So I Was Shooting Some Guns..... [Archive]

Strike For The South

05-19-2010, 15:17

So I was shooting some guns. We had

3 pump action 12 guage shotguns
1 semi automatic 12 guage shotgun
1 AR-15 rifle
1 AK-74 rifle
1 .40 caliber pistol
1 .45 caliber pistol

It was allot of fun an it was the first time I had shot either rifle.

I tell you that story to tell you this story

On our way back my buddy gets pulled over. Now all the shotguns and rifle were in the bed of the truck BUT the pistols were in the pouches behind the front seats

Now mind you there are 4 of us so me and my buddy are 4 inches away from these guns

So the officer comes up to the window and my friend per protcol says "Officer for bother of our safties I just want you to know that I have a pistol in each of my seat pouches"

The officer then says "Well gentleman this isn't how we do things"

At this point me and my buddy in the back both have our hands on our heads.

Here's where it gets werid

Instead of making the driver turn the car off and make us all get out of the car. The officer allows the truck to keep running and he allows all the passangers to stay in the car

There are two (for all he knows) loaded pistols inches away from 3 men who may have warrants (he didnt run on liscences) and he lets us stay in the car.

Oh and did I mention all the driver got was a WARNING for speeding

Now this is the first time Ive been pulled over with guns so IDK what protocol is but something tells me this wasnt it

PanzerJaeger

05-19-2010, 15:34

Kadagar_AV

05-19-2010, 15:36

Strike For The South

05-19-2010, 15:37

Why would having guns in the car lead him to assume that you are criminals, especially when your friend let him know ahead of time?

I was taught to give an officer my carry license along with my driver's license when pulled over for a traffic citation. I've only been pulled over once while carrying, and the officer thanked me for the head's up and did not ask to see the weapon or for me to get out of the car. (I also just got a warning :grin:)

We're not living in a police state (yet). Exercising a basic constitutional right should not require you to go through extra hassle from the police during a minor traffic stop.

True but I thought the guns were supposed to be out of sight or some such.

Not to mention I've never really handeled pistols I thought there were different rules with them

Not to mention he didnt have a carry liscence nor was he asked to show one (You are talking a C&C right?)

Not to mention I dont think the cop handled it the right way

Not to mention I hit two skeet with one shot

PanzerJaeger

05-19-2010, 15:50

True but I thought the guns were supposed to be out of sight or some such.

Not to mention I've never really handeled pistols I thought there were different rules with them

Not to mention he didnt have a carry liscence nor was he asked to show one (You are talking a C&C right?)

Not to mention I dont think the cop handled it the right way

Not to mention I hit two skeet with one shot

Well, transporting weapons is different than carrying. Showing a carry license is just a widely accepted way of letting law enforcement know a person is armed without any awkward (and potentially misunderstood) language. You should educate yourself on your local laws if you intend on making shooting a hobby, but as far as I know you can transport weapons without a license in most states and certainly in the South. For example, not everyone who goes to the range to practice long range competitive marksmanship has or wants a carry license for self defense.

How would you have liked to cop to handle it? A big part of being a police officer is situational judgment. He obviously and correctly judged you not to be a threat. (I don't think most criminals would announce the fact that they have weapons in the vehicle.) Would you have liked him to assume criminal or malicious intent simply for weapons possession? :inquisitive:

Congrats on the shot, by the way. I've been skeet shooting for years and have yet to do that.

Strike For The South

05-19-2010, 16:02

4 people, white (I assume?), driving a bit to fast, acting with respect, at once admitting to having fire arms for safety of themselves and officer...

What did you expect? To be forced to lay spread eagle with a helicopter hovering above till the reinforcements from the national guard made it there?

2 of us were white 2 of us including whom the guns were owned by were hispanic

Did you feel like a man?

