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YEEHAW! :beam:
I am gonna be studying Wing Tsun with Grandmaster Thommy Luke Boehlig next semester. :beam:
He will be coming down to Wisconsin and giving a 15 hour seminar!
It is not everyday that you study under a Grandmaster. ~;)
Centurion1
05-22-2010, 22:36
And I have my first boxing match in one week........ little worried
And I have my first boxing match in one week........ little worried
lol, good luck. ~;) Competition fighting can be stressful, but you will always do better if you relax before hand, and then go in trying to do the best possible (not necessarily winning). Of course that is coming from one amateur to another. ~;)
If anyone is in Wisconsin this September, PM me and I will give you more details on the seminar if you are interested in attending!
I have my first boxing match in one week
Brave Centurion, do you ever take some comfort there?
I am gonna be studying Wing Tsun with Grandmaster Thommy Luke Boehlig next semester
Vucky Vukster, you lead your men with knowledge gained thru this experience?
Anyway, congrats to both of you for your upcoming accomplishments, good luck to all!
Centurion1
05-23-2010, 02:13
Brave Centurion, do you ever take some comfort there?
huh?
thanks vuk! ive been working really hard (i have always wanted to box) and i think i have a prett good chance. not to sound conceited but i think i have strength and speed on my opponent but he is much more experienced than me.
the only martial arts ive ever taken is a couple of krav maga classes (vicious stuff). can i presume you do tae kwon do?
huh?
thanks vuk! ive been working really hard (i have always wanted to box) and i think i have a prett good chance. not to sound conceited but i think i have strength and speed on my opponent but he is much more experienced than me.
the only martial arts ive ever taken is a couple of krav maga classes (vicious stuff). can i presume you do tae kwon do?
Yeah, lol, Taekwondo, Taijiquan, Judo (only a tiny bit, but more next year), and Wing Tsun. I love TKD and the TKD community. I used to participate in lower level TKD tournaments a bit, but I really have mostly stopped that. Recently I have moved to Wing Tsun. Krav Maga is some really good stuff. I wanted to learn a fighting system that would be really practical on the street and help me with competition fighting instead of improvising from TKD and Taijiquan, so I tried Krav Maga, Judo, and Wing Tsun. I went with Wing Tsun, because I think it is the most effective. I studied it in Hungary (my instructor was the second highest ranking female martial artist in Europe), and my Si-Mei was the direct Disciple of Sigung Maday Norbert, who is a direct Disciple of Great Grandmaster Leung Ting. It is not a bad lineage at all, but I am going to be improving it this Autumn. ~;)
Good luck on your boxing match, and tell me how it goes!
Centurion1
05-23-2010, 04:53
I will.
Is wing tsun an absoring martial art with a lot of reaction moves like judo or a /more aggresive form?
Go for kickboxing for some street skills the rest is useless in a real fight, It's a sport first any experienced kickboxer will completely destroy an eastern style blackbelt. I'd be happy for you but since you want to have me executed ;)
I will.
Is wing tsun an absoring martial art with a lot of reaction moves like judo or a /more aggresive form?
Wing Tsun is one of/the most agressive martial arts there are. A fight in Wing Tsun is not supposed to go on for longer than two seconds. We focus on intercepting an enemies attack and brutally attacking their vital organs and critical joints to take them down in the shortest possible time. Wing Tsun is very simple, and most of the attacks go in a straight line, as they can always hit first.
Go for kickboxing for some street skills the rest is useless in a real fight, It's a sport first any experienced kickboxer will completely destroy an eastern style blackbelt. I'd be happy for you but since you want to have me executed ;)
lol Frags, you know I was joking about that, right? :P
Trust me, Wing Tsun is not a sport. If you practiced Wing Tsun as a sport, half the competitors would be dead in the first few minutes. :P Wing Tsun is a true martial art, and has no sports component. It is basically a scientific way of training your body and reactions to destroy a much stronger and even faster opponent in a very short time. Unlike other martial arts that emphasize one thing (grappling, striking, kicks, punches, throws, etc), Wing Tsun emphasizes winning a fight by using anything. All parts of a fight are covered in Wing Tsun.
