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mlc82
05-30-2010, 01:17
Spent most of my day playing EB and figured my fellow EB fans might enjoy this, it's a quick excerpt from my Roman campaign with two major characters, and goes over how you can use in-game "cheats" to help the otherwise hopeless AI out, and make the game more challenging and fun. I'll expand on this later and continue with "Cotta's" story.



Italy, 240BC:
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/War.jpg
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Gallicraid.jpg

An invasion of the Gallic tribes in the north has given an up and coming young Roman the chance to prove himself in battle, and set the stage for what will hopefully be a long and illustrious career. Young Gnaeus Papirius Cotta (not sure how he got the Cursor title) is leading his first campaign with a legion of his own, to repel the gallic raids and press on to the town of Patavium to burn it to the ground in response.

https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Gnaeus.jpg

Along the way, gallic refugees, terrified of the fate their families will face from Roman retribution, agree to accompany the Romans to battle in exchange for safe passage and settlement of their families in nearby Segesta. Such is agreed, on the condition that the Gallic warriors will be first through the gate, to prevent any possible treachery on their part!

https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Gaulcharge.jpg

Young Cotta's campaign is a success, the town of Patavium lights the night sky, it's men dead, and women and children carried off in chains to the slave markets. True to his word, Cotta allows his Gallic defectors to loot the town and take as much as they can carry, then settle in Segesta with their families, a great deal richer than before. Such ways of creating loyalty in men were learned by Cotta from the great Lucius Cornelius Scipio, who is about to embark on his greatest (and possibly final) conquest to date, at 60 years old.

https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/scipio.jpg

Much to Scipio's benefit, information has surfaced that the city of Syracuse was likely behind the gallic attack on the Republic. The plan, according to Scipio's agents, who conveniently discovered documents confirming everything, was for the Gauls to form a much larger force than they actually cared to do, then raid and plunder their way through the northern cities of the Republic, inevitably attracting the attention of the legions and drawing them up to the north. At this time, with the island of Sicily lightly defended, an invasion force from Carthage would land at the west end of Sicily, retake Lilibeo and Messana, then converge with the quietly built up Syracusan army and press north into Italy.

That the Carthaginian diplomat being interrogated only confessed to the above as his eyes were being put out didn't seem to raise any questions to Scipio's own agents, nor to his fiercely loyal legions. In fact, when the call for the legions went out through the republic, many of Scipio's old veterans, equipped with their now out of service phalanx-style Triarii kits, came out of retirement and pressed upon their general to take them along. This he did. Some were nearly ancient, but they hadn't forgotten the skills of battle begun in their youth and perfected through middle-age, and for many, marching in their accompanying lines of Hastati and Principes was a beloved son, son in law, or nephew. These men would fight like beasts, one last battle before those who came back would return to retirement for good, and a great deal richer. (note them as the left over Camillan era Triarii unit next to Scipio's portrait in the army stack!)

Moving in to besiege Syracuse with Scipio's legions and the horde of allied troops he's conscripted along the way, we see one of the biggest disappointments in the TW games since the 3D map of Rome... Anticlimactic city battles (and this one is actually very well defended for the AI). According to the scroll shown, Syracuse has 14,200 people within it. Apparently only about 1,500 of those folks are concerned that an an enemy army has arrived, bent on looting their city, raping their wives, and enslaving their children... One would think that everyone of age enough to grab rocks, sticks, and rooftiles would be out in desperation, fighting to the death to prevent their cities' capture

https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/syracusebefore.jpg

We can't exactly bring out the rooftile-slinging citizens (Pyrrhus would be relieved), but we CAN do this:

Using the "create_unit" cheat, I'm going to fill Syracuse to the brim with soldiers. A nice assortment of more syracusan hoplites, peltasts, and a whole bunch of skirmishers to represent non-military folks throwing every heavy object they can find on the heads of their attackers.

https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/syracuseafter1.jpg
and scrolled down to see the peltasts...
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Syracuseafter2.jpg

This looks much more exciting now doesn't it? Needless to say, this one is going to be bloody...



Part 2- Battle of Syracuse coming soon!

jirisys
05-30-2010, 02:29
We can't exactly bring out the rooftile-slinging citizens (Pyrrhus would be relieved)

LOOOOL!!!!!!!!!! :laugh2::laugh::laugh3:

~Jirisys (ROFL)

mlc82
05-30-2010, 03:11
The Battle of Syracuse:


Scipio's veterans stand with their general.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Scipioandvets.jpg
Defenders of Syracuse prepare to fight for every inch of wall.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Walldefense.jpg
Allied Samnites approach the wall under a hail of javelins, arrows, and stones.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Samnitesapproach.jpg
Velites in loose order rush up to distract the wall defenders, both to run them out of ammo and throw some pain back at them.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/velites.jpg
Samnites fighting to take the wall from syracusan peltasts
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/samnitesassault.jpg
Scipio's veterans rush in to assault the wall as the Samnites are slowly cut down
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/scipiosvetstowall.jpg
Allied classical hoplites and allied Bruttian hastati assault the main gate as the wall battle rages on
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/gateassault1.jpg
Scipio's vets and form an unbreachable phalanx, becoming a spearwall of stabbing death.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/vetsformonwall.jpg
Elite Samnite (Pedites Extraordinarii) gaining some ground on the other side of the gate
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/pediteswall.jpg
Gate assaulting hoplites and allied hastati are flanked as (not pictured) levy hoplites and skirmishers rush through the now sapped wall at the far west end of the city, are met by Syracusan Thureophoroi and Syracusan hoplites.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/hoplitesdoomed.jpg
Pedites Extraordinarii take a break from slaughtering rock-throwing youths to unleash a hail of javelins on Syracusan Hoplites below.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/peditesthrow.jpg
Angry old men armored like tanks have secured a hold on the wall and are now stabbing to death everyone else in sight.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/vetskillall.jpg
Enemy cavalry and spearmen are swept back from the gates, allied peltasts rush in and start firing away into the backs of the Syracusan hoplites locked in combat with allied levy hoplites.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/peltastsrear.jpg
And are attacked from behind by more enemy hoplites!
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/peltastshitrear.jpg
Pedites Extraordinarii rush down from wall to save peltasts, (soon to happen in pic) hack hoplites to pieces.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/peditessavepeltasts.jpg
After killing everyone on their wall, Scipio's veterans join him at the now captured Syracusan gate.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/scipiowvetsingate.jpg
Romans slash and stab their way through the remnants of wall defenders, and prepare for the final assault on the city center, guarded by two remaining syracusan hoplite units. Scipio's Triarii prepare for the last assault they will make before retiring, some have sons and nephews in the maniple of Hastati in front of them.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/finalassault.jpg
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/citycenterdefenders.jpg
Hastati and Triarii envelop the enemy, a long and bloody attrition battle begins. Hastati are taking some nasty losses, Triarii and enemy hoplites are mainly just denting each other's armor.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/envelop.jpg
Second unit of Hastati rushes in behind the battle, and lets loose a volley of pila into the less armored backs of the Syracusans, causing considerable carnage.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/pila-1.jpg
Then they charge. The Syracusans are pressed so tightly together that their spears become ineffective, and the Hastati with their short swords make quick work of the now helpless enemy.
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/crush.jpg
Scipio has fulfilled his long-time ambition of conquering Syracuse, himself and his army becoming obscenely rich in the process. Of Scipio's veteran Triarii, 10 men are killed with another 15 wounded, after almost single-handedly taking a wall, then fighting to exhaustion in the city center. Their retirement has been more than well earned!
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/Victrix.jpg
http://www.sbceo.k12.ca.us/~vms/carlton/Rome/spqr.jpg
https://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy108/mikul82/wealth.jpg


More to come about the further career of Gnaeus Cotta, and how to get the AI to invade the mainland of Italy (or anywhere else they're too dumb to sail an army to)!

mlc82
05-30-2010, 03:11
LOOOOL!!!!!!!!!! :laugh2::laugh::laugh3:

~Jirisys (ROFL)

I figured some fellow ancient history nerds would catch that reference and laugh :)

mlc82
05-30-2010, 03:13
For the above, the "create unit" cheat works like this:

bring up the console (tilde key)

type in :

create_unit cityname "unit name"

Capitalize the city name, and quotes before the unit name! You can add numbers after to beef up the unit's stats, make them more experienced, etc, but I'm not sure how that works and don't bother to.

IE if you're playing EB, ready for a big, bloody siege of Rome as Carthage, and get to the city to realize that the AI thought just leaving it's faction leader with some slingers would be a fine idea, nevermind having plenty of time to build a defensive army as your fullstack army is pillaging up through Italy, you just type:

create_unit Roma "roman infantry principes"
create_unit Roma "roman infantry hastati"
etc over and over to fill it with units, though you'll need to use the unit names found in the export_desc_units text file in the data folder!

mlc82
05-30-2010, 03:14
The Carthaginian invasion idea just can't be done for now, they're too embroiled in a war against the Lusotannan to send any great armies my way.

Here's the new situation- the north has been pacified for now, gallic raids are constant but no major armies to deal with (alliance with the germanic Sweboz tribe has helped). Across the sea, the Macedonian kingdom has driven Epeiros out and is becoming a major power in the area. Against them are a defensive alliance of Greek city-states, the Koinon Hellenon, consisting of Athens, Sparta, Corinth, and Demetrios. Roman trade is being severely disrupted by the non-stop warring in Greece, and Roman traders in Greece are being killed and looted on a daily basis in the chaos- the SPQR cannot let such things go.

Do we:

a. Invade the Peloponnese and bring the Koinon Hellenon alliance under Roman rule, as the powerful kingdom of Macedon will make a much better and more stable trade ally than a loose "alliance" of effeminate Greeks who only stop in-fighting and get along when some larger enemy comes and attacks them. The coffers of the SPQR, Roman infrastructure, and individual Roman tradesmen will benefit greatly from such an intervention.

b. Realize that every half-wit Macedonian aristocrat dreams himself to be the next Alexander , and such men make dangerous neighbors. The likelihood of a Roman-Macedonian alliance lasting longer than a week is next to none, as those drunken hillbilly Macedonians will be crawling (and vomiting) over each other to follow in their ancestors' footsteps and attempt to defeat the SPQR as Alexander did the Persians. A loose confederation of city-states who rarely get along will make for much easier to manage neighbors.

What does the Senate think?

(unfortunately I'm way too impatient and hooked on this game, went ahead and picked one without waiting for a response soon after writing this :-P )


Edit: I originally posted this on a different forum to generate some interest for EB, so if any blatantly obvious descriptions arise (such as the Koinon Hellenon description), that's why.

Unintended BM
06-01-2010, 00:13
I like this thread. Good work.

mlc82
06-01-2010, 21:11
Thanks! Will add more to it when I get a good chance.

mlc82
06-17-2010, 23:08
Sorry for the delays, my last game went a little nuts... re-working on it, about halfway to the point I was in a new campaign, still going to continue some stuff but it might be a little while. I plan to get in plenty of play time this weekend so hopefully not too long!