I wake up every morning and feel like a man. Thanks for asking Sven

Well, transporting weapons is different than carrying. Showing a carry license is just a widely accepted way of letting law enforcement know a person is armed without any awkward (and potentially misunderstood) language. You should educate yourself on your local laws if you intend on making shooting a hobby, but as far as I know you can transport weapons without a license in most states and certainly in the South. For example, not everyone who goes to the range to practice long range competitive marksmanship has or wants a carry license for self defense.

How would you have liked to cop to handle it? A big part of being a police officer is situational judgment. He obviously and correctly judged you not to be a threat. (I don't think most criminals would announce the fact that they have weapons in the vehicle.) Would you have liked him to assume criminal or malicious intent simply for weapons possession? :inquisitive:

No I just figured he would err on the side of caution. I don't shoot much and have never been pulled over with weapons I was just wondering what the protocol was, guess it wasnt to out of the ordinary

Not to mention I'm generally with older people when I go. I guess now I should probably edumacate my self

Congrats on the shot, by the way. I've been skeet shooting for years and have yet to do that.

Better lucky than good my friend

Cute Wolf

05-19-2010, 16:04

well, you are lucky then, or your friends may have some kinda baby face, and could got easy trust?

I have some airgun, and know how it feels to carry the real gun when got some kinda conscript training, but still wonder, what is the difference between guns and pistols, except the concealment and firepower?

Vladimir

05-19-2010, 16:05

You were in Texas, you immediately announced there were weapons in the car, and you had your hands on your head. :shrug:

drone

05-19-2010, 16:10

Telling the officer right off the bat was definitely the right thing to do, it lets him know the situation, lets him know you aren't bushwhacking him, and keeps him from jumping to conclusions if he spots the pistols during the stop. He probably saw the long guns in the bed anyway, and put 2 and 2 together.

Without a CCP in Virginia, you have to have the firearm in a locked closed container (usually the trunk) and unloaded. Never really thought about it before, but a pickup is not ideal for this. Many people get the CCP just so they don't have to worry about this. Not sure what the rules are in the Republic.

Hosakawa Tito

05-19-2010, 17:53

You were in Texas, you immediately announced there were weapons in the car, and you had your hands on your head. :shrug:
For any traffic stop, whether firearms are suspected to be present or not, police like to see your hands visible. Putting your hands on your head is a bit dramatic, and I'm sure the cop had a chuckle when he told the story back at the station. However, reaching/rifling around under the seat or the like will definitely put the cop on high alert. Complacency can get a traffic cop dead.

Telling the officer right off the bat was definitely the right thing to do, it lets him know the situation, lets him know you aren't bushwhacking him, and keeps him from jumping to conclusions if he spots the pistols during the stop. He probably saw the long guns in the bed anyway, and put 2 and 2 together.

Without a CCP in Virginia, you have to have the firearm in a locked closed container (usually the trunk) and unloaded. Never really thought about it before, but a pickup is not ideal for this. Many people get the CCP just so they don't have to worry about this. Not sure what the rules are in the Republic.

I agree, announcing there were handguns in the seat pouches out of sight was the right thing to do. State laws vary for transporting firearms but no state allows transporting of loaded firearms that I'm aware of. States that require pistol permits would have definitely had the cop checking for that, but Texas doesn't require a pistol permit. If it was hunting season they might check to see if the guns are loaded, but I think the cop read the situation correctly, 4 young men out target shooting.

I never shot an AK, that must have been fun. Notice the recoil difference between that and the AR15 ?

Kadagar_AV

05-19-2010, 18:17

For any traffic stop, whether firearms are suspected to be present or not, police like to see your hands visible. Putting your hands on your head is a bit dramatic, and I'm sure the cop had a chuckle when he told the story back at the station. However, reaching/rifling around under the seat or the like will definitely put the cop on high alert. Complacency can get a traffic cop dead.

I agree, announcing there were handguns in the seat pouches out of sight was the right thing to do. State laws vary for transporting firearms but no state allows transporting of loaded firearms that I'm aware of. States that require pistol permits would have definitely had the cop checking for that, but Texas doesn't require a pistol permit. If it was hunting season they might check to see if the guns are loaded, but I think the cop read the situation correctly, 4 young men out target shooting.