Nah, I don't think that an experienced kickboxer would touch an experienced Wing Tsun-ist. ~;)
Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvK1pfyKtwg&playnext_from=TL&videos=c-6nBtioB0I) is a demo of Wing Tsun so that you can see what it is like. ~;)
They aren't even hitting each other most of the time, last hit is cool though I know it from jiu-jitsu and it works. Doing it that hard is just cruel hehe. But I would love to see him channeling a few proper low-kicks. Martial arts in general only works against martial arts.
Centurion1
05-23-2010, 14:57
To be honest I've been in a few fights and in the end no matter your striking thbey go to thwe ground. Imo you have to have a good strike game and ground game
Makes a difference, with (kick)boxing you get physical, you hit harder and can take more damage. It isn't even needed if you strike first, straight on chin = goodnight, brain can't handle that.
Centurion1
05-23-2010, 16:19
A single punch knockout is highly unlikely no matter what people say
They aren't even hitting each other most of the time, last hit is cool though I know it from jiu-jitsu and it works. Doing it that hard is just cruel hehe. But I would love to see him channeling a few proper low-kicks. Martial arts in general only works against martial arts.
lol, trust me, it works. ~;) In Wing Chun you use the legs to defend the lower half of your body and the arms to defend the upper portion. You would simply kick a low kick down and return with your own kick. Wing Tsun deals with ever possible (unarmed) attack type.
Strike For The South
05-24-2010, 03:28
Street fights are won by who is willing to get the most violent the quickest.
Gouing an eye or striking the throat and gentials works well
Azathoth
05-24-2010, 03:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y
Centurion1
05-24-2010, 03:51
Its true I've kicked bit gouged tore etc. I remember seeing a kid kicked in the throat once it wasn't pretty fights end very quickly
Street fights are won by who is willing to get the most violent the quickest.
Gouing an eye or striking the throat and gentials works well
lol, that is why 90% of hand strikes in Wing Tsun go to the throat and over 90% of leg techniques are aimed at the knees and groin. ~;) In Wing Tsun you wait for your enemy to initiate a fight, and then you intercept their attack and move in with your own, faster, more direct attack to their vitals and continue attacking until the person is no longer a threat.
"Street Fighting", like what all these phony videos and books teach you to do is basically just taking basic techniques from combat sports and applying them to vital areas while keeping yourself protected. What Wing Tsun is is a refined system that allows you to strike your opponents vitals while keeping your own protected. In one sense it is a sophisticated martial art, in another sense you could describe it as 'perfected street fighting'. Through training a Wing Tsunists reaction times are reduced to a fraction of that of the average person. You gain strength, speed, and most importantly, sensitivity. With sensitivity you turn your opponent's attacks astray and come in with your own.
Strike For The South
05-24-2010, 06:08
Fight are short, violent and brutish and usually one party is caught off gaurd
Combat sports are just that; sports and have very little application in the real world.
i don't mean to poop all over your thread but these martial arts matter little outside of training and compition
A single punch knockout is highly unlikely no matter what people say
There is reason boxers wear bits.
Centurion1
05-24-2010, 12:37
Even in professional boxing single knockouts to open a fight are very rare.
I don't know my dad knows judo and he can throw me around. (Not like I can use boxing or the like three krav maga moves I have)
Martial arts can be applicable if you actually delve deep into it and seperate the mysticism from the realistic moves I'm not a fan of Kung Fu and their high kicks think its bull I caught a kids leg once and threw him down, most people are way to inflexible and slow to do that with any And any form of wrestling will serve you well in fighting
Even in professional boxing single knockouts to open a fight are very rare.
I don't know my dad knows judo and he can throw me around. (Not like I can use boxing or the like three krav maga moves I have)
Martial arts can be applicable if you actually delve deep into it and seperate the mysticism from the realistic moves I'm not a fan of Kung Fu and their high kicks think its bull I caught a kids leg once and threw him down, most people are way to inflexible and slow to do that with any And any form of wrestling will serve you well in fighting
There are many, many styles of Kung Fu. Saying that you do not like Kung Fu is like saying "I don't like any fighting systems that came out of Europe!". That would mean Pankration, Fencing, Boxing, etc. There is actually a great variety of Kung Fu styles that differ very much from each other. An art like Taijiquan has almost no kicks at all, and none of them are high (at least in the style of it that I practice). Wing Tsun kicks for instance 90% of the time are aimed at the knees or the groin. They can hardly be considered 'high'. I think that people in many forms of Kung Fu (and in Budo martial arts) have a hard time distinguishing between practice and application. There is a lot that can be effectively applied.
