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a completely inoffensive name
05-24-2010, 08:24
The series finale to LOST was beautiful. Just wanted to make a post here honoring a TV show I've invested a third of my life into. I'm even more emotional then the series finale of Monk right now.
LOST interest when I learned they had no idea where the story was heading. So they did it afterall, might try again halfway into season 2 and 3 is on the shelve.
Rhyfelwyr
05-24-2010, 13:03
I'm even more emotional then the series finale of Monk right now.
DO NOT TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS! Just going to get series 7 on DVD any day now...
Reverend Joe
05-24-2010, 14:18
The series finale to LOST was beautiful. Just wanted to make a post here honoring a TV show I've invested a third of my life into. I'm even more emotional then the series finale of Monk right now.
No. It was not beautiful. It sucked ass. It felt like being the unwilling recipient of a Christian bukkake session.
Allow me to explain myself further:
LOST was an extremely philosophically complex show. Good versus evil was always a vague concept, if it existed at all. Okay, so it got completely ridiculous and out there beyond the ability to suspend belief, but it was a character-driven show that defied the flat concepts of good versus evil, forcing us to question who was right and wrong. What's more, it was all about unanswered questions; not just about the mysteries of the island, but about human decision. Unfortunately, introducing the Jacob-versus-the MIB fight totally destroyed this very real, human balance and forced a bull**** good-versus-evil debate over the entire thing. I kept holding out hope that the black-and-white crap they were pushing would turn out to be much more unclear than they were letting on, but in the end the writers took a giant Cleveland Steamer on my brain and made Jack into a Jesus character.
Oh, and the ending, where everyone turns out to be dead? That was a giant load of crap. It was a DREAM SEQUENCE. It DIDN'T MATTER AT ALL. They were dead and living in some kind of fantasy-land before moving on. It was a giant, dumbassed red herring.
See, I don't have that much of a problem with Christianity if that's your life choice, but you have to admit it makes for the world's worst plot basis. It makes sure that your characters, stories and endings are so painfully predictable that the whole story can be mapped out as soon as you have been introduced to the characters and premise. Trying to pull off a realistic story and then destroying it with such an overplayed story is even worse, because you trick everyone into watching what seems to be a good story and then let them down by revealing a painful lack of creativity.
There was SO much more that could have been done with the last two seasons and the ending. At the very least, the Island should have been destroyed in the end, thus bringing the flash-sideways into reality. Hell, that's what I was sure would happen: the Island would be removed from reality, and its hold over all of their lives and the world throughout history would have been broken. In the end, everyone would have been left to wonder if it was better or worse that the Island ever existed, and what its purpose ever was. That, to me, would be a far better conclusion.
ICantSpellDawg
05-24-2010, 14:40
The finale sucked. The whole thing was meaningless, while entertaining. They would have done much better to simply confound the ending and have the end become more bungling than that beggining.
Vladimir
05-24-2010, 17:54
So I take it the finale was an hour long? I cried for an entire episode once; that's when I stopped watching it.
been hearing about this crap for 2 weeks.....nobody cares...move along please.
Scienter
05-24-2010, 19:48
been hearing about this crap for 2 weeks.....nobody cares...move along please.
I'd rather hear about Lost than American Idol or Celebrity Apprentice! :laugh4:
I was a little disappointed in the finale because it didn't tie up all the loose ends. But, as a finale for a character driven show (rather than one centered on the mysteries of the Island), it was enjoyable. Although parts of it disappointed me, it didn't retroactively ruin the show for me. Without getting into spoilers, parts of it were really touching, especially the last scene. I'll miss Lost, but have high hopes for J. J. Abrams' other show, Fringe, which I've been enjoying a great deal.
LeftEyeNine
05-24-2010, 20:42
Well I don't understand what people were expecting out of a finale.
Some white-bearded wise man will land from the heavens and tell about every other mystery unsolved ? Well, if there is an island there, then the storytellers wanted to tell about an island. Same goes for all other complaints about mysteries being left unanswered. It was the progress that mattered, science-fiction does not necessarily have to abide by science where you need to have results to call it so. What would you make out of fiction then ?
I was still at the university when this show had kicked off and I doubt I'll ever be able to forget Jack's face as he sees the Ajira plane in the air and him closing eyes to his death, opposed to how it all started in the very beginning.
By the way, the show was planned for 5 seasons and the forced enlengthening by ABC due to unparallelled rating it whopped must have contributed into the flaws of Lost here and there.
Namaste.
GeneralHankerchief
05-24-2010, 20:50
Spoilered thoughts.
As someone who's invested six full years of his time in the show and has been watching from the beginning, I loved the ending. Well, up until the final ten minutes anyway. The sideways timeline was beautiful in the finale episode and it looked to me, as with Reverend Joe, that it was going to be a seamless transition from the island timeline into the sideways one; where the castaways would receive the best of both worlds. Their lives would be the good ones they built for themselves in the sideways timeline, while they would still have their island memories and relationships.
Then the last ten minutes happened and the dad had to come out and do some sort of quasi-Field of Dreams moment with the stained glass window in the background that made me think I was playing Civ IV for a minute or two. Overly complicated when there was such a perfect resolution right there to be had.
So yeah, my thoughts are somewhat on the same level as the Reverend, but it didn't ruin it as much for me. I had made my piece beforehand and came to the conclusion that it was the journey, and not the destination, that ultimately mattered. While this was of course the case, I was still ultimately satisfied with the ending.
Well, at least now we know why kids conceived on the island didn't survive.
LeftEyeNine
05-24-2010, 21:44
Well, at least now we know why kids conceived on the island didn't survive.
Share.
Share.
It has Backroom-inducing material, but since it's just a fictional TV series...