I never shot an AK, that must have been fun. Notice the recoil difference between that and the AR15 ?

Hell yeah, AR15 feels like a pebble gun in comparison.

Strike for the South>>> Ok so some in the car was mexican... I didn't really want to make it a race issue, and it was rather clumsily stated of me. I rather meant "you probably looked and acted like well behaved citizens".

I think the cops attitude would have been different if it was 4 black guys in the car, hard rap music pumping on the stereo and crack smoke streaming out the window as it was rolled down. Get my point? *and again, not really a race issue, 4 black guys in ordered clothes who behaved well should of course be treated the same as you guys*

Reenk Roink

05-19-2010, 18:20

You're white... :idea:

Kadagar_AV

05-19-2010, 18:28

You're white... :idea:

Almost overly so.

spmetla

05-19-2010, 19:08

You're lucky, my brother was returning from hunting and pulled over for speeding as well, with his buddies in the truck. The rifles were in the back and the pistols under the seat but all the ammo was in the back too. My brother also fessed up to the weapons and their location right away but this caused the officer to have everyone get out of the car, put my brother on the hood, searched him, arrested him and confiscated all the pistols for failure to keep, ( pistols need to be out of reach of any passengers and in a lockable container so as to make drive-bys less easy to do).

Thankfully the judge ruled in my brother's favor that the officer didn't have the right to do what he did. Needless to say having him call from the police station needing to be bailed out as well as have his car picked up from the side of the road got him in A LOT of trouble with pop.

But for Kadagar's theory well it was three occupants two white and one hapa-haole (white/hawaiian). The truck was a beat-up 80's 4-runner painted camouflage, and my brother wears shirts with the sleeves torn off. He was to the point and says he was polite but i wasn't there so I can't testify to that (experience says he was probably polite but agitated sounding).

Strike For The South

05-19-2010, 19:52

Almost overly so.

You're white... :idea:

Yes and? I never brought up race Kadgar you did, despite claims you want to keep it out of the thread.

Are you saying I as a white man couldn't have just as eaisly grabbed that pistol and blown the cops head all the way to Dallas?

I figured the cop would be allot more strict with us and thought it was odd that he wasnt so I started the thread.

I realize jetsetting across all those dangerous European and North American countries teaching rich people how not to fall down on skis has made you an expert on how an American police officer is supposed to react with guns in a car but if you could please expand on your post and teach me your ways it would be much apperciated because clearly you are king dick and around you I need to sit down to pee

You're lucky, my brother was returning from hunting and pulled over for speeding as well, with his buddies in the truck. The rifles were in the back and the pistols under the seat but all the ammo was in the back too. My brother also fessed up to the weapons and their location right away but this caused the officer to have everyone get out of the car, put my brother on the hood, searched him, arrested him and confiscated all the pistols for failure to keep, ( pistols need to be out of reach of any passengers and in a lockable container so as to make drive-bys less easy to do).
).

I figured something like this would've happened. I was just surprised that the officer didnt err on the side of caution.

Kadagar_AV

05-19-2010, 20:05

SFTS, chill, my comment wasnt meant as insulting and should be seen as a good humored jest :)

I might have failed at it, but that was my intention...

I think I made myself clear that race wasnt my point. However, I assume you acted well mannered and respectful towards the officer, and that would explain his attitude towards you (well mannered and respectful in return!).

Was he to relaxed... Not really.

You know, most people they stop are just the average joe, such as you or me. The odds of someone being polite and respectful and then all of a sudden whip up a gun and shoot you is slim. And also, if you start treating everyone like a suspect you will create more problems than you prevent.

Psychopaths aside, it is not that hard to read a situation such as the one you were in, and the cop was probably experienced.

Nice to see stuff like this as compared to the "police abuse thread".