Wrestling will not help you against a serious martial artist unless you augment it with something else. The way wrestling is practiced now adays makes it one of the most useless sports around when it comes to applying them to self-defense.
Fight are short, violent and brutish and usually one party is caught off gaurd
Combat sports are just that; sports and have very little application in the real world.
i don't mean to poop all over your thread but these martial arts matter little outside of training and compition
You are right, they are (or at least should be) short, they are violent, but they do not have to be brutish. If someone has some refinement of technique and physical training, then he will have the advantage. That is why martial arts are important.
I don't see why you keep referring to Wing Tsun as a combat sport. I have stated several times in this thread that it is not. If it were a sport, you would have no famous Wing Tsun competitors, because they would all kill each other in a very short amount of time. :P I will state it again for you: Wing Tsun is NOT a combat sport. It has no elements of a combat sport. It teaches you how to efficiently neutralize an opponent in the shortest amount of time. It is aggressive, and you close into your enemy as quickly as possible and finish them off with brutal techniques.
And you are wrong if you think that they are useless outside of training and competition. I have been attack several times since I started taking martial arts (once by someone quite a bit bigger than I), and I have been able to end the situation without causing serious harm to my attacker, and without getting hurt myself. Coincidently, one of the guys who attacked me would always go on about how martial arts were useless, and how he was an experienced street fighter and used to do wrestling and boxing. He attacked me I think to show me how useless Wing Tsun was. He ended up with a throbbing groin and a face that had taken twelve punches that, I think convinced him otherwise. And it was all over in about two seconds.
Sorry, but I have found out for myself first hand that martial arts do work...esp Wing Tsun. Most times it does not have to do with the martial art, but how it is applied and the person applying it.
Doing Wing Tsun will cut your reaction timing down so that you can respond to something in half the time it takes an opponent. Your speed, coordination, strength, and sensitivity will increase. Forgetting the technique, if for no other reason than for the physical benefits, Wing Tsun will give you a huge edge over your opponent. The average slow, weak, inept person at the bar will be shocked by your explosive attacks and will be taken down before they can react. I have seen Wing Tsun in action, and it works.
There is reason boxers wear bits.
Frag, when adrenaline is pumping, people can take a lot more than you would think. That is why you have to strike the throat where they cannot breath no matter how little pain they feel, and the knees so that they cannot pursue you or fight effectively.
Strike For The South
05-24-2010, 21:48
You are right, they are (or at least should be) short, they are violent, but they do not have to be brutish. If someone has some refinement of technique and physical training, then he will have the advantage. That is why martial arts are important.
I don't see why you keep referring to Wing Tsun as a combat sport. I have stated several times in this thread that it is not. If it were a sport, you would have no famous Wing Tsun competitors, because they would all kill each other in a very short amount of time. :P I will state it again for you: Wing Tsun is NOT a combat sport. It has no elements of a combat sport. It teaches you how to efficiently neutralize an opponent in the shortest amount of time. It is aggressive, and you close into your enemy as quickly as possible and finish them off with brutal techniques.
And you are wrong if you think that they are useless outside of training and competition. I have been attack several times since I started taking martial arts (once by someone quite a bit bigger than I), and I have been able to end the situation without causing serious harm to my attacker, and without getting hurt myself. Coincidently, one of the guys who attacked me would always go on about how martial arts were useless, and how he was an experienced street fighter and used to do wrestling and boxing. He attacked me I think to show me how useless Wing Tsun was. He ended up with a throbbing groin and a face that had taken twelve punches that, I think convinced him otherwise. And it was all over in about two seconds.
