisy: out of everyone in MY Saka campaign (No cheats were used during this, not even FD) :grin:
~Jirisys (Original, by George Carlin, modified for EB purposes)
FTW!:grin:
~Jirisys (Gundi ni-Palta!!!! (i'm kidding, use Early saka nobles))
Andy1984
05-23-2010, 12:25
FTW!:grin:
~Jirisys (Gundi ni-Palta!!!! (i'm kidding, use Early saka nobles))
With all due respect for the Sakae - who were undoubtly given a wonderful unit roster - I don't think it's a good idea to advice the Sakae to someone who managed to screw up a Romani campaign. The Sakae are economically one of the hardest factions: they go deep into the red, they don't have the massive population of several other factions, there armies are too small and can't be replenished, you can't build roads and have no trade income at the start of the game. About mines: you have none apart the ones you conquer.
On the battlefield the Sakae are close to invincible if you know how to command armoured horse archers. If you don't, you'll just screw up horribly... taking losses in units you can't replenish or even worse: "wait until your economy allows for a decent army", while facing a massive Seleucid empire. There are just too many possible mistakes one can make as the Sakae, like declaring war upon Pahlava too soon, expanding to the north, not making sure you don't get yourself in a three-frontier-war,... This pretty much sounds like a certain death to me, as well as to several other players on these boards.
I'm sorry but I just can't agree with several of the suggestions that arouse from faction-loving rather than from common sense. Please, give Pikeman the chance to gain some experience with EB before you send him into the steppes.
Mulceber
05-23-2010, 13:27
Agreed. I really think there are only four appropriate choices until Pikeman has a bit more experience: Romani, Qarthadastim, Makedonia or Ptolemaioi. All the rest are too hard. Even Makedonia might be pushing it a bit, as their starting position is rather challenging. Now that you've conquered Roma as the Qarthadastim, Pikeman, my advice is to go back and try the Romani again. But that's just my opinion as a Romaiophilos advising another Romaiophilos. -M
athanaric
05-23-2010, 14:46
you can't build roads and have no trade income at the start of the game. About mines: you have none apart the ones you conquer.
You can build roads - in Pastoralist or Allied provinces. You can also build level 1 mines (Pata Tralo), regardless of government type. Mines for Saka were introduced with 1.1, I believe.
However you are right about their economy in general. They have the second worst economy in the game (after Sauromatae), and can be a tough challenge even in mid-campaign, because it's hard to pacify large settlements with a foreign culture. This makes them a poor choice for a beginner.
Next to Romani, Ptolies, or Carthage, I'd actually recommend the KH. They have one or two tough spots at the beginning, but you always have Rhodes as a last resort and relatively secure place in case things go really wrong. And Krete, which isn't that hard to conquer. Both islands provide good trade income (especially Rhodos, with the huge port) and excellent missile troops.
Mulceber
05-23-2010, 15:10
True, although part of problem the KH runs into is that they have to conquer a lot of very disparate provinces and thus find themselves needing a full stack for like half their provinces. -M
Andy1984
05-23-2010, 16:13
You can build roads - in Pastoralist or Allied provinces. You can also build level 1 mines (Pata Tralo), regardless of government type. Mines for Saka were introduced with 1.1, I believe.
I should have made myself more clear: As the Saka Rauka, I have no money in the early game to construct roads or mines, thereby lacking both profitable investment opportunities (mines) and the roads that would allow my all-cavalry-army to cover a greater area, which in turn forces me to limit my expansions.
kind regards,
Andy
Unintended BM
05-23-2010, 17:48
Sweboz isn't too bad at the start either. You're surrounded by rebel settlements and all you really need to take them is a few bodyguard units. Their economy sucks, but once you get going, it isn't bad at all.
With all due respect for the Sakae - who were undoubtly given a wonderful unit roster - I don't think it's a good idea to advice the Sakae to someone who managed to screw up a Romani campaign. The Sakae are economically one of the hardest factions: they go deep into the red, they don't have the massive population of several other factions, there armies are too small and can't be replenished, you can't build roads and have no trade income at the start of the game. About mines: you have none apart the ones you conquer.
On the battlefield the Sakae are close to invincible if you know how to command armoured horse archers. If you don't, you'll just screw up horribly... taking losses in units you can't replenish or even worse: "wait until your economy allows for a decent army", while facing a massive Seleucid empire. There are just too many possible mistakes one can make as the Sakae, like declaring war upon Pahlava too soon, expanding to the north, not making sure you don't get yourself in a three-frontier-war,... This pretty much sounds like a certain death to me, as well as to several other players on these boards.
I'm sorry but I just can't agree with several of the suggestions that arouse from faction-loving rather than from common sense. Please, give Pikeman the chance to gain some experience with EB before you send him into the steppes.
Play as Saka, let him :daisy: with phalanx or two for a while, see if there's any skill amongst that pike
Flourishing economy, elite infantry, poor cavalry tho, enormous wall defences, enormous trade routes, mighty alliances and feeble enemies:clown:
Would you believe that i have 20K and can beat the :daisy: out of everyone in MY Saka campaign (No cheats were used during this, not even FD) :grin:
~Jirisys (Original, by George Carlin, modified for EB purposes)
That's something called irony
~Jirisys (loved by Ludens <--- see? another irony (or complete lie))
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