Hosakawa Tito

05-19-2010, 20:55

Here you go Strike, get edjumacated. Firearms Laws for Texas. (http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/TXSL.pdf)

Centurion1

05-20-2010, 00:06

lets ask the real question here. you were shooting a pump action and a semi auto!

a real man uses an over and under and a side by side for his skeet shooting.

by the way does anyone here bird hunt (quail, grouse, pheasant, woodcock)?

A Nerd

05-20-2010, 01:00

I wouldn't mind hunting game with the AR-15! Handsome weapon.

Edit: Millitary version.

PanzerJaeger

05-20-2010, 02:26

by the way does anyone here bird hunt (quail, grouse, pheasant, woodcock)?

Yep, my favorite type of hunting by far.

I wouldn't mind hunting game with the AR-15! Handsome weapon.

Edit: Millitary version.

Well, the only real difference between the M-16 and the AR-15 is the ability to use automatic or burst depending on the age of the M-16. Any rate of fire above semi-automatic is illegal anyway.

And you are not the only one. In the past almost no one hunted with semi-automatic rifles, but these days hunting with AR type weapons is all the rage.

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/panzerjaeger/picture-7-15.png

Centurion1

05-20-2010, 04:01

You use a dog we have an English setter lovely hunter and a great family dog.

Fragony

05-20-2010, 08:24

I want to play as well, silly gun laws here. I can't even have antiques. As if that stops me HA love antiqui ties

Skullheadhq

05-20-2010, 14:57

I want to play as well, silly gun laws here. I can't even have antiques. As if that stops me HA love antiqui ties

You'll get arrested in the Netherlands for having a REPLICA gun that looks like a real one, damn hippies! Still, replicas are legal in all other European country, so everyone who's interested gets it there anyway, same goes for some kinds of fireworks.

PanzerJaeger

05-21-2010, 08:01

You use a dog we have an English setter lovely hunter and a great family dog.

Yes, we hunt over Brittany Spaniels. There's very little cooler than watching a dog work.

I want to play as well, silly gun laws here. I can't even have antiques. As if that stops me HA love antiqui ties

Not even replicas? Great place, Holland, but I couldn't live there!

Fragony

05-21-2010, 09:00

Replica's are banned, it's possible to legally own a semi-automatic but it's a pain to get a permit.

Centurion1

05-21-2010, 12:20

Oh really brittany's? Lovely dogs though the ones I know are a bit highstrung of course all I personally know are setters. Points and retrieves gotta love her

Panzer what do you get in tennesse we have quail (bobwhite) woodcock and grouse. We go to montana when we hanker for some pheasant.

Strike you better birdhunt the thought of a texan wasting those beautiful plains would kill me

PanzerJaeger

05-21-2010, 17:52

Panzer what do you get in tennesse we have quail (bobwhite) woodcock and grouse. We go to montana when we hanker for some pheasant.

Quail naturally, but they've almost been driven completely out of the area. I usually hunt at a place in Alabama that breeds their own quail, chucker, and pheasant. Nothing beats the taste of upland game, either.

Skullheadhq

05-21-2010, 19:14

Replica's are banned, it's possible to legally own a semi-automatic.

Because everyone knows replicas are FAR more dangerous then semi-automatic rifle. I hate the Dutch 'we know what's good for you' mentality.

Kadagar_AV

05-21-2010, 19:21

Because everyone knows replicas are FAR more dangerous then semi-automatic rifle. I hate the Dutch 'we know what's good for you' mentality.

If you have a gun to your head, do you check it is a real gun? If not, I guess you have your answer as to why replicas are banned, while you can still get a real rifle (with great effort and very much under control).

Seems logical to me, no?

Centurion1

05-21-2010, 20:48

Same here getting one quail is a good day

spmetla

05-22-2010, 01:34

If you have a gun to your head, do you check it is a real gun? If not, I guess you have your answer as to why replicas are banned, while you can still get a real rifle (with great effort and very much under control).

Seems logical to me, no?

Not to mention that people trying to use old black powder muskets and so on have a tendancy to hurt themselves (even those trained in black powder have accidents) while self contained cartridges are safer.