Sorry, but I have found out for myself first hand that martial arts do work...esp Wing Tsun. Most times it does not have to do with the martial art, but how it is applied and the person applying it.
Doing Wing Tsun will cut your reaction timing down so that you can respond to something in half the time it takes an opponent. Your speed, coordination, strength, and sensitivity will increase. Forgetting the technique, if for no other reason than for the physical benefits, Wing Tsun will give you a huge edge over your opponent. The average slow, weak, inept person at the bar will be shocked by your explosive attacks and will be taken down before they can react. I have seen Wing Tsun in action, and it works.
Well I am glad that it has worked for you thus far.
Crazed Rabbit
05-24-2010, 23:06
As it happens, I am going to Wisconsin in September. Or Chicago, at least, for a wedding. But I have relatives in Wisconsin, which, alas, means I likely won't have time to learn from the grandmaster.
lol, that is why 90% of hand strikes in Wing Tsun go to the throat and over 90% of leg techniques are aimed at the knees and groin. ~;) In Wing Tsun you wait for your enemy to initiate a fight, and then you intercept their attack and move in with your own, faster, more direct attack to their vitals and continue attacking until the person is no longer a threat.
"Street Fighting", like what all these phony videos and books teach you to do is basically just taking basic techniques from combat sports and applying them to vital areas while keeping yourself protected. What Wing Tsun is is a refined system that allows you to strike your opponents vitals while keeping your own protected. In one sense it is a sophisticated martial art, in another sense you could describe it as 'perfected street fighting'. Through training a Wing Tsunists reaction times are reduced to a fraction of that of the average person. You gain strength, speed, and most importantly, sensitivity. With sensitivity you turn your opponent's attacks astray and come in with your own.
I don't know, you might like Bas Rutten's video (http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-to-win-a-bar-fight/), which focuses on kicking the groin and smashing people's heads into things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y&feature=player_embedded#!
Bas takes true pleasure in ramming human heads into things, and his self defense system seems to center around entertaining his friends as he hospitalizes a foe. In at least half the bar fight scenarios, he’s the one who initiates the violence.
I’m not positive, but I think Bas Rutten has made the first self defense instructional video for the bad guy. Which is troubling news because it’s much, much better than the ones for the good guy. So I guess the only thing I’ve learned is that when a bar fight ever breaks out, you’re going to die. And if Bas Rutten ever breaks out, we’re all going to die.
Anyway, have fun!
CR
Megas Methuselah
05-24-2010, 23:14
Well I am glad that it has worked for you thus far.
Yes. But strike has gunz, see?
Centurion1
05-24-2010, 23:30
Yes see gun>martial arts unless you take the derivative of the martial art in whcih case you get shalin monk and it reverse however when you take the integral you actually end up with ninja which is greater than or equal to gun
As it happens, I am going to Wisconsin in September. Or Chicago, at least, for a wedding. But I have relatives in Wisconsin, which, alas, means I likely won't have time to learn from the grandmaster.
I don't know, you might like Bas Rutten's video (http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-to-win-a-bar-fight/), which focuses on kicking the groin and smashing people's heads into things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y&feature=player_embedded#!
Anyway, have fun!
CR
It is a shame that you will not be able to come. It would be fun to meet another Orgah.
I really don't like Bas Rutten's video. A lot of his techniques rely on being larger and stronger than the guy who he is fighting. What if you are not? Overall I was not impressed with his techniques, and I do not like the idea that he is encouraging people to attack and maim others. A guy like Bas Rutten gets by because he is bigger and stronger than most other people. If he was not, he would get his arse whooped. If a technique cannot be effectively used against someone who weighs 100 lbs. more than you, then I do not think that it is a good technique. Not all of it was bad, but even what was good was not as good as it could have been.
Too bad that you cannot come to the seminar, then you could see how effective Wing Tsun is. Some one like Rutten would get seriously killed (:P) by a skilled Wing Tsun practician half his size.
I inadvertantly upset a martial artist in the gym one time (don't remember how). There was a photograph of him doing a split between two folding chairs. Needless to say, I just walked away (very slowly). He was a little guy too but I had respect for what he probably could have done to me if I had challenged him.