Aaron and Ji Yeon were conceived before the Oceanic flight. If we are to believe that the whole island experience is a form of Purgatory, then their "souls" are part of that experience since they were present on the plane. A new "soul" could not be created in this purgatory, so conceptions on the island would fail to come to term.
LeftEyeNine
05-24-2010, 22:55
Well, despite still being unable to reveal about why kids conceived on the island could not survive, I guess there is a misunderstanding...
...about the Purgatory/Afterlife Warmup/Time-Free Zone/Whatever.
Flashsideways were the only part that Purgatory was depicted. Whatever happened on the island, back at home and back to the island again and in the parallel realities happened indeed.
What Flashsideways were the part right after Jack died/closed his eyes (noticed the worn tennis shoes -takes almost a quarter of the shot- as he stumbles back into the bamboos ?). It was the unified creation of the Losties where they could feel as best as they can. Jack had a son, Charlie could play on, Claire could have her baby, Locke could walk, Jin and Sun were free of their fears and together, Sawyer was not an outlaw -actually the opposite, Sayid could love what was lost to him and so on.
As senior Shephard said, "some before, some long after you" died. His implication of the non-Flashsideways experiences being real is further supported by Hurley claiming Ben to be the best #2 -remember him asking for Ben's help right after the moment "he was like John"-
Therefore I couldn't take your assumption about the children to be factful.
GeneralHankerchief
05-24-2010, 23:11
LEN/drone debate:
I agree with LEN on this point. It seemed like the writers - to me anyway - hammered home the point that everything that happened on the island was real last night.
As for the conception issue, my best guess is that it had something to do with the side effects of The Incident.
Centurion1
05-25-2010, 02:33
far to much legitimate debate about lost.......... go outside all of you.
Hosakawa Tito
05-25-2010, 03:42
Soap operas can be so emotionally draining.
a completely inoffensive name
05-25-2010, 06:31
No. It was not beautiful. It sucked ass. It felt like being the unwilling recipient of a Christian bukkake session.
Allow me to explain myself further:
LOST was an extremely philosophically complex show. Good versus evil was always a vague concept, if it existed at all. Okay, so it got completely ridiculous and out there beyond the ability to suspend belief, but it was a character-driven show that defied the flat concepts of good versus evil, forcing us to question who was right and wrong. What's more, it was all about unanswered questions; not just about the mysteries of the island, but about human decision. Unfortunately, introducing the Jacob-versus-the MIB fight totally destroyed this very real, human balance and forced a bull**** good-versus-evil debate over the entire thing. I kept holding out hope that the black-and-white crap they were pushing would turn out to be much more unclear than they were letting on, but in the end the writers took a giant Cleveland Steamer on my brain and made Jack into a Jesus character.
Oh, and the ending, where everyone turns out to be dead? That was a giant load of crap. It was a DREAM SEQUENCE. It DIDN'T MATTER AT ALL. They were dead and living in some kind of fantasy-land before moving on. It was a giant, dumbassed red herring.
See, I don't have that much of a problem with Christianity if that's your life choice, but you have to admit it makes for the world's worst plot basis. It makes sure that your characters, stories and endings are so painfully predictable that the whole story can be mapped out as soon as you have been introduced to the characters and premise. Trying to pull off a realistic story and then destroying it with such an overplayed story is even worse, because you trick everyone into watching what seems to be a good story and then let them down by revealing a painful lack of creativity.
There was SO much more that could have been done with the last two seasons and the ending. At the very least, the Island should have been destroyed in the end, thus bringing the flash-sideways into reality. Hell, that's what I was sure would happen: the Island would be removed from reality, and its hold over all of their lives and the world throughout history would have been broken. In the end, everyone would have been left to wonder if it was better or worse that the Island ever existed, and what its purpose ever was. That, to me, would be a far better conclusion.
Haters gonna hate. But all kidding aside, I disagree with what you said:
The Jacob and MiB debate/battle was still shrouded in gray. The MiB was seen to not be a manifestation of evil completely but simply a man who wanted off the island so bad he began to do terrible things to people to get that goal. Jacob was essentially holding this man against his wish and he directly caused the creation of the smoke monster. You never even knew if Jacob or the MiB was right about the island until the final episode when Desmond puts it to the test. When you find out Jacob and MiB's backstory, I don't think you can say at all that the fight was at all black or white.
In regards to the dream sequence, I think you misunderstood it. I mattered completely because it was the reunion of the characters in purgatory who impacted the world and each other after they had all died and broken apart at different time during and after their time on the island. It was very touching and it was what told us outright and the events we watched were real and not fake like the alternate universe turned out to be. Although I dont even think you can call the alternate universe fake, because it was a construct built by each other characters to finally fulfill their ambitions and hopes before they moved with the people most important in their lives.
Hosakawa Tito
05-25-2010, 14:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DShnvNNv0&feature=player_embedded
Zradha Pahlavan
05-25-2010, 16:52
I turned on the t.v. once and flipped around randomly, and I came to a senseless and confusing show in which (apparently) a man summoned up a magical giant flying dust worm to kill a bunch of army-style guys who shot his daughter for no clear reason.
Turned out that that was "Lost".
A Very Super Market
05-26-2010, 03:22
So... it was purgatory? That's what reading the wiki article got me. That theory which was hanging around for so many years? I suppose if I had followed the series, the ending would indeed be beautiful, but it seems like everything about Lost is incomprehensible if you haven't watched it from beginning to end. Just how is one expected to trudge through that?
LeftEyeNine
05-26-2010, 17:42
No, it wasn't Purgatory, AVSM.
Vladimir
05-28-2010, 12:44
For all you crybabies, hope remains: http://www.theonion.com/articles/lost-possibly-still-airing-in-parallel-dimension-d,17485/
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