Fragony

05-22-2010, 07:32

Because everyone knows replicas are FAR more dangerous then semi-automatic rifle. I hate the Dutch 'we know what's good for you' mentality.

There is something to say for banning replica's, guns are dangerous in the wrong hands and they look a little bit too real for comfort. But a few muskets, only an idiot would take a shot with these they are 300 years old. Nono can't have them. Police is going to be very angry if they come here.

edit: LOL people still shoot them? These things are expensive youknow

Centurion1

05-22-2010, 13:54

No frag they make modern day blackpowder rifles still. I have hunted with one before they have a bit of a kick there are seasons just for them

Fragony

05-23-2010, 07:47

Bit of a kick, I believe you, looks even meaner than a Barret-round http://www.corbins.com/images/gatl-7a.jpg

Husar

05-23-2010, 11:39

That seems to be a 30mm round or so, hardly from something you hold with your hands when you fire it. :inquisitive:

spmetla

05-25-2010, 05:06

My replica muzzle loader is .58 caliber which was about average for it's target period. Guess the idea was if you're only firing a shot every minute or so it better do something worth all the time loading.

Vladimir

05-25-2010, 17:23

Modern muzzle loaders are very nice. Hunting seasons and accessories make them popular weapons. I could never get over the smell or the mess.

Kadagar_AV

05-26-2010, 01:24

If we talk size of ammo, I most def miss my BABY:

http://www.soldf.com/ag90.html

50cal sniper rifle... Shoots straight through a truck.

With cheating I did 27p at 2km.
Without cheating I did 35p at 1,5km (once only).
If not hung over I did 45+ at anything under 1km.

Beskar

05-26-2010, 02:08

Well, the only real difference between the M-16 and the AR-15 is the ability to use automatic or burst depending on the age of the M-16. Any rate of fire above semi-automatic is illegal anyway.

Why are they restricting your second amendment rights?

Centurion1

05-26-2010, 02:23

They are communists cmon beskar you know that

PanzerJaeger

05-26-2010, 05:30

Why are they restricting your second amendment rights?

Are you referring to automatic weaponry or the illegality of using it for hunting?

Americans who are not felons are in fact allowed to own and operate fully automatic weapons. All that is required is that the purchaser pass a federal background check and pay a $200 transfer stamp tax upon delivery of the device. As for not being allowed to use them to hunt, the Second Amendment says nothing about hunting. :nice:

Kadagar_AV

05-26-2010, 05:35

Are you referring to automatic weaponry or the illegality of using it for hunting?

Both.

A REAL MAN shoots game with RPGs, possibly to make up for... shortcomings.

Might not be much meat left, but makes a heck of a splash :)

PanzerJaeger

05-26-2010, 05:42

Please see my edit ^

Fragony

05-26-2010, 08:28

50cal sniper rifle...

When mere death just isn't good enough these things absolutely rip you to pieces. That, we are not allowed to have.

Kadagar_AV

05-26-2010, 09:49

I think the US army is the only one using it to shoot at people as (one of the) primary function(s).

Not saying it is a bad idea, just that it is overkill as other weapons could do that task better.

Main use in the Swedish army is killing APC drivers (cant promise I wont take pot-shots at the frogs jumping out, just that there usually is more prioritized targets), or rendering vehicles immobile.

But then, I am trained for 20sec contact before "tactical withdrawal" (run for your lives). The US army is usually there for the long haul as combat doctrine is to move the enemy line rather than work behind it.

Fragony

05-26-2010, 09:59

Our SF use Barrett's regular army modified FAL's

Kadagar_AV

05-26-2010, 10:47

Our SF use Barrett's regular army modified FAL's

you talk about their standard issue... This is not a light weapon (in fact, I had to carry it along with my AK-5 as the AG90 is pretty much a very heavy dead weight in the majority of combat situations). Your army also have the Barrett M82A1 (AG90), but it is mainly used to clear mines (by the engineers).

I was rather shocked when I saw a overweight chain smoking dutchman carry the sister of my baby. Same weapon, two very different uses :D