Frag, when adrenaline is pumping, people can take a lot more than you would think. That is why you have to strike the throat where they cannot breath no matter how little pain they feel, and the knees so that they cannot pursue you or fight effectively.
I am a big fan of the strike first policy. Trick is to slap back the jaw. Won't work with a bit though. Other good one is upward palm between lower and upper chest muscles, watch them fly great fun! I am from the countryside by the way drunken barfights was all the fun we had ;)
Azathoth
05-25-2010, 22:29
As it happens, I am going to Wisconsin in September. Or Chicago, at least, for a wedding. But I have relatives in Wisconsin, which, alas, means I likely won't have time to learn from the grandmaster.
I don't know, you might like Bas Rutten's video (http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-to-win-a-bar-fight/), which focuses on kicking the groin and smashing people's heads into things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y&feature=player_embedded#!
Anyway, have fun!
CR
It is a shame that you will not be able to come. It would be fun to meet another Orgah.
I really don't like Bas Rutten's video. A lot of his techniques rely on being larger and stronger than the guy who he is fighting. What if you are not? Overall I was not impressed with his techniques, and I do not like the idea that he is encouraging people to attack and maim others. A guy like Bas Rutten gets by because he is bigger and stronger than most other people. If he was not, he would get his arse whooped. If a technique cannot be effectively used against someone who weighs 100 lbs. more than you, then I do not think that it is a good technique. Not all of it was bad, but even what was good was not as good as it could have been.
Too bad that you cannot come to the seminar, then you could see how effective Wing Tsun is. Some one like Rutten would get seriously killed (:P) by a skilled Wing Tsun practician half his size.
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
Why?
Kagemusha
05-26-2010, 08:43
Why?
You know much martial artist and mixed martial artist history of Mr.Rutten? You are saying that run of a mil Wing Tsun practitioner would take out this guy with black belt in Taekwando,Karate, successful Thai and Kickboxer+ One of the legends in mixed martial arts scene. I doubt it could be done just like that. Otherwise i would expect that Wing Tsun practitioners would be dominating the MMA scene, which is not the case.
You know much martial artist and mixed martial artist history of Mr.Rutten? You are saying that run of a mil Wing Tsun practitioner would take out this guy with black belt in Taekwando,Karate, successful Thai and Kickboxer+ One of the legends in mixed martial arts scene. I doubt it could be done just like that. Otherwise i would expect that Wing Tsun practitioners would be dominating the MMA scene, which is not the case.
lol, yes, I do know his history. 5th Dan in Karate and 2nd Dan in TKD I believe. As I said though, it seems that he is relying more on force than technique. Look at his groin kicks for instance. They are outrageously slow (slower than the average TKDist where I study), barely chambered, he leans back when he does them, and he throws his guard down. I don't know how much (if any) is due to his injuries, but surely he could not throw his hands down at his sides. I don't know how good he used to be, but I am judging by his 'bar fighting' advice and technique.
And there is nothing 'run of the mill' about a WT practician. A practician is someone at master level who learns for themselves rather than to teach. It takes a LOT more to reach instructor level as a WTist than to get a black belt in most karate or TKD schools. (same can be said for most Chinese martial arts.
I never said that a WTist would beat him in MMA, I said in a bar fight. In the types of life or death scenarios that he is describing. If he used techniques like those, he would most certainly end up dead on the ground in a very short amount of time.
Even forgetting technique and just looking at speed, judging by a few videos of Rutten fighting that I have seen, he can get just about two punches a second into his opponent at his fastest. Any WT Practician would be able to get seven punches a second. Also, Rutten (even in his bar fighting video) loves to aim his punches at the face and the torso, while a Wing Tsunist would strike him in the throat...seven times each second. Also, a Wing Tsunist would coordinate his leg attacks with his arm attacks, something Rutten is unfamiliar with, so he would have to be defending against kicks the same time as punches.
Add technique in to speed, target, and strategy, and you have a no-win situation for Mr. Rutten. :P
EDIT: and even forgetting whether or not a skilled WT master could defeat Mr. Rutten, his techniques still do not work if you are not twice the size of your opponent! Therefore it is not good street fighting advice!
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